Renditions

[shades]

You liberals are hilarious..
Ok oK, Ill keep going, but its only for entertainment.

Okso the blonde woman was really a cia operative.
Did she get him to talk through sex, Im sorry I missed the article when it was in the mainstream media. fill me in.

they shaved his penis with a scalpel.
Thats wrong, so I suppose he will be bringing pictures to the trial, when is the trial, etc. details please.

James Bond could have gotten it out of him 'without' torture.
So I dont see what all the fuss was about sending in the CIA.

And the cone of silence, of course there are no recordings of these converstaions

[Jamie]

Okso the blonde woman was really a cia operative.
Did she get him to talk through sex, Im sorry I missed the article when it was in the mainstream media. fill me in.

Why can't you just get past the fact that this alleged CIA officer was blonde, and adress the real content of the article? Wow, she's blonde, big fuckin deal! That whole blondes are stupid thing isn't necesseraly true.

they shaved his penis with a scalpel.
Thats wrong, so I suppose he will be bringing pictures to the trial, when is the trial, etc. details please.

Perhaps he will, or perhaps he was not allowed to photograph the injuries in case they could be used against the CIA in a trial, or perhaps he wasn't too keen on taking photographs of his own penis after such brutal injuries. Or perhaps he isn't going to press charges because he knows that the court system would never convict the CIA.

James Bond could have gotten it out of him 'without' torture.
So I dont see what all the fuss was about sending in the CIA.

This makes no sense and has no relevance. Please elaborate.

And the cone of silence, of course there are no recordings of these converstaions

Which conversations, the conversation between Binyam Mohammed and the interviewer? If so perhaps there is, and they have just not been published, obviously in such an interview there will be recordings. Or the conversations between Binyam Mohammed and the CIA? If so, naturally, recordings of such a conversation would be highly classified, and would not be available to the general public.

[shades]

the conversations between Binyam Mohammed and the CIA? If so, naturally, recordings of such a conversation would be highly classified, and would not be available to the general public.

I see,
thereby making the whole thing hard to substantiate one way or the other?
hmmm, I think you're on to something

[Booker Floyd]

thereby making the whole thing hard to substantiate one way or the other?

Kind of like your Harriet Miers theory, right?

hmmm, I think you're on to something

 

[shades]

No, actually 'my' Harriet Myers theory doesnt get soldiers killed, or feed the terrorist pool hatred bin.
Or disrespect our military.
Do you see the difference?
Its rather glaring

[Booker Floyd]

No, actually 'my' Harriet Myers theory doesnt get soldiers killed, or feed the terrorist pool hatred bin.
Or disrespect our military.
Do you see the difference?
Its rather glaring

No, you dont get it. 

Your Harriet Miers conspiracy theory is not substantiated by any evidence.

[shades]

  Hers MY eveidence,
I dont have to go to a blogger site to get backup for my opinions,
but you feel free to continue to let some else give you ideas.
I would however keep more of them to myself
 
The conservatives that spoke out against HArriet Miers only spoke that she was underqualified, a lightweight.
And the dems had NO opinion publically after their spin machine said shhh. let the conservatives run her off.
had they had any balls or felt as strongly as they should have being it was a SCJ appointment, they would have brought up her many 'shortcomings' in their opinion, on her recorded stances on the issues near and dear to us all.

Which speaks volumes that they so obviously played the spin machine and didnt stand their ground and speak out , because it suited their agenda more to let it take care of itself.

What Bush did, in retrospect was let her bow out, replace her with a stronger candidate, one that stood heads above Miers in experience and strentgh of character. But amazingly parrallel on the issues.
By speaking against him they do nothing more that make people wonder why they didnt point out the same things about Mier, if it was so important.
Are you following this? The swayable base of both parties are studying these details and forming a trust. A man is judged by what he doesnt say sometime more than what he does say. or should we say in this case a combination of the two.
JMO

Its actually brillaint and its working.

[pilferk]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10442233/

President Bush expressed a no-tolerance stance on the use of torture by the United States in the war on terrorism in an exclusive wide-ranging interview with NBC News anchor Brian Williams, broadcast Monday.

Responding to a question from Williams on whether the United States can "be definitively against torture," Bush was adamant in his opposition to the practice.

?We are, and we will be at home and abroad," Bush said.

?And we're working with both Senator [John] McCain and Congressman Duncan Hunter,? he said. McCain, a prisoner of war who was tortured in Vietnam, said on the Dec. 4 broadcast of NBC's ?Meet the Press? that he will not drop demands that the White House agree with his proposed ban on the use of torture to extract information from suspected terrorists.

The White House said previously it could not accept restrictions that might prevent interrogators from gaining information vital to the nation?s security, and it threatened a presidential veto of any bill that contained the McCain language.

?Interrogate without torture?
But in his interview with Williams, Bush appeared to moderate that posture.

?We want to make sure that we're in a position to be able to interrogate without torture,? Bush said. ?The American people expect us to do that which we can do within international law, and our own declaration of supporting the premises of international law is what I really meant to say ? to protect us. I mean, if they know something, we need to know it. And we think we can find it without torturing people.?

[Booker Floyd]

? Hers MY eveidence
I dont have to go to a blogger site to get backup for my opinions,
but you feel free to continue to let some else give you ideas.
I would however keep more of them to myself

...

Right.  You have no evidence. 

[sandman]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10442233/

President Bush expressed a no-tolerance stance on the use of torture by the United States in the war on terrorism in an exclusive wide-ranging interview with NBC News anchor Brian Williams, broadcast Monday.

Responding to a question from Williams on whether the United States can "be definitively against torture," Bush was adamant in his opposition to the practice.

?We are, and we will be at home and abroad," Bush said.

?And we're working with both Senator [John] McCain and Congressman Duncan Hunter,? he said. McCain, a prisoner of war who was tortured in Vietnam, said on the Dec. 4 broadcast of NBC's ?Meet the Press? that he will not drop demands that the White House agree with his proposed ban on the use of torture to extract information from suspected terrorists.

The White House said previously it could not accept restrictions that might prevent interrogators from gaining information vital to the nation?s security, and it threatened a presidential veto of any bill that contained the McCain language.

?Interrogate without torture?
But in his interview with Williams, Bush appeared to moderate that posture.

?We want to make sure that we're in a position to be able to interrogate without torture,? Bush said. ?The American people expect us to do that which we can do within international law, and our own declaration of supporting the premises of international law is what I really meant to say ? to protect us. I mean, if they know something, we need to know it. And we think we can find it without torturing people.?

wow! bush is taking a stand on this issue and it's in line with the lefties. he's going against the opinion polls. i'm sure all you guys that were arguing against torture will have nice things to say about the prez on this.

[jarmo]

Looks like Bush is paying attention to what the leaders in the EU are saying. That's a good thing.





/jarmo

[shades]

How can you guys look at yourselves in the mirror?
defending scum. The insurgents are not soldiers, their not even human beings.
they are heartless, sub human scum. debate that?
DEBATE THAT.
you want to argue who knows what they are talking about and you bash a military trying to bring peace and democracy to a people because they mistreat scum.
The terrorists have no goal of good, they are not protecting their homeland, they are fighting to have the right to terrorize their own people at will.
they are fighting the very principals that you are defending they deserve.
 Ringling brothers is missing some clowns and I think weve found them. How many of you guys can fit into a volkswagon.

[jarmo]

Do you know how close you are to being sent away to "Camp no post"?





/jarmo

[sandman]

i think Bush is making the right move now - due to the PR/image aspect of the situation.

also, it's a good symbolic move in light of the elections this week. we're helping a nation set standards, so those standards should be high. ?

[shades]

camp no post?

by guild

If your goal is to persuade then you are way off, if your goal is to annoy and make yourself look like an ass then "Mission Accomplished", moron.

by splunk
It's about oil, positioning ourself in the middle east and imperialism. I've said it the entire time you moron.

Driving a double standard car these days I see King Jarmo

[Jamie]

Seized, held, tortured: six tell same tale

Ian Cobain
Tuesday December 6, 2005
The Guardian

Mamdouh Habib, 49, an Australian citizen, was caught up in the rendition system after being arrested near the Pakistani-Afghan border shortly after the 9/11 attacks. His lawyers say he was bundled aboard a small jet by men speaking English with American accents and flown to Egypt, the country where he was born. For the next six months, they say, he was held in a Cairo jail, where he was hung from hooks, beaten, given shocks from an electric cattle prod, and told he was to be raped by dogs.

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Habib also says that he was shackled and forced into three torture chambers: one filled with water up to his chin, requiring him to stand on tiptoe for hours, a second with a low ceiling and two feet of water, forcing him into a painful stoop, and a third with a few inches of water, and within sight of an electric generator which his captors said would be used to electrocute him. He made statements - which he has since withdrawn - declaring that he had helped train the 9/11 attackers in martial arts. Habib was moved to Afghanistan and then to Guant?namo. Last January he was released without charge and allowed to return to his wife and three children in Sydney.

Maher Arar, 34, a Canadian citizen, was seized in September 2002 while travelling through JFK airport in New York, on his way home after a holiday in Tunisia. After being questioned for 13 days about a terrorism suspect - the brother of a work colleague - he was handcuffed, placed in leg irons, and put aboard an executive jet. Hearing the crew describe themselves as members of the "special removals unit", and discovering he was bound for Syria, the country where he was born, he begged them to return to the US. The crew, he says, ignored his pleas and suggested he watch a spy film that was being shown on board. After landing in Jordan, Arar says he was driven to Syria, where he was held in a small underground cell which he likened to a grave. His hands were repeatedly whipped with cables, he says. He added that he would eventually confess to anything put to him. Arar was released a year later after the Canadian government took up his case. The Syrian ambassador in Washington announced that no terrorist links had been found. Arar is suing the US government.

Amnesty International has highlighted the plight of two Yemeni friends, Salah Nasser Salim 'Ali, 27, and Muhammad Faraj Ahmed Bashmilah, 37, arrested separately in August 2003. Salah was detained in Indonesia, then flown to Jordan, where Muhammad was already under arrest. They say they were hung upside down and beaten for several days, before being flown to an unknown country about four hours' flying distance.

Neither man knew that the other was under arrest, but both described being detained in solitary confinement in an old underground prison, staffed by masked American guards, where western music was played in their cells 24 hours a day. Both men say they were moved after eight months, spending around three hours in a small aircraft, and then a helicopter, before being taken to another underground prison, this time modern, with air conditioning and surveillance cameras in the cells. This too was run by Americans, they say. The two men were returned to Yemen last May, but remain in custody. Amnesty says Yemeni officials have said they are being held at the request of US authorities. "What we have heard from these two men is just one small part of the much broader picture of US secret detentions around the world," said Sharon Critoph, the Amnesty researcher who interviewed them in Yemen.

Ahmed Agiza, 43, a doctor, and Muhammad Zery, 36, were abducted in Stockholm in December 2001, with the connivance of the Swedish government. Both were seeking asylum in Sweden, and had been convicted in absentia of membership of a banned Islamist group in their native Egypt. Agiza admits knowing Ayman Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command, but says he severed all links many years ago and insists he has renounced violence.

According to evidence to a Swedish parliamentary inquiry last year, they were taken to Bromma airport, Stockholm, by uniformed Swedish police and Americans wearing suits. They were stripped, searched, sedated and dressed in boiler suits and hoods. They were shackled and bundled on to a Gulfstream 5 executive jet, before being flown to Cairo. This aircraft has flown in and out of the UK at least 60 times since December 2001, most recently with a new tail number. Senior Swedish police officers told the parliamentary inquiry the aircraft was operated by the CIA.

Both men later told relatives and Swedish diplomats that they were subjected to electric shock torture in Egypt. Zery was released from prison almost two years later. Agiza was jailed for 25 years, reduced to 15 on appeal.

[sandman]

interesting article.

i wonder what music they played?

[Izzy]

Poor bastards were in the wrong place at the wrong time - they deserve significant compensation for that - but of course the CIA aren't going to leave any evidence for a trial.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

interesting article.

i wonder what music they played?

yeah i laughed my ass off !!!

[jarmo]

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=24304.0

Locked at least until the end of the year.



/jarmo