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« Reply #60 on: August 22, 2005, 12:04:02 PM »

A New (London) Low
A refrigerator box under the bridge: The Kelo Seven prepares for the worst

by Jonathan O'Connell - July 14, 2005
Those who believe in the adage "when it rains, it pours" might take the tale of the plaintiffs in Kelo v. New London as a cue to buy two of every animal and a load of wood from Home Depot. The U.S. Supreme Court recently found that the city's original seizure of private property was constitutional under the principal of eminent domain, and now New London is claiming that the affected homeowners were living on city land for the duration of the lawsuit and owe back rent. It's a new definition of chutzpah: Confiscate land and charge back rent for the years the owners fought confiscation.

In some cases, their debt could amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Moreover, the homeowners are being offered buyouts based on the market rate as it was in 2000 .

The hard rains started falling that year, when Matt Dery and his neighbors in Fort Trumbull learned that the city planned to replace their homes with a hotel, a conference center, offices and upscale housing that would complement the adjoining Pfizer Inc. research facility.

The city, citing eminent domain, condemned their homes, told them to move and began leveling surrounding houses. Dery and six of his neighbors fought the takeover, but five years later, on June 23, the downpour of misfortune continued as the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that the city could claim the property for economic development.

Dery owns four buildings on the project site, including his home and the birthplace and lifelong home of his 87-year-old mother, Wilhelmina. Dery plans to make every remaining effort to keep his land, but with few legal options remaining, he's planning for the worst.

And for good reason. It's reasonable to think that people who purchased property years ago (in some cases, decades ago) would be in a position to cash in, especially since they're being forced from their homes. But that's not the case.

The New London Development Corp., the semi-public organization hired by the city to facilitate the deal, is offering residents the market rate as it was in 2000, as state law requires. That rate pales in comparison to what the units are now worth, owing largely to the relentless housing bubble that has yet to burst.

"I can't replace what I have in this market for three times [the 2000 assessment]," says Dery, 48, who works as a home delivery sales manager for the New London Day . He soothes himself with humor: "It's a lot like what I like to do in the stock market: buy high and sell low."

And there are more storms on the horizon. In June 2004, NLDC sent the seven affected residents a letter indicating that after the completion of the case, the city would expect to receive retroactive "use and occupancy" payments (also known as "rent") from the residents.

In the letter, lawyers argued that because the takeover took place in 2000, the residents had been living on city property for nearly five years, and would therefore owe rent for the duration of their stay at the close of the trial. Any money made from tenantssome residents' only form of incomewould also have to be paid to the city.

With language seemingly lifted straight from The Goonies , NLDC's lawyers wrote, "We know your clients did not expect to live in city-owned property for free, or rent out that property and pocket the profits, if they ultimately lost the case." They warned that "this problem will only get worse with the passage of time," and that the city was prepared to sue for the money if need be.

A lawyer for the residents, Scott Bullock, responded to the letter on July 8, 2004, asserting that the NLDC had agreed to forgo rents as part of a pretrial agreement in which the residents in turn agreed to a hastened trial schedule. Bullock called the NLDC's effort at obtaining back rent "a new low."

"It seems like it is simply a desperate attempt by a nearly broke organization to try to come up with more funds to perpetuate its own existence," Bullock wrote. He vowed to respond to any lawsuit with another.

With the case nearly closed, the NLDC may soon make good on its promise to sue. Jeremy Paul, an associate UConn law dean who teaches property law, says it's not clear who might prevail in a legal battle over rent. "From a political standpoint, the city might be better off trying to reach some settlement with the homeowners," he says.

An NLDC estimate assessed Dery for $6,100 per month since the takeover, a debt of more than $300K. One of his neighbors, case namesake Susette Kelo, who owns a single-family house with her husband, learned she would owe in the ballpark of 57 grand. "I'd leave here broke," says Kelo. "I wouldn't have a home or any money to get one. I could probably get a large-size refrigerator box and live under the bridge."

That's one way to get out of the rain.
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« Reply #61 on: August 22, 2005, 05:18:19 PM »

I`d like to see what would happen if a city wanted to put a freeway thru Judge Rhenquist`s property, what would happen then?
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« Reply #62 on: August 22, 2005, 07:11:51 PM »

I`d like to see what would happen if a city wanted to put a freeway thru Judge Rhenquist`s property, what would happen then?

The thing is horrible.

1. They loose their home.

2. Then offered the market price in 2000 for their home, thus losing thousands upon thousands of dollars in appreciation money.

3. Threatened to pay back rent....wtf!!!!???

How much more heartless can people get?
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« Reply #63 on: August 22, 2005, 08:24:23 PM »

I`d like to see what would happen if a city wanted to put a freeway thru Judge Rhenquist`s property, what would happen then?
Rehnquist was part of the dissent, he voted against the ridiculous decision.  He is one of the biggest supporters of property rights on the court.
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« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2005, 12:10:36 AM »

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Rehnquist was part of the dissent, he voted against the ridiculous decision.  He is one of the biggest supporters of property rights on the court.

Now don't come out and say that.  How could a conservative do the right thing for the common man?  You're destroying the illusion that many hold that conservatives are out to fuck the common man.  Roll Eyes Don't throw facts their way. 
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« Reply #65 on: August 23, 2005, 08:36:42 AM »

This has been all over the news in CT.  From the sounds of the reports, the CT state legislature is going to step in to try to present some of the "vengance" tactics the city is taking.  Blumenthal has also pledged support of his office to the homeowners to make sure they're treated as fairly as possible, given the SC decision.

In addition, it sounds very likely that CT will be passing legislation this upcoming session preventing municipalities from doing stuff like this (the unbridled use of ED) in the future.
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« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2005, 09:33:48 AM »

This has been all over the news in CT.? From the sounds of the reports, the CT state legislature is going to step in to try to present some of the "vengance" tactics the city is taking.? Blumenthal has also pledged support of his office to the homeowners to make sure they're treated as fairly as possible, given the SC decision.

In addition, it sounds very likely that CT will be passing legislation this upcoming session preventing municipalities from doing stuff like this (the unbridled use of ED) in the future.
Despite the decision, it does seem that it will be difficult for the legislatures to actually pursue such land transfers without political suicide in many places.
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« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2005, 12:19:45 PM »

This has been all over the news in CT.? From the sounds of the reports, the CT state legislature is going to step in to try to present some of the "vengance" tactics the city is taking.? Blumenthal has also pledged support of his office to the homeowners to make sure they're treated as fairly as possible, given the SC decision.

In addition, it sounds very likely that CT will be passing legislation this upcoming session preventing municipalities from doing stuff like this (the unbridled use of ED) in the future.
Despite the decision, it does seem that it will be difficult for the legislatures to actually pursue such land transfers without political suicide in many places.

It would be difficult for a career politician to do without committing career suicide, that's true.  But many ED executions are not done by the state, but by municipalites/towns/cites.  In that setting, there are far fewer "career politicians" and lots more "moonlighters".   And those are the types of people that "did" the New London deal, on the city side of things.  They could care less if they get re-elected as long as they push their agenda through before they're ousted.  It's quite common in small town politics...
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« Reply #68 on: August 23, 2005, 01:44:13 PM »

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Rehnquist was part of the dissent, he voted against the ridiculous decision.? He is one of the biggest supporters of property rights on the court.

Now don't come out and say that.? How could a conservative do the right thing for the common man?? You're destroying the illusion that many hold that conservatives are out to fuck the common man.? Roll Eyes Don't throw facts their way.?

They are all out to fuck the common man. Liberals just use lubrication.
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