Guns N Roses - When The Cat's Away The Mice Will Flourish

[aramelus]

I would say they are from a demo disc sent to the record company in late 2006.

[SLCPUNK]

I have concluded that it must be GnR because we have been getting the same songs leaked in various stages of production. It got our attention a couple years back, kept us interested as the songs evolved to what we are hearing today. It's certainly no coincidence that they same songs are being played live. If they were being leaked by a third party I  believe we would have heard other songs besides the four or so we've heard for years now. After hearing the latest ?leaks? I am more convinced then ever that they are strategically released at certain intervals to keep interest level high-which seems to have worked quite well.

[estebanf]

The demo is clearly old and it needs lot of work to be a final version, but I want to highlight just one thing from the million great things I've noticed:

The way that Axl transmits different feelings/sensations with his different voice styles is simply unbelievable.

Just listen to Axl's voice from 1:55 to 2:50. That ''double voice'' achieve a massive feeling of sadness, it's simply hair-rising, and the way his voice and the guitars fuse in some parts of the track makes me shiver.

Outstanding song, I would rate it 2nd of all the leaked tracks. The first (and undefeatable first) is still TWAT for me.

[D]

My beef with Axl is:

If he is careless enough to give out copies or careless enough to forget a copy at a club, im not gonna say he deserves to have this happen but I dont see how he can get that pissed cause quite frankly, if something gets out, thats on him for being careless.

We don't know how these leaks happened. So if I were you, I wouldn't be pointing fingers.


If people took your songs and posted them online before you had finished them, wouldn't you be upset? You'd be judged based on unfinished material.



/jarmo

absolutely, I'm not agreeing with the leaks at all. I think it sucks that someone was able to get their hands on whatever they have their hands on.

 I'm just trying to point out that for years we never heard as much as an album title cause Axl had stuff locked down so well and now all of a sudden having a few be leaked appears to me as if Axl *who we can all agree is in charge* may be starting to let his guard down a little bit or he is being careless or has someone around him or in his? organization that shouldn't be.


There is no way Joe Schmo on the street could come across this, so in my opinion and I do stress my opinion and to steal a Pearl Jam song title, it has to be an Inside Job.

The only ways i can see this being leaked are:

1. Somebody in the studio took off with a copy and leaked it.
2. Axl or a bandmember gave somebody a copy who in turn betray their trust
3. someone at the record label leaked it
4. someone in the band's organization leaked it
5. it somehow got stolen by a? studio janitor or something but even then they would've had to have a copy lying around.



I know Axl can't watch everybody all the time but with the CD so close, I think he needs to really close ranks, put survelliance video cameras in the studio, whatever it takes.

As bad as I want this album, I do not want it to leak. It would be a tragedy for this album to get out that way. I don't mind the ones that have so much since we have already heard them live so many times.


I guess we as hardcore fans dont think about Casual fans or even Non fans hearing these though.

[Olorin]

You still don't know what are you talking about, there's no way he's out of tune. I do know what I'm talking about, I'm not ignorant on music.

Yeah you are right, you are great, I dont know shit, you know man, you know what your talking about man, you fucking know about music maaan.
 "I'm in a fucking band maaaann, I know about music maaaaan, dont you disagree with me man, you troll with your poxy three hundred odd posts, look at all mine, I must know more than you about music maaaaan."


I'm not ignorant either, I know shite when I hear it. I heard it on that madagascar demo and I heard it when I clicked on the link for your fucking band you fucking gimp .

[TWT]

I always presumed the last batch of leaks were done to help promote last year's tours in the absence of any album release, now I believe the same has happened this year.

Either way, it's doing the job as threads once again start popping up all over the internet.

[Dont Try Me]

The demo is clearly old and it needs lot of work to be a final version, but I want to highlight just one thing from the million great things I've noticed:

The way that Axl transmits different feelings/sensations with his different voice styles is simply unbelievable.

Just listen to Axl's voice from 1:55 to 2:50. That ''double voice'' achieve a massive feeling of sadness, it's simply hair-rising, and the way his voice and the guitars fuse in some parts of the track makes me shiver.

Outstanding song, I would rate it 2nd of all the leaked tracks. The first (and undefeatable first) is still TWAT for me.

exactly my thoughts! 

[gav]

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I've heard alot of people talk about the quality of Axl's voice in this 'demo', commenting that it's not perhaps as good as in other songs.

Well in my opinion it has been deliberately left with a raw and emotive feel to it so the message of the song is not told purely by the lyrics alone.

I fucking love it   

[acdcUSSR]

If this was the band doing it, why would they post demos from pre-Bumble/Frank? If they wanted to get feedback they would most likely post demos before they were mixed/mastered.

And your theory would mean that darknemus (sp?) and gnrsucks would have to be in on this conspiracy theory. Not buying it.

It could be the case for the 2006 leaks, but not the recent leaks.

[surforia]

Whoever said these leaks are bad for business is dead wrong... they only increase "buzz" about the band. 

Reasons why leaks aren't bad for business:

1.  These leaks are NOT the final version, so it's not really taking anything away from what the album has in store. 
2.  These leaks will only be heard by the GnR hardcore, who are gonna buy the album (possibly multiple copies) anyway.

[cibol]

You still don't know what are you talking about, there's no way he's out of tune. I do know what I'm talking about, I'm not ignorant on music.

Yeah you are right, you are great, I dont know shit, you know man, you know what your talking about man, you fucking know about music maaan.
 "I'm in a fucking band maaaann, I know about music maaaaan, dont you disagree with me man, you troll with your poxy three hundred odd posts, look at all mine, I must know more than you about music maaaaan."


I'm not ignorant either, I know shite when I hear it. I heard it on that madagascar demo and I heard it when I clicked on the link for your fucking band you fucking gimp .

     It?s nice to have a professional between us, so tell us where does Axl is out of tune? in which part?  I?d love to hear it... actually I?d love to listen you singing... you could post us some, since you are the MAN here    take it easy man, I didn?t get your post as something to consider, cause all you say that he?s out of tune,  Oh great, where? why do you get this conclusion, since you are a professional you could share your knowledge with us... but just the singer one, because as a person you suck... call out people?s name, get a life!!!

[GNRreunioneventually]

I have concluded that it must be GnR because we have been getting the same songs leaked in various stages of production. It got our attention a couple years back, kept us interested as the songs evolved to what we are hearing today. It's certainly no coincidence that they same songs are being played live. If they were being leaked by a third party I? believe we would have heard other songs besides the four or so we've heard for years now. After hearing the latest ?leaks? I am more convinced then ever that they are strategically released at certain intervals to keep interest level high-which seems to have worked quite well.

i honestly think that some one in the G'n'R camp is leaking songs to see what the internet comunity thinks of them. I was told a long time ago by a guy on Blabbermouth that said it was/is planned leak, they are doing this all on purpose. He seemed ligit but the more i think about that the more i think he's right..........

[1987]

my posts kept getting deleted when i insisted it was gnr that was leaking the songs.. just because it made to much business sense for them to be an accident.. but after several PMs from various members.. i came to the conclusion.. (and this is just my opinion.. nothing is a fact.. and i have no in side info ect..)  that Merk leaked the first batch of leaks.  it was good exposure for the band.. helped create the buzz for the tour.. he would know what songs they were planning on playing live.. and he could profit from gnr's success.  that could have been one of the reasons he was fired.  i don't think GNR is responsible for the latest leaks.. but it has to be someone with ties to the gnr camp.. that stands tp profit from the bands success. 

[badapple81]

I have concluded that it must be GnR because we have been getting the same songs leaked in various stages of production. It got our attention a couple years back, kept us interested as the songs evolved to what we are hearing today. It's certainly no coincidence that they same songs are being played live. If they were being leaked by a third party I? believe we would have heard other songs besides the four or so we've heard for years now. After hearing the latest ?leaks? I am more convinced then ever that they are strategically released at certain intervals to keep interest level high-which seems to have worked quite well.

Maybe the GN'R camp decided after Better, IRS and TWAT leaked.. that they would only play those new songs live otherwise if they played other new songs besides those already heard live and through the leaks.. there wouldn't be much left.. ?

[BillBailey]

Ok here is one thing I cannot understand. When GNR was at their absolute peak of popularity in 1991 6 months before UYI came out they played almost the entire album live to get all of the songs out there for the fans and to make sure they sounded nice and tight live. Obviously this was a different time and the band had the opportunity to sell many, many more albums then they have in the current digital marketplace. So why does all of this have to be such a big fucking secret. I am so sick of people saying they feel like christmas is early and all of that bullshit. Do you think fans felt that way in 1991 when UYI came out after hearing almost everything live in summer concerts. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO it debuted at 1 and 2 respectively and sold a gazillion copies and everyone loved it. So for this record to be in the mixing stages without even a confirmed tracklist is crazy. And who cares if Madagascar got leaked. Its not finished everyone knows it. It is a fantastic song that almost all of us has heard and it is building huge buzz for the band. And if the album is almost done and going to be released soon they should start playing almost all of it live. Is it really going to ruin the greatness of this music if we hear prostitute, and sorry and If the world live? NO it will be awesome and even more so when the studio version of the entire record is relased.

[Axlfreek]

Personally, i thought it sounded absolutely horrible compared to the other demos. But im not worried about it because it is just a demo