Valid Info and Some Hope

[misterID]

If it's a label vs label thing, that they want CD and Contraband out at the same time, why is the label releasing the greatest hits?

That's why this rumor  makes no sense. If the label wants CD to be released in a few months why are they going to potentially damage the product with a shoddy Greatest Hits that Axl does not want? Especially when a lawsuit would further delay CD.

Not unless they are trying to play up a feud. Like reminding everyone of who was in the old line up before, knowing its going to be mentioned when VR releases Contraband. That could make the label money off VR's release... The kids who really don't know who Slash and Duff are get into VR, and kind of discover old GNR for the first time... And the talent of a guy named Axl Rose... You never know.

[Acquiesce]

Not unless they are trying to play up a feud. Like reminding everyone of who was in the old line up before, knowing its going to be mentioned when VR releases Contraband. That could make the label money off VR's release... The kids who really don't know who Slash and Duff are get into VR, and kind of discover old GNR for the first time... And the talent of a guy named Axl Rose... You never know.

They could start a "feud" by simply announcing a release date that is very close to VR's, or even the same day. That is the simplest and cheapest way to create a battle of the bands, so to speak, between the two of them.

[misterID]

Not unless they are trying to play up a feud. Like reminding everyone of who was in the old line up before, knowing its going to be mentioned when VR releases Contraband. That could make the label money off VR's release... The kids who really don't know who Slash and Duff are get into VR, and kind of discover old GNR for the first time... And the talent of a guy named Axl Rose... You never know.

They could start a "feud" by simply announcing a release date that is very close to VR's, or even the same day. That is the simplest and cheapest way to create a battle of the bands, so to speak, between the two of them.

That's true, but also it could be an attempt to cash in even more. Like: "instead of just releasing CD, we could release a greatest hits and tap into the excitement of VR's release, and the feud between the two."

It's all speculation, but that's all we have.

[badgirl]

girl-- i agree with you, i don't understand the dynamics of these record companies either. I don't know why GH would be a problem if they are looking to promote the rivalry aspect. But i also think that in life, the most simple explanation to things is probably the most accurate. Therefore, i don't buy the idea that Axl is faking the protest about GH- it's just too much. From all we know of Axl, he is an honest, up-front guy. It just doesn't seem his style to be BSing people with some made-up feud...

[Acquiesce]

That's true, but also it could be an attempt to cash in even more. Like: "instead of just releasing CD, we could release a greatest hits and tap into the excitement of VR's release, and the feud between the two."

It's all speculation, but that's all we have.

True, anything is definitely possible with this band but I'm trying to look at this from Geffen's perspective and it doesn't make a load of sense. Geffen has poured millions of dollars into this project and has been waiting 13 years for a new studio album and the first thing they do when they learn CD is finished is release a GH? I have a hard time believing that. They should be shouting from the rooftops that CD is ready because at this point that's the only way to resurrect interest in the band.

girl-- i agree with you, i don't understand the dynamics of these record companies either. I don't know why GH would be a problem if they are looking to promote the rivalry aspect. But i also think that in life, the most simple explanation to things is probably the most accurate. Therefore, i don't buy the idea that Axl is faking the protest about GH- it's just too much. From all we know of Axl, he is an honest, up-front guy. It just doesn't seem his style to be BSing people with some made-up feud...

I totally agree. I don't think Axl would fake a protest if he didn't mean it. There are so many other ways to go about getting publicity that wouldn't make him look bad. Did your friend mention whether or not if CD was turned over to the record company?

[badgirl]

Girl-- she didn't mention that, only that it was "completed". i don't know if she would know specifics like that. the only people who would care to ask that are fanatic losers like us ( ) so i doubt it would even occur to her to ask anyone that question, you know?

[Acquiesce]

I was just wondering because you said it's done but they may retouch some things which sounds like it's not in their hands, but if it's actually scheduled for a release in the next few months  it should be in their hands by now.    I don't know all this stuff is confusing.

OK so here is a new theory. The label wants GNR's release to coincide with VR's but Axl has yet to turn it over so they are doing the GH in protest.

[badgirl]

girl, that sounds legit. if you hand the album over, can you get it back to work on it some more? if we had inside info on this shit, it would make navigating all this info a lot easier...

[Mutherfunker]

Well I'm hoping we do have inside info...

Mysteron - "Management are currently planning the details of release for CD. As of a couple of days ago, there was no release date for CD, it had not been decided. As it stands, they may finalise details next week (hypothetically speaking), and go public a few days after that. They could, however, finalise details in, say, three weeks, and go public a few days after that. The problem is is that I am not part of this planning process, so I do not know how close to finalising thing they are"

I believe him as he has proved himself enough time before. This means the album is done and ready to roll.

I'm hoping this is the case, and GH is just a small precursor to CD

@#$%Muther

[Doc Emmett Brown]

OK so here is a new theory. The label wants GNR's release to coincide with VR's but Axl has yet to turn it over so they are doing the GH in protest.

this might be the case. What I dont get is - the label should be able to just take the damn CD away from Axl since they are.. well, the fukin label rt??

Since the label is funding the whole thing, dont they have the right to say "Hand over the master, Mr W Axl Rose"?

[metallex78]

If it's a label vs label thing, that they want CD and Contraband out at the same time, why is the label releasing the greatest hits?

I think it makes allot of sense actually.

What better way to hype up both releases by putting out a "best of" from what members from both bands have done previously.
It's a good way of making the public aware of them again.

[Acquiesce]

girl, that sounds legit. if you hand the album over, can you get it back to work on it some more? if we had inside info on this shit, it would make navigating all this info a lot easier...

Yeah, we need someone who at least knows the music business and how the release process goes.

this might be the case. What I dont get is - the label should be able to just take the damn CD away from Axl since they are.. well, the fukin label rt??

Since the label is funding the whole thing, dont they have the right to say "Hand over the master, Mr W Axl Rose"?

You know, that is a great point. I would think they would have that right, but I guess they were trying to avoid a legal battle at all costs. Although now they may be heading there anyway.

[badgirl]

you know what guys, i just read Dark's thread and i believe what he is saying. i don't doubt my info but if Axl hasn't actually handed over CD, then it would make sense to try and sort of blackmail him with the GH... now i am feeling pessimistic again..
seems like a finished product is the least of our problems right now...

[misterID]

Another theory could be... They have always planned to release a Greatest Hits album around the same time as Chinese Democracy. CD was planned to be released earlier, but it went back for some touch ups, so the greatest hits CD  was yanked, but the DVD's (remember they didn't want the DVD's released either) went ahead and were released because they had already been pressed along with the Greatest Hits. This could mean CD, theoretically, is in their hands right now.

[ktucker450]

Okay, i don't think YOU are bullshitting or anything, however I do not believe it for one second.  And my reason is everytime i believe stuff like this my hopes just get down, i can't live with the dissapointment anymore.  I won't even believe it if Axl came out and said that as well.  Shouldn't believe nething in GN'R land, many believable rumours have come along and when we've believed them it's always came back to bite us in the ass.

[killingvector]

everything is speculation at this point. i don't really subscribe to any theory but i'm more partial to the ones portending disaster for guns n roses.

[Bubba St. Rose]

I don't know why people are dogging the idea of a greatest hits. If you ask me, and no one has   Axl and company have gotten a lot of mainstream press and attention on this already. That can only be positive because it's getting the GNR name out to the general buying public that might not even know axl is still around. The news has been on E!, MTV, Washington Times, Billboard, ect., ect. The only problem with all the stories is how they make fun of the "never ending recording of Chinese Democracy." That's not good. That makes it look like a joke.
Just my two cents.

[jazjme]

I have been going through all these "related threads" and I have been going from swinging one way or another..........(kinda feel like I do about who I want for president, for the US). ANd it has occured to me that in a way we:DIE HARD FANS, are looking into this with such passion as if we are "voting" and this is the most crucial thing  and hell ,I find it pretty cool.

NOW my Point:

I was at MSG the last stop of the CHINESE DEMOCRACY TOUR, and oh shit did it rock. I knew back then that that show was going to be a turing point. DO I know what happened after? Nothing more than anyone else here. But After that what did we have?

A complete yr of silence, nothing.

Now I am like what the fuck everywhere I go I am reading about or hearing about GNR , and THAT my friends is not something that has happened in a long time. DO I want a greatest hits as presented...........NO not really but on the other hand , the truth is there are so many out there that have yet to have expierienced GNR.

I have a good friend in FL who has a son who is 13 now and he has gotten into rock music, and is learning the Guitar and he gave me a shout in an IM and we were chatting and I asked him if he knew about GNR , and he didnt.............well I told him if your serious about learning rock music for guitar to learn about them.

And I thought , wait this may not be a bad thing,
we as die hards dont want it but I am sure there are countless other 13-18 yr olds out there that Never heard GNR , and the GH record really only has those songs that were" hits".(Estranged , Coma, and others rule, but were not "hits")

But what I see is that it could really open up new fans and remind past fans about them again, and really could be a positive force to get people into the new band , I say this only if as we get closer to the GH CD that the record company, a week before hand or so tout the band and add a line such as: GNR greatest hits from yesterday , see what started this, and on **/**/** get ready for something you never will forget ...................how GNR will kick you ass again...................look out for CHINESE DEMOCRACY! SOON!!!!!!

what do I know

[Chuzeville]

Just a thought : hasn't Contraband been recently pushed back a week ? It could be a way to fit into the marketing plan described in the original post...
If the idea is to release CD and Contraband at the same time, then it makes perfect sense to have a GH out beforehand to show to the younger audience where both these bands are coming from.  

[BucketRose]

Just a thought : hasn't Contraband been recently pushed back a week ? It could be a way to fit into the marketing plan described in the original post...

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Oh for Chrissake.....