Axl's World

[K-Rock]

I think Axl was making a statement by ending UYI II with My World.

Matt Sorum recently stated in an interview that Axl was threatened by NIN.  It makes sense since Axl recruited Robin Finck away from NIN.

Matt Sorum also stated that Axl was trying to get him into Chemical Brothers.  That also makes sense when Axl pulled Buckethead into the band.

IMO, Axl had in mind exactly which direction he wanted to take the band during the UYI tour.  He knew the only way he could make GNR "his world" was to force the band into giving him the exclusive rights to the name.  He knew that the other members would not want to go hip-hop or techo.  He knew GNR as it had come to be known........was about to end.

The years following the UYI tour were already created by Axl.  Axl's world wanted it that way.  What Slash & Duff brought to the table was probably GNR.  IMO, Axl had no intention of accepting any of it.  Whether it was good rock or not.  Slash & Duff would never create anything close to hip-hop or techno.

So GNR as we knew them........had disbanded.  Axl embarked on his own journey safely hiding behind the name he purchased.  Would the record company have invested over 10 million dollars for Axl's experimental journey into a new musical realm?  He knew they wouldn't.

Fast forward to 2002.  Axl embarks on a tour that his heart was never into.  He needed the fans who had supported him to date to relate HIS new creation to the name Guns 'N' Roses.  He inserted a few new songs with all the old classics.


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My question is to those who have been GNR fans since, at least, the UYI days is:

Should music representing Guns 'N' Roses remain rock 'n' roll based?  Or should Guns 'N' Roses complete it's place in music's history on the hip-hop/techno side?
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My answer is NO.  If Axl wants to make hip-hop/techno, than he should do it on his own........not under the security blanket of the legendary/future rock 'n' roll hall of fame inductee called-----> Guns 'N' Roses.  Furthermore, I want Chinese Democracy to be AFD, UYI I & II sounding.....nothing even close to NIN or The Chemical Bros.


Edited to NOTE:  This has the potential to be a mature discussion and not a "who's better" old members or new members.  I'm not asking who's better.  I'm simply asking for intelligent opinions/arguements on what would be acceptable to us the fans who built this band up to where it stands today.

[Hammer1]

I will be very disappointed if the new cd sounds techno/rap or funky!

I hope Axl knows that we love the angry loud screaming and scratchy sound of GNR, we love the energy and the rage with the soft and gentle sound of Don't cry or estranged.

We want the aggressive and sarcastic sound that only he could sing with!

Axl please don't try to be like some other genre of music, you created your own!!!!

 

[madagas]

I have no idea what the album will sound like, but I am 100% positive it will NOT be Hip Hop and Techno! Come on......I believe it will sound like Gnr (mainly due to Axl's voice and melodies) mixed with more electronic layers of sound. Please read DAVID WILD'S review of the 12 songs he heard in Rolling Stone......no mention of HIP HOP or Techno.

[jarmo]

Matt Sorum also stated that Axl was trying to get him into Chemical Brothers.  That also makes sense when Axl pulled Buckethead into the band.

What's the connection between those two?  

I guess Axl was trying to get Matt to try new production things. Like sampling drum beats.....

Should music representing Guns 'N' Roses remain rock 'n' roll based?  Or should Guns 'N' Roses complete it's place in music's history on the hip-hop/techno side?

What does that mean? No use of samples, synthesizers, loops etc? To me a song like Chinese Democracy is rock music....

I'd say yes, go ahead. It worked for U2, so why couln't it work for GN'R.

I think what U2 did with "Achtung Baby" was amazing.

You can always go back if it doesn't work out, but atleast you tried.


/jarmo

[younggunner]

Mnay people have said that the album will not be what everyone thinks it gonan be. Brian May has called it close to great. Do you think he lieks rap or techno?

Cd will have elements from all genres and styles and be wrapped up in a very special gnr way.

[Izzy]

Sigh

Everyone who is anybody in the GNR world has said the album is not rap/techno

Why does this still get mentioned?

If i could be bothered i would dig out the quotes that said CD sounds like Pink Floyd/Zepplin - GNR's old manager said 'Oh My God' was atypical of the album (atypical means not typical )

Does Madagascar/Blues/Chinese Democracy sound techno to u?

[K-Rock]

Matt Sorum also stated that Axl was trying to get him into Chemical Brothers.  That also makes sense when Axl pulled Buckethead into the band.

What's the connection between those two?  

If you listen to Buckethead's Monsters & Robots....or...Somewhere over the Slaughterhouse....there's alot of similarities with The Chemical Bros.

Should music representing Guns 'N' Roses remain rock 'n' roll based?  Or should Guns 'N' Roses complete it's place in music's history on the hip-hop/techno side?

What does that mean? No use of samples, synthesizers, loops etc? To me a song like Chinese Democracy is rock music....

That's fine as long as it wasn't "the closest thing" they had to rock.  If the few "new" songs they have played are the most rock tracks they have...i will be extremely dissappointed.

I'd say yes, go ahead. It worked for U2, so why couln't it work for GN'R.

I think what U2 did with "Achtung Baby" was amazing.

Yes, but it wasn't that far off from U2 prior.   GNR would be a far greater distance from it's origins.

You can always go back if it doesn't work out, but atleast you tried.

What??  In another ten years??

[K-Rock]

Why does this still get mentioned?

Because there's not much to talk about these days and you, oh great one, have not created a thread sparking discussion about anything that hasn't already been discussed.

If i could be bothered i would dig out the quotes that said CD sounds like Pink Floyd/Zepplin - GNR's old manager said 'Oh My God' was atypical of the album

Too busy with other things huh?  I surely hope 'Oh My God' being atypical of the album has since changed.

Does Madagascar/Blues/Chinese Democracy sound techno to u?

No.  I do hope the rest of the album is on the side of rock as opposed to more techno/hip-hop.  Could the playing of those songs be the bridge between old-style GNR and whatever Axl is making now.

I guess the hip-hop look Axl unveiled is coincidental then huh?

And as far as those who have heard the material and have commented.......it's been years since then.  Is it still the same.  What's taking so long??

If is was so good, then it would've been on the market by now.

[loretian]

It's hard to answer this, because all the songs I've heard from new Gn'R sound like hard rock to me.  No, I would not like to see Guns N' Roses release a pure hip hop or techno album, but it's seems like a pointless question, because I haven't heard or read anything that makes me believe that will be the case.

If by hip hop/techno, you mean the type of hard rock (or whatever you want to call it) that we've heard in the new music, then the answer is yes.  I've heard everything I want from the new Gn'R songs - Good, hard rock.  Piano ballads.  And something new and interesting.

[jarmo]

Yes, but it wasn't that far off from U2 prior.   GNR would be a far greater distance from it's origins.

"Discotheque" or "Mofo" was almost the same as "Sunday Bloody Sunday" or "With Or Without You"? No it wasn't....

You can always go back if it doesn't work out, but atleast you tried.

What??  In another ten years??

Why not, if that's what it takes then sure.

You seem a little upset about the whole time issue.  



/jarmo

[AxlFink]

OMG!  I just fell asleep after reading that one and woke up - wait what day is it?  did i sleep through the day? or 2?  wait-  Is chinese Democracy out yet???  Could it be I slept til Sept/Oct?  

I dont think any of the songs we've heard would have killed the old members to do.  The little touches of "hip pop" and "techno" really seperates them from the 80's.  They are all still rock songs, just with some different flavors  Ya cant always stick to vanilla or chocolate.   Sometimes ya gotta have the coffee flava 2!  Which after a post like this I need!

[madagas]

K-Rock, atypical means NOT like the rest of the songs. In other words, OMG does not sound like the songs recorded for Chinese Dem. You seem hung up on the time issue as well. Just because it has not been released, it doesn't mean 1. The songs have substantially changed (Axl could just be making minor changes-could just be sitting on his ass doing nothing). 2. The fact that it is not released has NOTHING to do with the quality of the material and more to do with how fucked up Axl is-either insecurity or perfectionism or laziness. It is safe to infer that Axl has not even turned the record over to the record company yet. 1. That is why the GREATEST SHITS was released by the record label because Axl had not delivered CD.  and 2. Mysteron said that management was still deciding what to do with CD until the GH fiasco was over. PLEASE don't assume the material is no good because Axl won't let go...his instability should not be mixed with his talent.  

[K-Rock]

You seem a little upset about the whole time issue.  

It shows huh??


I would not mind if the album is full of Mads, Blues, CD style music.  Most seem so sure it is.  If it comes out more NIN or even close to Chemical Bros, then I will be extremely disappointed.

At this point, are those new songs still on the record??  None of you know.  

Perhaps the 3 album process, if it still exists, is a slow transition to the styles of music I mentioned.  From where I sit, if that is the case, it will have tarnished what began in 1987.

[madagas]

I also like Jarmo's comparison with Achtung. Achtung is essentially classic U2 melodies mixed with new musical sounds and layers....really just as I see Maddie, CD, Blues and Rhiad-classic Gnr melody with new and different guitar sounds/synths. Silk and OMG are completely different.

[Captain P?l]

oh my fucking lord!! im tired of reading GNR is becoming techno and Hip Hop... who really said that? WHO??? TELL ME!!

[K-Rock]

K-Rock, atypical means NOT like the rest of the songs.

   Yes, I know........or at least I did know that.......and had forgotten (Thank you for the clarification)

In other words, OMG does not sound like the songs recorded for Chinese Dem. You seem hung up on the time issue as well. Just because it has not been released, it doesn't mean 1. The songs have substantially changed (Axl could just be making minor changes-could just be sitting on his ass doing nothing). 2. The fact that it is not released has NOTHING to do with the quality of the material and more to do with how fucked up Axl is-either insecurity or perfectionism or laziness. It is safe to infer that Axl has not even turned the record over to the record company yet. 1. That is why the GREATEST SHITS was released by the record label because Axl had not delivered CD.  and 2. Mysteron said that management was still deciding what to do with CD until the GH fiasco was over. PLEASE don't assume the material is no good because Axl won't let go...his instability should not be mixed with his talent.  

I don't dispute the possibilities you've mentioned above.  Yes, the time thing makes me wonder.  Name another ten year project that turned out to be so wonderful.  

And if it's so great, why would he be so insecure about it.  

I've never doubted or spoke against Axl's talent.  I've always said that I'll buy and enjoy anything Axl does, even if it were country.

If it's represented as Guns 'N' Roses, leave the door open for a reunion and until then leave the legacy as it stands.  Unless, of course the forthcoming album rocks, then I, one fan, won't mind.  That's all.

And I'm not sold on mysteron.......I've been duped and will no longer buy into any "inside" info until an actual source is named.

[Funeral]

My concern is not that the music will sound too techno.  I think CD will be brilliant.

But I'm very concerned about the reputation Axl is developing. Most people I talk to now days laugh when I even mention the name GNR.  I had always thought that the world would be silenced when they heard the new music.  But now I am beginning to think otherwise.  There seems to be such a hatred for the whole GNR circus, that I'm afraid people won't give it an honest chance.  

On top of that, Velvet Revolver seems to have gained an immediate respect.  And I 'm afraid that they may steal some of the old school GNR fans, complicating things further for Axl.

This is really just an observation of the feedback that I have encountered recently. So save the bashing.  

-F

[madagas]

K-Rock, Axl's insecurity and perception of himself and the music has NOTHING to do with how it physically sounds. He is a VERY damaged individual and it does not matter if everyone around him says it is the greatest album ever, if he doesn't like it, it won't be released. He is insecure regardless of his music. It is his personality.

[K-Rock]

K-Rock, Axl's insecurity and perception of himself and the music has NOTHING to do with how it physically sounds. He is a VERY damaged individual and it does not matter if everyone around him says it is the greatest album ever, if he doesn't like it, it won't be released. He is insecure regardless of his music. It is his personality.

I agree with you that he is damaged and likley looking for a resoltution to, or healing from, the damage.

Is it possible that the insecurities/damage is leading him and GNR in a different direction??

Like Dee Snider once said, "I Wanna Rock".  Will Axl say, "Let's hit the dance floor".

[jarmo]

Like Dee Snider once said, "I Wanna Rock".  Will Axl say, "Let's hit the dance floor".

Yes, he's gonna go on tour with Moby. They'll play raves in Europe and they'll get a reunited 2 Unlimited to open for them.  Or maybe Scooter....



/jarmo