A Question To The Defenders & Excuse-Makers...

[Booker Floyd]

I will simply ask you to explain why Axl is incapable of pulling together a show with two guitarists?  I mean, if hes so distraught over cancelling the show, Im sure two guitarists can handle it...it seemed to have worked for the old band (not to mention nearly every other band).  Is it impossible to recruit a third guitarist for the one performance?  Its still a full two months away...

Id appreciate any explanation/insight/excuses...

[madagas]

The only one that could replace Bucket is Nigel Tufnel and he is busy doing a heavy metal reggae album with Spinal Tap at the moment. ;Dhttp://www.spinaltapfan.com/articles/guitarworld2.html

[bill213]

It's all part of the drama/publicity chain.  The more publicity Axl gets, the bigger hardon he can to sleep with at night.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

I'm neither a defender nor an excuse-maker, but here's my $.02

Perhaps GNR was planning on rolling out some new songs at RIR4 (the mythical big guns?)  And BH might have the showpiece of these songs with his fast, skilled guitar playing - something that Finck and Fortus cannot replicate (live, anyway).
Hence, Axl is open to discussions with BH, cuz right now he needs him.  I'm sure once they've re-recorded CD, BH wont matter like all those before him.

Again, I say this without knowing how much of a contribution to CD Bucket had. But you have to wonder why 2 guitarists isnt enough for a single concert, unless the 3rd guitarist was the showpiece.

[Izzy]

U make a good point, Axl could surely grab Navarro or Wylde for one show.....maybe it just wouldn't be the same without Bhead.......

Anyway i think people are making too big a deal of this, GNR never cancelled...cos they never even confirmed it!!!!

[speed_stone]

you'd have to ask axl.
but my take on it is that they've rigged this material, both old and new, with buckethead, so it'd take alot of adjustments. they want to do it right, and not bring the fans a half-ass show. axl has never done that, and being the perfectionist that he is, i don't think he ever will, either. he always gives a hundred percent, unlike alot of other artists, who does shows just to get exposure or to make money. just my two cents. peace

[jarmo]

Ask Axl.  




/jarmo

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Ask Axl.  

You mean the "Excuse-Maker"?  
...

Sorry, I felt the need to say that given the title of this thread and the contents of Axl's letter.

[Funeral]

The only one that could replace Bucket is Nigel Tufnel and he is busy doing a heavy metal reggae album with Spinal Tap at the moment. ;Dhttp://www.spinaltapfan.com/articles/guitarworld2.html

Roflmao ;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D

-F

[kockstar99]

My thoughts would be coz...

1. The band has 3 guitar players...it has since 2000

2. playing with only 2 would not be the complete band..
    Even the AFD songs sound better with 3 guitar players.
    AFD was recorded with 2 guitar players but Slash and
    Izzy tracked numerous fills, and rythyms and when the
    cd was "assembled" if you will you actually can hear  
    during parts of some songs 3 guitars playing at once.
   
3. If they had a one show fill in guitar player it would
    show that hes having trouble keeping a band together.

4. Maybe there is no guitar player that he feels could play
    the music to his standards available to step right into
    the band in the next two months.

5. He wants us to hate/blame Brian Carroll for this and
    wants some form of public backlash to occur to punish
    for wasting Axl's time.

6. Maybe(yeah right) hes going to have his new guitar
    player re record Carroll's parts and release the CD
    or a single right away....  

[Death Cube K]

You have a point.

You wouldnt have a point if you were a GNR band member or an associate or Axl himself.

[oneway23]

Some of you here kill me....you know, we were RIIIIGHT on the brink of having CD if it weren't for that dasterdly FREAK Buckethead...I mean, it was right around the corner...it....it just HAD to be...
Scores of musicians come and go in a revolving door, many of whom work AND tour with other bands on a frequent basis with no dilemma whatsoever....it just so happens that when they come in contact with the poor braided victim, they somehow manage to become erratic, inconsistant, and selfish...what could the explaination be?
o..oh that's what it is?  Axl's negative traits that people contantly rationalize and validate to the Nth degree come to affect and rub off on others...I think that sounds reasonable, moreso than "GH is going to have a negative impact on CD."  what do you think?  If there were no GH, you honestly think we would've had a release date?
The world is a cruel, vicious place when W. Axl Rose gets deprived of HIS (egocentric??? certainly not!!!  Off with my head!) opportunity to play RIO for the 3rd time....Never mind those fans that waited in Vancouver, Philly, and RIO who took off work, bought tix, paid gas, tolls, hotel rooms, etc...But nevermind that...Rio is OBVIOUSLY not Axl's fault....he's racked his brain to the edges of sanity, losing countless hours of sleep, in order to devise a plan to get there, but golly gee, you know, he was just left in a lurch, much in the same way that Steven Izzy, Slash, Matt, and Duff have left him so callously in the past....
     The assembly line sure is running dangerously low on blameable parts...But hey, Axl wrote us, his devout fans, a letter, after all, so how could anything resembling guilt possibly rest on his shoulders?  Axl only needed buckethead for a few more overdubs, man, we almost had it....

[chas]

I will simply ask you to explain why Axl is incapable of pulling together a show with two guitarists?  I mean, if hes so distraught over cancelling the show, Im sure two guitarists can handle it...it seemed to have worked for the old band (not to mention nearly every other band).  Is it impossible to recruit a third guitarist for the one performance?  Its still a full two months away...

Id appreciate any explanation/insight/excuses...

Anyone who doesn't read your posts regularly would be entitled to believe your an ignorant person by asking this question. Not us, we know you do it because your still bitter about Slash's departure from GnR.

A rational mind would think that its due to the recent departure of Bucket, and the impact it has had on future live performances or CD. It's not that Axl is incapable of playing with 2 guitarists, its that he chooses not to. It's also extremely obvious that its not impossible to hire another guitarist for a one-off show, again he chooses not to, for further explanation i'd have to refer you to Axl. He calls the shots, not you.

If i get called a Defender or a Excuse-Maker by making my opinions known on this subject, what does that make you? How can a person who wastes his time visiting a forum about a band he doesn't like and posting on subjects he doesn't care about insult us all lolol. Can i call you a Slasheep?


P.S      Guess i'll be getting that quote/paste medicine you like to dish out

[madagas]

The recovery steps for all Axlholics: 1. The new Gnr is 100% about Axl. Get over it. It is not a band-read his letter, they are under "contract"-hired employees. Thus, he is the boss and is responsible for all work product-or lack thereof. Once you accept this fact, then you don't listen to what Dizzy or Tommy or Axl's cat or whoever when they discuss the status of the band. It is meaningless unless Axhole says it-and then it could be meaningless as well. Gnr is now essentially NIN, one person runs it and lineups for tour and recording will change. Nothing wrong with that because different players bring different ideas-creativity-key asset. If you just accept this fact, then the Bucket controversy is moot. 2. Axl is not dependable-never has been and never will be-get over it-accept it-it is the truth. 3. Axl gave you hope in the letter-look to the future-that is all you have. He claims he will give us a release date in a few months. Just wait and see.....

[Death Cube K]

Belive it or not, this is the first time Axl has confirmed a release announcement with his own words. The closest he came was in Rio when he said "we'll be back with a bunch of new songs". He also hinted at a radio if Im not mistaken, but since then he havent mentioned it at all.

Others mentioning a close release are another issue, but this is the first time he mentioned it, and also in written form.

Im not buying it, Im just saying it.

[speed_stone]

hahah word, chas!
booker flooyd is one bitter, ugly man.
get a life and stop insulting people's intelligence.

[madagas]

Before you excuse makers jump in any more, please remember that Axl promised an album from Gnr after Slash left by the summer of 1997. He was going to continue on....the famous "dive in and find the monkey" fax he sent to Mtv about Slash's departure. We have truly come full circle here. If you don't learn from the past, you are doomed to repeat the same mistakes in the future....Our red haired recluse has simply not learned!

[Booker Floyd]

It's not that Axl is incapable of playing with 2 guitarists, its that he chooses not to. It's also extremely obvious that its not impossible to hire another guitarist for a one-off show, again he chooses not to, for further explanation i'd have to refer you to Axl. He calls the shots, not you.

So you concede that it is indeed Axls fault?  He deserves all of the blame for cancelling the show?

If i get called a Defender or a Excuse-Maker by making my opinions known on this subject

I wouldnt call you such based on your post.  I assume you are, but you admitted that Axl can but wont play.  

what does that make you?

Right?

How can a person who wastes his time visiting a forum about a band he doesn't like and posting on subjects he doesn't care about insult us all lolol. Can i call you a Slasheep?

The fact that you feel insulted proves that you fit into the "Defender/Excuse-Maker" demographic.  But youre wrong: I ultimately like this band.  Of course Im here mostly for the old band, and in the process discuss the new one.  It just so happens that everything sucks...dont blame me.  In fact, blame Buckethead.

P.S      Guess i'll be getting that quote/paste medicine you like to dish out

Another person amazed by the quote function...its really not that hard, I promise.

[HoldenCaulfield]

I'm not gonna make excuses for anyone, but in my opinion, this is no different than when Finck left before. It's not like a member of GNR leaving the band is something new. And granted, I think the right thing would have been to either play Lisbon with just Finck and Fortus, or to bring in another guitarist for that show, I can understand why Axl wouldn't just want "some replacement" for the biggest show of the new band's career. It would be generic. Sure, this is terrible news, but it's not the end.

[jarmo]

I ultimately like this band.  Of course Im here mostly for the old band, and in the process discuss the new one.  It just so happens that everything sucks...dont blame me.

There you have it. Everything sucks about the new band yet you keep discussing them.  Isn't that like whining? There can't be anything positive about something that just sucks, can there?

Do you also discuss other things that suck on a daily basis? Just wondering, I try to stay away from things I don't like..... That's why I'm not posting at any The Darkness boards.  



/jarmo