Axl is not becoming a "Freak" to the majority of the general public

[Carlos_f_Rose]

Can you  tell us, what the movie was about?

[Axl4Prez2004]

When I said the look is important, people told me I exagerated. And by reading this topic, what was the thing people refered to about the VMA? Axl's look...it prooves I'm not so wrong. When you diseapear during a decade, the FIRST thing people see is how you look. It's just like that, no explanation. Imagine that Eminem deseaperes right now and comes-back in 2015, what will the be first thing you'll see when he comes back? his look. How he has evolved physically. You'll try to see if he is the same motherf*** as 10 years ago. It will be your first impression. Then you're going to? forget that point, sure. But first, you'll d?finitely care about the look. Come on It's human. It's extremely rational.
And do you know why most of people (I mean non-GN'R fans) didn't like the new GN'R? because of their look (not all of them hoppefully):
First impression = bad impression = no interest. That's it. It's almost mathematic.
Now, you can say "oh I don't care about the look, let's just Fuck that, I do what I want if I want to turn Goth I do it". OK that's your right, but don't complain if you have poor record sales or if things fail as a consequence. People won't go to you, you've to bring them to you, You've to attract them, your image has to say "come on to me" and not "get outta here".

Words from a very brillant Marketing Studient. Believe me, I'm not so wrong on that point. Sure, the most important is the music, but if you are not normal (and the look is a part of what we called normality), you'll not bring normal people (= general public, those who buy your records) to you. They will leave! No interest, unless your music is giant. is that so complicated to understand?

 

 1st off, can I say that I LOVE Nesquick's avitar?  A little fuzzy, but if it's the same chick you had on there before, she's smokin'.

  Now, everyone has to realize that Nesquick's right on the mark when it comes to popularity and sales.  We all know the music of new GNR is unbelievably good.  We haven't even heard the "big guns," and this stuff is already awesome without a studio recording even released!  But, your looks do matter.  Maybe Axl isn't looking for huge sales and popularity...but I'll bet my ass the record company wants to move some product!  Think about that for awhile. 

  Best case scenario:  Axl gets into as good a shape as a guy in his 40's can be, Finck lets some hair grow in and loses some makeup, Fortus/Stinson and Brain don't change a thing, and Buckethead makes some guest appearances to add a layer of unpredictability and to be honest...adds some comic relief.  Axl finally decides to open up to at least one member of the press, Loder? or someone, to actually make him appear human.  A single is dropped as an accompaniment/tie-in to the new Batman.  New Batman/New GNR.  Between September and November, album is dropped.  And obviously my dream would be a kick-ass performance at half-time at Super Bowl 40!  (Super Bowl XL)

   

   

[nesquick]

the girl on my avatar is dawn hot!

Maybe Axl isn't looking for huge sales and popularity

I highly doubt it. It would mean he doesn't want the album to be successfull? exept kurt cobain, I don't know who doesn't want his materiel not to be successfull. Axl has a HUGE ego, wich is a quality, and he definitely wants his music to be loved by a maximum of persons.

[Axlism]

he's the laughing stock of the world of nerdy computer addicts writting stuff over the internet to make themselves feel better.

Yes

And the 'world' of music journalism, tv, radio, hell - the world itself!

Seriously, if you don't have a computer and you don't care much about GNR you have no idea what's going on.

As if people who check this site have a clue - nothing is going on hence why Axl is a joke to the population at large.

Regular People last saw GNR at the VMAS, and he looked cool.

U mean the overweight puffing out of tune Axl looked cool?

Maybe to u but 'regular people' won't have agreed

OUCH ! I see I hit a soft spot "nerdy computer addicts writting stuff over the internet to make themselves feel better."

Read the post above yours ,you ?pathetic nerdy computer addict. ?

+ the fact that nothing is going is not a reason to become a laughing stock. ?Just like the singer from the beach boys and how his album took 35 or so years to make. Nobody even noticed it untill he released the album. ( Except for nerdy pathetic ?beach boys groupies .)

How is it possible you are both in this heated 'debate', and I can't agree with either of you? Ok, in no order...

1. Yes, if one guy is on a board posting and calls other posters "nerdy computer addicts", he is sadly dis-'illusioned'

2. What do computers have to do with knowing about GnR? By 93 the internet was not even prominant, were all the fans then computer geeks too?

3. People who check this site might have a clue! Some? A few? None huh, wow, bad site. It's good to know you have such deep insight to everyone here.

4. ("the fact that nothing is going is not a reason to become a laughing stock.") Yes, I agree.

5. Later in the...sentence...( "Just like the singer from the beach boys and how his album took 35 or so years to make. Nobody even noticed it untill he released the album. ( Except for nerdy pathetic ?beach boys groupies.")

Ok, now in my 1st post here, oddly, I mentioned similarities between Wilson and Axl in reclusive nature and eccentric behavior. The 2 have been compared before,btw, in this vein. By "nerdy pathetic Beach Boy groupies", lol, you are speaking of artists like Clapton, Lennon, McCartney, Dylan, etc, just so you know who they are. There are many 'new artists' (list to be provided if need be) that are huge fans as well, it's like being a Beatles fan. I don't speak of the surfin stuff here, for it was not as revolutionary.

As to the album that took 35 years to make, you are close, it took a year. It was done in 1967, and shelved for 35 years, then redone by Wilsons new band, not the Beach Boys, that's what came out last year. They re-recorded it in 2 months btw.

Nice chatting with you both, have a great day!

[D]

Sex Sells but it doesnt sell GNR records.

If Justin Timberlake was gone for 10 years and came back, looks would be important.

GNR were never a pretty band, they were never thought of as hunks and werent packaged as hot guys.

it all comes down to the music, that is all that matters.

Axl isnt fat, he still looks good enough, but like i said, Pop boy wonders or girls must look great cause its part of the packaging

when it comes to a Guns N Fucking Roses record

its all about the music baby.

[Warren]

its all about the music baby.

It's all about the attitude. (Music is only a small part of the attitude)

[mikegiuliana]

Can you? tell us, what the movie was about?

I forget I just remember lots of axl rose mentions... It's not a movie listed on all the sites that have gnr mentions.. Like say the first wives club that mention gnr, or brainscan that mentions axl rose.. This movie was more like a low budget flick from the late 80's or early 90's...

[Wooody]

he's the laughing stock of the world of nerdy computer addicts writting stuff over the internet to make themselves feel better.

Yes

And the 'world' of music journalism, tv, radio, hell - the world itself!

Seriously, if you don't have a computer and you don't care much about GNR you have no idea what's going on.

As if people who check this site have a clue - nothing is going on hence why Axl is a joke to the population at large.

Regular People last saw GNR at the VMAS, and he looked cool.

U mean the overweight puffing out of tune Axl looked cool?

Maybe to u but 'regular people' won't have agreed

OUCH ! I see I hit a soft spot "nerdy computer addicts writting stuff over the internet to make themselves feel better."

Read the post above yours ,you ?pathetic nerdy computer addict. ?

+ the fact that nothing is going is not a reason to become a laughing stock. ?Just like the singer from the beach boys and how his album took 35 or so years to make. Nobody even noticed it untill he released the album. ( Except for nerdy pathetic ?beach boys groupies .)

How is it possible you are both in this heated 'debate', and I can't agree with either of you? Ok, in no order...

1. Yes, if one guy is on a board posting and calls other posters "nerdy computer addicts", he is sadly dis-'illusioned'

2. What do computers have to do with knowing about GnR? By 93 the internet was not even prominant, were all the fans then computer geeks too?

3. People who check this site might have a clue! Some? A few? None huh, wow, bad site. It's good to know you have such deep insight to everyone here.

4. ("the fact that nothing is going is not a reason to become a laughing stock.") Yes, I agree.

5. Later in the...sentence...( "Just like the singer from the beach boys and how his album took 35 or so years to make. Nobody even noticed it untill he released the album. ( Except for nerdy pathetic ?beach boys groupies.")

Ok, now in my 1st post here, oddly, I mentioned similarities between Wilson and Axl in reclusive nature and eccentric behavior. The 2 have been compared before,btw, in this vein. By "nerdy pathetic Beach Boy groupies", lol, you are speaking of artists like Clapton, Lennon, McCartney, Dylan, etc, just so you know who they are. There are many 'new artists' (list to be provided if need be) that are huge fans as well, it's like being a Beatles fan. I don't speak of the surfin stuff here, for it was not as revolutionary.

As to the album that took 35 years to make, you are close, it took a year. It was done in 1967, and shelved for 35 years, then redone by Wilsons new band, not the Beach Boys, that's what came out last year. They re-recorded it in 2 months btw.

Nice chatting with you both, have a great day!

Oh but I never said I wasn't a pathetic nerdy computer addict 

BTW I believe chidem has been shelved as well.

[mikegiuliana]

big difference between a brian wilson solo album compared to a guns n roses album.. There's a difference between an axl rose solo album compared to a new gnr album... It may sound like the same thing, but new gnr is supposed to be a band and is carrying the gnr name..

[Intercourse]

Axl came back to the world with no new music and a band of unrecognisables. This  left only one thing for press and public to to focus on: his look. I think the problem with Axls look is, as with everything he does, is he is trying too hard.

In the world today men can get away with growing old gracefully, wringles and grey hair can be seen as distinguishing and sexy by the ladies...good for us!!!!...(see George Clooney etc)

Compare Axl to another mega-star singer his age..Bono.
Bono has aged quite a lot in the last ten years (compare pictures from the Zoo TV tour to the Vertigo tour). Nobody really passes any negative comments on that because its allowed. It is well known that Bono has had hair transplants; he gets no shit for that though...why? Well it's simple, no man (including cynical journos) actually want to go bald. Most men would sympathize with another man loosing his hair against his will.  Bono had the cash to do something about it and chose to get hair that suited his age, and look. As a result, he looks ok and he gets no shit. Most men would agree that if you can afford to have hair, why not?
Axls braids are just wrong for a white man in his forties. They also don't suit the public?s perception of Axl as a rock star. His pandering to the rap community dress wise has cheapened his legacy in the eyes of the press (and makes him look silly for a forty something) so the press and public let him have it.

Recent pictures of Axl have shown us a pink man with skin stretched too tight and smooth across his face for a man in his forties, it just doesn't look entirely normal. Wrinkles are normal on a forty something, shiney pink skin is not..hence more bashing. 

In fact, you can take a slew of front men aging before our eyes who don't get any crap for it because they stay within the limits of taste...I thought James Hetfield looked cool in 'Some Kind of Monster' (even if he behaved like a wuss half the time), Chris Cornell still looks amazing at 41. The fact is, they did right by their age and their rock legacy and they stayed cool. Axl has ignored both and has suffered.
Just my two cents worth.

[mikegiuliana]

well said intercourse.. Very simple terms is he was gone for a good 9 years out of the limelight, he was the premiere frontman, last big rockstar and when he came back his look was so extreme in change compared to his old look people just focused on his apperance.. Nowadays the vmas are known for what you are wearing, what your hair looks like who had work done, etc.. it was very easy to focus on axl because everything was so different.. Not to mention no new music to focus on so the press or fans or the vh1 show and magazines shifted to his apperance only.. He is now frozen in time from the vmas... Once he comes back and does some great music all the focus on his apperance only will? shift..

guys like bono aged in front of their fans so it was natural to just accept it

[nesquick]

great posts guys. This is very true. Also I'd like to add that Axl changed? much more from 2001 (RIR) to 2002 than from 1994 to 2001 (for me)

[ppbebe]

As if the old image of GN'R had been to everyone's taste.
As if they had worried about appearances for decency's sake.
As if the media hadn't crack a joke about Axl in the old days.

What won public favour the most was the music.

I remember reading the magazine, Smash Hits or something, that made fun of Axl's tattoo.
like:  AFD cross- to reminds him what band he's in,
        His name- in case he forgets his name,
        A girl- just in case he forgets his sexual preference?

Axl never has been BONO BJ or whoever, and vice versa. Each to his own. 

[Axlism]

" Oh but I never said I wasn't a pathetic nerdy computer addict?

BTW I believe chidem has been shelved as well."


Lol, and true.
I know what you mean about Chinese, it's scary to think. It really is a great album, and it kills me to see it rot in Axl-gatory. I truly hope you are wrong, but we sure are watching the years go by eh? From 00, when it sounded like a "Beck album", to 02 the "Here it comes" comeback, to quotes like "It's sure to be out by fall", last fall. It is getting to where I just want to raid the vaults and re-open Vigatone! Unfortunately, I have no idea where the vaults are, nor how to raid them.

[Axlism]

Axl came back to the world with no new music and a band of unrecognisables. This? left only one thing for press and public to to focus on: his look. I think the problem with Axls look is, as with everything he does, is he is trying too hard.

In the world today men can get away with growing old gracefully, wringles and grey hair can be seen as distinguishing and sexy by the ladies...good for us!!!!...(see George Clooney etc)

I concur. He does seem to be trying too hard to "fit in "now. What he should remember is it's the way he is/was that is what's cool and hip. He's not supposed to conform, yet he has his own fears as well. Does he still have the New Age advisor? If so, he should dump her 1st thing in the morning. He gets too into things, compulsively, seeking answers, bla bla bla. He should just let his hair down, literally, and rock the house again. THAT'S what regains respect and praise.

The VMA's are really a wonder to me, you guys are right, ALL they (Stern, press, etc) focused on was his new look. I thought he looked fine, and was more impressed to hear him hit the highs of "Ahh free the ball the chains, we held together" in Madagascar, as Rio did not have the pleasure. It was the 1st time that was unearthed, and it was F'n' amazing. The whole house had the true classic Axl bellows ring from pier to rafter, filling the blank musical void of today with a shining moment of glory! ....and what do they speak of, his hair and face. I even read USA today say how he "SHrieked out Madagascar", what boobs.

He was puffing during Jungle, that big run did him in, lol. I think he forgot he hadn't been running much. As to his look, he was fat as a house in Rio, and looked much better in 02, I thought.

Great points, as for him growing old gracefully, yeah, it's tough for some to come to grips with... I recon.

[nesquick]

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? People don't like icons who drasticly change

People loved Axl the way he was, that's why he became famous and was the biggest Rockstar in the world in the late 80's and early 90's. When people don't recognize the guy who made them dream when they were younger, in their mind, something is broken. I agree with the person who said the only way for him to regain popularity from the general public is to come back as himself, as "the Axl" everybody loved in its youth. Putt off these braids and this fake style, and come back with the classic red bandana on his real hair by singing "take me down to the paradise city where the grass is green and the girls are pretty". That's Axl for me. You know, if tomorow Slash deseapeare for 10 years, shaves his head, stop playing with a Gibson, putt off his top hat, and dress as Puff Daddy trying to look "cool" for the younger generation, don't you think it will hurt his myth? Sure it wil. Because people won't recognize the guy they grew up with.

[muideka]

i'm just glad axl is still around, far too many of the really really greats dont live to be as old as axl is now.

i listen to the gnr greatest hits cd over and over and love it as much now as i ever did.

he can be as weird as he wants just as long as hes on this planet i'm a happy man.

i'm guess i'm just curious as to what the hell he does all day long?? anyone know? does he still live in LA, and is he still married to the model chick?

i keep hoping to see a vh1 behind the music with gnr to find out.? i wonder if they ever did one for gnr?

as long as he's still around the earth is a greater place, no matter how he looks.

big ups to axl !!!!!!!!!