and if Axl was right??

[nesquick]

I bought "Contraband" of Velvet Revolver this afternoon. It's an ok album but not great.
To compare, "Madagascar" and "The Blues" are faaaar better in my opinion. I see so much more potencial there!
and if Axl was right?? What do you think?

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

I agree with what u are saying, but what are saying about if Axl were right?

[ccorn69]

and if Axl was right??

Right in what? what do you mean

peace

[nesquick]

right about the musical project.

[2NaFish]

the first snakepit album proves that Axl was right.

[spiderman]

right about the musical project.

what musical project?

[Izzy]

I bought "Contraband" of Velvet Revolver this afternoon. It's an ok album but not great.
To compare, "Madagascar" and "The Blues" are faaaar better in my opinion. I see so much more potencial there!
and if Axl was right?? What do you think?

GRRRRRR

I can't take any more threads comparing VR and GNR

Please label such threads in future so i can avoid them

VR is a great band

GNR is a great band

Why do people need to compare them?

More importantly untill GNR rlease an album u have nothing to compare with - i know the world of GNR is slow but c'mon enough VR v GNR threads - they just descend into Dave v the rest of the board

[alternativemonkey]

I bought "Contraband" of Velvet Revolver this afternoon. It's an ok album but not great.
To compare, "Madagascar" and "The Blues" are faaaar better in my opinion. I see so much more potencial there!
and if Axl was right?? What do you think?

You're right and you're wrong. You're right that Velvet Revolver's material is weak, but neither "Madagascar" nor "The Blues" are better. The fact that they are ballads only adds credence to Axl's detractors that say he is more "Funeral for a Friend than Welcome to the Jungle" post AFD. This means he would rather be singing Elton John style love ballads (like "November Rain" "Estranged") than in-your-face-rock-n-roll. Damn - Axl nearly lifted the title "The Blues" and the theme from an Elton John song.

I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues
Elton John
(Elton John & Bernie Taupin)

Don't wish it away
Don't look at it like it's forever
Between you and me
I could honestly say
That things can only get better

And while I'm away
Dust out the demons inside
And it won't be long
Before you and me run
To the place in our hearts
Where we hide

And I guess that's why
They call it the blues
Time on my hands
Could be time spent with you
Laughing like children
Living like lovers
Rolling like thunder under the covers
And I guess that's why
They call it the blues

Just stare into space
Picture my face in your hands
Live for each second
Without hesitation
And never forget I'm your man

Wait on me girl
Cry in the night if it helps
But more than ever I simply love you
More than I love itself

Now don't rant and rave that "the lyrics are different". No kidding. But, the sentiment is the same.

I want "Paradise City" not "November Rain". Too much "November Rain", and Axl is lost. Axl already worships at the throne of Elton John, and has borrowed from him too (see "You Could Be Mine")
 

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

Don't worry alternativemonkey, there will be heavy songs on Chinese Democracy as well as ballads.

[Izzy]

I bought "Contraband" of Velvet Revolver this afternoon. It's an ok album but not great.
To compare, "Madagascar" and "The Blues" are faaaar better in my opinion. I see so much more potencial there!
and if Axl was right?? What do you think?

You're right and you're wrong. You're right that Velvet Revolver's material is weak, but neither "Madagascar" nor "The Blues" are better. The fact that they are ballads only adds credence to Axl's detractors that say he is more "Funeral for a Friend than Welcome to the Jungle" post AFD. This means he would rather be singing Elton John style love ballads (like "November Rain" "Estranged") than in-your-face-rock-n-roll. Damn - Axl nearly lifted the title "The Blues" and the theme from an Elton John song.
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Now don't rant and rave that "the lyrics are different". No kidding. But, the sentiment is the same.

I want "Paradise City" not "November Rain". Too much "November Rain", and Axl is lost. Axl already worships at the throne of Elton John, and has borrowed from him too (see "You Could Be Mine")
 

I couldn't disagree with u more

That Elton John song is as different from the blues as Slipknot is from Nsync - Axl and Elton both use the phrase 'the blues' , wow  

An album of ballads of the quality of 'November Rain' and 'the blues' i would love - just because your too shallow to appreciate a song like November Rain doesn't make it bad....Axl is the thinking man's rockstar.

[Johnnyblood]

Axl is right only in the sense that he should follow his heart. Slash and crew are doing the same fuckin' thing. None of them is wrong.

[alternativemonkey]

An album of ballads of the quality of 'November Rain' and 'the blues' i would love - just because your too shallow to appreciate a song like November Rain doesn't make it bad....Axl is the thinking man's rockstar.

"You're too shallow"? If you measure "shallowness" by people's appreciation of "love songs", you need your head examined. Afterall this is Guns N Roses, not Queen or "5150".

Go listen to the Greatest Hits. It is a "deep" album.

Axl's affinity for Elton John is well documented. For example:

Featured Review
Tumbleweed Connection is part of the early catalogue of Elton John's work that Guns N' Roses singer Axl Rose reportedly once said he would love to own the publishing rights to as a work of art. Indeed, it does contain some of John's most expressive work as an artist, but with the showy stage presence and pop melodicism still under construction. Tumbleweed is characterized by John's balladeer approach, with John at his storyteller best on songs like "Burn Down the Mission." Even if the lyrics were generally written by Bernie Taupin, John's voice and inflection made every song seem deeply personal. The beautiful "Come Down in Time" displays the subtleties and sophistication of his talent, with the piano not yet serving as the instrumental focal point it would later become. The album also features the favourite "Ballad of a Well-Known Gun" and "Where to Now St. Peter?" --Steve Gdula
http://www.unleash.com/picks/music/artists/eltonjohn.asp

The idea that he would use "That's Why They Call It the Blues" as a model for his own song is not beyond the realm of possibility.

[MadmanDan]

Yeah,in his "artistic differences" with the rest of the band,that apparently broke them up,it turns out Axl was right.

[Izzy]

"You're too shallow"? If you measure "shallowness" by people's appreciation of "love songs", you need your head examined. Afterall this is Guns N Roses, not Queen or "5150".

 

I was about to reply - then realised i have no idea what point your making

If you cant appreciate songs where the message is in the lyrics instead of shreiking guitars then yes, you are shallow

Guns N Roses was always more than some hair metal rock band. They wrote epic ballads and rockers. Thats who GNR was.

[alternativemonkey]

I was about to reply - then realised i have no idea what point your making

If you cant appreciate songs where the message is in the lyrics instead of shreiking guitars then yes, you are shallow

Guns N Roses was always more than some hair metal rock band. They wrote epic ballads and rockers. Thats who GNR was.

Shit, I hope to god they weren't a hair metal band.  I think they were the nail in the hair metal coffin and Nirvana was the hammer. They aren't Poison or Warrant. At least, I hope not.

In my belief there are two camps of GNR fans, those who want more Appetitle-style hard rock and those that want the self-indulgence of the Illussion era albums which ballads fall under.

As far a "shallow" goes, the whole debate to be quite frank - stupid. Rock-N-Roll can be as meaningful as a ballad. However, I will go on record as saying that ballads should be best left to the likes of Journey or Toto - somewhere in the distant past.

If GNR wants to be popular, ballads are probably their best shot at this stage. Note to Axl: if this is the case, please e-mail me in advance so I can shoot myself and not have to live to witness this travesty.

[Voodoochild]

You're right and you're wrong. You're right that Velvet Revolver's material is weak, but neither "Madagascar" nor "The Blues" are better. The fact that they are ballads only adds credence to Axl's detractors that say he is more "Funeral for a Friend than Welcome to the Jungle" post AFD. This means he would rather be singing Elton John style love ballads (like "November Rain" "Estranged") than in-your-face-rock-n-roll. Damn - Axl nearly lifted the title "The Blues" and the theme from an Elton John song.

Hmm... just because you think so it does not mean that is the truth. Madagascar and The Blues (as much as you claim that is a Elton Jhon's rip) are better than VR songs for me. But your point is the ballads. Well, my opinion is that Rhiad and Chinese Democracy are far better than VR heavy songs aswell. It's just more complex and it didn't remind me anything or any other song that I heard before. But people are more pleased by the ballads, so you jumped in the conclusion that the only newGNR strong material are the ballads. I don't think so. If the album have a lot of Rhiad, CD and OMG, I'll be very happy with that. BTW, despite Silkworms being a shit, it's 4 heavy songs and 2 ballads.
I wonder what you think about UYI's and epics like Locomotive and Estranged... Guess you're stuck in AFD, huh?  

[Neemo]

Why do you like Gun N roses then? Because the vast majority of their songs from Lies onward are Ballads. And I would consider GnR to be a hair band, considering that they're audience was the same as Poison, Warrant, Tesla, Motley Crue, Skid Row, etc. At least in the part of the world I grew up in.

[alternativemonkey]

Hmm... just because you think so it does not mean that is the truth. Madagascar and The Blues (as much as you claim that is a Elton Jhon's rip) are . . .  But people are more pleased by the ballads, so you jumped in the conclusion that the only newGNR strong material are the ballads. I don't think so. If the album have a lot of Rhiad, CD and OMG ... Guess you're stuck in AFD, huh?  

Actually, I am speaking the truth. Axl would probably back me up on this one. If he felt that those five f'n songs were so good, he would've release them by now.

If you want to call it "stuck" so be it. AFD is far superior to UYI. Not that the UYI albums aren't superior to a lot of stuff out there, it is just that AFD is so good. The horns and piano don't stand the test of time though (see "Bad Obsession"). However, there are highlights like Locomotive, You Could Be Mine, Right Next Door to Hell. Still, AFD is timeless. UYI has the same production (or destruction) that Bob Rock gave to "Dr. Feelgood" and Metallica's black album. He glossed them fairly blandly.

[alternativemonkey]

Why do you like Gun N roses then? Because the vast majority of their songs from Lies onward are Ballads. And I would consider GnR to be a hair band, considering that they're audience was the same as Poison, Warrant, Tesla, Motley Crue, Skid Row, etc. At least in the part of the world I grew up in.

I am beginning to question my allegiance. I thought GNR was rock-n-roll. I thought they were like Zep, the Stones, the Who, not Poison.

[2NaFish]

Hmm... just because you think so it does not mean that is the truth. Madagascar and The Blues (as much as you claim that is a Elton Jhon's rip) are . . .  But people are more pleased by the ballads, so you jumped in the conclusion that the only newGNR strong material are the ballads. I don't think so. If the album have a lot of Rhiad, CD and OMG ... Guess you're stuck in AFD, huh?  

Actually, I am speaking the truth. Axl would probably back me up on this one. If he felt that those five f'n songs were so good, he would've release them by now.

If you want to call it "stuck" so be it. AFD is far superior to UYI. Not that the UYI albums aren't superior to a lot of stuff out there, it is just that AFD is so good. The horns and piano don't stand the test of time though (see "Bad Obsession"). However, there are highlights like Locomotive, You Could Be Mine, Right Next Door to Hell. Still, AFD is timeless. UYI has the same production (or destruction) that Bob Rock gave to "Dr. Feelgood" and Metallica's black album. He glossed them fairly blandly.

Axl would back you up? What a pile of crap. You don't know why he hasn't released them, so don't say you do.

And AFD is far superior in your opinion.