Guns N' Roses Files Lawsuit against Greatest Hits

[badapple81]

Who was it that posted the theory a while ago about the GH being the first step to force Axl to release CD? Its all making sense now.

Although I think others have pointed out the same thing, you might be referring to me.  My main 'source' (a word I hate) gets all of his information directly from, well, someone or a group of someones at Geffen.  (No clue who)

He's the one who told me right after IRS happened that it was to be the beginning of the 'twisting of the thumbscrews' to force a release.  As time wound on, I got a few more details - most of which I shared when I could.

Yes, it appears that Geffen have 'reached their wits end' with the red headed recluse.  The last conversation I had with my friend contained a rather telling phrase now, in hindsight.  "Axl's dick isn't as big as he thinks it is".. Interesting conversational fodder, if nothing else.

-darknemus

Thats right Darknemus.. I remember now.. your theory is making so much sense.

I was so confident of huge news leading up to or during RIR4, as Mysteron has been saying to wait, be patient and stay tuned until then.. but now I think there is a HUGE cloud over the future of this release.

Wonder what will happen next.. I dont think Geffen could release CD with Axl's go ahead.. it wouldnt make sense.. without Axl to tour it, throw a few chairs out hotel windows to stir a bit of controversy and hype.. it just wouldnt work.. im sure Axl would have made certain terms about himself approving the release.. otherwise this would have happened sooner..

I think we'll be hearing a lot more from the two camps in the coming weeks that could be massive for the future of GNR.

[DizzyReed63]

Let's look on the bright side of all this...
This is the first we've heard from the GnR camp in a long long time.

And even w/ out GHits, do we really think CD would have seen the light of day anytime soon?
This could be just the push to get Axl to make a statement or take action.
Or it could push him back into his own illusions of creating the perfect record. Probably isn't much inbetween.

Sadly, Geffen has every right to earn some money back. That's their business.

I really hope Axl proves everyone wrong here and throws us for a loop by actually announcing something soon to counter this, or hell, use this publicity to help the new project.

I won't be buying GH, because without band authorization and such, the liner notes and pics will probably just be generic. And why spend 15 dollars for a repackaging of what I've been listening to since 1987?

[matt88]

No way i'm buying that album now

[noizzynofuture]

A statement from Rose's manager added that the greatest-hits set "will hinder the release of the band's long-awaited new studio album, 'Chinese Democracy."'

IMO, this is the most important quote to come out of this mess as it sounds like the only ammunition axl has is to threaten to withhold Chinese Democracy.  And it sounds like he is going to use this ammunition to spite Geffen and screw the fans.

When the album comes out on The 23rd there's nothing left for axl to debate.  Release the CD as there's no reason to continue crying over an album that's hit the market.

I also agree with Booker, axl brought this on himself and the record company is not the villain.  7 Years and 10-13 million would fry anyone's patience.

For those who say it was close to being released, I think geffen knew it wasn't and that's why they proceeded with GH.

  to Geffen for trying to light a fire under this project.

[SLCPUNK]

A statement from Rose's manager added that the greatest-hits set "will hinder the release of the band's long-awaited new studio album, 'Chinese Democracy."'

IMO, this is the most important quote to come out of this mess as it sounds like the only ammunition axl has is to threaten to withhold Chinese Democracy.  And it sounds like he is going to use this ammunition to spite Geffen and screw the fans.

When the album comes out on The 23rd there's nothing left for axl to debate.  Release the CD as there's no reason to continue crying over an album that's hit the market.

I also agree with Booker, axl brought this on himself and the record company is not the villain.  7 Years and 10-13 million would fry anyone's patience.

For those who say it was close to being released, I think geffen knew it wasn't and that's why they proceeded with GH.

  to Geffen for trying to light a fire under this project.

Yup. Just release the album and quit making excuses for everything.

[SlashFan]

Damn,I can't believe I read all 10 pages of this,atleast it was new news.Anyways,I don't think I will buy the GH now,I was going to,but now I don't think so.I mean,it's not right,but I guess that doesn't mean shit.

Anyways,whoever really thinks Axl/GN'R care about their fans are kidding themselves,but that's just what I think,maybe they do care,but I doubt it.That's all.

[grog mug]

Very Very important article here.  I love every bit of it, it is going to let the fire under Axl's ass.  The only payback is releasing Chinese Democracy right away and touring the fuck out of it to prove to Geffen that Axl still has it!

[SlashFan]

Very Very important article here.  I love every bit of it, it is going to let the fire under Axl's ass.  The only payback is releasing Chinese Democracy right away and touring the fuck out of it to prove to Geffen that Axl still has it!

I agree with you,it is interesting

[John Daniels]

What a mess..what I can get out of this is that first of all there is a big possibility for not to see Axl and co. at Rock In Rio 4 and second of all we don't need to expect the CD releasing soon. This whole mess with the label isn't good at all. It will delay CD and it will give more job for Axl with his fighting with the label.  

[TealaRose]

I have to go the opposite on this one. I think this means we will never see or hear CD. You push Axl Rose, he pushes back (even if you are a record label). You can bet your collective asses that Axl made damn SURE Geffen did not get the CD masters, and that there is something in his contract that says he has final approval.

I think Geffen pushed, and Axl is gonna push back by killing CD. It's not like he needs the money. No album, no tour, no RIR4, no GnR and I, for one, don't blame him. I know I wll get flamed to death for this, but 80% of his "fans" don't deserve to ever hear Chinese Democracy.

Flame on People!

[grog mug]

I'll be the first to flame you...You have the same Axl picture by your name as me!

[Finn-k?ki]

Mysteron: Do you think that Axl / Geffen can still work together after this GH- thing? Will the tour be canceled? Axl failed to release CD??? What is happening down there?

[grog mug]

Mysteron, please give us any information on the GN'R's plan to release Chinese Democracy.  We are all awaiting any kind of news regarding its release.  Good question, will the band still tour and actually promote a product or are plans to release it after the tour?

[SLCPUNK]

80% of his "fans" don't deserve to ever hear Chinese Democracy.

How so?

[grog mug]

"Every year there's been a new reason why Axl is not done with the record," the source told Reuters, adding that Geffen went ahead with the greatest-hits package only because Rose failed to come through with "Chinese Democracy." "Had he delivered this record like he promised seven years ago, this would not be happening right now."

Axl release Chinese Democracy everything is in your favor to release it the GN'R name is back out there so go for it this time!

[Mysteron]

Mysteron, please give us any information on the GN'R's plan to release Chinese Democracy.  We are all awaiting any kind of news regarding its release.  Good question, will the band still tour and actually promote a product or are plans to release it after the tour?

Sanctuary will not move forward with CD until the Greatest Hits action has been resolved. How that affects everything, I don't know......and I am not going to ask at the moment as I would assume that the offices of Sanctuary are being bombarded with many questions from the press

[Mysteron]

Mysteron: Do you think that Axl / Geffen can still work together after this GH- thing? Will the tour be canceled? Axl failed to release CD??? What is happening down there?

Who knows. What would you do if you were Axl in this situation?

[Platoon]

I only read the first 2 pages of this thread so what im about to say has probably already been said...LOL

Axl brought all this on his self!!!!!!!!! No one to blame but Axl!!!!!!!! I cant believe GEFFEN has been this good to Axl! I mean shit! What record company would give any fucking body 7 years and 13 $million$ to record an album???

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

knowing that AWL hates GEFFEN now.
well that is just so goooood news.

RIO is in 2 months.
we're fucked.

i remember axl saying something about how geffen doesnt care about old bands anymore, and how they just want to release a one-hit wonder band and then let them fall.
it was on a radio interview, like in 2002.
guess they already were against each other.

i guess all this wait, since rio 2001, was just legal issues.

axl was already having problem releasing his cd, now that he got his record company hating him, that is just worst ....

we will see..... but i dont see CD coming out before RIO ....

i also ask why didnt axl try to seek help from us, i mean, he knows we're loyal fans and all, he should have asked for our help, like an offcial petition he could bring to court ...
 

[GNROSAS]

I guess the new band mambers must be paid hell of a lot for staying in this Chinese Democracy project that is almost inactive for years now. I guess after this lawsuit and delay of CD if they still stay must be all about money.

What a Fiasco GNR Has Become!!!!!!!!!!