Student kicked out of school for myspace parody

[RichardNixon]

Don't bring Bush in the conversation in every topic.. From here it looks like you're only trying to start a fight.

I think that it would be healthy for everyone to learn the basics in both phsyics and chemistry just so that people understand the basic stuff on how everything is working... About chemical reactions and the laws of physics.

Of course, it has to be up to the student how far he/she wants to take it, but the basics in both, plus math of course should be mandatory.

I brought in Bush because of Walk's belief that higher education should be reserved for the elites. As though being an elite (wealthy) means that you are intelligent. My response to his post was aggressive, but you can't post something so atrocious and obnoxious that is such a slap in the face to people that worked very hard to get through college and not expect that. This isn't a debate about the invasion of Iraq, this is about somebody telling me that I don't deserve my BA, and it pisses me off. I don?t want to piss the Mods off or pick a fight or start trouble, but I need to take a stand and speak my mind when I am severely condescended to.

[AxlsMainMan]

A High School senior? I'm not sure how the US schoolsystem works, but I'm under the impression that the kid was there of his own free will? Right? The Junior High being the last step of the mandatory schooling out there? If he was there under his own free will, and had chosen to study more, why would he go after the principle, the highest person in the hierarchy of a school? Like journey said, it would've been different if it was a prank on his friends.

 I _do_ think that the schoolsystem plays a very important role along with parents in raising kids. Kids spend from 4-8 hours in school every day excluding the weekends. It's about 1/3 of the time that kids are awake during a day. If the school paid no attention to how the kids behaved towards the staff of the school it would give them a signal that it was ok. Now I know that this sort of 'raising of the kids' should happen more early on in school. Not when the guy is at senior high. And I don't think that a kid should be punished by the school if the person he attacked was some random guy. That would be the parents' job. But this was the principle. He knew that what he was doing was just stupid. So I do think that it was right from the school to punish him, just don't agree that he should've been excluded from all the events from the school and the whole sending to a program for people with attention or behavior problems. It does seem too extreme. Although the article doesn't mention if this was an isolated event or if this type of behavior had been going on for a longer period of time.

And AxlsMainMan... You can't be mad at the school for giving you detention for breaking the school's rules... And I can understand his reaction after you pretty clearly provoked him after you were given the punishment. Don't really agree that that's what he should've done, but I understand him.

Would it in all honesty made a bit of difference if the prank was on one his goofball friends and not the Principal? I mean his friends parents could have taken offense to the site and reported the student to the school, but the school ultimately wouldn't be able to discipline the kid because why? Because he would have established a satirical website to his friends off of school hours, and not using school machinery. Why is it different for the Principal? Because he runs the school? In all honesty, he should have just demanded an apology and been done with the whole fiasco..
I can entirely see if he used the school computer to do this website but he didn't so why should his academic future be put on the line? If the kid was smart, he would have kept the site a secret and left other students to their own devices to locate it, but Im guessing he told one to many kids and got nailed that way...or the Principal traced the IP from where the site was made.

Your damn right he shouldn't have been excluded from school events for something so stupid..reminds of last year when that gay couple got rejected from their highschool Prom for holding hands at the event. Ive been sent to those "alternate education sites" in my high school days, and trust me, there strictly for future cons/ drug dealers/ and absolute idiots, not a smart kid who lost his chance to Penn State over a MySpace joke...If the kid had no discipline problems before, that makes the validity of the Principal's defense even weaker...just pissed a kid got one over on him...

Teachers and Principals are unfortunately now like the Police in a lot of ways, their idiots on a powertrip with a gun who think they can seriously "make a difference" without even being able to relate to a single kid in the classroom. Teaching is like a performance, you have to capture your audience's attention fully and completly so you guys can stop the bullshit "kids just dont try in school" anymore approach because its utter shit. If teacher's made a lesson interestimg, they'd have to pay the fucking kids to skip class.

  And your right, I did provoke the fucker, I just didn't understand how he could be looking at one of the school's best English students like he was a piece of drug dealing crap and say to me "I will eliminate pot"...I simply had to put the fucker in his place...

Maybe if more Principals smoked a joint, they wouldn't get their panties in a fuckin' bundle over a bunch of "yo moma" jokes 

[Skeba]

Would it in all honesty made a bit of difference if the prank was on one his goofball friends and not the Principal?

Yes it would have.

The principle is the highest authority at his workplace - the school. His schoolmates are his peers.

Teachers and Principals are unfortunately now like the Police in a lot of ways, their idiots on a powertrip with a gun who think they can seriously "make a difference" without even being able to relate to a single kid in the classroom.

If this is true in the US, then it's a sad state of things. Out here, I know a lot of teachers and policemen to whom you could never apply that.

[AxlsMainMan]

Would it in all honesty made a bit of difference if the prank was on one his goofball friends and not the Principal?

Yes it would have.

The principle is the highest authority at his workplace - the school. His schoolmates are his peers.

Teachers and Principals are unfortunately now like the Police in a lot of ways, their idiots on a powertrip with a gun who think they can seriously "make a difference" without even being able to relate to a single kid in the classroom.

If this is true in the US, then it's a sad state of things. Out here, I know a lot of teachers and policemen to whom you could never apply that.

The Principal may have the highest power but he is specifically in charge of overseeing the education of a few 100 students, not getting offfended at the prank of 1 mere kid and destroying his future edcuation opportunities instead of sweeping the whole event under the rug like it belongs.

Im actually speaking on Canada's part, I wouldnt last a day in the Us...

Look at Toronto, how many gun deaths have we had this year so far alone? And what's the government's solution? More and more police that are gunna cost the province millions and millions of more tax dollars to pay. Now I dont know every cop in Canada but I can tell u the large majority are fuckin' useless.

Always there when you dont want them, never there when you do want them.

[Skeba]

The Principal may have the highest power but he is specifically in charge of overseeing the education of a few 100 students, not getting offfended at the prank of 1 mere kid and destroying his future edcuation opportunities instead of sweeping the whole event under the rug like it belongs.

I've said many times that the punishment was too hard. That wasn't the question. You asked me whether it would've made a difference if it was one of his mates.

Okay.. The same thing applies to Canada. If teachers and the police are nothing but "idiots on a powertrip", it is sad, but I really doubt that that's the case. But I'm not going to get into that whole cop thing since I have nothing against them, and this thread isn't about them.

[Walk]

Ever stop and think that not every productive member of society needs to know, or even have a rudimentary understanding of calculus, organic chemistry, or physics?

The pragmatism argument is poison for American culture. College is more than learning future job skills. It's about learning American ideals and preserving our national identity. We have a strong history of invention and science. Those who won't learn the basics aren't pulling in the full American experience. They might be useful labor, but they won't be prepared to be strong citizens.

The elite (not always the rich) are those who uphold our ideals. They're the ones who should undertake an education to preserve the American and Western way of thinking. Even tech schools teach WHY something works, not just HOW. People who simply want jobs should go to a trade school. They would be happier there.

[Sterlingdog]

Walk - I have a question which I don't mean to sound insulting.  I'm just someone with a genuine curiousity about people and how they think.

Do you have any/many friends?  And if so, do you express your rather extreme views to them?

[SLCPUNK]

Do you have any/many friends?  And if so, do you express your rather extreme views to them?

NO

and

NO.

[-Jack-]

Walk - I have a question which I don't mean to sound insulting.  I'm just someone with a genuine curiousity about people and how they think.

Do you have any/many friends?  And if so, do you express your rather extreme views to them?

To tell you the truth Walk reminds me alot of my friend Adriel. They're both somewhat "extreame" to the average person... but im sure Walk, like my friend is an intresting, smart guy. How many friends does he have? Maybe not alot (maybe alot, who knows) but im sure they're thoughtful and open-minded enough to talk to the guy. Even if you don't agree 100% with what certain people say, you can still take something from their point of view and help it shape your view of the "greater picture". Of corse, in order to do this it's important not to become immediatly offended by someone's point of view.

I for one enjoy reading Walk's posts. Speaks his mind. Just my 2?

[RichardNixon]

Ever stop and think that not every productive member of society needs to know, or even have a rudimentary understanding of calculus, organic chemistry, or physics?

The pragmatism argument is poison for American culture. College is more than learning future job skills. It's about learning American ideals and preserving our national identity. We have a strong history of invention and science. Those who won't learn the basics aren't pulling in the full American experience. They might be useful labor, but they won't be prepared to be strong citizens.

The elite (not always the rich) are those who uphold our ideals. They're the ones who should undertake an education to preserve the American and Western way of thinking. Even tech schools teach WHY something works, not just HOW. People who simply want jobs should go to a trade school. They would be happier there.

That's a crook of shit.