Axl's Initial Vision Was Wrong

[GNRisAFD]

I think his vision of GNR has changed over the years from techno rubbish "My World" to the classic "Chinese Dem" and "Madagascar". I'm confident that Axl is going to make a mainly classic rock album with a touch of expirementation but nothing that is overpowering.  

The rock songs on CD will still be ferocious but they will be deeper than the sex drugs n rock n roll of say "Its So Easy" or Mr Brownstone", just look at Chinese Dem for example, to me it is a hard rock song but it has meaning behind the song.

The other aspect of CD will no doubt be a few epic power ballads like "The Blues" and "Madagascar" which Axl specializes in and i like that because it adds variety to an album, if anyone can pull off these power ballads it is Axl.

The final aspect of the album i think will contain just a little experimenting, i'm not sure what Axl will come up with but i'm sure he wouldn't put us through any techno/rap bullshit.

It is clear that Axl is trying to cover every base with this album, classic rock, power ballads etc but i think he will remain true to the GNR spirit. Its an ambitious effort this one it has the potential to be big or it will fail miserably (as has been said already).

The old GNR guys will think we could have played on an album like that but we thought Axl was pushing the envelope too far from what they recalled in the early 90's when Axl was focused on the techno/industrial. I think this is a different Axl from the early 90's, its a shame that he pushed his friends away because of his mistaken belief at the time of what GNR should be.

[nesquick]

Axl is not alone. I'm sure sincere people told him that a techno/indus album would be a disaster for him, Guns n' Roses, for its reputation, for record sales, and for the record company. A total disaster even worth. Could you imagine GEFFEN accepting an album with 15 or 17 horrible techno/indus tracks like "Silkworms" or "my world" Come on that's not serious...
I'm sure that Axl changed his plan and returned to a Classic-Rock music. and that's great.

[younggunner]

For the most part I agree with what you said.

People tend to forget Axls music roots.{ELton JOhn,queen,stones,aerosmith,etc}....We all know Axl has loved bands such as Janes Addiction, NIN, WHite Zobie etc as well. But I just dont understand why peopel think Axl will go off and just amke a NIN type album Theres no way in that happening.

Axl has always had a vision of how the old and new band should sound and progress. Thats his talent. Being able to incorporate new things yet keep the foundation and make it not only work but make it unique and still sound like gnr. Axl is an amazing talent.

To me the only question regarding this new band and the album is if they were able to capture all of thier talents musically and make it mesh and make it gnr. They certainly have the talent to make somehting special.

The songs they have previewed to us give me an indication that they indeed have got the sound down. But they have to deliver on the big guns. If those songs are killers then theres nothing to worry about. The great thing is songs like maddy,the blues,cd,and rhiad are the fillers. And thats a great thing. Those songs are great but commercially they arent classics. Unless the studio cuts are out of this world.

Time will tell. Yea Axl has issues but this band is extremely talented and Axl ROse is one of the greatest frontmen to ever live. If those boston clips are studio cuts, then I think there is a very good chance we will get a great album. Too much talent,time,money, desire,passion and emotions invested into this band and albums. They still have to have the music do the talking and they have big shoes to fill. As long as tehy continue the gnr legacy and add to it in a positive way musically, I will be one happy kid. Man when that release date comes, it will be like a national holiday. This board is gonna be a whole different beast. Instead of the same topics we will finally have music to talk about.

There will be threads on each song alone,the band etc...o man i cant wait. now hurry the fuck up malibu mafia motherfuckers....

[GNRisAFD]

Axl has always had a vision of how the old and new band should sound and progress. Thats his talent. Being able to incorporate new things yet keep the foundation and make it not only work but make it unique and still sound like gnr. Axl is an amazing talent.

Agree 100%, Axl has the ability to get something and take it to a completely different level which all good singers do.

I was 100% behind what VR was trying to do (get back to real rock n roll) but they just didn't have the execution to carry out their plan, it was too sloppy and Scott Weialand was the main culprit.

Weiland is a good singer in his own right but i beleive he doesn't have the ability to get something off Slash and Duff and take it to another level. Slash and Duff are just brilliant musicisians that sounded very contained on Contraband, like they weren't allowed to reach their best because someone was holding them back.

Axl is the only singer today who can keep up with Slash and co. and then all at the same time almost stand out on his own amongst the ferocity of Slash's playing. Maybe i'm being unfair on Scott Weiland because he too had a strong patrnership with his STP buddies but this is another level for him.

I just can't understand why there was not a comprimise between Axl and Slash, at the very least they should've in the last 5 years sat down and discussed their musical differences and try to find a way around them if possible. I can see where both of them are coming from, could both of their ideals have existed in GNR at the same time?

[Falcon]

I was 100% behind what VR was trying to do (get back to real rock n roll) but they just didn't have the execution to carry out their plan, it was too sloppy and Scott Weialand was the main culprit.

#1 album, #1 song (2 different charts), sold out tour.

It seems all aspects of VR's "execution" have been just fine...

[jarmo]

#1 album, #1 song (2 different charts), sold out tour.

It seems all aspects of VR's "execution" have been just fine...

Maybe he wasn't talking about the sales but the artistic side of things.....




/jarmo

[Falcon]

#1 album, #1 song (2 different charts), sold out tour.

It seems all aspects of VR's "execution" have been just fine...

Maybe he wasn't talking about the sales but the artistic side of things.....




/jarmo

Maybe, but it appears the hard results relect the artistic vision was also executed just fine...

[oneway23]

Now we're validating artistic ambitions by looking at record sales?...It's irrelevant if VR is atop every single quantitative chart in the world...Not that VR haven't busted their asses thus far on the road, but the bottom line is that VR is, at least as of now, succeeding in my opinion primarily because of the enormous buzz created prior to the release and because of the reputations of all involved parties...Don't get me wrong, the album is impressive considering it was done in such a limited amount of time, but I'm skeptical as to the album's staying power...It's getting positive reviews because it's better than many had the right to expect, yet it has to be considered a slight disappointment due to the pedigree and the potential....If the record goes on to sell 20 million, great, but that scenario will not alter the opinion of fans who are certain that they are capable of so much more....I have an innate feeling that subsequent  releases will prove this to be the case....

[badapple81]

I agree. I'm not sure whether it was wrong for the time, but it does appear that from the mid-late 90s to now, the trends have changed and perhaps Axl's vision has too.

I anticipate a classic rock feel, with some extras touches, however I think that a lot of the songs will be epics/ballads like Madagascar, The Blues.. that kinda thing. I think they will be quite heavily produced but I think it will be amazing and really reflect the heavy emotions and thoughts going on.

[HoldenCaulfield]

Totally agree. At least lyrically, all of the new songs sound like stuff the original band would be doing, assuming all of the other players evolved. All of the songs so far are modern, but like old GNR songs, have messages behind them. Axl still has that power to convey such emotions.

[axls#2]

I believe mr. josh freese already stated this in an interview. He said that CD is going to be more like AFD than most think. I just hope it rocks, no offense to buckethead, he is an amazing player, but I have no idea what he would sound like on a cd with lyrics, would him and axl be on the same page? I think about Axl singing on Slither or Fall To Pieces and I sometimes wish that slash was still with them, but I guess i'd have to listen to the new tracks to see if bh or finck has brought anything good to the table.