Lisbon...hello? Band and/or management have to speak out NOW!

[conny]

Just a thought about how the rumour of Buckethead leaving could affect ticket sales for the Lisbon show - and fuck up the relationship with the (or at least some) fans forever.

No one knows for sure if Buckethead is in or out. No one knows for sure if Guns N' Roses will perform in Lisbon. No one knows anything for sure, but the faithful ones save and spend their money for that very day, take three days off, call in sick, travel across Europe or whatever...JUST TO SEE THE FUCKING BAND!

Thousands of people come to Lisbon ONLY TO SEE GN'R!!!

Does the band even know that?

For the record, this is not going to be some 20.000+ audience like Philadelphia '02. In Lisbon, there will be about 100.000 people from all over Europe.

What the fuck do you think these people come for that day? Evanescence?

100.000 PEOPLE!!!

100.000 FANS!!!

The band is announced OFFICIALLY on the website and ads in the streets, flyers, ads and posters have their name on. The entire festival is promoted with the Guns N' Roses name, they are HEADLINING THE FESTIVAL along with Paul McCartney and fucking Metallica.

Did the band or the management OFFICIALLY confirm that performance? NO!

Official website, press release, anything? NO!

All we have is the promoters word, and he'd not be the first promoter to be proven wrong.

So still no one knows anything for sure, and the band remains silent.

Don't you think it's REALLY time for the band or their management to speak out NOW? If they can't say anything about Buckethead, they could at least confirm if Guns N' Roses will perform at Lisbon at all or not - whatever line-up it's going to be.

Or...well...or maybe I should just stop fucking caring.

I'd like to hear what the people who already bought (or planned to buy) tickets to Lisbon think about the situation.

I for one am just an unemployed fuck who can not spend 500,- bucks (two tix, two plane tix plus hotel) on a fucking LOTTERY!!!

I'd give my right arm to see this band, but NOT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES!!!!

 

I understand there's probably a lot going on behind the scenes, and that the band is surely very busy with the GH and all at the moment.

But the whole situation is nothing but playing games with the fans, their feelings, their support and their loyalty.

I'm not going to be there, but for me Lisbon remains the last and final deadline.


What's yours?

[jarmo]

The thing is, the band and/or management won't say anything unless the situation changes.

I guess until they say something, GN'R are appearing there.

If they were cancelling, they should've done it as soon as they found out about the show and/or line up changes.

But this band has cancelled shows just hours before they were supposed to start so nothing surprises me anymore.



/jarmo

[RnT]

AGREED 100%

GNR manager ... "wehere aare yoooouuuahhhh??" - COMA

[Caligula13]

it would be nice to hear them say something but it is not really necessery.  i believe that this RiR thing is running and the GNR managment would allow that much publicity in Portugal if it isn`t true.

but i am not going. I am living in germany and it is rather cheap to travel to Portugal with the train but i will not. it is because i don`t belive nothing. if BH left and Axl changes his mind I don`t want to be the idiot who went there to see Evanesence.

But RiR is my deadline. if they don`t show up there, then I see no future.

[darknemus]

Two things.  

A. This is the same GNR management that allowed for the publicity for a European tour (of which, the dates are STILL on gnronline) that never happened because the talent said he 'never knew about it'

B. I love GNR as much as anyone else - but did you HAVE to slip the Evanescence dig in there?  If you go beyond Bring me to Life (The only Amy Lee on vocals version of that track is 10x better, btw) & My Immortal, their material is actually pretty deep.  The chick has can sing like no one's business.  And, come on, give a LITTLE BIT of credit - they are from freaking Little Rock, Arkansas!  If ever there was a bigger mismatch, it would have to be Hard Rock king W. Axl Rose who comes from.... Lafayette Indiana??

Yeah, I like Evanescence.. sue me.

-darknemus

[Mutherfunker]

I think that if they aren't going to be there, we will be told in advance. This isn't the same as the 2002 tour where it was last minute. If they cancel it will be because of this Buckethead thing, and we will be told by management. Just like those european shows that got cancelled.

If Buckethead has left, they seem to either not be bothered and are carrying on as normal, or they are trying to get him back in. I'd think if he was definately out, and it was a problem, they wouldn't be saying 'plans haven't changed' (if you can take anything from that).

Our problem , is that more than ever now, we need some sort of proper statement from management or Axl, and we haven't had one since 2002. Patience has run out. WE NEED TO BE TOLD!

@#$%Muther

[Caligula13]

Two things.  

A. This is the same GNR management that allowed for the publicity for a European tour (of which, the dates are STILL on gnronline) that never happened because the talent said he 'never knew about it'

B. I love GNR as much as anyone else - but did you HAVE to slip the Evanescence dig in there?  If you go beyond Bring me to Life (The only Amy Lee on vocals version of that track is 10x better, btw) & My Immortal, their material is actually pretty deep.  The chick has can sing like no one's business.  And, come on, give a LITTLE BIT of credit - they are from freaking Little Rock, Arkansas!  If ever there was a bigger mismatch, it would have to be Hard Rock king W. Axl Rose who comes from.... Lafayette Indiana??

Yeah, I like Evanescence.. sue me.

-darknemus

Hey Mr. Darknemus, how is the weather in Florida right now?

[darknemus]

Hey Mr. Darknemus, how is the weather in Florida right now?

Umm, like 75 degrees and beautiful - but like, lets get back on topic

(and, its 'd'arknemus - not 'D'arknemus.. there is a difference there  )

-darknemus

[Booker Floyd]

But this band has cancelled shows just hours before they were supposed to start

And hours after, too.

[erose]

The thing is, the band and/or management won't say anything unless the situation changes.

I guess until they say something, GN'R are appearing there.

If they were cancelling, they should've done it as soon as they found out about the show and/or line up changes.

But this band has cancelled shows just hours before they were supposed to start so nothing surprises me anymore.



/jarmo

cool, but since people are travveling from all over the world they have a huge responabillity to inform. when all this shit is going on i mean.

for rir sake too, people might not buy tickets because it's so uncertain if they'll show or not..

it doesn't cost them jack shit to just say "no plans have changed when it comes to lisbon"... they way it is now, we don't know...

[darknemus]

conny, Don't take this the wrong way - but I don't think you quite understand the thing with RIR.

RIR is one of those 'event' type things.. like the olympics, or Lollapalooza, or Ozzfest, or whatever.  Its almost as if the 'event' overshadows the acts performing.

I'm not suggesting that 100,000 people would come to see Evanescence play (or, any specific band) - but that a good # of the people there would be there no matter WHO was performing.  It becomes more about "I was at RIR" than "I saw X band at RIR"

It is my contention that you take ANY band with a reasonable amount of name recognition and throw them in there and they still sell the 100,000 + tickets for that specific day.  And, if you had 'Evanescence' up there right next to Britney Spears & Metallica as the 'headliners' - you wouldn't see one iota of difference in ticket sales, save for about 10 hardcore gunners who decided not to go.

Again, its NOT Evanescence I'm trying to single out here - its the specific 'vibe' RIR gives off.

-darknemus

[DemocracyRose]

I just found this on Mygnrforum.com:

It was said by a brazilian MTV VJ this night..Roberto Medina was trying to find another artist to replace GNR in the festival,but it's not confirmed..it's just a rumour,let's wait some days for real news...........

Well........

[Will]

The thing is, the band and/or management won't say anything unless the situation changes.

I guess until they say something, GN'R are appearing there.

Things should not be this way though. The management should confirm officially any show the band is doing, but should also announce something in case the situation changes. They have (sometimes) the second part ok but the first part is missing since...2002?

[darknemus]

conny, *YOU* might not care about how much of an 'event' RIR is.. but the thing is, the majority of the atendees do.  You, yourself, said that "THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COME JUST TO SEE GNR" - and I say to you, I think you're wrong.  You're talking about a guy who could 1/2 fill most arenas on his last, aborted U.S. tour (MSG being a sellout, yes - and so was Philly - but.. well.. we wont talk about Philly, will we?)

I think you're vastly over-estimating the 'GNR factor' anymore.  Had this been 10 years ago - or even 2 years ago.. then yeah, maybe I'd believe a couple thousand people showed up for no other reason than to see the red headed recluse.  Bottom line is, as of today, as in right now, if you were to poll your prime demographic for concert-goers (16-26 or so) I can pretty much assure you more of them know the name 'Evanescence' than they do 'GNR' - whether you want to blame Axl for that, or the media, or MTV, or the general public, that's fine.

But the fact remains - Axl ain't the draw he used to be.. and bands like Evanescence are becoming the new 'in' thing - regardless of how you or I might feel about it.

-darknemus

[madagas]

Darknemus, the real question is how much Gnr is getting paid to be there......I'll bet it is pretty good money...probably better than "Evanesence". "In" or out...cool or uncool....it is all about the Benjamins.

[Caligula13]

-darknemus

For the sake of the topic - wich isn't about fucking Evanescence or RIR (as a festival) at all - if you want to, then let's just discuss this seperately in "Bad Obsession" or via PM, ok?

 

why don`t we talk about WHAT will happen in Lisboa if the don`t show up. I mean if it is not cancelled and the 100.000 people wait to see them but they don`t show up and then some guy goes on the stage and says: Sorry, but Axl is not here yet...

[Captain P?l]

the RIR managment must be pretty sure to list them. if they DONT show up, what are they gonna do? they just cant erease them, they are a MAIN act! its not like they are taking evanences to be a main performer instead, right?

[erose]

-darknemus

For the sake of the topic - wich isn't about fucking Evanescence or RIR (as a festival) at all - if you want to, then let's just discuss this seperately in "Bad Obsession" or via PM, ok?

 

why don`t we talk about WHAT will happen in Lisboa if the don`t show up. I mean if it is not cancelled and the 100.000 people wait to see them but they don`t show up and then some guy goes on the stage and says: Sorry, but Axl is not here yet...

if they (gnr) don't tell us anything before rir then they will be there, they have too, if not, people will die in the major riots that will happen right after the fucker comes out on stage and says that axl isn't here yet. i'm not very tall so i might get stomped to death  

but what i'm conserned about is when will they confirm? i'm spending more than a thousand bucks on that lisbon trip, and that is only to see gn'r... they better let me know if they're comming...

and i didn't like that rumor above from that brazillian mtv thing...

[erose]

the RIR managment must be pretty sure to list them. if they DONT show up, what are they gonna do? they just cant erease them, they are a MAIN act! its not like they are taking evanences to be a main performer instead, right?

We all know Roberto Medina and axl are close friends, so i think this whole thing was set and sealed because of friendly trust... if axl doesn't show, he will not only fuck his fans in the ass, but also his close friend Roberto Medina.

Now that bucket is gone, i bet Medina is sweating pretty heavily  

[Caligula13]

-darknemus

For the sake of the topic - wich isn't about fucking Evanescence or RIR (as a festival) at all - if you want to, then let's just discuss this seperately in "Bad Obsession" or via PM, ok?

 

why don`t we talk about WHAT will happen in Lisboa if the don`t show up. I mean if it is not cancelled and the 100.000 people wait to see them but they don`t show up and then some guy goes on the stage and says: Sorry, but Axl is not here yet...

if they (gnr) don't tell us anything before rir then they will be there, they have too, if not, people will die in the major riots that will happen right after the fucker comes out on stage and says that axl isn't here yet. i'm not very tall so i might get stomped to death  

but what i'm conserned about is when will they confirm? i'm spending more than a thousand bucks on that lisbon trip, and that is only to see gn'r... they better let me know if they're comming...

and i didn't like that rumor above from that brazillian mtv thing...

well, it doesn`t look like the managment is going to confirm it.  you will have to go there without it. and try to survive the madness if it turns out that Axl didn`t take the rigt plane