For the people claiming the new gnr songs dont have good solos or they are bland

[Buddha_Master]

I hope some of you understand the point I am trying to make

Yep, that Axl and Slash both need each other to create their best music. No arguments there.

But I still disagree with Dave's post that Slash couldn't have put good solos on the nuGN'R songs.

I think the leaks prove that Axl doesn't need Slash...and they are just demos. They are the shit dreams are made of. That is how I described the leaks to people.

When I have described VR, I used the words "Its ?okay" a lot. Of course it sold well though. Compared to the shit that is out its great. Compared to GNR and these latest leaks from GNR, they are amateur hour at best.

[BLS-Pride]

The demos are good.. But not what dreams are made of. Listen to sit there and say Slash does not have talent and or can not write good riffs, music, etc etc is just senceless. This argument will never end and has some of you looking like a little over obsessed.

[Naupis]

I think the leaks prove that Axl doesn't need Slash

Maybe we aren't listening to the same music because I have heard no guitar work from Nu GNR that is going to supplant the SCOM or NR solos as the best produced by GNR.

With Slash Axl produces arguably the greatest RnR album ever. Without Slash we have gotten nothing so far, and from the demo's we have heard we will get a good/great album that won't be considered the band's best ever.

Am I missing something that indicates he doesn't need Slash if he can't produce a record greater than Appetite without him? Yet was able to change the face of RnR with him? I must be lost.

[estrangedpaul]

Eh, Velvet Revolver do have some great riffs and solos. Slither and Sucker Train Blues riffs are classic, up there with the best GnR riffs and much better than the riffs to new-GnR songs such as the one on Chinese Democracy. Soloing-wise, the biggest problem most Slash fans have is the shredding on the new songs. Shredding and GnR together don't work. The Buckethead solos on IRS and Better ruin the songs. Fincks solos are better. But the non-shred solos, such as Madagascar, The Blues and There Was A Time (especially Buckethead's outro solo) are awesome. That said, people who say VR solos are bland should listen to You Got No Right and Loving The Alien. Only Slash can play with such emotion as in the solo on Loving The Alien - amazing! I think Slash would have improved CD because I prefer his soloing style overall, in particular to BH's shred, but I think Axl feels he can deliver the best possible album with Finck, so I will always trust his musical instinct.

[mikegiuliana]

damn dave you are always starting threads about the same shit...

It's obvious axl is the best ever slash needs the lead singer to help the guitar legend play his instrument.....

If you would think for a minute many people like the work on CB, but being you don't and others don't feel the same about the new gnr leaks you have to start these threads..

VR is not gnr. I don't think that vr is a guitar rock band in the manner gnr was, so that is why his guitar work isn't as spectacular as say gnr or some of his colaborations of snakepit.... yes we know you hate snakepit I'm sure..

Evereyone and their mother bash snakepit or say stupid shit like he hasn't done a great solo since gnr... Yes snakepit sold like a million copies....  I'm sure every slash hater has all his music  since gnr...

He just did an amazing rendition of hey joe with hendrix band but how many of the new gun's lovers ever say wow that was amazing... Every board I have posted the link loves the playing, but the "gnr" fans don't or won't comment on it being they might have to say soemthing nice about slash

[dave-gnfnr2k]

This probably won't answer your question Dave, but here's my two pennies: I thought Slash was the saving grace of UYI. Even now when I listen to UYI (very rarely... but trust me, I've listened to them hundreds if not thousands of times), what I enjoy most is listening to Slash's guitar work. That said, the strongest new material (The Blues, Madagascar, Chinese Democracy, Better, CITR, and There Was A Time) is superior to pretty much everything on UYI. That's my opinion and don't even waste your time trying to change my opinion. Yours is yours, mine is mine.

I have already said those songs are  better than most of the songs on the UYIs and a good number of songs on AFD, so you are agreeing with me.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Some people cannot see the faults in their arguments unless the tables are turned. I reworded the original post to prove a point.

For the people claiming the Contraband songs don't have good solos or they are bland...

Please answer me this: You claim they need Axl's touch , a lot of you have alluded to this well answer this simple question. You can claim that Contraband doesn't have the classic GNR solos or riffs and that it needs Axl's touch but the nu-GNR songs don't have classic GNR riffs or solos and those solos are very bland and guess what? Axl spent 10-years crafting them. So if Axl and his hired cronies can spend 10-years and can't even write a good riff or solo for Chinese Democracy then how would he do it for Contraband which are songs he doesn't even want to work on? Answer that simple question.


I hope some of you understand the point I am trying to make instead of accusing me of advocating what was posted above.

He didnt spend ten years on them. That is like saying it took 6 years for gnr to make nov rain, dont cry, ycmb and back off bitch all of which were around before AFD.

[pilferk]

I think the leaks prove that Axl doesn't need Slash

Maybe we aren't listening to the same music because I have heard no guitar work from Nu GNR that is going to supplant the SCOM or NR solos as the best produced by GNR.

With Slash Axl produces arguably the greatest RnR album ever. Without Slash we have gotten nothing so far, and from the demo's we have heard we will get a good/great album that won't be considered the band's best ever.

Am I missing something that indicates he doesn't need Slash if he can't produce a record greater than Appetite without him? Yet was able to change the face of RnR with him? I must be lost.

No, you've formed an opinion.? Nothing wrong with that.

But not everyone is going to agree with that opinion, and, indeed, you can see that the majority of the posters here don't.

This stuff doesn't sound like NR or SCOM.? The styles are completely different.? The guitar playing is completely different.? Trying to compare the two is like trying to compare apples to oranges.? The new style might not be your cup of tea, or it might be.? You may prefer the old style to the new, or you might not.? Saying one is "better" than the other is going to be wholly based on your preferences.? Not so hard to understand why others are saying what they are....

This record is going to be very different from AFD.? People need to understand that.? And it doesn't need to be like AFD.? It doesnt' need to be "greater than AFD" (and I'd love to see THAT defined..greater how? Sales? Not gonna happen in today's landscape no matter how good the material is....greater "quality"..that's too subjective for anyone HERE to judge) either, it just needs to be better than anything ELSE out there.?

I don't see Contraband oustelling AFD either and the material certainly isn't "better than AFD" by anyone's measure...but it sure went a long way toward proving that Slash could exist and create relevant material without Axl.? CD can accomplish the same thing.

IMHO, the demos are better than anything any rock act not named Green Day has released in the past 5 years.?