Does "Time" exist?

[Skeba]

So time does not exist since there are propably 1, 2, 4 or more, but not 3 dimensional energy based aliens?

The thing is that, well, we (as a race - humans) do live in a 3 dimensional world, and that pretty much goes for all the trees, buildings, tables and your average random planet you may choose. And we (again - humans) and animals too, view the world in 3D. Now as a part of this handicapped 3D world, there is time. It can not be seen, just as you can not see any other dimension by itself - hell even 2 dimensions can get lost if you just happen to be at a funny angle. Maybe, in another universe, or at some other higher enrgy levels where these 2 dimensional aliens live, there is no time. And once you try and make contact with these supreme beings you go to the higher energylevels only to notice that you simply can't come back because, well that would require time. And boy would that person be embarrased if only he could, but even then.. Even then we (the 3D handicapped people) still have to deal with the crappy fact that we will eventually die.

The only question that remains is that when I do die, do I get to go and live with my 1 dimensional alien friends for all eternity (or whatever it is that they call it where they're from)??

I recommend Steven Weinberg's book "The first three minutes". It doesn't have all that many aliens if I remember correctly, but he does have some good ideas (even won a nobel for some of them).

And this post is not to insult anyone or anyone's view of it all. It's just to say that even though I, or anyone for that matter can say what is everything, where it's coming from or where it is going, the way  we see this world, will - for some time, have the concept and abstract of time in it.

[Prometheus]

OK not to be an ass. but... is it only me that has seen teh damn thread grow beyond its orgional purpose to a point of preception and proving weather or not ime exists ahs become irrlivant and we are all saying that it exists and that only preception is what changes. and that time is a man made concept...


*walks a way shaking head*

[axls_locomotive]

OK not to be an ass. but... is it only me that has seen teh damn thread grow beyond its orgional purpose to a point of preception and proving weather or not ime exists ahs become irrlivant and we are all saying that it exists and that only preception is what changes. and that time is a man made concept...


*walks a way shaking head*

now we all know that length, width and depth are man-made concepts also and not real, therefore no dimensions exist in the real world

couldnt resist prom lol

[Prometheus]

sometimes you can be a real dick "Q"


LOL

how about making everyone into a Q for a day?? please

[axls_locomotive]

i like it real, any other way wouldnt have the same feel lol

hmmm a Q nooo, we are out of Q's, how about Neelix?

"There is no time to argue about time, we don't have the time"

[Prometheus]

bump

[Axls Locomotive]

welcome back mister prometheus, we've...missed you lol

its been a long time hasnt it

[Prometheus]

haha.... got sick of watching teh same shit without me yelling.. lol   soooooooo i had to come back and drive the masses to the end of days.......LOL

[Mr. Dick Purple]

Such a huge question lol I think the fact that Day turns to Night, Night turns to Day and the way the seasons change give a sense of time.

Animals and plants react to different conditions depending on the time of day/year/season.
So i think we are probably about right. But it's all guess work innit?

I think i'm right in saying The Romans brought the concept of the months of the year, or at least named some after Gods or Emperors - To the rest of the world

Bless the history and Discovery channels lol
 

I think you are talking about weather and seasons, even though, I can tell you if you live for a month in the ARTIC you'll probably know that 6 month you can watch the sun and the other 6 month you are in the dark, so the only thing to meassure month, years and stuff like that is time, yes it was created by us to be a little more "responsable" and be in control. 

[Axls Locomotive]

so heres your starter question for 10

if time didnt exist, would every atom stay in exactly the same place?

[*Izzy*]

so heres your starter question for 10

if time didnt exist, would every atom stay in exactly the same place?

Ok I'm shit at this stuff? but anyway here's a guesse:

No, atoms would still be able to move through space but not time

  Izzy?

[Prometheus]

so heres your starter question for 10

if time didnt exist, would every atom stay in exactly the same place?

Ok I'm shit at this stuff  but anyway here's a guesse:

No, atoms would still be able to move through space but not time

  Izzy 

by the simple method of moving would imply some type of underling existance in time, for without being able to measure the amount of movement based on any scale we know they cant move.... atoms in a solid form tend to resonate where they vibrate at a certain frequancey.  and the same is true for all atoms though in the diferent states they tend to move over greater distance and such. Now where freq. is a time measurement then time would have to exist... or nothing could move and the universe could not exist.

[Mr. Dick Purple]

by the simple method of moving would imply some type of underling existance in time, for without being able to measure the amount of movement based on any scale we know they cant move.... atoms in a solid form tend to resonate where they vibrate at a certain frequancey.? and the same is true for all atoms though in the diferent states they tend to move over greater distance and such. Now where freq. is a time measurement then time would have to exist... or nothing could move and the universe could not exist.

  I need A Whisky!! What's with time anyway?, people need time or just an excuse tu justify our urgencies of inmediate preceadures? 

[unoturbo]

so heres your starter question for 10

if time didnt exist, would every atom stay in exactly the same place?

Isn't it possible for an atom to exist at two different places at once? So with zero passage of time the atom has effectively 'moved'.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

so heres your starter question for 10

if time didnt exist, would every atom stay in exactly the same place?

Isn't it possible for an atom to exist at two different places at once?

Depends if you treat the atom as a localized point particle, or a de Brogli wave (that exist throughout space) - those physicists are sneaky 

You made me think about 'electron clouds' around the nucleus of an atom - that cloud describes the probability distribution of where the electron could be.  So yeah, they're basically saying the little electron can exist here,  or here, or here, or over there (but with different probabilities for each location).

It's amazing anything gets done in science with such uncertainty. 

Have any of you read 'Pastwatch' by Orson Scott Card?  It's sci-fi mixed with a little bit of history and some meddling with  Father Time.  It was a good story.

[Axls Locomotive]

It's amazing anything gets done in science with such uncertainty. 

science orders the chaos around us

de Brogli? wasnt that a character in Jungle Book?..way over my head these answers so ill just nod and say hmmmmm

[Prometheus]

OSC.... hmmm did the main character ahppen to be alvin or ender did it or some combination of teh two?... LOL.... OSC hahaha

[jameslofton29]

There is actually people here who think time is a man made concept?? So according to that theory, if all the clocks were broken, time would stop? Gimme a break! I think time is basically a dimension in itself. It has always existed and always will. If the world were to end tommorow, time would still move forward. As scientists are able to look further and further out into space, maybe some of the questions about time can be answered. One question I would like answered is, Did time exist before the Big Bang?

[Axls Locomotive]

remember that time and movement and dimension are what we perceive...all dimensions are man made concepts...remember width height and depth are only there for us to explain the existence of everything around us, who says it should be measured at right angles?

[Prometheus]

its called the observer effect.... once something is observered it is changed and the observer becomes part of what it observes.

no time didnt exist within our universe prior to the big bang as the universe did not yet exist. and nothing could exist within the pre "big bang" , nor at teh instant that it occured, so time could not be observed so it could not exist.

time is not a man made concept but is a interpertation in the accepted view of man is a man made concept, as we have no other way to view time then by our own preceptions/interpertations then time to us can only exist in that manner. Do not forget that time measurement has changed over teh course of human existance, because our preception and interpertation of how it was to be measure also changed