Why GNR covered C. Manson ?

[Freya]

Marilyn wishes he could create the controversies that Axl has.  So what if he told him about the album?  He doesn't own the rights to it.  

Marilyn was mad that Axl wasn't defending Manson when he did the song.  He was asked what would he do if Manson were released and he said he would take him in and try and help him.  Just ridiculous stuff.  As for covering OIAM, whatever, he'll never do it, he's all talk.  

[Falcon]

Marilyn wishes he could create the controversies that Axl has.    

You're kidding , right?

Not saying it's a good thing by any means, but the scope of Manson's controversies casts a shadow far more reaching than any rock star of the past 25 years..

It's not even close.

[Booker Floyd]

Marilyn wishes he could create the controversies that Axl has.    

You're kidding , right?

Not saying it's a good thing by any means, but the scope of Manson's controversies casts a shadow far more reaching than any rock star of the past 25 years..

It's not even close.

Really...

Not only that, but Mansons probably a little more satisfied with being the ire of the religious rights hatred than being viewed as an ignorant racist.

[Freya]

You're kidding , right?

Not saying it's a good thing by any means, but the scope of Manson's controversies casts a shadow far more reaching than any rock star of the past 25 years..

It's not even close.

No, I'm not.  Marilyn's done a few shocking, visual things, that were very carefully calculated.  Marilyn always reminds me of "Revenge of the Nerds", he's an attention whore.  The shit that Axl caused (which I'm not saying is good either) he did without even trying.  Axl is always be more famous than Manson in that respect.  You're right, it's not even close.  

Not only that, but Mansons probably a little more satisfied with being the ire of the religious rights hatred than being viewed as an ignorant racist.

The only reason he would want to cover OIAM is for attention.  Period.  He said Axl didn't defend his viewpoints in the song, lol, I'd really like to hear how Manson would defend it.  Anyway, he'll never do it.  Marilyn likes to pretend he's this anti-Christ, but he's quite tame, he's no G.G. Allin, he's not going to eat his own feces for the sake of controversy.  lol

[Falcon]

You're kidding , right?

Not saying it's a good thing by any means, but the scope of Manson's controversies casts a shadow far more reaching than any rock star of the past 25 years..

It's not even close.

No, I'm not.  Marilyn's done a few shocking, visual things, that were very carefully calculated.  Marilyn always reminds me of "Revenge of the Nerds", he's an attention whore.  The shit that Axl caused (which I'm not saying is good either) he did without even trying.  Axl is always be more famous than Manson in that respect.  You're right, it's not even close.  

Not only that, but Mansons probably a little more satisfied with being the ire of the religious rights hatred than being viewed as an ignorant racist.

The only reason he would want to cover OIAM is for attention.  Period.  

I'm in absolute disagreement.

Manson has been under fire from every religious group known to man, had concerts cancelled do to public and political outcry, sued for putting his genetalia on a security guards head and inadvertantly blamed for inspiring the Columbine shootings.  Again these aren't good things by any stretch of the imagination, but far more contervesial than putting a questionable song on a record and having a hand in a riot or two..

[Freya]

I'm in absolute disagreement.

Manson has been under fire from every religious group known to man, had concerts cancelled do to public and political outcry, sued for putting his genetalia on a security guards head and inadvertantly blamed for inspiring the Columbine shootings

Well, I guess we'll just have to disagree then.  Being accused of Satanism by religious groups is old hat.  Ozzy, Alice, Judas Priest and a host of others dealt with that years ago.  And pulling out his unit?  Not unheard of.  I don't hate Marilyn, he's okay, but he's hardly a revolutionary.  Neither is Axl, but his "events" were unplanned and more well-known.  Has Marilyn ever pushed a grand piano out a window?

[Falcon]

I'm in absolute disagreement.

Manson has been under fire from every religious group known to man, had concerts cancelled do to public and political outcry, sued for putting his genetalia on a security guards head and inadvertantly blamed for inspiring the Columbine shootings

Well, I guess we'll just have to disagree then.  Being accused of Satanism by religious groups is old hat.  Ozzy, Alice, Judas Priest and a host of others dealt with that years ago.  And pulling out his unit?  Not unheard of.  I don't hate Marilyn, he's okay, but he's hardly a revolutionary.  Neither is Axl, but his "events" were unplanned and more well-known.  Has Marilyn ever pushed a grand piano out a window?

No problem with disagreeing, it's an interesting comparison for sure.

Not sure about Manson and a grand piano, I'm sure he's had his rock star moments nonetheless.  Read his book if you get a chance, it's a great read.

I know this for sure, neither Axl nor Manson has came close to the Zeppelin mudshark incident...

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Being accused of Satanism by religious groups is old hat.  Ozzy, Alice, Judas Priest and a host of others dealt with that years ago.  

This is true.  Moreover being accused of Satanism is really not as 'taboo' as being accused of racism.  How many major artists have done the Satanistic thing in form or another?  Quite a few.  How many major artists have released a song dissing immigrants and niggers?  erm... besides Axl, I cant think of another.  Someone help me out.

Another issue is that Columbine brought attention to MManson - it heightened his sense of shock.  Axl didnt need a Columbine to do that - his songs & antics alone were enough to cause controversy.

Finally, in the mid 90's I personally saw MManson as something of a gimmick.  That has changed since then.  He has become more of an artist and less of a shock rocker.  With regards to causing controversy, being gimmicky has less impact than being in the biggest band on the planet.

[Falcon]

Being accused of Satanism by religious groups is old hat.  Ozzy, Alice, Judas Priest and a host of others dealt with that years ago.  

This is true.  Moreover being accused of Satanism is really not as 'taboo' as being accused of racism.  How many major artists have done the Satanistic thing in form or another?  Quite a few.  How many major artists have released a song dissing immigrants and niggers?  erm... besides Axl, I cant think of another.  Someone help me out.

Another issue is that Columbine brought attention to MManson - it heightened his sense of shock.  Axl didnt need a Columbine to do that - his songs & antics alone were enough to cause controversy.

Finally, in the mid 90's I personally saw MManson as something of a gimmick.  That has changed since then.  He has become more of an artist and less of a shock rocker.  With regards to causing controversy, being gimmicky has less impact than being in the biggest band on the planet.

Riots at concerts and questionable song content/inclusion is old hat as well.  Nothing new by any means.

As far as controversy goes, calculated or spontaneous events
have no relevence in regards to impact.  That's like saying a
premeditated crime has less impact than a a crime of passion.

Both suck equally.

[Freya]

Riots at concerts and questionable song content/inclusion is old hat as well.  Nothing new by any means.

Well, who else causes riots on such a grand scale?  And questionable song content is one thing, but OIAM was truly shocking.  Everyone talks about rock songs offending the extreme right, when no one takes them seriously anyway.  OIAM offended the right, left and middle to boot.

As far as controversy goes, calculated or spontaneous events
have no relevence in regards to impact.  That's like saying a
premeditated crime has less impact than a a crime of passion.

It is different, malice aforethought can be more cruel.  Anyway, what is says to me is that Axl is a loose cannon, unpredictable, Marilyn is not.  The things that Axl did were to the detriment of his own career, financial status, public image, everything.  Marilyn is a savvy performance artist, he wants to push the envelope, but not too much.  There is no difference between Axl and his public persona, whereas Marilyn is putting on a show.

I know this for sure, neither Axl nor Manson has came close to the Zeppelin mudshark incident...

True, hard to beat.  I might read Marilyn's book, I'm sure it's interesting.  

[Jizzo]

Well if Manson does get any royalties, I hope he enjoys whatever percent of the 6 bucks I gave Best Buy today for a replacement copy of TSI.

[Scottyl333]

Does anyone have a CD that doesnt have One In A million on it or the Charles Manson song.  I know I heard a couple of years ago that they were going to stop putting those songs on it but I got a Lies CD a couple of years ago and it  still had One In A Million on it.  I doubt he would take that song off because that basically made the CD.  So does anyone know?

[Rachel]

I think that Guns and Roses should do anything they want but doing a Charles Manson song was a bad move.i once read in my ex's Marilyn Manson book that Marilyn was pissed becasue Axl wanted to record a Charles Manson song.He claimed that Axl shouldnt do it becasue he didnt know fuck all about Cahrles Manson.but then a while later Marilyn himself came out wiv a Charles Manson song and wot the fuck does he know about Charles?He has sum fucking cheek! :rant:but i do think that Guns and Roses should just write thier own stuff and not record a retarded,stupid fuckers song...

[AxlRoseVen]

Axl just covered that song to get more controversy n' fame, that's it! 

[mrlee]

It was Marilyn Manson that turned Axl onto Charles Manson and suggested he listen to his stuff.

The song is absolute shite and the guy is just a fucked up old man.

wow, mm and axl know each other?

[Mama Kin]

Manson wouldn't even exist if everybody who came before him, didn't do it all before. Lenny Bruce (who allowed everyone to say something on stage), Alice (Godfather of Shock Rock, everyone ows Alice a debt), Ozzy, Judas Preist...all of whom were mentioned.

All the rumors you hear about what Manson did on stage, killing puppies, the shit eating, etc etc etc, were all said about Alice, Ozzy, Bowie, Sam Kinison before him.

Pulled his dick out on stage? So did Jim Morrison. So have tons of metal guys.

Manson is the last line to do everything he's done or had said about him.

[Skeba]

Yeah, and that makes him bad as an artist? What the fuck is the point of the last post?

And why was this bumped from page 94 in the first place?

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

From what the band says and seems to agree on, is that they heard the song from Axl's brother. The Marylin Manson thing I dont know, maybe he wanted to be a part of it to make him even more controversial.  The reason Axl wore the Charlie Dont Surf shirt on tour was because he had gotten a bad reputation with being arrested and starting riots and all that other bullshit. He was trying to show that the media was over-reacting and that he really wasnt a bad guy, someone like Charles Manson is a bad guy. Also, he found some humour in the qoute, there is a press release about it, if I find it I will post it.  And as for the song goes, like he said himself, he liked the lyrics and the melody because he could relate to it.  He wanted to show the world another part of Charles Manson that wasnt really talked about in the media.  Put another piece in the puzzle.  And for when he says "Thanks Chaz" at the end, if you actually read the liner notes of the cd, a guy named Carlos played the guitar on that song, so he is probably thanking him since Chaz is a nickname for Carlos. He's defiantely not thanking Manson.

[ryan_of_lax]

I always thought you didn't have to pay royalties for a cover song if it was unlisted? Because, if its unlisted/uncredited, that means no one is buying the CD for that song (in theory), therefore they don't have to get paid. That's also why lyrics of cover songs are rarely printed in CD booklets.

I could very well be wrong though.

[mrlee]

Yeah, and that makes him bad as an artist? What the fuck is the point of the last post?

And why was this bumped from page 94 in the first place?

Mechanical animals made me love his work lol.