Is it me or is there anyone else pissed that these demos are on the radio?

[Timmy]

everyone's gonna be a critic

hell, even Lawrence of Arabia got bad reviews

(maybe that's a bit of an extreme)

[2NaFish]

Do you people not understand that it will come out when it is ready? They embarked on a world tour and it never came out, why would a re-leaked demo force his hand?

[Karma_Police]

I saw the original Guns in LA in 86.? I'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with you here because I'm too old for that shit but as a musician, if this release was not planned I feel sorry for Axl.? And you don't have to be a prick to get your point across.? I know it's bullshit about the amount of info we recieve, but we have a choice to be fans, just like Axl has a choice to put out music.? We should RESPECT THE ARTISTS DECISIONS.

Fine. that's your point of view. My point of view is shit happens. Axl doesn't show up to shows screwing over thousands of fans and that's just the way it is. He tells us to be patient so we are. Years go by and he tells us to be patient again and we are. More years go by and still he asks us to be patient and we are. Gee I wonder who's getting screwed here?? The fact is he takes the fans for granted and nobody should feel bad about listening to or shareing these demos with anyone. Not even radio. Songs get leaked and people hear them, that's just the way it is. And to be honest Axl probably doesn't even give a shit about these leaks. Despite what manaagment has said. Why the hell would he be playing the album at night clubs if he did.? Also if he cared so much why not make a personal statement. An e-mail or even an audio clip sent out to the major Guns N' Roses forums. Fans would respect that but no instead it's the same old bullshit coming from Merck and the management team.

I've never seen axl ask us to be patient. If you can contradict that tho i'd love to see it - and no, quoting patience doesnt count.

I've seen him say, many times, that we should live our lives and that it will come out when it is ready. And that is a huge difference.

Touche. I suppose you're right. I guess he has never actually asked us out right to be patient. So I assume he wants us to be impatient? The fact is wheather he says it or not there's no doubt he's thinking it. Telling us to live our lives and when it happens it happens is telling us to be patient in not so many words. Oh and no need to worry about me ever quoteing Gn'R songs to help make a point. No offence to anyone but when people do that I think it's the lamest thing ever.

[2NaFish]

No, simply by not saying something it does not in any way mean you are implying the exact opposite. Life is not black and white. Good does not necessarily exist because evil does and vice versa.

And by asking us to live our lives he is not asking us to be patient in any way whatsoever - to be patient you have to be "patient on something". By living your life you become free of trivialities and, in real terms, Chinese Democracy is a triviality.

[Karma_Police]

No, simply by not saying something it does not in any way mean you are implying the exact opposite. Life is not black and white. Good does not necessarily exist because evil does and vice versa.

And by asking us to live our lives he is not asking us to be patient in any way whatsoever - to be patient you have to be "patient on something". By living your life you become free of trivialities and, in real terms, Chinese Democracy is a triviality.

 

[2NaFish]

no need to roll your eyes. you entered a debate and said something fallacious, inconstant and wrong. if you put yourself out there and make bold personal statements about things other people believe in then you have to accept that people are going to go out to attack what you have said. you were proven wrong.

there's no need to display your shortcomings in emoticon form.

[Karma_Police]

no need to roll your eyes. you entered a debate and said something fallacious, inconstant and wrong. if you put yourself out there and make bold personal statements about things other people believe in then you have to accept that people are going to go out to attack what you have said. you were proven wrong.

there's no need to display your shortcomings in emoticon form.

O.k. bud here's the thing. There is only good with bad. Without the bad there is no good. Without darkness there is no light.  We know of light because we've experienced darkness and the same goes with good and bad. There is no patience without impatience.  Living your life and not worrying about it is being patient. Are we to belive that by living our lives we've put all thought of Chinese Democracy out of our minds. Gimmie a break.  My view on this is correct. Your's could be as well but this isn't a philosphy class so stop trying to act all deep in a conversation about fans being patient for the release of Chinese Democracy.

[2NaFish]

I was using philosophical tecniques to prove you wrong (which i did easily and succesfully). I then mentioned philosophical arguments as an analogy to prove my point, which they did.

look, i am philosophy student and i'm telling you right now that a non stated positive does not make a negative. Just because axl has never asked us to be patient doesn't mean he wants us to be impatient. He also never told me not to rob old ladies in the street - using your logic he wants me to mug old grannies. stop right now as you are horribly wrong.

And just for the record, simply because there is good does not mean that there is bad - surely there must be some sort of morally neutral act in between; riding a bike for example. Once again, stop. You are very much wrong.

[Karma_Police]

I was using philosophical tecniques to prove you wrong (which i did easily and succesfully). I then mentioned philosophical arguments as an analogy to prove my point, which they did.

look, i am philosophy student and i'm telling you right now that a non stated positive does not make a negative. Just because axl has never asked us to be patient doesn't mean he wants us to be impatient. He also never told me not to rob old ladies in the street - using your logic he wants me to mug old grannies. stop right now as you are horribly wrong.

And just for the record, simply because there is good does not mean that there is bad - surely there must be some sort of morally neutral act in between; riding a bike for example. Once again, stop. You are very much wrong.

  yeah o.k. So we would know what good is without the bad? nd light without dark? I think not. No You can't experience one without knowing of the other. There are neutral things but Good and evil don't exist without each other. Light and dark cannot exist without the other.  Riding a bike would be a good thing because we know falling off a bike would be bad. As long we're riding the bike it's a good thing. It's not neutral. Plus riding a bike has nothing to do with it. Your anaology is terrible.  Next you'll be trying to tell me that it's impossible to prove anything because the world around us is in constant flux. I can prove a table is solid by knocking on it but I only proved it once and now at this moment none of us know if the table is still a solid object. That has nothing to do with what we're talking about but it's as ridiculous as you stateing nothing is black and white and then proceeding to tell me that your philosphy is how it is. Can you spell contradiction?   Take all the philosophy classes you want, the  fact is without darnkness light is irrelevant as is good without bad.  Also I guess if Axl doesn't want us to be impatient I have to assume he wants us to be patient.  You've made my point for me. Axl in not so many words has asked us to be patient. Try and comprehend that.

[2NaFish]

 A little meander through coffe table philosophy with a minor squirmish into the debate. I'm banging my head on a brick wall here. For something to be good it has to be less bad, right? You can look into it yourself (read a little Hume) good and evil are not reliant upon one another(neither are black and white. light and dark are). It's inconsequential as to wether you want to be enlightened in any way.

As for axl telling us to be patient, according to you anyway; the basis for your argument on that was "Also I guess if Axl doesn't want us to be impatient I have to assume he wants us to be patient"

An assumption made upon a guess? Brilliant. Which still, i must point out, relies upon a negative of a non-stated postive being true. According to you Axl wants us to do everything he has never said.

[Karma_Police]

A little meander through coffe table philosophy with a minor squirmish into the debate. I'm banging my head on a brick wall here. For something to be good it has to be less bad, right? You can look into it yourself (read a little Hume) good and evil are not reliant upon one another(neither are black and white. light and dark are). It's inconsequential as to wether you want to be enlightened in any way.

As for axl telling us to be patient, according to you anyway; the basis for your argument on that was "Also I guess if Axl doesn't want us to be impatient I have to assume he wants us to be patient"

An assumption made upon a guess? Brilliant. Which still, i must point out, relies upon a negative of a non-stated postive being true. According to you Axl wants us to do everything he has never said.

Your big talk actually makes you sound foolish. You're using it as front to mask an otherwise endless debate. you're taking your theories and useing them as a fact when in reality it's based on perception. If you need me to explain that one to you I will but you're the one taking philosophy so figure it out.  I haven't guessed anything. I spelled it out for you. Axl said live your lives and when it comes it comes. To me that is telling us to be patient. Read into it what you want but if that isn't telling us to be patient and it's not telling us to be impatient than what the hell is he saying? be neutral yeah o.k.  Take all your higher education and throw it out the window because you've obviously forgotten the concept of common sense.

[2NaFish]

you haven't guessed anything? So i guess that sentenced i quote from you saying "Also I guess if Axl doesn't want us to be impatient I have to assume he wants us to be patient" must be an abhoration. I could swear that you both make a guess and an assumption.

Your last post doesnt actually say anything other than attempt to insult me but as you're proud of your ignorance i don't really care for your opinion. You refuse to tackle the original issue; that being a non-stated positive doesnt equal a negative. But why would you want to tackle that when you can just insult me?

[Megaguns]

I dont really think they belong on the airwaves just yet. Playing them to the public in any form other than axl intended is just not right. but at the same time its great to see all these kids getting into the new sound.     GnR4EVA!   

[noizzynofuture]

No, simply by not saying something it does not in any way mean you are implying the exact opposite. Life is not black and white. Good does not necessarily exist because evil does and vice versa.

And by asking us to live our lives he is not asking us to be patient in any way whatsoever - to be patient you have to be "patient on something". By living your life you become free of trivialities and, in real terms, Chinese Democracy is a triviality.

Great, I come to a GNR board and fucking Socrates is waxing philisophical about good and evil. 

We got what karma police was saying without you trying to poke holes and analyzing every word.

As for the leak, IMO, it was absolutely done on purpose.   I can't explain how this happened, but i think one of the most highly guarded recordings just popping up from no where, is suspicious.

How did M Piazza get the original leaks ?  Accidently ?

Somebody two years later gets his hands (same person who released shitty versions ?) on the Piazza recordings and now releases good quality versions ?  Why wait til now ?  Or did he stumble upon them while cleaning out M Piazza'a locker ?

Why only a 70 second leak of Better ?  Somebody bumped the off button ?

If you believe any of this bullshit of an accidental leak, you're as crazy as Steven Adler on a two week coke and heroin binge.  A true leak would have been met with Axl and lawyer, not a meek half hearted mysteron statement of "please don't share these or talk about them."

I submit that this was Eddie Trunk in the grassy knoll !!!

I expect an release announcement very "soon".