If CD is as bad as Contraband, I'll kill myself

[younggunner]

Guns would be nothing without the original line-up, Izzy was a great songwriter, Slash with his solos

NO1 is disputing that

not the cover band that call themeselves Guns N' Roses.

When they release 3 albums of their own material, and they tour on that material, are they still a cover band?

[Booker Floyd]

Whoa.... slow down there, buddy.

"November Rain" might be the most lyrically complex song of 90's rock.

Let me just say you're WAY off if you think that song is about a girl.

I think this is an example of the main reason why people make the mistake of putting shit like "Nevermind" on the same level as the "Use Your Illusions" albums. They limit their experience of music to their ears, while excluding their minds.

...

So like I said, its a pretty simple song, lyrically.

[charl!edontsurf]

Of course they aren't a cover band after three albums... but when you have zero albums and you play more "covers" than originals, you may, more often than not, be called a cover band.

[Falcon]

I think this is an example of the main reason why people make the mistake of putting shit like "Nevermind" on the same level as the "Use Your Illusions" albums. They limit their experience of music to their ears, while excluding their minds.

Uh, informed people don't put "shit like "Nevermind" on the same level as the "Use Your Illusions" albums." for good reason.

One changed the face of music, the other(s) didn't.

[estranged.1098]

One changed the face of music, the other(s) didn't.

Eh... I don't listen to AfD to this day because it changed "the face of music" when it was released so this argument is pretty weak.

[Falcon]

One changed the face of music, the other(s) didn't.

Eh... I don't listen to AfD to this day because it changed "the face of music" when it was released so this argument is pretty weak.

There's no argument, so "weak" is irrelevent.

[younggunner]

Of course they aren't a cover band after three albums... but when you have zero albums and you play more "covers" than originals, you may, more often than not, be called a cover band.

Ok?
If you want to call gnr a cover band after that last tour, go for it. When its all said and done, they have their own musical contributions to share.

[YouCouldBeMine]

I think this is an example of the main reason why people make the mistake of putting shit like "Nevermind" on the same level as the "Use Your Illusions" albums. They limit their experience of music to their ears, while excluding their minds.

Uh, informed people don't put "shit like "Nevermind" on the same level as the "Use Your Illusions" albums." for good reason.

One changed the face of music, the other(s) didn't.

Grunge sucks, and Nirvana was/is WAY over rated. Not to beat a dead horse but Kobain was a pussy who couldn't handle his own demons.

[Falcon]

I think this is an example of the main reason why people make the mistake of putting shit like "Nevermind" on the same level as the "Use Your Illusions" albums. They limit their experience of music to their ears, while excluding their minds.

Uh, informed people don't put "shit like "Nevermind" on the same level as the "Use Your Illusions" albums." for good reason.

One changed the face of music, the other(s) didn't.

Grunge sucks, and Nirvana was/is WAY over rated. Not to beat a dead horse but Kobain was a pussy who couldn't handle his own demons.

That's your opinion, which is fine.

However, musical history doesn't share your point of view and does/will continue to reflect that.

 

[D]

nirvana ushered in what i like to call the "fuckin poser era"

i wonder what nirvana die hards listen to these days? i say half the grunge crowd started dancing like backstreet and timberlake

nothing worse than rich kids acting poor, being poor i took that as a fuckin insult



anyhow nr moves me, fallin topieces doesnt, however ygnr and lta do move me, but ftp is just not happening for me like i thought it would

[justynius]

Whoa.... slow down there, buddy.

"November Rain" might be the most lyrically complex song of 90's rock.

Let me just say you're WAY off if you think that song is about a girl.

I think this is an example of the main reason why people make the mistake of putting shit like "Nevermind" on the same level as the "Use Your Illusions" albums. They limit their experience of music to their ears, while excluding their minds.

...

So like I said, its a pretty simple song, lyrically.

Well, you're wrong again, but I guess there's no point in talking about "November Rain" when Contraband just came out with classics like "Fall to Pieces"...

Fall to pieces, I'm falling
Fell to pieces, and I'm still falling

I don't know how anyone could confuse this level of genius as simplistic. Weiland's explicit command of the past and present tense is enough to make your head spin.

You know... Slash clearly put a lot of effort into the guitar parts for that song, probably something he's been working on for a while. I'm surprised Slash fans aren't a bit annoyed at the way Weiland butchered the song. Maybe they can put together another reality television show to document their search for a legitimate songwriter.

[Neemo]

Nirvana were far from posers.  Cobain and Co. changed the face of rock and roll and their influence remains today.  Kurt wrote amazing lyrics and beautifully simple and catchy songs.  Along with PearlJam, Soundgarden and AIC they appealed to a whole generation (Me Included).  Kids couldn't identify with an high octane, drug induced, sex-fest of glam rock any longer.  Instead they were in tune with the anger and depression of grunge. That was the reason for the change in scenery of rock & roll. IMO. But hey this (post or site) is far from a grunge discussion place so why is it always broought up.  G'n'R was as far from the grunge bands of the early '90's as you can get. We should stay on topic

And to say that Weiland is a terrible song writer?  Come on, Scott is a musical genius. He has it all. Wasn't it stated in an interview somewhere that he took all the VR songs apart and reconstructed them around his lyrics? anyway I thought I read that.  regardless throughout his career I thought he's been able to come up with amazing lyrics. And I don't think that you can exactly say Weiland doesn't have any vocal range.  I think he's one of the most talented singers I will see in my lifetime. But,hey, thats just my opinion

[Mutherfunker]

Nirvana didn't change shit. They were the most popular grunge band , yes. But they didn't change shit on their own, and Nevermind didn't change shit on it's own.

If you wanna delude yourself that Kurt came up with something different that no other band had done before, and hence caused a revolution in the blink of an eye then you're doing a huge disservice to the other grunge bands of the time.

Also, although Nirvana were popular and part of the grunge revolution before Kurts death, his death along with the Nevermind album became symbols of that era. So leading to them being used as the main point of reference when people look at what someone called "musical history".

There have been many changes to the music scene over the years and they should show how being the pioneer of a style or sound, or part of a movement is not the  same as being the most popular band of a movement.

Next someone will be telling me the Sex Pistols were responsible for punk and changed music forever.  

@#$%Muther

[Neemo]

Nirvana didn't change shit. They were the most popular grunge band , yes. But they didn't change shit on their own, and Nevermind didn't change shit on it's own.

If you wanna delude yourself that Kurt came up with something different that no other band had done before, and hence caused a revolution in the blink of an eye then you're doing a huge disservice to the other grunge bands of the time.

Not only were they the most popular.  But the FIRST to make it.  Then the others started to follow suit. And music did pretty much do a 180 because like I said glam rock was the way (Tesla, Poison, Warrant, G'n'R, Ozzy, Etc) screechey solos and high pitched singing was no longer 'cool' and monotone singing and simpler guitar riffs were. and,from what i remember, it was "overnight".

and I did say along with the other grunge bands, Nirvana appealed to a new generation of listeners

[jarmo]

i wonder what nirvana die hards listen to these days?

Nirvana, Mark Lanegan, QOTSA, NIN, Depeche Mode, Pearl Jam, Audioslave, VR, GN'R.....  


Do we NEED another Nirvana thread?

Some of you sure love to talk about Nirvana in the Guns N' Roses section.  


/jarmo

[Neemo]

Sorry jarmo! won't happen again.

[justynius]

Do we NEED another Nirvana thread?

Sorry, that was my fault.

I mentioned Nirvana's "Nevermind" because the basis of that album seems to be limited to sound while ignoring any thought stimulating lyrical merit. Only the sound and never the mind.   Because of the lyrical limitations on "Nevermind" compared to the complex lyrics in most of the "Use Your Illusions" songs like November Rain, I thought the Nirvana/GN'R comparison might be a viable analogy to what is holding back "Contraband."

I had no idea it would spin this thread off into hysterical insanity.