Why so many haters?

[Poof!]

Hate has become such a clich?.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Cause this ain't GN'R.

I personally find some satisfaction in remaining loyal to the band that sold all those albums and ruled the world.. if axl wasn't fronting this everyone would be crying the blues..

The morons throwing shit on stage are not loyal fans of the old band, they're assholes trying to create a disturbance.  If Axl wasn't fronting this everyone would be crying the blues, meaning what?  If Axl were to leave the band Guns N Roses would cease to exist. 

[mikegiuliana]

I don't know man you don't just turn on and off what you like.. If the gnr you loved had certain members and then they left you might not care for the new guys or a second coming...

about two months of live shows in a bunch of years, some leaks and few soundboards.. That doesn't just make me move on or fall in love with a band.. No other band affected me the way gnr did back in the day... ?Wether they wanted to play the songs or whatever that's irelevant to me, they still played them and were onstage each night.. I don't want to go to work today, but I'll be there.. Sure they left, that's what breaking up is, creative differences is grounds for break up, drugs ego, all same shit.. Axl stayed, what a suprise...

I think it's real cool to see axl out and about again, nice to hear his voice, cool seeing him at clubs and the grand prix.. Just I have no desire for the band or them using the gnr name...

You either get it or you don't.. It's just too weird seeing people playing slash's parts for me.. It's not like I was into gnr just for axl.. He needs to dump those classics and be new already..

I was talking hypothetically about axl, if he had left instead of the other guys you might not be like this is gnr that's it read the tickets man..

[mega_music]

There will always be haters! Axl and the guys knew there would be some negativity during the shows. We just need to take it with a grain of salt, because for every 1000 postive people there are only a few bad seeds. No matter what some asshole will always complain I think it gets them off or something.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

I don't know man you don't just turn on and off what you like.. If the gnr you loved had certain members and then they left you might not care for the new guys or a second coming...

about two months of live shows in a bunch of years, some leaks and few soundboards.. That doesn't just make me move on or fall in love with a band.. No other band affected me the way gnr did back in the day...  Wether they wanted to play the songs or whatever that's irelevant to me, they still played them and were onstage each night.. I don't want to go to work today, but I'll be there.. Sure they left, that's what breaking up is, creative differences is grounds for break up, drugs ego, all same shit.. Axl stayed, what a suprise...

I think it's real cool to see axl out and about again, nice to hear his voice, cool seeing him at clubs and the grand prix.. Just I have no desire for the band or them using the gnr name...

You either get it or you don't.. It's just too weird seeing people playing slash's parts for me.. It's not like I was into gnr just for axl.. He needs to dump those classics and be new already..

I was talking hypothetically about axl, if he had left instead of the other guys you might not be like this is gnr that's it read the tickets man..

Slash quit the band in 1996.  I was bitter about it for roughly 5 years, then I got over it.  I used to be one of the "oh this isn't really GnR, Axl should change the name" crowd but the more time went on the more I realized it didn't really matter.    Maybe if the old members were doing anything special since the breakup I'd be more upset, but the new GnR songs that we've heard are at least to me are better than Slash, Izzy and Duff have done since the breakup.  GnR could've become another old band, Motley Crue, Metallica, and released 3 or 4 mediocre albums since 1996.  I mean there's a reason why those bands haven't released good albums in so many years, they became complacent and knew they'd sell just because of their name.  From the music we've heard from the old members since they left GnR, it seems clear that they would've been content to go through the motions and release average albums because aside from Contraband and a few of Izzy's solo albums they haven't done anything that was better than average since the breakup.  And even Contraband was an excessively safe album that didn't take any chances.

Songs like Better and TWAT are closer in spirit to old GnR than anything that the other old members are doing anyway, even if they're different musically, the spirit and feeling of them is more GnR than Velvet Revolver's songs are.  I mean maybe if Slash and Izzy and Duff had been making some really great, amazing music like they did back when they were in GnR in the time since they left, I'd still be bitter over the breakup.  At this point though I've gotten over it.  I'd rather hear the new band play the old songs than never hear the old songs again, which is the alternative. 

[jimmythegent]

Hate has become such a clich?.

good point

this 'haters' shit is thrown around far too liberally and seems to be used to tarnish anyone who offers an objective criticism. The reasons he cops so much flak are plain to see:

a) fans of Guns N' Roses have a problem with Slash etc.. not featuring, as they were just as important to Guns as Axl

b) Axl is still inconsistent, both from a performance point of view and in the sense that he shows up late etc..

[monkeychow]

Cause this ain't GN'R.

I personally find some satisfaction in remaining loyal to the band that sold all those albums and ruled the world.. if axl wasn't fronting this everyone would be crying the blues..

The morons throwing shit on stage are not loyal fans of the old band, they're assholes trying to create a disturbance.  If Axl wasn't fronting this everyone would be crying the blues, meaning what?  If Axl were to leave the band Guns N Roses would cease to exist. 

Well it is interesting to wonder - what if slash had refused to go on stage until Axl signed the name away to GNR back in the day? Then when they fought it would have been Axl who left, then after 10 years, if it had just been Slash touring as GNR would people crack the shits?

I think they would - and god knows slash wrote some of the best riffs and solos of all time. So its not like he contributed nothing. Likewise Axl is one of the best frontmen of all time. But GNR was 5 guys! And Slash and Axl are the biggest 2 to many. And to replace those guys, then not release new stuff to prove the new band has anything special - shits off people. (Mind you I love the new band and the leaks...but its the plain hard fact that musically now 90% of the set is a cover-set for those guitarists not original.). I say bring on CD - like the tour is better than nothing - but without CD the new band will never get any legitimacy to ordinary people who were around in the 1980s

[Bill 213]

I guess my question would be then..........if you don't feel like these guys are Guns N Roses...then why be here? ?Why even bother wasting your time reading about what happens to them or what they do? ?Obviously for everyone on here that doesn't support the new guys, there's a reason that they're here. ?Curiousity killed the cat you know. ?Either way, Axl did exactly what everyone said...he stayed loyal to the people that made him. ?He worked his ass off for many many years to bring to everyone a product that could live up to the name. ?He was innovative, while maintaining a similar vibe to the past. ? What if Axl walked away from GNR back in 96 after Slash left? ?Just left GNR fade off into oblivion. ?They would have became nostalga on the radio. ?The funny thing is, Axl doesn't have to do any of this. ?He could just take his millions, pull an Izzy and just dissappear for good. ?Say fuck all this, it's not worth doing it because people don't care. ?But they do, and that shows and this brings me to what I feel is the one thing Axl needs to do....let people know exactly why he's out there doing it. ?
I grew up listening to the old GNR. ?They were my favorite band ever since I was 9 years old and those songs (especially AFD) really hold a fond spot in my heart in those days. ? However as I got older, I change with the times. ?UYI's came out and it was a different band. ?The raw Appetite band was gone, but this change was good. ?I dug the big band, ellaborate stage setup, epic songs. ?Then TSI came out, a whole different sound. ?It was good, I enjoyed it....a huge change after hearing UYI, but I learned to like it. ?Then they dissappeared and I moved on. ?Bam here comes 1998 and all of a sudden you hear of Axl again. ?Oh My God came out and at first I thought it was weird, but after a few listens, I really dug it. ?ETC. ?Evolution, it's the way to go. ?The real GNR fans won't be unappreciative of everything the band has done. ?They've trudged along and are about to open a new chapter. ?I am all for what is to come and once the album comes out and it's rocking the fuck out of my cd player, I for one second can say, "Never doubted that he couldn't do it".

[mikegiuliana]

Shotgun man I've been there done that already, I never expected to hear the old songs again, so it would have never bothered me if we didn't hear them... ?Certain bands on this planet are so big or were so big that an entire lineup change like this is crazy.. To just continue it because axl owns the name to me is wrong.. it doesn't matter anyways this is how I feel and always will.. You can't just get into ?aband you either feel it or you don't.. Definetly would have been easier if axl had released cd and maybe started a new name being eevrything was new..

I actually like the other work from the ex members, saying they might had been one of those 3-4 album bands is opinion being I like the music the others have done.. Anyways not every album will be a masterpiece either

I guess I still want to hear cd and like to see where axl and the gnr name goes.. I do like a few tracks, more the leaks then the boots.
it's stil a gnr fansite and being big into the new to me means nothing about being a gnr fan

Do I have to be into the new queen or door to be on their sites

[Bill 213]

Do I have to be into the new queen or door to be on their sites

Nope, but notice how the only thing different on those bands is the lead singer....and that was the main factor of both of those bands even though they had amazing guitarists by their sides respectively (Kreiger and May). 

[mikegiuliana]

Do I have to be into the new queen or door to be on their sites

Nope, but notice how the only thing different on those bands is the lead singer....and that was the main factor of both of those bands even though they had amazing guitarists by their sides respectively (Kreiger and May).?

well I dont' agree with bands continuing on with different lead singers, never liked vh minus roth, I think sabbath without ozzy is crazy even though tony's guitar work/sound because of his tips and toned down guitar made the sabbath sound.. Then again I would like queen wtihout may, or zepplin without page, guitar based mega bands should nbot go on without their second half of the 1-2 punch

there's no use this argument can neevr be won or lost.. Like who you will, feel gnr is whoever you like.. I still respect axl ,he's my fav singer ever, just not the band I like being gnr..

[TWT]

It's a love/hate thing. Most of us on here love Axl for all his good qualities, while others focus on the supposed misogyny/racism of his lyrics, his diva behaviour, and not managing to put an album out for over a decade and now finally doing so under the GNR name without GNR. There's plenty to hate if you're that way inclined. And he's ginger as well, don't forget. No one likes a ginger.

I was called 'sad' for wearing a GNR top back in 1991. It's always been the same, Axl and GNR have always been hated and always will..

[Six Strings]

I really don't understand the people that think GN'R now is the same as it was. They are OK as  a band but they are nothing special. There is no magic, no obsession anymore. My opinion, of course...

[monkeychow]

It's a love/hate thing. Most of us on here love Axl for all his good qualities, while others focus on the supposed misogyny/racism of his lyrics, his diva behaviour, and not managing to put an album out for over a decade and now finally doing so under the GNR name without GNR. There's plenty to hate if you're that way inclined. And he's ginger as well, don't forget. No one likes a ginger.

I was called 'sad' for wearing a GNR top back in 1991. It's always been the same, Axl and GNR have always been hated and always will..

Yeah i cop a lot of shit for loving GNR as well.

Like my friend told me the other night that Axl was never going to be big again, and that i should get over it, and that its all over. This is a guy that hasn't heard the new tracks mind you!
And when VR came I went interstate to see more shows (i'm a huge fan of both Axl and Slash - dont get into this pick a side stuff) - and i got abused for that as well! LOL

[G2N2R]

It is a bit annoying that people won't get over the fact that the original GNR is gone and will never be back, barring a one night reunion they could do at the R&R Hall of Fame. I for one like the band and the songs they are producing, at first I was one of the people who didn't want to give them a chance but after hearing a few of the leaks and seeing them play at RIR5 I was amazed.

You can't change someones opinion, but for every 1 hater there are probably a hundred who think this band is awesome and have a ton of potential.. can't wait till Chineses Democracy comes out!