Does "Time" exist?

[Prometheus]

as the subject asks, does time exist?


if yes how would you define it? If no why not?



Im not a fatalist person to a great extent.. tho the only way i can seem for my self to make a beleiveable reason to why time does not exist is to be fatalist.. and to make it exist I cannot do it....

soo what do you think

[SLCPUNK]

I got into this conversation with my wife.  


I say no, because time is manmade, it is a measurement we came up with.

[matt88]

I got into this conversation with my wife.  


I say no, because time is manmade, it is a measurement we came up with.

True

[Skeba]

I say no, because time is manmade, it is a measurement we came up with.

Time is not manmade. Only the measurements of time are manmade. Universe all in all doesn't really care about the measurements of time man came up with. And to say cars for example don't exist just because they're manmade is just.. not smart.

Time exists. It is the so called fourth dimension. It doesn't really matter what grid we put on it - may it be minutes, seconds or years. The measurements are just there to put an abstract in perspective so that we can talk about it, and so that others somewhat can understand what we are trying to say. Just like weight, length, temperature or any other unit that the man has created to better understand the world around him. I hope that all made some sense.

[MCT]

I say no, because time is manmade, it is a measurement we came up with.

I'd say ditto Skeba's post.............well......parts of it at least ...........

Now, on to my dumbass next-door neighbour..............WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!?!?!?!?!?!?

...................you sound like me..................

Starting a thread about whether or not time exists........... ..............jesus...........lets go to Tommies....

OH!!!! ............just in case anyone is wondering......... ....I'm talking about, or rather to, Prom....


HAVE A NICE DAY

[Izzy]

I don't have time to answer

[Prometheus]

pool after supper perhaps?

hehehe


The way I look at why time doesnot exist is this;

How would you prove it?

well for starters how would you prove something that you can not see cannot touch cannot taste, cannot hear exists?

the only acceptable way I can see would be to see its affects on its surrounding enviroment. Like with air tress move in the wind.. etc. So if you left time pass. with something that decays rather quickly, you can see the effects of time acting on it... or do you? what you actually see is the affects of the enviroment acting on it... becasue if you were to take an object and remove from it anything that can affect it (except for time.... then the object wouldnt decay....

Can you save time?

no. any time you save is used by something else.. so you cant save 1 min a day adn on your death bed apply it to your clock and extend your life... can you?

can you capture time?

nope you so cant.. cause well based on what it is... it keeps on passing.. lol

the better question about time is this;

If time exists in a grand scale.. is it linear or dynamic?


to me it would have to be dynamic, and that linear time is only a human concept to allow us understand existance....and in a little theory of mine.. that would allow for people that have "future" flashes could actualy understanding time for a breif momnet in a dynamic way (can exist everywhere and no where... therefore where you exist is what time actualy is

[Lisa]

I think time must exist because every minute feels like a fucking eternity when I am at work hungover....and every hour of every day that I don't get to see my bf cause he is away at school still....so yeah, it exists

[SwedeChildO'Mine]

I don't have time to answer

Dammit Izzy.  

I was goin to write that sentence...

Now you're the first one to play some funny here  

[axls_locomotive]

if you take time out of the equation then we would be left with objects that just sit there unmoving with nothing influencing them...time is change, from one moment to the next, time is movement from one place to the next, time is a reaction to forces upon atoms and molecules, initially the big bang(s) and the collisions that ensue ...and everything has a lifespan determined by what things are made of...without time there would be no life, just decay

time is a human concept for change and movement, can you save time by stopping every molecule in your body? maybe but can you stop random brownian motion? probably not

[Doc Emmett Brown]

if you take time out of the equation then we would be left with objects that just sit there unmoving with nothing influencing them...time is change,

I was going to post the same as you, but then I thought: we measure time through change, but does that mean they are equivalent?

Posted by: Prometheus  Posted on: April 19, 2004, 08:26:42 pm  
the only acceptable way I can see would be to see its affects on its surrounding enviroment.

So what you're saying is, we use 'events' as yardsticks.  Take any 2 events and try to make a relation between them.   I am at Point A (event 1) and then travel at some speed.  After some 'distance/speed', I get to Point B (event 2).  

So our perception of the passage of time is through our observation of events.  

Event 1 occurs before Event 2 - but by how much?  Now we try to quantify it, and put little tickmarks at regular intervals.   Our act of measurement is imposed, but there is a natural ordering in the sequence of events that occur.

So let's remove all source of events.  All matter and photons, etc.  A completely devoid universe with no source of decay and change...   Now, does time exist without events?   What I mean is: Does an axis exist with no data points?  

I dont think so.  But of course I have no way to prove that!  It seems to me that time is intricately linked with the matter & mass in space.  Their interaction causes change which we observe and attempt to quantify.

Enough babbling for today.  

[St.heathen]

Such a huge question lol I think the fact that Day turns to Night, Night turns to Day and the way the seasons change give a sense of time.

Animals and plants react to different conditions depending on the time of day/year/season.
So i think we are probably about right. But it's all guess work innit?

I think i'm right in saying The Romans brought the concept of the months of the year, or at least named some after Gods or Emperors - To the rest of the world

Bless the history and Discovery channels lol
 

[MR.BROWNSTONE]

I think time does exist. It has to. I just don't have the time to get into this.    

[Dizzy]

If you've got the money, I've got the time.

[Prometheus]

So let's remove all source of events.  All matter and photons, etc.  A completely devoid universe with no source of decay and change...  Now, does time exist without events?  What I mean is: Does an axis exist with no data points?  

ok technicaly the axis would exist.. but teh data would not.. so you could have space and mass but they would be static...since they cannot be plotted....so the axis would one big "not eqaul to dot".... but the mass and space could be plotted.. there fore.. one could exist with out "time" but by mere existance you create a concept of time....unless your existance was omnimpiment.. then time would be dynamic and you could exist at any point of ...... say teh life cycle of a star... you could be at its birth and death all at once.. you could see teh begging and teh end all in one glance....


Someone once argued to me that God cannot exist simply because he cannot possibly have enough time to handle things... But if god can exist at any point he sees fit.. then he would have all teh time in the world.... hell jsut because we exist in a linear time it doesnt mean that another race cannot exist with no concept of time what so ever.. they merely exist when they want to..

"puts a new spin on doing things over" lol but then again would you keep your knowledge of today .. 15yrs ago?

[axls_locomotive]

if you take time out of the equation then we would be left with objects that just sit there unmoving with nothing influencing them...time is change,

I was going to post the same as you, but then I thought: we measure time through change, but does that mean they are equivalent?

time and change are inextricably linked, time exists because of change, and change exists because of time

if you take matter itself out and leave the 4th dimension of time as the only dimension, then would time exist?  Since there would be nothing in the universe, how would you judge the measurement of time? I doubt if it is possible, so time and matter are linked also...but maybe i am forgetting about the other 9 dimensions that physicists seem to think exist

didnt they conduct experiments with an atomic clock and foudn that time actually goes slower in space?

[John Daniels]

I don't have time to answer

I did have the time to answer with this post  

[unoturbo]

Time does exist!
The universe is about 15 billion years old (cheers google!). How much of that 15 billion years do you remember? It's as if that time went in an instant until you begin to remember things, which is our concept of time.

Visible light is a tiny spectrum of electromagnetic radiation and similarly I think we experience a tiny spectrum of time too, possibly due to our relative motion to visible things being minute. This time is linear time, the things we use everyday (seconds, hours etc). However, as has been predicted with some funky maths, time is dependant on the relative velocity of the observer and the event they are measuring. Space time is also changed by gravity in black holes and shit too apparently.

So the other spectrums of time are not detectable in everday life, but they do exist. Similarly other things in the universe may live in a different spectrum of time, where the laws arn't so linear.

[MCT]

pool after supper perhaps?

..............you're a retard....................

<trademark 'Donald Duck-ish' voice> And you're trying to confust everyone man...............but I know what you're up to................... ............

Anyway........I was out last night..............but by the time I got there it really was a little late to go calling around.......so I just drank...................besides I got my assed kicked at West-Side earlier on.....(pool)...............so all it woulda been was a drunk..................

[Miz]

Yes time exists.  If you don't believe me consult your WATCH!!!



Seriously though...it depends on how fast you're going...
If you're going at the speed of light (which you can't) then time become's a single point (i.e. the closer you get to the speed of light, the slower things appear to you).

Time exists, otherwise how would you explain anything?