Axl now has a valid excuse to never release C.D.

[Izzy]

And goddamn....Buckethead was literally THE DARLING of this forum a scant three months ago....second only in popularity to the redhaired one.  I'd hate to see what would happen to any of the other members if they were to quit GnR....would there be threads calling for a lynching....petitions to email the ex-bandmember and issue death threats?  

Whether u agree with Axelrod or not he is right in this regard: People turned on Buckethead in a flash after previoulsy professing their love for him.

[jarmo]

Oh come on. It's a fucking rock band, not some UFO cult living in a house waiting for the mothership.

Some people are more passionate about stuff like their favorite band or football team.

So what if some people support GN'R through everything? How does it affect your life? Does it bother you that much?

If people want to defend Axl, let them, it's their life. It's not like it's hurting anyone.....

In case you haven't noticed, all artists have that kind of fans.


/jarmo

[axelrod]

You're saying REALITY   +         =      

and

 2x4 UPSIDE THE HEAD   +         =        ?


How disheartening!!!  

[jarmo]

No, I'm saying I don't care if people worship Axl, Slash, Izzy, Chris Pittman or whatever.



/jarmo

[gnrgoblue]

Oh come on. It's a fucking rock band, not some UFO cult living in a house waiting for the mothership.

Some people are more passionate about stuff like their favorite band or football team.

So what if some people support GN'R through everything? How does it affect your life? Does it bother you that much?

If people want to defend Axl, let them, it's their life. It's not like it's hurting anyone.....

In case you haven't noticed, all artists have that kind of fans.


/jarmo

If this was directed my way: I am in total agreement with you. It doesn't affect my life at all. I just ignore this board's Flat-Earth Society. I was merely advising Axelrod to take the same approach. I am promoting peace and understanding.

[jarmo]

I understand that some people might find it stupid how certain fans are so dedicated that they'll always defend their idol.

But that's just the way it is. I don't understand how pointing it out to them is going to change anything.

I think it would be really boring if everyone was the same....


/jarmo

[erose]

I understand that some people might find it stupid how certain fans are so dedicated that they'll always defend their idol.

But that's just the way it is. I don't understand how pointing it out to them is going to change anything.

I think it would be really boring if everyone was the same....


/jarmo

if all of the gn'r fans where the same this board would be really fucking boring thats for sure, at least now i for one get alot of cool opinions, and i'm the first to admit that some of the views i read change the ones i have made up myself...

i think that the guns n roses name has almost become a joke, if it hadn't been for the "new" songs we have heard i would for sure be calling axl a fucking joke, but he's not, those songs proove that... he's just troubled i guess  

now that bucket is gone doesn't mean i will turn on him tho, just like i haven't turned on slash, izzy or any of the others... i even listen to the guilby shit and i will keep on checking up on bucket and his new stuff and i really hopw e to see him live some time!

when it comes to borland i will share my two sents and say that i don't want him in gn'r, but what the does my two cents count for?!? nothing...

...............

and yeah, i found that first post funny....  

[gnrgoblue]

I understand that some people might find it stupid how certain fans are so dedicated that they'll always defend their idol.

But that's just the way it is. I don't understand how pointing it out to them is going to change anything.

I think it would be really boring if everyone was the same....


/jarmo

Jarmo,

I don't want to be a pain in the ass, since I respect that this is your board and you can make the rules, but I want say that I wasn't pointing out the obsession to the obsesser, but rather just to Axelrod.

And, for what it's worth, what Axelrod was trying to say, I think, is that many posters on this board have stepped way, way beyond the normal boundries of fandom and into the creepy realm of obsession. You used the word "idol" in your post. I am a fan of many authors, musicians and a few sports teams (Go Blue!) but I do not idolize any of them. Idolizing is not a particularly healthy pasttime.

What makes all this relevant is that since many of the intelligent posters this board once had have moved on and we are left with a disproportionate amount of idolizing obsessers, it's become increasingly difficult to have a fair, rational, intelligent discussion about anything. You're obviously a smart guy and I don't imagine you want this board to become an endless list of incoherent threads about how wonderful Axl is and how perfect every decision he makes is.

In short, I think the future quality of this board is at stake when minority opinion holders (including Axelrod and myself) get attacked and eventually chased off by the throng of irrational worshippers who can't stand the idea of anyone disagreeing. At the very least, Axelrod was polite, and that makes it worth consideration.

This is, overall, a great community you've got here, Jarmo. It's just getting rough to have a dissenting opinion.

[Slashly]

I can?t say it wasn?t funny but....well, nevermind

[jarmo]

This is a GN'R board. Axl is in the band, so you're always gonna have Axl fans posting here.

If you go to a Slash forum, chances are that they're not gonna be the most objective people discussing Slash. Same goes for every artist.

If people are leaving because they're tired of discussing the band with people with a different opinion, there's not much I can do about that.



/jarmo

[Dont Try Me]

The problem is that these "joke" kinda topics are getting boring...old....we've readed/ seen them million times. A joke like this...well...it is funny at a certain level but not if it gets repeated over the time beeing by enough people on the board.

If you (axlrod) want fans to react properly you should make a topic which is more seriously and objective. That way the fans respond more objectively. And you can't see if someone says "you stupid fuck" like I did, if someone is capable of discussing subjects in a proper, civil manner.

If you make a topic that is intelligent, interesting, from a new point of view, people will react in the same category. Don't expect otherwise. We all see the things that went wrong. We've heard you (axlrod), but if it gets milked over and over well...go figure.

[Skunk]

"a valid excuse"??

i love the way people insist that Axl cares or is worried about the few fans watching the development of new GNR. most people ofcourse aren't thinking about it at all. only some of us are (not nearly enough to effect the kind of sales he must have in mind).
the people he cares about how they think of him, those are the people currently ignoring him, and he knows that. he's worried only about when he DOES release it, and then is finally judged by the masses (masses = massive sales).

[K-Rock]

This axelrod clown reminds me of that homophobe Danny.

I for one am feeling all fuzzy inside that this dork who spent ALOT of time and energy on this WONDERFUL thread.........has deleted himself.

Yes, Axl likes to blame everybody else for his troubles.....but no need to get so worked up   about it...........geez  

[badapple81]

No, I'm saying I don't care if people worship Axl, Slash, Izzy, Chris Pittman or whatever.


/jarmo

Jarmo thank you! Now I can come out of the closet! It's okay to worship Chris Pittman!  

It's right in saying that while many lost interest or decided Axl is a dick and dont bother to keep up with GNR anymore, Axl has a group of loyal fans here (like myself) who support Axl through whatever - people have to expect that. To come on and just bag people out (and yes bag out the contradictions) for defending Axl all the time is just beating a Dead Horse cos we wont change.

For the record, I bagged out Bucket after he left, but I never said I liked him in the first place, I just accepted that he was in the band and there was no point in bagging because it wont change anything, so I just got over it and enjoyed the new GNR for what it was.

Finally, whether Axl has an excuse or not, we all know, and he has been quoted, that he doesnt think that the fans or anyone owns him or that he owes anyone. He will do things as he wants. That is Axl, or what I think is Axl.

[echrisl]

I liked it ... good for a laugh anyways ... it's been too slow around here for the last week or two.

[Axl4Prez2004]

I must say that I did get a good chuckle out of this post.  
  I loved the copies of Chinese Democracy being buried off in eastern Europe or Russia...funny stuff.  
  Everybody lighten up.  Seriously, with Axl, there's always that 1% chance of ANYTHING happening.  
 

[Mattman]

I always enjoy the funny stuff that comes into this message board...it shows a creativity and a willingness to stop worrying and have fun while waiting for CD to come out.  It's like playing a game in the car during a long road trip - a diversion to help pass the time.

[echrisl]

It's like playing a game in the car during a long road trip - a diversion to help pass the time.

*taps on shoulder*  Are we there yet?  

[noonespecial]

Well I like Jarmo's stance on all this...personally I think it would be pretty boring around here if everyone was realistic about Axl, his choices, and the consequences of those choices...I'm actually hopeful he'll read one of those posts and realizes how blessed he really is...
Your always going to have fanatics (regardless of what band you're talking about) so just deal....

I actually printed out the press release...can someone tell me, where in this press release does he take any responsibility ...is it this line:

..."I MAY have done Guns a disservice and unintentionally allowed Guns to be put in this position..."

That's the only line in the whole thing that I could find that comes close (keyword is CLOSE) to acknowledging any kind of accountability...and not a very certain one at that...but hey it's a start

Happy Friday!  

[matt88]

What the fuck r u smoking boy