What if ...

[ppbebe]

Sorry if this doesn't belong, but I was thinking what if GNR where to surprise everyone and do a show with just the new material except for WTTJ and PC, and the in between songs would be The Blues, CD, Madagascar, Better, IRS, CITR, TWAT, Ryhiad, and OMG.  Would they be praised for their bravery for trying out all new material in one show, or would they be criticized for not playing more classics and disappointing their fans. 

Some Critics might praise but the crowd would be disappointed unless they are all from the fan boards.
I understand They have to do a run with this setlist so that people will be satisfied with the classics and get appetite for the new thing.

I'll praise them when they play only new materials and just a few oldies as extras, hopefully in fall.

[MadmanDan]

An all-new songs concert would rule, but why only songs that we know of?
 Madagascar, The Blues, CD, etc. are anything but new to hardcore GNR fans, and the new leaks are gettin old really fast. It's fuckin ridicoulous, so far not one single unheard song.

Fuck Appetite! Fuck 2001/2002 songs that they're "not considering puttin on the album".

They clame to have 30 songs ready. Fuckin prove it !

[McDuff]

Yeah I agree that they need to add some more new songs,but they'll never play all new songs,I mean that there are songs that  they will always have to play,like SCOM,WTTJ,PC,NR 

[godiva]

I would pay very good money to hear that. And I know I?m not the only one  Two of us together PP? Private concert? 

[pilferk]

Sorry if this doesn't belong, but I was thinking what if GNR where to surprise everyone and do a show with just the new material except for WTTJ and PC, and the in between songs would be The Blues, CD, Madagascar, Better, IRS, CITR, TWAT, Ryhiad, and OMG.? Would they be praised for their bravery for trying out all new material in one show, or would they be criticized for not playing more classics and disappointing their fans.? I would like to see for the upcoming US tour, to see GNR play 10 classics, and 10 new songs.

The die hards would go nuts.

The other 80% of the crowd would likely riot, boo, throw shit and pan the show as the worst thing ever.

[SLCPUNK]

Sorry if this doesn't belong, but I was thinking what if GNR where to surprise everyone and do a show with just the new material except for WTTJ and PC, and the in between songs would be The Blues, CD, Madagascar, Better, IRS, CITR, TWAT, Ryhiad, and OMG.  Would they be praised for their bravery for trying out all new material in one show, or would they be criticized for not playing more classics and disappointing their fans.  I would like to see for the upcoming US tour, to see GNR play 10 classics, and 10 new songs.

When you go to see a group, you go to hear their most popular stuff. It's the format most of the time.

[pilferk]

So? When they first started, no one heard their songs either, but that's how they get popular! You actually play them when you tour.

Rather, you release them on an album.

And remember...those posters that are "bored" of hearing the same old AFD songs:  Not everyone is listening to boots of 5, 10, 15 different shows that we listen to here, as die hards.

[PhillyRiot]

Good point.  Most of the fans at these shows are not die hards.  They've never heard the IRS or TWAT.  It would piss off the casual fan if they didn't play a lot of Appetite songs.  That is the fault of not releasing CD.

[pilferk]

Good point.? Most of the fans at these shows are not die hards.? They've never heard the IRS or TWAT.? It would piss off the casual fan if they didn't play a lot of Appetite songs.? That is the fault of not releasing CD.

Bingo!

For those of you who want an expanded set list....what you're really routing for is CD.  Because until it hits.....I doubt the set list is going to drastically change from what we've got.  Maybe a couple more UYI tracks thrown in during the tour...maybe rotating in TWAT or CITR (Brian May at Hammersmith??)...but largely the same set list. 

Hopefully, Axl is true to his word and "fall is the word".

[madagas]

People also have to remember that Axl is in quite a predicament. On one hand, the promoters are trying to sell tix and will pay Gnr based on potential tickets sold. At this time, without an album, the average person going to the show will want to hear Axl sing the classics and will be disappointed if they don't. Word spreads that Axl is playing all new material that people don't know, tickets stop being sold. The band makes a lot more money by playing the classics. If the band makes alot more money, then Axl can pay good musicians to actually tour with him and put up with playing songs they didn't write. Make no bones about it, the new band is there in part to make money-they are professionals and need to be paid. Also, you have the problem with the record company. They have invested A TON of money in these new songs and I am quite sure they don't want the entire album on the internet in raw unfinished form prior to it's release. That is not a good way to promote the record as people can be very judgmental and simply not buy the record when it is released based on a shitty bootleg or bad AOL feed. Geffen (and Axl for that matter) has invested alot and will want to keep as much suprise as possible to insure larger first month sales. Thus, by using the Gnr name, Axl does make a lot more money and can keep quality players, however, he really has limited options with the new material until the record is released. He has put himself in quite a bind by taking so long to release an album. You have to take the good with the bad.

[kockstar999]

even if they didnt play all new songs.... if they added 3 or 4 new ones from Lies or UYI that would be better than playing the same setlist everyday... thats pretty chicken shit thing to do...

[ppbebe]

I would pay very good money to hear that. And I know I?m not the only one  Two of us together PP? Private concert? 

Yay! I guess MadmanDan and a few others love to join us. Or maybe not. just the band and the 2 of us.

The band makes a lot more money by playing the classics. If the band makes alot more money, then Axl can pay good musicians to actually tour with him and put up with playing songs they didn't write. Make no bones about it, the new band is there in part to make money-

Besides the band members really enjoy playing the classics of their band. No way they'd prefer that than playing new songs. but in reality no musician can put a huge crowd into an uproar over a yet to be released song. The audience are not ready either.  A good performer trys to amuse their audience maximum.
They won't have this set list after the release so why not enjoy it till then. Meanwhile people get used to those amazing musicians.

[D]

Axl needs to do like Prince did on his "One Nite Alone' Tour.

Prince was playing all new material from his Rainbow Children CD so he played tiny theaters that held about 2,000.

People knew in advance before buying tickets that "IF u are here to get your Purple Rain on, u are in the wrong place"

The shows still sold out, the crowds got to hear all new material and they didnt feel cheated cause they knew in advance.

Granted he still through in 5 or 6 HITS but it was almost entirely new material.


Axl could do the same.

Play WTTJ,PC,SCOM,NR,YCBM,Patience for the casual fans

and then play 8-12 new songs.

[A Private Eye]

Having never seen Axl/GNR live before hearing the AFD rehash won't bother me but I can see why it does bother some fans. A good setlist imo until CD is out would be 5-6 AFD songs similar number of UYI but drop LALD put in Yesterdays or something just to mix the UYI list up a bit, a 2-3 song acoustic section and then the 6 new songs from CD. That's in no particular order either just numbers of songs I'd like played from each album.

[BD888]

I think in addition to PC & WTTJ, you have to have either Nightrain/It's So Easy or OTGM/Brownstone as well as NR and YCBM.

SCOM is their most well known song, so you that's has to be played.

If I was Axl, I would drop It's So Easy and Mr Brownstone from the setlist because Velvet Revolver play it at all their gigs.  I really enjoyd hearing Axl sing it at RIR5 with his renewed vigour but all & all I'd drop it to avoid any comparisons with VR.

I'm getting tired of Patience but it's a good slow song, so I'll keep that.

KOHD and LALD are defintely out.  Fuck playing covers that we've heard a hundred times and that are on the Illusion albums already.

So if I chose old songs from the current set lists, the songs that must stay would be:

AFD - WTTJ, Nightrain, Paradise City, Rocket Queen
Lies - Patience
UYI - November Rain, Don't Cry, YCBM

CD - Better, The Blues, TWAT, I.R.S.,  Madagascar

Then you could change up the other songs with songs like Chinese Democracy, Estranged, Think About You, You're Crazy (mix version-that would be very cool), Civil War, CITR, OTGM and if we have to have some covers,  then let's have something new each time!

[jameslofton29]

If I was Axl, I would drop It's So Easy and Mr Brownstone from the setlist because Velvet Revolver play it at all their gigs.? I really enjoyd hearing Axl sing it at RIR5 with his renewed vigour but all & all I'd drop it to avoid any comparisons with VR.

Axl doesn't have to drop anything to avoid VR comparisons. He is the original singer of GNR songs. Just because Weiland sings them dont mean shit.

[jsg2295]

Axl needs to do like Prince did on his "One Nite Alone' Tour.

Prince was playing all new material from his Rainbow Children CD so he played tiny theaters that held about 2,000.

People knew in advance before buying tickets that "IF u are here to get your Purple Rain on, u are in the wrong place"

The shows still sold out, the crowds got to hear all new material and they didnt feel cheated cause they knew in advance.

Granted he still through in 5 or 6 HITS but it was almost entirely new material.


Axl could do the same.

Play WTTJ,PC,SCOM,NR,YCBM,Patience for the casual fans

and then play 8-12 new songs.

or He could do what Prince did and sing on American idol!!!

[Dead N' Bloated]

Metallica did a show like that in 98 for the Gararge Inc album. They played all covers from the album from start to finish. That went down ok but I think Guns would get a better reception concidering they would not be playin covers.


 

[badapple81]

Axl needs to do like Prince did on his "One Nite Alone' Tour.

I don't think he needs to at all, judging by the crowds and receptions GN'R are received so far 

Later on towards the US leg, you'll hear more new songs.

[GnR-NOW]

So like mentioned before and I agree, its pretty much the same setlist as the 2002 tour plus Better, TWAT, and IRS, and the band is playing much better and look better as well,  in 2002 there was alot of negative media attention, now their getting positive media attention, why?.  So is the outcome going to be different this time around?