LARS ULRICH: KURT COBAIN Didn't Want To Share The Stage With GUNS N' ROSES

[loretian]

wow, an intelligent post on this board, much less on a Kurt Vs. Al thread, i am quite impressed.
I love reading these posts because some of you posters are so full of shit. "Axl sucks" "no, kurt sucks" "no, you suck!"  
Do any of you people realize that human beings are complicated and nuanced (you may need to look that word up) and their situations/conflicts/relationships are rarely black and white? Can any of you maintain opposing thoughts simultaneously?
It IS what Freya wrote- they both played parts in their rivalry, they both had massive egos, Kurt was very much both a rock star and its antithesis (might want to look that word up too) and this conflict contributed greatly to his self-loathing (yes, Kurt was self-loathing), Kurt provoked Axl and Axl responded in the way Kurt wanted (with violence and intimidation).. it was very much like when the kid who was bullied on the playground walks up to the bully, 10 years later, to prove himself and the bully tries once again to use the same pseudo masculine aggressive tactics... except, and i have mentioned this before, they were both bullied. Kurt and Axl had so much in common and i think that is why they had such a hatred for each other (though Axl only really hated Kurt because Kurt dissed him, very publicly, and i agree with Freya, his feelings were hurt).
She is also correct that Kurt's lyrics were more abstract while Axl's were more literal.
But people, it's not one or the other. It's amazing that these people choose music as a way to communicate their inner most feelings and thoughts and so many of you don't get their message.

Great post.

I'm a Gn'R fan, I love Gn'R like no other band, but it doesn't take away from enjoyment of other music.

Like badgirl said, Kurt was more abstract, Axl was more literal, some people just prefer one type of lyrics over another.   It's such bullshit to start a thread about something like this.

[noizzynofuture]

Why did you start another Kurt vs Axl thread  

[John Daniels]

this game has been played so many times already..the guy has been dead about ten years now, why don't give a rest..

[Gunner80]

To say Axl couldn't sing is just pure rubbish. I mean Gloria Bennett said he had one of the most beautiful voices she's ever coached. And had the best control ever.


Live and let Die, Motherfucker!

[bolton]

How can you compare AXL and kurt,for me kurt was child writter
sjebo si se debelo

[matt88]

U wanker.....have u actually listened to the lyrics on estranged, locomotive and breakdown, shows a man at his peak of songwriting genius while kurt is crapping on about not having a gun. Go on a Nirvana msg boad then

[Billo]

Actually courtney started mouthing off first....
And i like both bands alot but u cant compair Kurt to Aaxl....Axl is way deeper...
Axl may have wrote about hateing the world but Kurt couldent get past hateing himself....
Just my opinion....I actually LOVE Kurts unplugged porformance the best.....he sings really well..and was HAPPY..

[kupirock]

Wasn't NEVERMIND selling more at that time (summer 92) than GNR?

Hmm No!

[Skeletor]

Yeah Freya, great post! It's quite a shock to see someone with a brain write here once in a while (no offence anyone )
You pretty much said everything I might've said if I could have bothered

[GNR - CROATIA]

Seroussssllllyyy.
Some of you are the dumbest people the globe has ever seen?
Well guess what babies?
I don't give a fuck what you say!    
You don't seem to live your own lives but the ones of Axl and who was that guy with the greasy popcorn bucket and friday the 13th mask on his face?
As soon as someone oppinion differs from your own,  it starts with 'fuck this',  'fuck that',  'fuck you'...
OK,  Mathew I get the point.
You are some 15 year old kid that has never seen GNR live nor do you have any bootlegs.   I undersrand,  you were not there.   You were like, what?   5, 6 when GNR and NIRVANA ruled the planet wit their music.
Now your parents busted you,  so you had to stay home while they are out on picknick so you are using the chance to get logged on the net on sunday afternoon.
Dude I understand you have obviously seen some porn while your parents were out,  but hey,  you are using fuck in the wrong place!
Maybe in 5 years that'll improve so Axl and popcornhead will be in second thoughts by than.
However,  I hope you better change school by then cause not knowing how to read or write by 15,   not good!
(Or maybe you just don't know enough of Gunners history.).
Ya know,  every GNR fan knows BREAKDOWN wasn't written by Axl only,  but co - written by SLASH (luckily).
Otherwise,  I am afraid it might've sounded like another MY WORLD or BAD OBSESSION.
Unfortunatelly,   SWOOSH26 (is that your olde bros age?),   has reading problems too.
Ya know,  you mentioned 4 songs,  2 I accept,  1 was cowritten by SLASH,  the fourth doesn't even officially exsist.
Therefore it would had been more appropriate to tell us all 'fuck me the stupid idiot who can't read'.
(I doubt it ever will.   People can't be in the same room with that freak longer than 24 hours...).
So,  I am mean...  Both of you better become legable by next time you post something.
I noticed earlier on you don't make sence,  but now you 2 proove it.
Arguing with you is waste of time cause your arguments don't make sence.
Therefore,   don't provoke cause it'll be your waste of time - I won't answer - nor will I waste my time opening up this thread.
I told you my opinion last night and I don't give a damn what anyone thinks.
Before you start using crap language (cause your parents obviously still haven't taught you better..),   learn to express your thoughts and feelings properly,  but before that,  learn how to respect others.
Otherwise,  you have very good chances to get shoot by some gangsta rapper on the way to school.
As for that women writting her  oppinon,  that was written in a very nice way,  but,  why the hell did you need that smart ass 'some of you will have to look it up'?
I know it wasn't aimed at me and I don't strike you,  but net is something that is open for everyone of all ages and education.  Both sex.
Not everyone needs to know every word.
They shouldn't be dissed for that.
Imagine how many people (eg SWOOSH and that wanker matt dude) are still in middle school or even elementary?
But FREYA,  even you had a slip out.
DUFF WAS NOT involved in the inncident according to both him,  Krist and Kurt.
Members of both bands were friends (as it should be the case),   appart from AXL.
(How sad out of all band members in GNR,  NIRVANA and METALLICA,  Axl hasn't got one friend anymore.).
As I said,  most of you will learn to live your own lives instead of Axl's by some point in time.
Just one thing that amazes me,  how can you protect the guy after all his ex and some of his new band members left him?
It's like calling whore a vigin being dead serious!
You seem to forget,  it wasn't Axl who made all that music you,  but the band that doesn't exsist anymore.
Since than he has made - nothing!
That's a FACT!
Please don't say crap about SLASH and co,   without them, Axl would had been opener for PORNO FOR PYROS.
Also,  don't turn bands against one another,  but be happy they exsisted and made somuch great music.
They made rock history.

[GNR - CROATIA]

I ment people, seems, can't be longer than 24 hours in the same room with Axl. typo

[Freya]

DUFF WAS NOT involved in the inncident according to both him,  Krist and Kurt.
Members of both bands were friends (as it should be the case),  appart from AXL.

Well, I beg to differ.  The bands were definitely not friends.  Yes, Duff had a friendly conversation with Cobain before he died, that's all.  I believe Slash and Duff are friendly with Dave Grohl, now, but at the time?  No way.  That was in Duff's drunken heyday and he was definitely part of it.  Although, yes, these days he tries to downplay the feud.  

[badgirl]

Freya, you are dealing with stinted intellects here, you really need not bother.  

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Although, yes, these days he tries to downplay the feud.  

Yes, he does...

This thread needs some laffs, so here's a piece of Weird Al's parody entitled Smells Like Nirvana:

What is this song all about?
Can?t figure any lyrics out
How do the words to it go?
I wish you?d tell me, I don?t know    
Don?t know, don?t know, don?t know, oh no

Now I?m mumblin? and I?m screamin?
And I don?t know what I?m singin?
Crank the volume, ears are bleedin?
I still don?t know what I?m singin?    
We?re so loud and incoherent
Boy, this oughta bug your parents

And I forgot the next verse
Oh well, I guess it pays to rehearse    
The lyric sheet?s so hard to find
What are the words? oh, nevermind
Don?t know, don?t know, don?t know, oh no

[badgirl]

speaking of lyrics... i was thinking about this today, brought on in part by Freya's post.
While i think that Kurt's lyrics are, generally, a bit more sophiscated ("here we are now, entertain us" succinctly and powerfully summarizes the entire attitude of a generation, speaks to priviledge and disillusionment, arrogance and irony that really captures, i think, the spirit of the Generation X), Axl's lyrics, while a bit simpler i think are, ultimately, harder to write.
A lot of poetry gets lost on the audience. A lot of it is very obscure and personal (like heart shaped box- if Kurt hadn't disclosed what it actually was, we would all have our opinions- though there is something very valid in that i admit) and it becomes harder to find meaning.
Axl has the harder job, i think, of describing universal, emotional states (states Kurt is describing as well) but he does it more literally and, what i think it the most impressive and amazing thing about Axl's songwriting ability, without any heavy-handedness, any gimmicks, any cheesiness. Anyone who has ever tried to pen a poem knows the nagging feeling of thinking that your writing is really cheesy!   And all these songs, especially the deeper Illusion songs about love and loss are done so honestly and in a very understated kind of way.
A lot of people can scribble some nonsensicle bullshit (not that i think Kurt did that) because its easier to get away with, it isolates you from your audience, many of whom don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Axl speaks a language everyone can understand and i think that is the more challenging thing to do. So while i admire both of them and tend to be somewhat of an intellectual snob and would initially gravitate toward Kurt's poetic ramblings, insight into both of them leaves me more impressed by Axl's words than by Kurts.
Sorry for being so long winded.

[Pandora]

This thread needs some laffs, so here's a piece of Weird Al's parody entitled Smells Like Nirvana:

What is this song all about?
Can?t figure any lyrics out
How do the words to it go?
I wish you?d tell me, I don?t know    
Don?t know, don?t know, don?t know, oh no

Now I?m mumblin? and I?m screamin?
And I don?t know what I?m singin?
Crank the volume, ears are bleedin?
I still don?t know what I?m singin?    
We?re so loud and incoherent
Boy, this oughta bug your parents

And I forgot the next verse
Oh well, I guess it pays to rehearse    
The lyric sheet?s so hard to find
What are the words? oh, nevermind
Don?t know, don?t know, don?t know, oh no

Thanks random, this cracked me up  

[kockstar99]

Nirvana are shit and Kurt was a junkie... even if i wasnt a Guns n Roses fan  Nirvana would still suck dick for fun..

[kockstar99]

DUFF WAS NOT involved in the inncident according to both him,  Krist and Kurt.

your a serious jack ass arent you?? you dont know your GnR history very well..

[jarmo]

DUFF WAS NOT involved in the inncident according to both him,  Krist and Kurt.

you dont know your GnR history very well..

I think Duff wanted to beat up Krist or something, but wasn't involved in the Axl/Kurt thing.


/jarmo

[kockstar99]

Yes, thats what I heard in an interview a few years ago from Duff. After he heard about the Axl/Kurt argument he went to the Nirvana trailer with his Bass Guitar Tech and started to beat on the door and shake the Nirvana trailer.. When I hear about things like this it really makes me miss the old band... The way the stuck together back then...