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« on: August 24, 2005, 09:43:16 PM »

Folks, Sanctuary looks to be in some trouble, and the recent rumblings of a Warner Bros buyout looks to have fallen through.? Apparently, rumour has it that artists are not receiving checks.? This could be why Duff and Slash have not received theirs, or maybe not.

On other fronts, if Sanctuary is going down, then a new suitor for Chinese Democracy, management, promotion, and booking of shows is going to be necessary.? There is no doubt that 2005 is completely out of the question.

With the whole record industry going up in flames, I don't know if this thing will ever see the light of day.? Axl obviously missed his chance right after Rio III.

More woes for Sanctuary as buy-out talks collapse
Tue Aug 23, 2005 04:53 AM ET
By Adam Pasick
LONDON, Aug 23 (Reuters) - Music group Sanctuary (SGP.L: Quote, Profile, Research) , home to artists ranging from Axl Rose to Elton John, warned of further deterioration to its trading conditions on Tuesday and said that key buy-out talks had fallen through.

Shares, which stood at 42 pence at the beginning of the summer, continued their slide, falling 35 percent to 11-1/4 pence by 0839 GMT -- their lowest point in more than 13 years.

The company said it has obtained waivers and amendments to its financial covenants, and increased some of its bank facilities to 120 million pounds ($216 million). It has also obtained waivers and amendments to its outstanding 30 million pounds of convertible loan notes.

"Trading has remained difficult, which, together with the operational constraints placed on the business during this time, seems likely to result in a further deterioration of the results for the full year," the company said in a statement.

Sanctuary said in June that it was in talks with an outside party that could result in a bid for part or all of the company, but it said on Tuesday that those particular discussions were "unlikely to lead to an offer at or near to the current share price".

Sanctuary is the world's biggest independent music label and a major player in artist management, touring and merchandising.

A period of rapid growth saw it buy up several large artist-management companies, but problems at units such as Sanctuary Urban -- headed by Mathew Knowles, father and manager of singer Beyonce -- have hit a sour note in recent months, including a profit warning in June.

Sanctuary said that discussions are continuing with several other parties which could lead to "a range of possible transactions including a possible offer for the company".

The company has held talks with EMI (EMI.L: Quote, Profile, Research) , Warner Music Group (WMG.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and several private-equity and venture-capital groups about a potential investment, asset sale or buy-out, according to sources familiar with the situation.

"While we are relieved that Sanctuary has renegotiated some its covenants, we believe the situation remains highly risky until Sanctuary provides some evidence of being able to pay down debt, perhaps through a disposal of some of its music catalogue," the media team at Numis Securities said in a research note.

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh48622_2005-08-23_08-53-11_l23596876_newsml
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2005, 08:26:51 AM »

If Sanctuary would go down...it really is a bad sign when shares are penny stocks now...how would that effect chinese democracy? Does anyone know on which label CD would appear? There seems to be total chaos and confusion...as far as I know Sanctuary owns/ manages the publishing for old and future songs, as well as band Management.

But the release of CD would still be up to Geffen/Interscope/Universal Huh And they`d also do the promo and ad?

If so, GNR would "only" need a new management which  as far as I can see it, might not be bad at all. Sometimes I really have the impression that GnR is maybe the worst managed band on the planet, which might be partly Axl`s fault. 
You just have to look back and see all the BS that happened in the 02/03 tour. Appearance at the VMA but no concept at all. Tour dates were announced for 01 and noone in the GnR Camp knew about it. Collabo with Clear Channel ended up as a desaster. And that noone seems to  know what is going on and communication is just horrible does not make things look any brighter for the management.
Sanctuary can not even manage their own, so how could they manage a guy as unpredictable as Axl???

So after all Sanctuary and Merck might not be such a big loss after all. I really have the impression that the only thing working in GnR management is the lawyer division!

Anyone else has this feeling?
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2005, 09:07:52 AM »

Damn! Just when we get a few glimmers of hope for next year, we have to come crashing back down to reality. You are absolutely right, 2001-02 was Axl's golden opportunity, and that's gone. We are entering the final stages in the CD saga, whether it comes out or not. If we get to next summer and we're still speculating, its not coming out. Its apparent that there are major tidal forces preventing the completion and release of this project. If we hit July with no CD, its time for Axl to pull the plug, before Interscope/Sanctuary, or even the fans, decide to pull the plug for him. Better for him to go out on his own terms.
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2005, 09:27:16 AM »

could a release of cd kind of save sactuary tho?
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2005, 09:36:51 AM »

erose, I think it could. a CD release would bring a good amount of exposure to Sanctuary. This would expose them to new artists, and they could easily increase their clientele. Or, they could use the exposure to increase their chances of selling the company. They could go either way with it.
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2005, 04:48:54 AM »

I think the reason why no one has bought Sanctuary out as yet is because their debts are sky high, and they value themselves a bit too much at the moment.

When their shares drop even more, someone big will walk in, and literally get the business for less than a few grand.

I reckon the potential buyers are waiting for that moment. It will get saved, there's far too much business in there for it to just die out like that. Or eventually, its those banks who have loaned the cash that will take over the running of the business.

Imaging the pressure on Mr Rose then. Those beancounters are not interested in anything else other than their bottom line.
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2005, 11:35:01 AM »

Imaging the pressure on Mr Rose then. Those beancounters are not interested in anything else other than their bottom line.

 rofl Axl would be royally fucked then, those banksharks would sit Axl down and be like "ok plain and simple, you've been given 13 mill almost for an album that hasnt even surfaced???!!?!?".
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2005, 02:38:30 PM »

Guns is not on the Sanctuary Record Label, they are on Geffen which is owned by Interscope which is owned by Universal Music Group..... they are the ones who gave Axl the $13 million, not Sanctuary! Sanctuary only manage the band and own Axls share of the publishing rights to old and new Guns songs. While the release of CD would bring in some money to Sanctuary (if they start whoring out the back/future catalog to tv movies etc) the ones who will ultimatly benifit will be Universal! Axl is not the solution to Sanctuarys problems!

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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2005, 05:22:58 PM »

I wonder if Green Day had so many blocks on their path when they decided to release their last record.  Tongue
Axl's cursed in a way.  Sad
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