Im getting aggravated at GNR fans

[AxlGunner]

I think all the dumbfucks who dont like the new guns n roses aren't really what a gnr fan is today.? they're fans of the old band or just $lash or VaginaR and should fuck off the face of the guns boards?

unfortunately, since the name of the bands are the same, a guns n roses board applies equally to fans of the old band and the new band.

by the way- i think its fair to say you dislike the old band's songs? you must based on your argument.


ps- can this please be moved to the dead horse section or something???

i'm a fan of both.? but i see no reason to live in the past.? of course i love the old songs.? but my point is if you aren't all about the band NOW, you aren't really a GnR fan, just a fan of the old gnr.? We should be supporting the band but with all the $lash only fans n shit bringing everyone down it just blows ?

i dont go to velvet revolver boards and bash $lash, so why would VR fans who dont even like the new gnr come to a gnr board and bash axl or robin.

that's the same logic that brought us the "if you criticize president bush, you are being un-american and should leave the country" line of reasoning.

utter bullshit. where can fans of the old gnr go if they dont like the new songs/band? oldgnr.com? what about those who are willing to give new gnr a chance but still have problems with it and criticize certain aspects of it? where do they fall?

[Wooody]

Because some people think it's rather hypocritical to use Martin Luther King when you have in the past written a song telling 'police and niggers' to get out of your way and saying that 'immigrants and faggots' are only in your country to do as they please and spread HIV/AIDs.

EDIT - This is in response to Woody's post, not Jim Bob's.

OK, but then It means they didn't get the song.

[AxemanOnFire]

Perhaps they don't 'get' the song in the way Axl intended them to, but you must admit unless you're a GN'R fan/expert who knows about Axl, his state of mind, his reasoning behind the song and his history et cetera, those lyrics sound pretty damn inflammatory, don't they? Once again I say I understand what Axl's trying to say in the song, but only through reading interviews and articles on Axl and GN'R. A casual fan/GN'R virgin would not 'get' Axl's feeling behind the song if they hadn't read these interviews.

EDIT - and my apologies to Jarmo and the mods for going wildly off topic

[Wooody]

Perhaps they don't 'get' the song in the way Axl intended them to, but you must admit unless you're a GN'R fan/expert who knows about Axl, his state of mind, his reasoning behind the song and his history et cetera, those lyrics sound pretty damn inflammatory, don't they? Once again I say I understand what Axl's trying to say in the song, but only through reading interviews and articles on Axl and GN'R. A casual fan/GN'R virgin would not 'get' Axl's feeling behind the song if they hadn't read these interviews.

EDIT - and my apologies to Jarmo and the mods for going wildly off topic

Ok no biggie, It's just that I have dealt with the kind of people who wanted axl to be that way. 

[Buddha_Master]

Perhaps they don't 'get' the song in the way Axl intended them to, but you must admit unless you're a GN'R fan/expert who knows about Axl, his state of mind, his reasoning behind the song and his history et cetera, those lyrics sound pretty damn inflammatory, don't they? Once again I say I understand what Axl's trying to say in the song, but only through reading interviews and articles on Axl and GN'R. A casual fan/GN'R virgin would not 'get' Axl's feeling behind the song if they hadn't read these interviews.

EDIT - and my apologies to Jarmo and the mods for going wildly off topic

Nope this is wrong. You don't have to know a thing about GNR to "get this Song." I played it to 3 people since I got it, and they aren't GNR geeks like us here. 2 totally dig it, and the other just complained about the bad quality of the boot. I am waiting to hear back from my bro so I can see if he likes it. He's a GNR fan.

Gonna call the President
Gonna call the Private Eye
Gonna get the IRS
Gonna need the FBI

Gonna make this a federal case
Gonna win and knock it outta your face
Rearrange it when your morning is noon?
And the police hang together, and their headlines true

 too sure to offer my help
I set it up again dressed as somebody else
Feel like stumbling on the road
Feel like I'll never get ya out of this song
Well I'm just too sad to kill
Maybe like I just walked in my shit
They'll be waiting on me I know
Like a broken record for so long


Its a cool fucking track that gets stuck in your head. The songs badass.

If someone doesn't think so...I feel fucking bad for you. The song gets me kind of pumped.

[Axl4Prez2004]

D, Here here! ?Excellent post. ?

People always come into new music with pre-conceived notions. ?I tried playing a new U2 song for a buddy of mine, (Sometimes you can't make it on your own), and within 5 seconds, he's like, "That's gay...slow shit." ?I was like fuck that, and turned it off. ?Unfortunately, Axl's gonna have to deal with shit like that. ?

[Eazy E]

I'm aggravated with GN'R fans too.

There are TWO types of fans that have got to go:

1. The fans that are STILL responding to stupid posts and rumours like "Radio station to play new GN'R song premiere in 3 hours!" -- I just saw a 7 page thread on this garbage, and other posts from cryptic members with one post.  We've been here for 7-8 years and you still give these people attention?

2.  The fans that think its "cool" to call Madagascar, "Maddy".  WTF?  We're giving songs nicknames now?

[Jim Bob]

I think all the dumbfucks who dont like the new guns n roses aren't really what a gnr fan is today.  they're fans of the old band or just $lash or VaginaR and should fuck off the face of the guns boards 

unfortunately, since the name of the bands are the same, a guns n roses board applies equally to fans of the old band and the new band.

by the way- i think its fair to say you dislike the old band's songs? you must based on your argument.


ps- can this please be moved to the dead horse section or something?? 

i'm a fan of both.  but i see no reason to live in the past.  of course i love the old songs.  but my point is if you aren't all about the band NOW, you aren't really a GnR fan, just a fan of the old gnr.  We should be supporting the band but with all the $lash only fans n shit bringing everyone down it just blows  

i dont go to velvet revolver boards and bash $lash, so why would VR fans who dont even like the new gnr come to a gnr board and bash axl or robin.

that's the same logic that brought us the "if you criticize president bush, you are being un-american and should leave the country" line of reasoning.

utter bullshit. where can fans of the old gnr go if they dont like the new songs/band? oldgnr.com? what about those who are willing to give new gnr a chance but still have problems with it and criticize certain aspects of it? where do they fall?

haha yea oldgnr.com HA!  that would rock

i'm just sick of the 'this isn't gnr' type shit.  anyone who still believes that just can't accept reality.

[Walapino]

this discussion reminds me of the political discussions in the jungle section.

you have your far left wingers (axl supporters):
 
- already have their minds made up that CD is better than AFD;
- 7 years is normal when you're making music as complex as silkworms;
- CC is to blame for axl not showing up in philly;
- and vancouver;
- any guitartist that axl adds to the band is better than slash;
- horrible quality demos by the new band are just as good as anything from appetite.

far right wingers (axl bashers):

- they no doubt will say CD is not as good as AFD;
- slash is the greatest guitarist on earth;
- axl doesn't have his voice anymore;
- axl owes his fans an album;
- izzy made AFD great.

BOTH of these groups annoy the hell out of me!!

but then you have the independants - people like myself that look at things with an open mind. i just hope cd comes out someday and that it's a great album, and that i get to see them in concert a few more times. ?

AGHHH!! So true i hate those pets... get rid of them it bores me because you already know their answer when you see they have posted. CD is probably never going to surpass AFD in many levels, those kind of records are done mostly once in a lifetime for an artist. Besides the formula that made it is gone so dont even waste time expecting it to be better. CD can ofcourse be a great record and be relevant,etc but dont dream that far man.
And to those that bash Axl for everything is boring too.. get a life! CD will come out someday hopefully and uncle Axl will be on tour again and I JUST HOPE HE DOESNT PLAY THE SAME FUCKING SETLIST AGAIN 

[AxemanOnFire]

Perhaps they don't 'get' the song in the way Axl intended them to, but you must admit unless you're a GN'R fan/expert who knows about Axl, his state of mind, his reasoning behind the song and his history et cetera, those lyrics sound pretty damn inflammatory, don't they? Once again I say I understand what Axl's trying to say in the song, but only through reading interviews and articles on Axl and GN'R. A casual fan/GN'R virgin would not 'get' Axl's feeling behind the song if they hadn't read these interviews.

EDIT - and my apologies to Jarmo and the mods for going wildly off topic

Nope this is wrong. You don't have to know a thing about GNR to "get this Song." I played it to 3 people since I got it, and they aren't GNR geeks like us here. 2 totally dig it, and the other just complained about the bad quality of the boot. I am waiting to hear back from my bro so I can see if he likes it. He's a GNR fan.

Read the thread. Wooody and I were talking about One in a Million

[D]

First of all im only saying the feeling i get while listening to IRS is as intense as the feeling i got when i heard the old songs


see u have to seperate shit which most GNR fans arent willing to do.

Sure we love the old shit now, because we have grown up with it for 16-17 years

when i first heard WTTJ i wasnt that blown away, when i heard SCOM i hated it the first few times, I didnt care much for PC when i first heard,

however after listening to songs for years, they get imbedded into your subconcious and they've been the soundtrack for your life and you have grown up with them so long that they take a deeper meaning than the first time u listened

I remember when i first bought UYI2 and put it on. I loved the songs but im telling u, I get just as excited if not more hearing that shitty quality IRS version as i ever have any of the old stuff.

Im not sure if the new stuff we have heard from Axl is as commercial as the older stuff but its definitely as good on a lyrical and melody level.


Also Slash,Duff and Matt started a band with a brand new name and u cant show me hardly any reviews that dont compare something to Axl and the old group. So it wouldnt matter what Axl called the group.

I cant see any song that will knock something that you've been listening too for 17 years out of the water on the first few listens, but people arent taking that into account.

I love "Oh My God" just as much as i do "WTTJ,PC,SCOM" u know what im sayin? it isnt as commercial as those songs and it wasnt as successful but to me and my personality its on the same level.

IRS fires me up more or the same as probably any other GNR track ive ever heard.  Will it live on radio and sporting events for 20 years? probably not but thats not how i judge shit, i dont care about the mass and commercial appeal, that doesnt mean shit to me. all i know is hearing IRS gave me an excitement that music hasnt gave me in a very very long time.

[SLCPUNK]

Like I said before the ?new songs are just as good if not better than the old songs IMO. ?Here is how I see the new songs comparing to the old.

Madagascar is on par with SCOM. Madagascar IMO is one of the best gnr songs ever top 10.
The blues is on par patience or don't cry.
CD is on par with something like out to get me, my michelle etc.
IRS is on par with YCMB.
Oh my god is just as good as stuff like double talkin jive, 14 years, dust n bones.
Riyadh is on par with stuff like bad obession or pretty tied up.
Silkworms is near the bottom but id take it over stuff like anything goes, garden of eden and songs like that.

And if Axl ever gets this album out and its great people will accept the new guys. The new guys like Robin and Tommy have been in the band just as long as izzy and steven were in the orginal band.

Attention...thread hijack attempt.

Seriously though...

It's the dicks who start rumors and Axl's silence that creates negativity on the board.

In a nutshell.

[Wooody]

First of all im only saying the feeling i get while listening to IRS is as intense as the feeling i got when i heard the old songs


see u have to seperate shit which most GNR fans arent willing to do.

Sure we love the old shit now, because we have grown up with it for 16-17 years

when i first heard WTTJ i wasnt that blown away, when i heard SCOM i hated it the first few times, I didnt care much for PC when i first heard,

however after listening to songs for years, they get imbedded into your subconcious and they've been the soundtrack for your life and you have grown up with them so long that they take a deeper meaning than the first time u listened

I remember when i first bought UYI2 and put it on. I loved the songs but im telling u, I get just as excited if not more hearing that shitty quality IRS version as i ever have any of the old stuff.

Im not sure if the new stuff we have heard from Axl is as commercial as the older stuff but its definitely as good on a lyrical and melody level.


Also Slash,Duff and Matt started a band with a brand new name and u cant show me hardly any reviews that dont compare something to Axl and the old group. So it wouldnt matter what Axl called the group.

I cant see any song that will knock something that you've been listening too for 17 years out of the water on the first few listens, but people arent taking that into account.

I love "Oh My God" just as much as i do "WTTJ,PC,SCOM" u know what im sayin? it isnt as commercial as those songs and it wasnt as successful but to me and my personality its on the same level.

IRS fires me up more or the same as probably any other GNR track ive ever heard.? Will it live on radio and sporting events for 20 years? probably not but thats not how i judge shit, i dont care about the mass and commercial appeal, that doesnt mean shit to me. all i know is hearing IRS gave me an excitement that music hasnt gave me in a very very long time.

right on !  you're a true GNF fan.

[Krispy Kreme]

I think all the dumbfucks who dont like the new guns n roses aren't really what a gnr fan is today.? they're fans of the old band or just $lash or VaginaR and should fuck off the face of the guns boards?

Gee, here  is an enlightened opinion.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

A lot of people won't even give the new band a chance since they're the replacement guys for their favorite members.

Back when Matt replaced Steven, I'm sure a lot of fans didn't like him because he wasn't the original drummer. Today when you read posts/comments/articles it almost seems like Matt was a really important part of GN'R. He was important, but he still wasn't there when the band started.

I guess once you get past that whole thing about the line up being new and stop hating them for that, it's easier to enjoy the songs.




/jarmo

"Now I was uh, perusing. I was reading all about my integrity, cause that's what I'm known for I guess---selling out my integrity. That's why I'm here with you now, cause I don't give a fuck I guess. Yeah, that's why we worked real hard at this, that's why these guys worked real hard at being in a band that they can get abuse for, because "they're the guys in the way of getting the old band back together." That's horseshit."   Axl - 11/27/2002 Pepsi Arena Albany, NY, United States

 

Axl sure knows how to call a spade a spade!...

and nice postin' D 

[jgfnsr]

I think all the dumbfucks who dont like the new guns n roses aren't really what a gnr fan is today.? they're fans of the old band or just $lash or VaginaR and should fuck off the face of the guns boards?

Gee, here? is an enlightened opinion.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     

You have to admit though, how Jim Bob comes across is freakin' priceless.

[Kitano]

A lot of people won't even give the new band a chance since they're the replacement guys for their favorite members.

Back when Matt replaced Steven, I'm sure a lot of fans didn't like him because he wasn't the original drummer. Today when you read posts/comments/articles it almost seems like Matt was a really important part of GN'R. He was important, but he still wasn't there when the band started.

I guess once you get past that whole thing about the line up being new and stop hating them for that, it's easier to enjoy the songs.




/jarmo

"Now I was uh, perusing. I was reading all about my integrity, cause that's what I'm known for I guess---selling out my integrity. That's why I'm here with you now, cause I don't give a fuck I guess. Yeah, that's why we worked real hard at this, that's why these guys worked real hard at being in a band that they can get abuse for, because "they're the guys in the way of getting the old band back together." That's horseshit."? ?Axl - 11/27/2002 Pepsi Arena Albany, NY, United States

 

Axl sure knows how to call a spade a spade!...

and nice postin' D?

Now let him be as honest about his "hair". 

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

A lot of people won't even give the new band a chance since they're the replacement guys for their favorite members.

Back when Matt replaced Steven, I'm sure a lot of fans didn't like him because he wasn't the original drummer. Today when you read posts/comments/articles it almost seems like Matt was a really important part of GN'R. He was important, but he still wasn't there when the band started.

I guess once you get past that whole thing about the line up being new and stop hating them for that, it's easier to enjoy the songs.




/jarmo

"Now I was uh, perusing. I was reading all about my integrity, cause that's what I'm known for I guess---selling out my integrity. That's why I'm here with you now, cause I don't give a fuck I guess. Yeah, that's why we worked real hard at this, that's why these guys worked real hard at being in a band that they can get abuse for, because "they're the guys in the way of getting the old band back together." That's horseshit."? ?Axl - 11/27/2002 Pepsi Arena Albany, NY, United States

 

Axl sure knows how to call a spade a spade!...

and nice postin' D?

Now let him be as honest about his "hair".?

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