A reason why Chinese Democracy may fail.

[jarmo]

Please keep your nazi propaganda to yourself.



/jarmo

[mikegiuliana]

Rock isn't dead...everyone is mentioning all these mainstream bands...there are (IMO) a lot of bands rocking their heads off on indie labels (politics aren't as bad as on those corporate labels), playing bars and small clubs...if the only place you're looking is corporate america and big arenas, no wonder you're not finding rock as much as you like
...seek it out people

you'll always find good rock in the underground, it's always been like this.. The point of the topic was gnr in today's music.. There has been plenty of good rock in the mainstream in the past.. We're talking about rock music being accepted in the public and how gnr will do in the "mainstream".. Question is will CD do well in today's market? The popular rockstar is pretty much dead, album sales are way down among the bigger stars of the past but their shows still do well..

Yeah I imagine things are always like that.

From what I've heard, I don't see the mainstream (american) rock of the time before GN'R came out of the blue that excellent. the situation's pretty similar for GN'R, perhaps.

To me there was plenty of good hard rock, and guitar rock around when gnr hit the scene, just not as good as gnr.. The point is rock bands were selling millions of albums say during the era of the strip based bands,,

[CamelWides]

Jarmo, please keep your Zionist self-hating self-righteous brainwashing to yourself. Thank you.

[nesquick]

Jarmo, please keep your Zionist self-hating self-righteous brainwashing to yourself. Thank you.

I think you'll be banned very soon. I'm jewish, and other people are on this board, do you have a problem with us?

[jarmo]

Jarmo, please keep your Zionist self-hating self-righteous brainwashing to yourself. Thank you.

Umm, sure. Everybody who's not a with you is a "zionist".?

Banned!




/jarmo

[HK-47]

MTV doesn't want White kids listening to anything that isn't either A. "Being White is a crime" Hiphop, or B. "Being White sucks" emo-fag-"rock".
MTV is run by a cabal of jewish Zionists who hate White people, end of story. They want all Whites to lose their identity, because they don't want there to be any White people, period.
They pushed rap UNTIL it became popular (by default really), and submerged rock bands that weren't "with the program".

I know he won't see this now, but:

Your argument is fundamentally flawed. Business, like nature, follows the path of least resistance. MTV, or any similar station, has never ever ever influenced the popularity of a particular musical genre. Being on MTV may help a particular band, but not the sales figures of an entire musical movement. MTV, like any corporate entertainment outlet, functions in precisely the opposite way; they devote airtime to whatever is already popular.

MTV didn't push rap to make it became popular, the opposite is true. Besides a handful of commercially successful rap artists, there was almost no rap on MTV until ten years ago, when it had already become a major financial crutch for the music industry. There was, I think, one single rap-based show on MTV throughout the 80's - at a time when Ice T, Public Enemy, NWA, and presumably others, were selling millions of records. MTV ignored rap when the form was at its most potent, and has only given itself over to the genre now that it has become a safe predictable caricature of itself.

[jameslofton29]

Uh, were you asleep in the mid 90's? Because MTV shoved rap/hip hop down everyone's throats continuously. By the time they got through doing it, 90% of the population was wearing baggy jeans down to their knees. It was pathetic. And most girls would only sleep with you if you were black, or wanted to be black. Although I wouldnt blame it on zionists or any crazy shit like that. Hell, I wouldn't even blame it on MTV. I blame it on the public for falling for it. The music scene, and society itself, have yet to fully recover from this. I'm only speaking from the U.S. point of view. I dont know how it played out in the rest of the world.

[HK-47]

Uh, were you asleep in the mid 90's? Because MTV shoved rap/hip hop down everyone's throats continuously. By the time they got through doing it, 90% of the population was wearing baggy jeans down to their knees. It was pathetic. And most girls would only sleep with you if you were black, or wanted to be black. Although I wouldnt blame it on zionists or any crazy shit like that. Hell, I wouldn't even blame it on MTV. I blame it on the public for falling for it. The music scene, and society itself, have yet to fully recover from this. I'm only speaking from the U.S. point of view. I dont know how it played out in the rest of the world.

Were you asleep while reading my post? Yes, over the last decade MTV has been full to the brim with rap. Funnily, I consider the last decade to be "the last ten years", which would put us right in the mid-90's. Weird, huh? If you're going to disagree with me, it's better to make sure that your views don't correspond exactly to mine. Dipshit.

[jameslofton29]

You said the guys arguments were flawed. The only flaws in it was all that zionist crap. I love how you insult people all the time. It really brings out the intelligence in you.

[jimmythegent]

MTV doesn't want White kids listening to anything that isn't either A. "Being White is a crime" Hiphop, or B. "Being White sucks" emo-fag-"rock".
MTV is run by a cabal of jewish Zionists who hate White people, end of story. They want all Whites to lose their identity, because they don't want there to be any White people, period.
They pushed rap UNTIL it became popular (by default really), and submerged rock bands that weren't "with the program".

I know he won't see this now, but:

Your argument is fundamentally flawed. Business, like nature, follows the path of least resistance. MTV, or any similar station, has never ever ever influenced the popularity of a particular musical genre. Being on MTV may help a particular band, but not the sales figures of an entire musical movement. MTV, like any corporate entertainment outlet, functions in precisely the opposite way; they devote airtime to whatever is already popular.

MTV didn't push rap to make it became popular, the opposite is true. Besides a handful of commercially successful rap artists, there was almost no rap on MTV until ten years ago, when it had already become a major financial crutch for the music industry. There was, I think, one single rap-based show on MTV throughout the 80's - at a time when Ice T, Public Enemy, NWA, and presumably others, were selling millions of records. MTV ignored rap when the form was at its most potent, and has only given itself over to the genre now that it has become a safe predictable caricature of itself.

excellent post - right on the money 

[HK-47]

You said the guys arguments were flawed. The only flaws in it was all that zionist crap. I love how you insult people all the time. It really brings out the intelligence in you.

I protect my intelligence by only insulting stupid people.
I said his argument was flawed, and I explained why. I'll say the jist of it again: MTV began to promote rap when rap had become popular and safe enough to promote. Prior to that, even when rap artists were selling millions of records, MTV wanted nothing to do with them. Only once watered-down rap had become the primary profitable product of the music industry did MTV become RapTV. MTV followed the trend, it did not create it. The fact that they promoted it so aggressively for so long is a sign that it was working, and it was working because the genre was already popular. If MTV tomorrow decided to promote only polka music it would not create a huge polka music market, MTV would simply die off.

Here's the simplest way I can put it: MTV did not make rap popular, rap is popular and therefore it is on MTV.

[jameslofton29]

I get what you're saying, and you're almost on the right track. A better example is how MTV handled grunge. Nirvana was completely unknown. Then MTV started to play them non stop on headbangers Ball. No one cared about it. Then they started playing it constantly throughout the day. Again, no one cared. So they kept playing it until people started caring. Without MTV, the grunge movement never would have occured. You're right about a rap movement before MTV started the brainwashing. But in my opinion, neither grunge or rap would have ever went mainstream without major help from MTV. And until you stop insulting me, I'm not responding to your posts. You take things WAY too seriously!!

[blues rocker]

uh...it has to be released before it can fail...let's wait for an announcement before we start talking about if it will fail or not...

[michael mackagan]

Hey people it's all about money,in my opinion MTV doesn't give a crap if is rock or rap,all they want is to make money.


 Back to topic,

 The #1 reason CD will fail. ? ? it'll never come out in the first place.

 Keep wearin' those patience T-shirts,I'll be laughin' my head off

[Krispy Kreme]

Rock most certainly is not dead. Classic artists like Neil Young, Tom Petty, and Bruce Springsteen continue to put out new albums and their concerts draw very well. The Rolling Stones no longer put out good albums, but their shows make them tens of millions of $$ every time they tour; and even the Who is supposed to be working on new material. Just because MTV devotes little if any time to these (and other) artists from the 1970s and 1980s does not mean rock is dead. Rock is in the soul of the people and is not decided by a production manager at a TV station. Besides, we additionally blessed with the appearance of VR, which if that is not a rock band then I don't know what is. They sell well and their shows are popular, so rock is far far from dead.

[Krispy Kreme]

And furthermore, before we start writing the post mortem on CD, let's wait for it to come out.

[ppbebe]

Rock isn't dead...everyone is mentioning all these mainstream bands...there are (IMO) a lot of bands rocking their heads off on indie labels (politics aren't as bad as on those corporate labels), playing bars and small clubs...if the only place you're looking is corporate america and big arenas, no wonder you're not finding rock as much as you like
...seek it out people

you'll always find good rock in the underground, it's always been like this.. The point of the topic was gnr in today's music.. There has been plenty of good rock in the mainstream in the past.. We're talking about rock music being accepted in the public and how gnr will do in the "mainstream".. Question is will CD do well in today's market? The popular rockstar is pretty much dead, album sales are way down among the bigger stars of the past but their shows still do well..

Yeah I imagine things are always like that.

From what I've heard, I don't see the mainstream (american) rock of the time before GN'R came out of the blue that excellent. the situation's pretty similar for GN'R, perhaps.

To me there was plenty of good hard rock, and guitar rock around when gnr hit the scene, just not as good as gnr.. The point is rock bands were selling millions of albums say during the era of the strip based bands,,

Same difference. There's always crap of the moment comes and goes and sells millions to the million passives alongside good~OK bands like NIN, radioheads coldplay oasis whitestripes U2 and so on.

[Twisted Nerve 85]

Axl doesnt give a shit if he tops the charts, as long as his music reaches hardcore and casual GnR fans he's content.

We don't know that, (unless you're Axl of course)

Of course Axl cares about being #1, isn't that why GnR broke up? Axl wanted to be the biggest and best and play huge stadium acts and have huge orchestrated songs while everyone else in the band wanted to play clubs and just play "old fashioned rock and roll"

I think you are kidding yourself if you think Axl doesn't want to have the biggest band in the would once again.

If he cared so much wouldnt CD have been released by now, wouldnt he still be with the guys with whom he got to the top with? and besides that was yrs ago, Axl Rose is 43 dont u think maybe hes changed a bit since then?