What went wrong with Slash, Duff, Izzy and the rest of guys??

[badgirl]

Slash still spoke with Steven??  

[Dizzy]

Slash still spoke with Steven??  

Yes, they reconciled sometime in the mid 1990s and revived their longtime friendship.  At one point (I think 1998 or 1999), Slash said this...

The problems in GNR began when we started changing the lineup, beginning with Steven.  And then we started tinkering too much with the Guns sound.

He's basically implying that it was a mistake to fire Steven to begin with.

And of course, you are aware that Slash and Izzy jammed with Adler's Appetite last October, right?    So it's obvious that Slash and Steven have long patched everything up.  All the ex-members seem to get along great now since they still jam together and speak to one another.  Slash, Izzy, and Steven jamming onstage, Steven and Izzy writing songs together, Steven and Duff jamming in the studio a couple years ago....AIN'T LIFE GRAND?  

[KeVoRkIaN]

Dead Horse

But then again there is good news:
I just saved a bunch of money switching to Geico

[badgirl]

Interesting Dizzy, i didn't know that. i don't really follow the individual projects and certainly not Adlers (no offense to him).

[Doc Emmett Brown]

I find it very objective and illuminating, which isn't surprising, considering that Izzy was always the most reasonable, down to earth, and level-headed member of the band.

Why yes, I feel the same way about Mr Izzy.  Too bad he's only 'big in Japan'...

Pretty Tied Up and 14 Years essentially sums up what happened.  We can play the blame game, but the perils of rock n' roll decadence were enough to kill this band.

Like what happened to five guys playing rock n roll?
--Izzy, January 1993

Exactly.  'Too much, too soon'.   But now, in the aftermath, the ex-Gunners are friends, and some are bandmates.  So whatever bad things happened back then has been forgiven & forgotten by all except one.

[kockstar99]

Who wouldnt love to see VR tour with Adlers Appetitte??

I think that Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven all sharing the stage again together is not that far away.....




I wish the fucking singer would be there....

[matt88]

Someone said that the problems began when they made so much money that they didn't know what to do with it

[younggunner]

And to be honest, out of the 6 or 7 Axl records we have, two ("My World" and "Silkworms") are arguably worse than anything the other members have done.  In fact, I cant think of one bad Snakepit song.  A number of average or forgettable ones, but nothing thats just bad like "Silkworms".

First of all silk worms is not a bad song. Its a fukin awesome song. Actually except for Set Me Free I enjoy it more than anything slash has done in vr or his solo stuff. The rio version sux. The vegas version is 100x better. Plus we havnt heard a studio version yet.

People get on Axl for not doing anything over all these years but what the hell has slash and duff exactely done? They have done solo things and make a shitload of appearances. WHo cares. None of their work has come close to what they did with gnr. Plus they havnt even attempted to make any type of band with a new band until recently with vr.

Axl has taken too much time, but its for valid reasons. Being that they are moving on with the gnr name, they have accepted the responsibilities of that. And as a result they are gonna do it right. And release material that justifies the past and justifies why they kept the band name.

Slash stated that he did take some of the material to Axl, but Axl arbitrarily rejected it.  That doesn't mean Slash wanted the entire Snakepit album to be the next GNR record.

Yes, and Axl rejected it because it he felt it wasnt gnr standards. Axl said Slash's snakepit album would have been the next gnr album if he agreed to do it. Thank god they didnt.

Thats the problem. Creative differences. Axl has a vision of how gnr should continue to push the envelope and set new standards whereas  Slash is more about just "jamming" and doing reg rock stuff. Which is fine because Slash is great. BUt he appears very lazy and doesnt want to continue to push the envelope. There is no rright or worng. What will jsutify ones decision is when CD and the follow ups finally gets released.

All the ex-members seem to get along great now since they still jam together and speak to one another.  Slash, Izzy, and Steven jamming onstage, Steven and Izzy writing songs together, Steven and Duff jamming in the studio a couple years ago....AIN'T LIFE GRAND?  

Good for them. Now instead of jamming how bout they get together and make a relevant album liek they are capable of?

So whatever bad things happened back then has been forgiven & forgotten by all except one.

Maybe they have patched things up amongst themselves because they know they need that "one" to make a significant musical contribution again that meets their standards. The jury is still out on Axl. Cd and the follow ups will determine whether he needs the old members or they need him.
My rolex and my house are in gnrs corner.  


As for the original topic:
To me it basically comes down to creative differences and music philosophies.
Izzy and Slash are extremely talented and fukin awesome. Thier attitude toward music is more about jamming and just making bluesy/rock type music. And thats fine. There great at it.

Axl is the same but also different. Axl had and has a vision of gnr.
 His vision got them from afd to the illusions. What failed in the illusions is that they rushed it. The ideas are great but they didnt take their time with it. And what is scary about that is that they still were great albums.
Axl wants gnr to always evolve and push the envelope, which when you think about it has been gnr theme since the beginning.

Duff is somewhere in the middle. If Axl could have been more mature in dealing with the band situation and timetables, duff would more than liekly still be in the band. But Axl isnt, hence we have VR.

Its funny how Axl gets critisized for not releasing anything in many years but what exacetly has Slash released that meets gnr standards. I understand they were solo efforts but then how come slash never picked up a phone and did something liek VR earlier? ANd attempt to make an impact in the music world again.

Yes, Gnr have taken their sweetass time. BUt they are doing so because they want to make sure its done right. Their goal is to make gnr the biggest band in the world again. Whether you think they can or not, thats for you to decide, but you cant deny them of their intentions.

And whether they kept the name or not is irrelevant. If the current band had a different name people would still get on Axl for "breaking up" the old lineup. People would still get on Axl for making a record with "freaks". People would still get on him for taking his time in making a comeback record. People would still get on him for not communicationg. Things wont change.
It doesnt matter though. The band name stays, and you can accept that or not. Its your choice.

BUt what if CD is a masterpiece. What if Gnr become the biggest band in the land again. What if people say that CD is better than AFD? WHat does all of that mean? Does it mean that Axl was and always will be gnr? Does it mean this current band is better than the old? To me it doesnt. To me it means that the old was great and the new was great. To me it would mean that gnr had 2 great eras and a crazy lil man was the man that got old and new gnr from point A to B.

[Dizzy]

but what exacetly has Slash released that meets gnr standards. I understand they were solo efforts but then how come slash never picked up a phone and did something liek VR earlier? ANd attempt to make an impact in the music world again.

Because making an impact isn't Slash's prerogative.  He wants to play rock n roll music.  It's difficult to make an impact in today's fashion-laden music industry, and virtually impossible to live up to GNR standards.

You state that Slash is "lazy" because he doesn't push the envelope.  Why the hell should he?  He's been there, done that.  Now he's old enough and mature enough to realize that proving things to people that don't even know him aren't what life is about.  To him, life is about playing guitar and having fun.  It isn't about obsessing over what the public thinks of the waves you make (or lack thereof).

Slash doesn't need to prove anything to you.  He isn't the one professing to set the world on fire with any music he creates.  On countless occasions, he's made it crystal clear that he wants to plug in his guitar and play.  He isn't concerned with setting trends, making waves, and shaking the world in its very foundation.

You are the one setting the bar for Slash, and then criticizing him for not living up to a standard that he didn't even create for himself.

At least with Axl critics, they can expect Axl to live up to the GNR standard, because Axl is the one using the GNR name, making all these promises about how his record is going to be a Guns N Roses record, and how he's gonna deliver, etc.  So as you pointed out yourself, he's setting the bar high for himself.

I think it's funny how you point out that Axl is doing things his own way rather than what people expect from him, and then you turn around and criticize Slash for doing the same thing.

[MadmanDan]

Man,we're like children with divorced parents.What went wrong? Who's fault was it? Will they ever get back together? Well,kids,they both remarried! Well,kind of,because daddy Axl still refuses to make it official

[younggunner]

Because making an impact isn't Slash's prerogative.  He wants to play rock n roll music.  It's difficult to make an impact in today's fashion-laden music industry, and virtually impossible to live up to GNR standards.

You state that Slash is "lazy" because he doesn't push the envelope.  Why the hell should he?  He's been there, done that.  Now he's old enough and mature enough to realize that proving things to people that don't even know him aren't what life is about.  To him, life is about playing guitar and having fun.  It isn't about obsessing over what the public thinks of the waves you make (or lack thereof).

Slash doesn't need to prove anything to you.  He isn't the one professing to set the world on fire with any music he creates.  On countless occasions, he's made it crystal clear that he wants to plug in his guitar and play.  He isn't concerned with setting trends, making waves, and shaking the world in its very foundation.

You are the one setting the bar for Slash, and then criticizing him for not living up to a standard that he didn't even create for himself.

Like i said all of that is fine. BUt its funny when peopel get on Axl for being the exact opposite. There is no right or wrong.

I think it's funny how you point out that Axl is doing things his own way rather than what people expect from him, and then you turn around and criticize Slash for doing the same thing.

Im not critisizing slash at all. I have said many times that Slashs attitude towards music and life for that matter is fine. Thats how he goes about his business.
I think its funny that people critisize Axl for being the opposite. Its like "oh slash is an angel cause he just wants to jam, whereas that bastard axl wants to put his whole life into something yet gets critisized for it.

This issue has been debated a zillion times. Axl or slash are right or wrong. Its how they choose to do things and careers. What will justify each is their efforts after each have left each other. Slash has done a bunch of solo stuff that is ok at best. He has now finally put together a band that has great talent. Lets see what comes out of it. Axl has put his whol elife into these 3 albums. Lets see what comes out of it.