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« Reply #100 on: March 22, 2006, 04:52:34 PM »

And all of Don't Damn Me is just one long rant that's fucking killer

not to mention the guitar riffs are pretty sick to
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« Reply #101 on: March 22, 2006, 07:16:42 PM »

It raises an interesting question: if UYI 1 was mostly (or even substantially) filler, then it means that on the 1992 tour the band was playing filler. Would Axl do that? If so, what does that say about Axl's integrity and giving fans the best show possible?

I don't think Axl or the band thought of songs on UYI 1 as filler. Some are better than others, but none are "throw away" tunes (except for My World which is not really a song anyway).

I don't think anyone could really define what filler is, and as someone else said before, there certainly would be disagreement as to which songs are filler and which are not. I used to like UIY 2 better, but for the past year I have listened to UYI 1 instead.

To me, a "filler" song is one in which I hit the skip button on my Cd player in the car. I don't do that for any of the songs on UYI 1 or 2.
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« Reply #102 on: March 22, 2006, 07:31:48 PM »

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To me, a "filler" song is one in which I hit the skip button on my Cd player in the car. I don't do that for any of the songs on UYI 1 or 2.

I happen to skip more on one then two... Filler is a word I used as soemthing that wasn't my cup of tea.. I know 1 is more of a rocker album.. I feel axl's voice at times seemed warn compared to the afd songs, and second many of them were in his angst voice that made me feel if the riffs n instrumentals weren't different you would see many songs are sung similar.. 
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« Reply #103 on: March 22, 2006, 07:43:36 PM »

depending on the mood I'm in, I usually skip anywhere for 4-7 tunes on each disc; though occasionally I listen end to end

when I listen to AFD, I don't think I've ever hit skip in 18-19 years; unless someone only wanted to hear a certain song
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« Reply #104 on: March 22, 2006, 07:46:44 PM »

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when I listen to AFD, I don't think I've ever hit skip in 18-19 years;

That has been me, it goes on with jungle, closes with rq.. What a way to open n close.. half way through is PC, three quaters through is scom.. What can one say
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« Reply #105 on: March 22, 2006, 07:48:00 PM »

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when I listen to AFD, I don't think I've ever hit skip in 18-19 years;

That has been me, it goes on with jungle, closes with rq.. What a way to open n close.. half way through is PC, three quaters through is scom.. What can one say

IMO "Best Ever"
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« Reply #106 on: March 23, 2006, 07:36:53 AM »

I skip Think About You and Anything Goes....AFD best ever? Give me a break. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #107 on: March 23, 2006, 08:47:16 AM »

I skip Think About You and Anything Goes....AFD best ever? Give me a break. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

everyone has their own opinion Grin
though sometimes i think Blizard of Ozz is as well Shocked
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« Reply #108 on: March 23, 2006, 08:57:37 AM »

It's not about opinions.....it's about taste! Shocked
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« Reply #109 on: March 23, 2006, 09:29:19 AM »

It's not about opinions.....it's about taste! Shocked

and I'm sure your's is exquisit Grin
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« Reply #110 on: March 23, 2006, 10:17:34 AM »



then the rest for me is just tons of filler really... So many songs sound alike lots of yelling or similar..
terrible like
bad obsession
you ain't the first
bad apples
garden of eden
dust n bones
back off bitch


I think if any album was slash's album it was this one, I don't mean his album as in idea, just the guitar playing on this album is amazing and saves many songs... Like The garden he fucking owns that song, Coma, november rain both him and axl rock, but the guitar is amazing.. For me on a lot of these songs the band itself instrumentaly were tighter or the saviors of many of the

Blasphemy!! My take is that if any album was Izzy's, it was this one. You've listed three of his best songs in the filler section, songs that are among the best on the album.

Still not quite sure why people prefer II to I. The overall sound and production is a lot more raw and concise. Not as overly complex or calculating.

It's easily Izzy's finest hour. Slash is an amazing guitar player, but we all know who the better songwriter was.

RESPEKT

Maybe Izzy was a better song writer but considering that Slash had to play most of Izzy's stuff as well as his own on UYI because Izzy never turned up. Izzy may have written some of the songs on UYI 1 but I certainly don't think this is Izzy's finest hour and definately not his album.?
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« Reply #111 on: March 23, 2006, 06:59:43 PM »

But UYI wasnt known for its "fine " guitar friffs it was known for its awsome vocals and i think that really brought axl down his vocals on AFD were genious and amazing but UYI was the one i think he really lacked on ok
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« Reply #112 on: March 23, 2006, 07:25:16 PM »

this is from amazon.com

a buyers review

The consensus among most critics and the general public is that both "Use Your Illusion" albums contain a lot of filler. It has often been said that a single album, with the best of both volumes, would have been better than two separate albums. Although this is the general consensus among Joe Public, the hard-core Guns N' Roses fans know better.

In my opinion, the Illusion albums have very little filler. It would also be hard to have a single album with songs from each disc, as each Illusion album is its own entity. The Illusion set is not a single album with two separate discs. Both volumes are albums in their own right, with a different tone, vibe, and feeling. The colors on the album covers represent the atmosphere of the albums. "Use Your Illusion I" is brighter, more up-beat, glossier. "Use Your Illusion II" is more reflective, and overall darker.

Between both volumes, there is over two and a half hours of music. Both volumes need to be nursed and savored. The listener needs time to let it all sink in. Some of these songs are fast paced rockers in the vein of "Appetite For Destruction." Other songs are longer, up to ten minutes in length, with intricate solos and complex arrangements, in short, art-rock.

With an album like "Appetite For Destruction" under their belt, any follow-up would be criticized. But much had changed for GN'R since they hit it big. They were now multi-millionaires and no longer living in poverty in cheap apartments in L.A. Also, the lineup of the band had changed. Drummer Steven Adler was fired, and replaced by Matt Sorum. Sorum's drumming was slicker, more technically proficient. Also added to the lineup was keyboardist Dizzy Reed. The new GN'R was more polished, less rough-around-the-edges than they had been in the days of AFD.

GN'R branched out artistically for their follow-up, and naturally received a lot of criticism. Common complaints are--the band went soft, too much filler, to arty, etc.

To address these criticisms: (1) The band did not go soft. There are ballads, but there are also a lot of rockers. A lot of the singles were the ballads, so someone unfamiliar with these albums might conclude that the band went soft by listening to the radio/MTV and conclude that these songs (Don't Cry, November Rain) represent the album, when in fact, they do not. (2) As for there being too much filler, that is a matter of opinion. I happen to think that each song ranges from very good-to classic. A lot of GN'R's very best songs are buried in the set. Because there is so much music, a lot of the songs remain unknown to the general public and are therefore considered "filler." (3)A lot of these songs are art-rock. They are often long in length and are not instantly assessable-and are therefore dismissed. A lot of these songs are quite intricate and take time to fully appreciate.

"Use Your Illusion I" has a very glossy feel. It is somewhat overproduced, but for me, as someone who has been listening to it for almost 15 years, that's just part of the album's charm. I tend to look at the first volume as "the Izzy album," and the second volume as "the Axl album." I do this because Izzy's signature Stones/Faces influence is more prevalent on volume I, and Axl's artistic muscle is stretched more on the second volume, although there is an overlap and each made great contributions to the other.

Sorum and bassist Duff McKagan provide a killer rhythm section. Slash's playing, of course, goes without saying, is absolutely incredible. Each song has at least one or two screeching, ear-crunching, kick-ass, yet melodic solos. And Axl Rose shows why he is one of the most memorable, charismatic figures in rock. And some of Izzy Stradlin's best songs are found on "Use Your Illusion I."

The first volume starts out rocking hard with the AFD style "Right Next Door to Hell." This song doesn't have quite the furry of AFD, but it's still a good song nonetheless and a good way to start off the album. Izzy Stradlin's mid-tempo "Dust N' Bones" is a very Stones-ey song and is quite underrated. Slash's solo in it absolutely rips. Paul McCartney's "Live and Let Die" is a very cool cover and stays pretty true to the original, while giving it a little more of an edge. "Don't Cry," the first song ever written in Guns N' Roses, is a beautiful balled, although the 30 second ending is a bit over-the-top. "Perfect Crime" is another great rocker, in the vein of AFD, and is another highly underrated song. Izzy Stradlin's sleepy, "You Ain't the First" is the only song I would consider to be filler. It's not bad, but it just slows down the momentum a bit. The rock-a-billy "Bad Obsession" is GN'R paying homage to Southern Rock. "Back off Bitch" musically is excellent, although the lyrics are stupid and juvenile, and didn't help GN'R's image as being misogynist. Stradlin's fast paced "Double Talkin' Jive" has a catchy, almost sinister riff and features one of Slash's best solos. Rose's Elton John inspired masterpiece "November Rain" follows next. This remains one of GN'R's most beloved songs to date.

A lot of Guns N' Roses best songs are found on the second half of "Use Your Illusion I." Unfortunately, because of the album's length, they just sort of got buried. "The Garden" is a really trippy, psychedelic duet with Alice Cooper." "Garden of Eden" is an excellent very fast paced hard-rocker. "Don't Damn Me" features some of Rose's best, most soul searching lyrics. "Bad Apples" is another hard rocker and features one of Slash's best solos. "Dead Horse" is one of the album's highlights. Rose best, most personal lyrics are found right here. The closing epic "Coma," along with "November Rain" is the album's highlight. It simply shows Axl Rose and Slash at their best. The song is just a monster, pure and simple. Axl Rose's 30+ second delivery at the end over Slash's playing is one of the most powerful, vital, ingenious moments in rock.

I bought "Use Your Illusion I" when I was 13 years old, and now, at 26, it remains one of my most favorite albums of all time. If you are looking for an AFD part two, you will be disappointed. If you are looking for instant gratification, go buy a Blink 182 album. If you want a masterpiece that has songs that are instantly addictive as well as songs that take time to appreciate, buy "Use Your Illusion I."
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