how come they change the songs so often

[mikec]

I think the biggest reason is that there are multiple variations for each song, whether it be just alternate lyrics, chorus, or all arrangements.? I Believe it was Dizzy a few years back that said ther were 2 or 3 versions of each song recorded.? I think is why the changes.? I think the demo's were leaked to find not if people liked the song exactly, but the vibe of the song.? Remember there is a history with that with GNR.? Your crazy from AFD to Your Crazy acoustic (Lies).? ?And of Course Don't Cry and DC alternate lyrics.? I think we may have not truly heard the final product of the Blues, TWAT, etc...? I truly think that there really is a HUGE plan in place and it just so complex that nobody may have ever done it to this extent before.? I really think that there really is at least 2 albums done right now with the third close.? Potential Chinese Democracy 2 ect...? with alternate versions of each song, a cover album of actually good/popular songs, and the AFD Redo with the new band that will help tide us over in between actual new albums.? It all starts with the first step.

[25]

Trent Reznor is a perfectionist.

If so, he's been a dramatic failure. There's a big gap between "perfectionist" and "coke-addled paranoiac".
Seriously, if we're going to talk about long-awaited albums that don't live up to the hype. . . . 

[25]

I Potential Chinese Democracy 2 ect...  with alternate versions of each song

I don't see that happening. If they had 100 versions of each song, I'd bet that we'd only hear the album version on any official release. Maybe a demo as a b-side, to show you how much the song progressed, but that's it. I don't see Axl and the band working on these songs for years  and then turning around and handing you a bunch of earlier versions and saying "these are probably just as good." It's the Larry David Principle.

 

[AxlReznor]

I love guns n roses and all but i think axl lost the mark abit with his ever changing opinion on how he wanted the songs to sound etc. with so many frequent changes throughout the years on these collection of songs he has.for example there has been many variations in IRS / THE BLUES etc. why doesnt he let the spark at that moment and time be captured and leave it at that just like led zepplin done

If you think Led Zeppelin just wrote a song and left it you'd be wrong.  All bands change the structure, add bits, takes bits out of their songs until they have them sounding the way they want them.  It's how songs are written.  Difference is, GN'R have always been known to play their "work in progress" songs live.

[freedom78]

I Potential Chinese Democracy 2 ect...  with alternate versions of each song

I don't see that happening. If they had 100 versions of each song, I'd bet that we'd only hear the album version on any official release. Maybe a demo as a b-side, to show you how much the song progressed, but that's it. I don't see Axl and the band working on these songs for years  and then turning around and handing you a bunch of earlier versions and saying "these are probably just as good." It's the Larry David Principle.

Yeah, I can't really imagine a "Roots of Chinese Democracy" album, if that's what you mean.

[GNRreunioneventually]

hey if Axl wants to keep CHINESE DEMOCRACY back another month or two to touch up the smallest imperfections then so be it he's been doing that for the past 10 years if you don't believe me go to youtube and look at the 1999 demo of TWAT then look at it now plus a few months ago before i went to youtube i went to see if i could look at the lyrics i did then a week ago i went back there for shits and gigles and they canged a few thing for example in IRS it used to say after "gonna call the president-" it used to say somthing like-
"Gonna make this a federal case
Gonna wave it right down in your face
Repeat it with your morning anew
with police- hang over and the head lines true now"

but now it says

"Gonna make this a federal case
Gonna wave it right down in your face
Read it daily with your morning news
With a sweet hangover, and the headlines true now"

and with the improvements that Axl has made we as fans can only hope that CHINESE DEMOCRACY isn't far away

The lyric changes you read or heard or whatever don't even make sense. Every site that has IRS lyrics has slight changes in them. It's hard to understand what Axl is singing in several parts.

He supposedly put the finishing touches on the album at the end of October, when he fucked over a bunch of people and cancelled the first two shows. It's not being worked on now. They're busy touring.? No touches are being added. As long as it's been, with a band this good, it's either done or doesn't exist.

i'm gonna say that its done and will be out sooner than later maybe Dec., Jan., or Feb. and btw you sound like your an "inside man"? are you? just wondering.

Haha.. I wish.

If it does actually exist, and the words "Chinese Democracy" aren't just being used as a marketing tool, then it has to be done by now. If we're supposed to believe that the first 2 shows of the tour were cancelled to add finishing touches, then the work must have been finished. Otherwise, they would have cancelled the 3rd show/4th show/however many it took. So, based on that, I'm saying no changes are being made and Axl is simply afraid to release it.

why would he be afraid of releasing it? those songs are pure GOLD.

[JimMorrison4]

Afraid it'll be a big flop.

[2007what!]

Trent Reznor is a perfectionist. Axl is just anal. If it takes you 10 years to perfect something, hang it up.

I read that he said this new album "is a complex record, kinda like Queen". Well, buddy, it didn't take Queen 10 years

you don't know shit about the delays and neither do any of us so just shut up and be happy the record is coming, you will be very grateful he has taken his time with it when you put it in your CD player.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Some songs have gotten better and some have gotten worse. Teh blues has gotten worse. I miss the guitars at the beginning. TWAT from the 99 demo to the newer one got much better. CD the song got better. Maddy is about the same save for BHs solo which i miss. 

[dk]

Trent Reznor is a perfectionist. Axl is just anal. If it takes you 10 years to perfect something, hang it up.

I read that he said this new album "is a complex record, kinda like Queen". Well, buddy, it didn't take Queen 10 years

Nice comparison you have of Trent and Axl.   

Queen didn't break up and reform almost every member of the band prior to making a complex album and I doubt GNR have been working continuously for 10 years to make this album.

[Refused]

If the album is actually completely recorded, it could still take a while for it to be released.
Seems to take around 6 months from completion of recording to the album being on shelves for most bands.

and some bands release it 2 weeks later (like u2 did)

I meant from the time recording is finished, so the mixing, mastering, promotion, CD pressing etc.
I suppose it is possible within 2 weeks. A lot of labels seem to hold back releases until there is a better time to unleash them!

[ben9785]

No I don't think they've been consistently working on the album since 1995 or whatever. Considering the numerous lineup changes, having to rehearse with new band members, rehearsing the songs, teaching each new band member the songs, getting to the studio, in between Axl's own personal life, his lawsuits, his "exile" i guess if you want to sum it up..

I don't think the album(/s?) are something that have been actively persued in all the time. I'm sure Axl has messed around with a guitar or a drum loop in his little cave over the years, but in terms of contributions to the final album.. in one of the Rolling stone articles, they mention how, even as far as 1996 or 1997 or even later, I think Moby and Zakk Wylde were the ones who mentioned it in particular; they didn't even have material in the form of structured songs, all they had was tapes and tapes and tapes of musical ideas, riffs, progressions etc..

The songs have definitely progressed well; it's just a case of Axl being happy with how it will sound on the album.. he can change them however he wants when he plays live

Just on a slightly unrelated note.. Seriously the last 2 or 3 days I've been digging out every possible soundboard version I can of the song "Chinese Democracy".. i don't know about you guys, but it absolutely KILLS me when the only document I have of this killer, amazing song is just an unbalanced, unmixed soundboard recording.. No matter how many times I listen to the live version, it grows on me more and more.. Axl doesn't realise the quality of this music, he shouldn't be afraid of anything, if he is. That song man.. those riffs could just be generic grunge riffs but the way the song comes together.. seriously i don't know man.. Nirvana crossed with NIN.. and it fucking comes together in a way that isn't too desperate, it just fits so well...and AAGHHH

And "Madagascar", that song sounds HOLY, the big, grand, sweeping fucking EPIC man its an EPIC, the lead guitars all fuckin singing the chorus melody and the string arrangement, it just sounds surreal... WHY IS HE HOLDING IT BACK MAN WHY?? ITS JUST NOT FUCKING FAIR.

alright sorry needed to get that out

[jak0lantern01]

Cockroaches will rule the world long before anyone see's an official Chinese Democracy release.

[AxlsMainMan]

I think this version of The Blues is way better compared to the '01-'02 era of the song.

Now, it's by far more poppy-er, and more synth driven then it originally debuted as.

[GNRreunioneventually]

Afraid it'll be a big flop.

impossible. When CHINESE DEMOCRACY is released it will give the music world a much needed face lift. The same thing that happened to hair Metal when Nirvanna came out will happen to todays shit music when CHINESE DEMOCRACY is released. Or so i hope

[ben9785]

Afraid it'll be a big flop.

impossible. When CHINESE DEMOCRACY is released it will give the music world a much needed face lift. The same thing that happened to hair Metal when Nirvanna came out will happen to todays shit music when CHINESE DEMOCRACY is released. Or so i hope

I see no reason why it couldn't. Look at the music scene now. As you said, like Nirvana wiped out the bad 80s hair metal, then nu metal came, and now the resurgence in indie garage rock, and then emocore or whatever. Listen to the music we've heard so far, you can't really define it; it does have a classic / hard rock sound, but at the same time it doesn't sound dated, it sounds different to anything else that has come before.. it's taken the best bits of the last 10 years, and just made it sound a whole lot better than any of those bands did, if that makes sense

[JimMorrison4]

Afraid it'll be a big flop.

impossible. When CHINESE DEMOCRACY is released it will give the music world a much needed face lift. The same thing that happened to hair Metal when Nirvanna came out will happen to todays shit music when CHINESE DEMOCRACY is released. Or so i hope

lol You don't have to convince me. I think the new songs sound fantastic.