Dj Ashba live video chat for nightrain members this Thursday.

[D-GenerationX]

Second bit, D-X is attacking initially. Follow the conversation, it is led to a point where he can output his grievances. At that point, the big post, he becomes more fair. I am still harsh latterly, but that is life

You told me my post was "flimsy" and you wanted specifics.  I give you specifics, then I become "a nutcase".

Come on, brother.

I know par for the course around here when faced with a direct question is to lean on "well, it doesn't matter what I think", but I think that's some weak shit.  That's a way to avoid taking a stance.  In terms of the band surfing the net for suggestions how run their business, yeah, we aren't going to be brought on as consultants.  But as 2 fans talking, yeah, you can give your opinion.  Its not going to hurt anything.

I sometimes get the feeling people don't want to go on record against Axl, as if he's keeping some Santa Claus "naughty or nice" list.  I can assure he doesn't give a flying fuck about any of us individually.  You can speak your mind without fear of reprisal.  Conversely, militant devotion is not going to get you an invite to the Halloween party. 

[Mysteron]

Second bit, D-X is attacking initially. Follow the conversation, it is led to a point where he can output his grievances. At that point, the big post, he becomes more fair. I am still harsh latterly, but that is life

You told me my post was "flimsy" and you wanted specifics.  I give you specifics, then I become "a nutcase".

Come on, brother.

I know par for the course around here when faced with a direct question is to lean on "well, it doesn't matter what I think", but I think that's some weak shit.  That's a way to avoid taking a stance.  In terms of the band surfing the net for suggestions how run their business, yeah, we aren't going to be brought on as consultants.  But as 2 fans talking, yeah, you can give your opinion.  Its not going to hurt anything.

I sometimes get the feeling people don't want to go on record against Axl, as if he's keeping some Santa Claus "naughty or nice" list.  I can assure he doesn't give a flying fuck about any of us individually.  You can speak your mind without fear of reprisal.  Conversely, militant devotion is not going to get you an invite to the Halloween party. 

Sorry, I was a little nasty, to be fair

It was for a purpose though, you needed to post that big post which is what you did. It is out of frustration that happens

If you have a loved one, go and hug them, then go and do something wonderful. Maybe go and create a handmade advent calendar for someone

Life is too short, really

[D-GenerationX]

Hahahaha

It's all good.  Just goofing off, following this crazy fucking guy.

[GypsySoul]

And we all know it going in, so none of us can claim unfair surprise.  We know its going to be the rose colored glasses view of everything, and certain views and criticisms won't be tolerated here.

This site offers a different perspective to the so called "objective fan sites". That's all.

On that, my friend, we agree.  Its why I come here.  Both sides need a voice.

So not only do you come here knowing full well what this site is all about, it's for that very reason that you do come here..... And yet you want Admin to change that

You point out your prospective on knowing Axl's modus operandi in respect to how/what he discusses publicly ..... And yet you want him to change that

And when Axl or Ron or Dj or any of the band members agree to do an interview or chat ..... you only want them to talk to who you want them to talk to and chat about what you want to hear them talk about

I can assure he doesn't give a flying fuck about any of us individually. 

Exactly what insight do you believe you have into Axl's psyche that you can give that assurance
Let me tell you..... Axl cares about the GNR fans and I'm his favorite!!! 

[Ali]

No offense, but when has anybody from the band or its management said "you just can't imagine how hard it is struggling against the forces of evil that try and hold us down at every turn" with regards to the release of the live concert?

When they've had information that is significant and worthy of a press release, like the announcement of a tour or the Vegas residency, they've put out press releases.  I don't see at this point what they would put a press release out about.

Ali

Semantics for the win, Ali.  Big ups.  It was obviously not a direct quote, which I suspect you know.

But, just to be clear, in 6 paragraphs up there...you see nothing valid?  I did not say one thing with any credence?

No, it's not semantics.  But, for the sake of argument, let me be clear:

Can you point to a single quote from the band or its management that has indicated any hardships or complained about them with regards to the release of the live concert film?

I realize there has been a lot of speculation on the various boards as to the reasoning behind the delay in releasing the live concert, but I cannot recall a single instance that the band or its management has alluded to what you mentioned, even if just an allusion and certainly not in so many words.  To me, what you're claiming is the band and/or its management's perspective seems more like projection to me.

I agree with the notion of releasing an album and promoting it.  That's what should be done.  No disagreement there.

Also, I never said there wasn't anything valid or deserving of credence in what you said.  Not sure where you got that.  Just one point blatantly stands out as questionable.

Ali

[D-GenerationX]

And when Axl or Ron or Dj or any of the band members agree to do an interview or chat ..... you only want them to talk to who you want them to talk to and chat about what you want to hear them talk about

I think a chat with a current GNR member on a GNR fan site should be dominated by some discussion of GNR, yes.

And when questions are asked about the current state of affairs, I would think a current member of the operation should have more for us than "your guess is as good as mine, dude."

If you are a guitar guy and want to get into a discussion about his strings, hey, more power to you.  But that is a niche portion of the people that are going to be attending the chat.  And "When are you coming back to <insert your town here>??" isn't exactly super compelling.

Look, these guys are given nothing in terms of info.  We know that going in.  I'm simply asking what those chats are accomplishing.  And as pointed out by someone else here, sending these guys into battle with no weapons might actually hurt matters.  Do you want people coming away from what is supposed to be an outreach to the fans thinking it was a colossal waste of time?

[D-GenerationX]

Can you point to a single quote from the band or its management that has indicated any hardships or complained about them with regards to the release of the live concert film?

To be honest, no. 

I'm not terribly interested in that particular product because I've already heard the concerts.  Now, you and I have already gone 12 rounds on that and I'm not looking to re-litigate that one.  But I know damn well they are going to have to doctor the shit out of that to make it sound good.  And considering how much I thought that detracted from 'Live Era', I'm not too wild about it. 

My comment was more of a macro perspective.  Everyone is against Axl.  Its always the cooked promoter, the bastards at the label, or whoever.  We are constantly told the band is lied to and fucked with.  Does that make sense to you?  Would these people be successful in this business if they really treated everyone the way the GNR camp leads us to believe they are treated?

You want an example?  How about that thing on VH-1?  Again, GNR was the only artist they have done one of those for that claimed they were lied to, fucked with, and generally deceived.  I didn't find that credible.

[norway]

Guns are a few blokes who play music and do the odd album here and there.

Hey now, I agree some rockfans expect nothing less than a revolution, but this band is much more than 'a few blokes'. It is the biggest rockname in the world. Axl is a living legend. Would <3 more mediastuff too.

[jarmo]

I get that you want news. I understand it.

But it's not Dj's "job" to announce major GN'R news. Correct me if I'm out of line in thinking that this chat, or other fan club exclusive chats, aren't supposed to be media events used to announce major GN'R news.

All the band guys know this. Even if they knew the band's plans for the next year in detail, they wouldn't necessarily say anything other than "we'll be busy". Do you know why? Because until it's announced officially, they often won't mention it.

Even Dj mentioned something similar. He doesn't wanna give away info before everything is set in stone. And I believe he was talking about his personal projects. I imagine the same applies to GN'R related projects....




/jarmo

[norway]

sorry off topic, say people seem stressed instead of nutcases. *carebear-voice off* 

I get that you want news.

not quite, I wished mr. rose himself did more of this stuff just 4 the sake of it.
I had an idea where Axl was interviewed with guns in the background and roses on the table.

[D-GenerationX]

I get that you want news. I understand it.

But it's not Dj's "job" to announce major GN'R news. Correct me if I'm out of line in thinking that this chat, or other fan club exclusive chats, aren't supposed to be media events used to announce major GN'R news.

No, you are correct about that.

But since we get so little in the form of communication, that can often lead to feeling you have to pounce when you get an opportunity.  Sadly, he doesn't have it to give to us.

And as to your other point, I have a bit of a different spin on the plans for next year concept.  Perhaps he knows exactly what they will be doing, but doesn't want to be the messenger that gets shot. 

We already have word Bumblefoot was asked to postpone some of his tour for early next year due to GNR.  Most of us, myself included, believe this to be more tour dates, likely in South America. 

But what if that's it?  What if they do a handful of shows in South America in February, and then nothing for the rest of the year?  I have to think they'd already know if they seriously are trying to release an album next year.  And suppose that answer is no?

Would you blame DJ for not wanting to be the one to drop that bomb?  It would not go over well.

[jarmo]

It seems like you understand the reason(s) for not doing what you wish they would, regarding giving out information on future plans, yet you feel upset that they didn't.




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

It seems like you understand the reason(s) for not doing what you wish they would, regarding giving out information on future plans, yet you feel upset that they didn't.

I wouldn't say upset.  I'd classify it more as shaking my head dismissively at the whole situation as I chuckle, a common reaction to following this band.

Thank god for gallows humor, because its often all we have.

What about the other bit though?  Do you think if they actually intended to release an album in calendar 2014, they would already know that?  Not a specific date, just doing it versus not doing it, I mean.

[sofine11]

It seems like you understand the reason(s) for not doing what you wish they would, regarding giving out information on future plans, yet you feel upset that they didn't.

I wouldn't say upset.  I'd classify it more as shaking my head dismissively at the whole situation as I chuckle, a common reaction to following this band.

Thank god for gallows humor, because its often all we have.

What about the other bit though?  Do you think if they actually intended to release an album in calendar 2014, they would already know that?  Not a specific date, just doing it versus not doing it, I mean.

Earlier this week, both Richard and Dizzy confirmed in interviews that they are using the current time off to work on the next album, & Dizzy even went so far to say that "they" (he didn't specify who) are currently "going through tracks" right now. 

In Richards interview, he said things are looking good for the next album to come out soon, and when the interviewer asked "For 2014?" Richard nodded and said "It's looking good."

I'd say it's well time Axl commented...

[Mysteron]

It seems like you understand the reason(s) for not doing what you wish they would, regarding giving out information on future plans, yet you feel upset that they didn't.

I wouldn't say upset.  I'd classify it more as shaking my head dismissively at the whole situation as I chuckle, a common reaction to following this band.

Thank god for gallows humor, because its often all we have.

What about the other bit though?  Do you think if they actually intended to release an album in calendar 2014, they would already know that?  Not a specific date, just doing it versus not doing it, I mean.

I have to say, you are very refreshing.

You are a fan with challenging questions, but you have listened and reasoned.

Amazing

[jarmo]

What about the other bit though?  Do you think if they actually intended to release an album in calendar 2014, they would already know that?  Not a specific date, just doing it versus not doing it, I mean.

From the interviews I've seen, I think they're trying.



/jarmo

[One.In.A.Million]

It seems like you understand the reason(s) for not doing what you wish they would, regarding giving out information on future plans, yet you feel upset that they didn't.

I wouldn't say upset.  I'd classify it more as shaking my head dismissively at the whole situation as I chuckle, a common reaction to following this band.

Thank god for gallows humor, because its often all we have.

What about the other bit though?  Do you think if they actually intended to release an album in calendar 2014, they would already know that?  Not a specific date, just doing it versus not doing it, I mean.

Earlier this week, both Richard and Dizzy confirmed in interviews that they are using the current time off to work on the next album, & Dizzy even went so far to say that "they" (he didn't specify who) are currently "going through tracks" right now. 

In Richards interview, he said things are looking good for the next album to come out soon, and when the interviewer asked "For 2014?" Richard nodded and said "It's looking good."

I'd say it's well time Axl commented...

So what if Richard and Dizzy said those things, dozens of GN'R members have said the same thing in the past, which followed with years of silence. Richard and Dizzy are both currently touring the UK with The Dead Daises, so they are much removed from the situation at the moment.

Even if those words came from Axl and GN'Rs inner circle, they still would have to be treated with extreme caution and not taken as gospel. So anything coming from people outside the GN'R camp, which unfortunately includes GN'Rs own members, should not be treated as some sort of light, as many times in the past we have learned otherwise... that's the truth judging by the last 14 years of Guns talking about "new albums"... 

[JeffK]

Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch...Jesus! That's all anyone does around here except for a tiny few. I'm extremely happy that Ron and Dj have done these chats. We knew there wasn't going to be any earth shattering news revealed so why not just enjoy it?! I appreciate the effort to interact with the fans...especially from Dj who is really really interactive with fans all over Facebook and Twitter...even does his own personal live chats. If they're touring people complain about similar setlists...they play for 3 fuckin hours! They play pretty much everything! What more do you want?? Then people complain about touring because they aren't spending their time on a new album...but then if they don't tour for a while everyone complains that it's too quiet and they need to be more active and get back out there. Then if Dj or Richard or Dizzy talk about new music and working on the new album people jump all over them saying it's probably not true, they don't know what they're talking about blah blah blah. When guys from the band keep talking about new music and a new album and it's almost done, hopefully gets released next year etc...I take that as a positive! They're working on it, they want to get it out! But most on here decide to bitch and complain instead of being hopeful and a bit excited. People will say will say they've heard all of this talk before and keep getting let down, but the truth is all of these people are a bunch of whiny babies who have nothing better to do than complain. If what GNR are doing isn't good enough, go start your own band and you can put out as much new music as you'd like!

[Ali]

Can you point to a single quote from the band or its management that has indicated any hardships or complained about them with regards to the release of the live concert film?

To be honest, no. 

I'm not terribly interested in that particular product because I've already heard the concerts.  Now, you and I have already gone 12 rounds on that and I'm not looking to re-litigate that one.  But I know damn well they are going to have to doctor the shit out of that to make it sound good.  And considering how much I thought that detracted from 'Live Era', I'm not too wild about it. 

My comment was more of a macro perspective.  Everyone is against Axl.  Its always the cooked promoter, the bastards at the label, or whoever.  We are constantly told the band is lied to and fucked with.  Does that make sense to you?  Would these people be successful in this business if they really treated everyone the way the GNR camp leads us to believe they are treated?

You want an example?  How about that thing on VH-1?  Again, GNR was the only artist they have done one of those for that claimed they were lied to, fucked with, and generally deceived.  I didn't find that credible.

At least you're honest.

As far as the Vegas show, you really don't "know" that they'll have to doctor the show to make it sound good. You think so. There is a difference.

Be that as it may, I don't see how we are "constantly told" the band is lied to and fucked with. I know of the notable example with Azoff. There are also clearly issues with the label. Otherwise, I don't think this some unending stream of issues being reported. I think that's a perception that's perpetuated by some.

I don't know what thing on VH1 you're referring to.

Ali

[Princess Leia]

I get that you want news. I understand it.

But it's not Dj's "job" to announce major GN'R news. Correct me if I'm out of line in thinking that this chat, or other fan club exclusive chats, aren't supposed to be media events used to announce major GN'R news.

All the band guys know this. Even if they knew the band's plans for the next year in detail, they wouldn't necessarily say anything other than "we'll be busy". Do you know why? Because until it's announced officially, they often won't mention it.

Even Dj mentioned something similar. He doesn't wanna give away info before everything is set in stone. And I believe he was talking about his personal projects. I imagine the same applies to GN'R related projects....




/jarmo

I know that is not DJ job to tell us news. But I believe it should be his job to tell us about future plans. Of course he must make sure that he tell us that those plans are not set in stone as you put it. But he sould be able to talk about what he knows, if he knows, as along as he makes a disclaimer because those plans could change. I don?t think that only Axl or Fernando should have the monopoly over the news or information regarding the band.

Right now I believe what Chris Pitman said in an interview a few month ago. That?s the official news for me at the moment. Why? Because nobody from the band has strongly denied.