boycott contraband

[jarmo]

somebody help me out here...

of course VR is for fun too! it's just a much more series band now. The guys are through with staying underground. They got that off their chests. Now it's time to reach the masses again like they did with Gn'R. Why is that so hard to understand??

Maybe because they say they're a "dangerous" band. For me being dangerous doesn't mean you do all the things you have to to get popular.

What's more dangerous, to make a video and a show about it on MTV2 or no video at all?

I really hope these guys aren't gonna start compromising because they want to rule the world...



/jarmo

[Top-Hatted One]

what do u want then? a boring anti-everything band that gives it's fan nothing?

How is VR selling out? They not doing what metallica did! and make a solo-less album with a nu-metal sound. The music, which is the main thing is still the same. Vocals, guitars, drums, bass and lots of solos? and lots of dirty songs unlike the usual 'You were born to be my baby' you get from bands like Bon Jovi.

[Booker Floyd]

I really hope these guys aren't gonna start compromising because they want to rule the world...

 

Is doing interviews to promote an album anything new?  

GNR didnt do interviews?  Videos?  "Making Of" those videos?  "Behind-the-scenes" at their concerts with MTV?

[Booker Floyd]

They not doing what metallica did! and make a solo-less album with a nu-metal sound.

Another unfair comment.  St. Anger didnt have a "nu-metal sound," and it was hardly "commercial".  The lack of solos is disappointing to most fans, however it certainly doesnt mean theyre selling out.  Its just a bad artistic move.  That album was very un-commercial, with very long songs and none being a distinct single.

[madagas]

Well they did up until about 1992 when Axhole decided to shut out the entire rest of the world.. I think your boy Weiland would serve himself better by not talking to the press.

[Acquiesce]

I'm so tired of the "sell-out" label that gets tossed around just because people they may not agree with a band handle things. I'm not just referring to VR, it's just unwarranted 99% of the time that it is used.

I think whoever said VR wants to rule is wrong to a degree. I don't think VR are too concerned with being on top, but obviously they'd like to be successful. I mean who doesn't want to have success? Overall, they are in this band for their love of playing music.

I can't really see how anyone would criticize them for their promotional tactics. Does that really make them less "dangerous" or less of a serious band? They're just trying to get their music heard - which is the goal of every musician out there.

What is a dangerous band anyway? It's just a silly label that doesn't matter, but you can easily argue that they are a "dangerous" band simply for the fact that they are not recording your typical radio friendly material. They're ignoring trends to make the music they are comfortable making.

In the end, it's only their music that matters. If you enjoy the music then who cares how they handle promotion or what labels they use? It's all about the music.

[Top-Hatted One]

"I think whoever said VR wants to rule is wrong to a degree. I don't think VR are too concerned with being on top, but obviously they'd like to be successful. I mean who doesn't want to have success? Overall, they are in this band for their love of playing music."

yeah i was exaggerating....

Booker brought up a good point...Gn'R was a promotional machine!! you've seen interviews were Slash talks about how in the early days he used to tear other bands concert flyers off the wall and put their flyers there instead because it was 'pay to play' in LA at the time so as Slash said they had to fight tooth and nails just to get a gig. They didn't become the world biggest most dangerous band by accident!

[madagas]

Girl, IT IS RADIO FRIENDLY! That is my problem with Slither. It is clearly pandering to a modern rock format-(which is complete shit by the way). The tone of the guitars during the riffs is straight up cheesy and sounds like shit-weak shit. The song itself is structurally adequate and the solo is good, but the tone of the guitars was tweaked to sound more "modern". It is not classic Slash tone at all. There is absolutely no edge to it at all.

[axl_rose_700]

BRAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA. I return to this board for the first time in like 8 months and DaveGnR3K9 is still posting his usual stuff.  Remember when I offered you a bet in 2002 that CD wouldn't come out by July 4, 2003? Ah the good ol' days.  Face facts, bud.  VR is red hot. Slither is lighting up the airwaves at top stations that wouldn't even play the new GnR.  The band is selling out all shows quickly. The album will be a hit. I have friends that have heard most tracks and all agree it rocks hard.  I could give two shits  if Duff and Slash sue Axl. Hell, he deserves it for ruining the greatest band in rock.  Now that bucketboy has deserted town too along with the other 75 before him, I would''ve thought that maybe, just maybe, you'd see the light.  By your post here, I guess the answer is a resounding "no".  I honestly believet that you are indeed Axl Rose.  If so - put out an album already!

This is the exact type of post I expected when I saw your name.  Friends who have heard the album? Who would that be? Wouldn't happen to be people close to VR would it? Cuz if so, I really appreciate their unbiased opinion.

Contraband rocks hard? BWAHAHA,  you must be talking about the other 12 tracks, the ones that only your friends conveniently heard, not whats been made available.  

Stop comparing VR to Axl...alot of you Slash fans have the luxury of drawing attention away from any commercial failure he puts out and using Axl's lack of material as a way to comfort yourself.  For once, look at Slash's/Duff's/Vr's material without blatantly reminding yourself "Well I guess its better than Axl's no show".

If we look at Slither as a single from a new unknown band and if we dont compare it to Axl's failed attempts, it plummets down to a really average song.
By the way, I am a huge Slash fan,  I'm just being honest.
If I had to choose any word to describe VR...RED or HOT would probably be some of the last - stop acting like this is a reincarnation of Queen, they have a mediocre first single that manages to compete with other mediocre songs of today.  

Great post!  

[Top-Hatted One]

see that is the problem you are picking the song apart trying to find reasons to hate it.

How many songs have we heard the past 10 years with an awesome intro, chorus, solo, catchy-ness like Slither? And the best part is it doesn't sound like AC/DC or AFD part 2 and at the same time it does't sound like Slipknot, nickelback! What can you possibily expect?!

[badgirl]

I think it is a mistake to call this band (and for them to call themselves) "dangerous". They are mostly fathers of small children who are either clean or relatively so (Scott obviously excluded). However, simply because they are not "dangerous" does not mean they are, by exclusion, mainstream.
Besides, the entire "i don't give a fuck" dogma is contrived bullshit. Everyone cares. Some are willing to pay a larger price to get fans, but like someone else pointed out, everyone wants their product to be accepted and admired. That does not mean they are selling out.

[Top-Hatted One]

I agree the Dangerous notion is a bit silly. They are dangerous though in the sense that they are making the music they want to make and its so good that radio is forced to play their songs not just the nickelbacks and new found glory of the world lol

[AxlsPiano]

I really hope these guys aren't gonna start compromising because they want to rule the world...

 

Is doing interviews to promote an album anything new?  

GNR didnt do interviews?  Videos?  "Making Of" those videos?  "Behind-the-scenes" at their concerts with MTV?

Excellent point. I don't see why the hell it would make them less 'dangerous' to get their names out there. It makes absolutely no sense why it's a bad thing that they made a freaking music video and a Making of on MTV. MTV is the best place to promote music. It's that simple.

[badgirl]

Moreover, ^^^^, this whole "radio play" big-dick contest is political bullshit. People (specifically radio people) are snobs about music and enjoy being elitist regarding who they will or will not play (the listeners obviously supporting this practice). It's all a sham, in my opinion. Like Girl said, listen to what you like and fuck what everyone else says.
I would hardly judge a band's worth by whether or not certain stations want to play them.. That's stupid and you will be missing out.

[starchild_666]

see that is the problem you are picking the song apart trying to find reasons to hate it.

How many songs have we heard the past 10 years with an awesome intro, chorus, solo, catchy-ness like Slither? And the best part is it doesn't sound like AC/DC or AFD part 2 and at the same time it does't sound like Slipknot, nickelback! What can you possibily expect?!

there aren't many of them...  

[providman]

see that is the problem you are picking the song apart trying to find reasons to hate it.

How many songs have we heard the past 10 years with an awesome intro, chorus, solo, catchy-ness like Slither? And the best part is it doesn't sound like AC/DC or AFD part 2 and at the same time it does't sound like Slipknot, nickelback! What can you possibily expect?!

You made a good point,  Top Hat. These Axl people are so tired of seeing their boy get ripped a new asshole for all the stupid shit he's pulled over the years, & they've got so much misplaced anger,  they'e just dying, DYING, to be able to rip on VR likewise, so they'll create bullshit "issues" like calling VR sellouts, crucify Slash & Duff for having the gall to sue their man-child hero Axl, pick apart the songs we've heard already, (in their minds, Axhole has created an undisputed masterpiece, so, in their little minds, anything VR releases that isn't as earth-shaking, revolutionary, & mind-blowing as they IMAGINE Chinese Democracy is fair game to rip), &  even, if deep down they like the music, they'd never give a VR fan the "satisfaction" of admitting it, because in their own little worlds, that would be the equivilent of going against Axhole, & God knows that can't happen.

[Captain Obvious]

I don't see why the hell it would make them less 'dangerous' to get their names out there.

I can't tell you what makes them less dangerous but I sure would like to know what  makes them dangerous in the first place, how they claim to be.  I seriously want to know...since they proclaimed themselves as this in numerous interviews.

[PhillyRiot]

What makes them dangerous?  Well for one the lead singer has been in and out of rehab centers, and has been arrested on several occasions.

Seriously though, you guys can't tell me that you are not going to get Contraband.  There are 3/5 GNR, and we all love the old GNR right?

[providman]

JARMO - I certainly do not underestimate Izzy's song writing abilities.  I wish he was a member of Velvet Revolver.  

MADAGASCAR - Contraband certainly can be the best rock album since UYI2.  I won't know until I own it.  I mean really how many good rock albums have there been since then?  Nirvana is good but doesn't really do it for me, so what other albums would they have to beat?

C'mon, man, off the top of my head, if VR, or even Axl, released an album as good as:

Wilco Yankee Hotel Foxtrot/Being There
Springsteen The Rising
RHCP BSSM/Californication
Extreme Three Sides to Every Story
Foo Fighters Colour & the Shape
Radiohead OK Computer/The Bends
Rush Vapor Trails
Everclear Sparkle & Fade
Smashing Pumpkins Gish/Siamese Dream/MCATIS
Weezer Blue Album/Pinkerton

I'd be doing handstands. Those, in my opinion, are just a few of what I consider some of the best releases of the last 10 years or so, I'm sure I missed at least 20 or so.

[Captain Obvious]

What makes them dangerous?  Well for one the lead singer has been in and out of rehab centers, and has been arrested on several occasions.

Ya, so has Whitney Houston.
That doesn't make him anything else but a poor guy with major problems (hope he gets better), and it certainly doesn't make the rest of the band the hardcore badasses they claim to be.