the alleged GnR feature in Feb 2005 Mojo magazine (just an axl bashing article)

[neko]

i think the main point its that GNR was a Rock band and when you start getting success and working together all the time you get sick of each other , and more when you are so creative , they can say 50 different things but i think they were just sick of beeing together and having to "understand" the other guy .  the Ego of 5 guys that are so famous will create problems  and that happened i think.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

Read my original reply in this thread:

This weeks Kerrang - front cover headline 'Slash slams Axl'.

Come on Axl, lets hear what you have to say!

damn Slash is at it again eh?

well, NO ONE can say shit if/when Axl replies in like manner
keep digging Slash... keep digging?

and i also said

... if/when the time comes and Axl replies - don't be surprised if Axl has some 'anger' of his own to express...

why all the hub-bub?
Slash can make headlines "slamming" Axl and whoever enjoys it - that's their choice.
I don't like it.? I don't understand WHY he does it.? And I don't appreciate it.
Whats so hard to understand about that?

BookerFloyd - you should answer me the same question.
Do you think Axl is an asshole or not?
Don't tell me whether you think he is/was 'fucked up' or not - as you point out that is not the same thing.
Do you think Axl was/is an asshole who didn't/doesn't give a shit about his bandmates or the fans?

You keep referencing this "asshole/doesnt care about the fans" thing....

You didn't answer my question.? (Do you think Axl is an asshole or not?)

Yet, I will reply to your inquiry.? I did not quote Slash as calling him an asshole.
I only stated my opinion that the way that Slash has spoken about Axl portrays him as such...
and that I don't understand WHY he does that...
and that I don't appreicate or like it.

whats to argue about that.
its the way i feel.

now back to my question to you.
Do you think Axl is an asshole?

Oh...so youre upset with Slashs comments...and you havent read them. I see.

The post in his thread that I replied to said that there was an front cover headline "Slash slams Axl"
I never claimed to have read the article.? My comments regarding how Slash has portrayed Axl are obviously based on comments which Slash has made regarding Axl on other occastions - not based on any comments in an article that I did not read.?Obviously.? So your commnt does not make sense.?

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You can't say that Axl's comments in 2002 (or prior) were in reply to comments Slash has made in 2003, 2004, 2005...?

No, but his comments from 1999 to 2002 were made "in response" (they really didnt respond to anything) to Slashs comments prior. No difference, really.

Huh??
Like I already said:? How can Axl's comments from 2002 or prior be made in response to anything that Slash has said in 2003, 2004, 2005...?
What you're saying still doesn't make any sense.

EDIT:  oh you are saying that Axl has replied in the past to things slash said prior.
ok.  that is not the same as what you said in the first place.
and neither of your comments constitue my having selective amnesia ANYWAY

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

I think Axl himself has beaten us all to the punch by declaring himself and asshole on mnay occaisions.

That doesn't answer my question to you.? ?Do you think Axl is an asshole?

I'm asking you Intercourse - Do you think/feel/believe that Axl is an egotistical asshole who doesn't give a shit about his bandmates or the fans?

Also Eva,
you too have avoided some points I made....

I didn't avoid anything.? I did say that it is tiring to argue about the same things many times over.?
I referred you to threads in which I addressed much of what you asked about.

Perhaps the things you are asking again were not addressed

.... including:

Regarding not caring about his fans.
Why come on three hours late because of 'personal trauma' ? Bono buried his father on a Friday and played two sold out and amazing gigs in Ireland the Saturday and Sunday. He almost cried on stage but did himself proud.

You keep saying how you think Axl should have/could have handled certain situations.? That is neither here nor there.
The question remains as I asked you - Do you think he came on three hours late because he is an asshole who didn't give a shit about his fans?

Why walk off because one guy keeps taking your picture (St. Louis)? What about the other 75,000 well bahaved fans who have waited hours to see you play?

First of all - read this article:? http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=59
and again.. answer me the question:? Do you think his actions were because he is asshole who didn't give a shit about his bandmates or the fans?

Why walk off because your band makes an ass of Patience (Detroit 2002), that's the bands fault not the fans?

Why walk off because your monitors don't sound good, that's your engineers faut, not your fans, yet guess who gets the shitty end of the stick again?

Why not come out and tell your fans how you feel, where you are and what's going on with the album instead of two years of silence?

Do you believe that the answers to these questions is that Axl is an asshole who doesn't give a shit about his fans?

I cannot see ANY love for the fans in those actions so please feel free to justify them.

What it takes for him to perform... what upsets him or his performance...
how or when he chooses to communicate with the fans...
We are not in a position to fully understand the hows and why's of how Axl is.
Personally, I don't need to know - Axl has honestly opened up enough to earn my respect and for me to believe in his good intentions and? to have faith in his ability to overcome his 'demons'.

Let he is who is without 'demons' cast the first stone.?

He is human.? If he is too human for you (not you Intercourse - I use 'you' to mean anyone)
then it is your perogative to feel however you wish to.

If you Intercourse think/feel/believe Axl is an asshole/ doesn't care about the fans/ fucked over his bandmates etc...
then really - it is obviously a personal belief that you have concluded based on what you have observed/heard etc.
Litlle ol' me is not going to change your mind about that - that is your personal feelings.
What can I say?? *shrugs*
Not everyone sees things the same way.
 

[GNFNRAXL]

I'll say it Eva.  I am not afraid to say that Axl is an asshole for not showing up for concerts, being late, leaving a show after 3 songs and many more things.  I mean just because he is Axl Rose it doesn't give him the right to do those things.  I mean why can't you admit that.  And yes he doesn't care for his fans.  In Montreal in 92 the guy leaves after 3 songs and causes a riot.  He doesn't show up for other gigs during the illusion tour and the 2002 tour.  And oh yes the guy has been promising an album for the last 5 or 6 years and nothing.  Not even a press release.  Do all those things make him an asshole.  I am sorry but yes it does.  Does it take away his talent.  Nope!!!!  As for Slash always bashing Axl.  Well lately yes he has been bashing Axl.  Why???  Who knows and more importantly who cares?  I have never seen a Slash interview where he doesn't change his mind.  I mean one day he says Axl is a genius and that when he releases the album it will be great.  The day after Axl is close to being a devil.  One day he says he would go back to GnR if Axl would get rid of his demons.  The next day he says there is no chance in hell.  So in a way Slash is an asshole for always changing his story.  And by the way since that he bitches about Axl in every interview he does lately.  That only tells me one thing.  He would go back in GnR in a heartbeat but just won't admit it.  I wrote this comment because the way you sound in your posts anything Axl does we should all just forgive him just because it is Axl.  Like you said.  The guy is human just like each one of us.  Peace my friend because in the end we are all fans of one of the greatest bands ever. 

[norway]

Axl himself said proving the naysayers wrong got him misty-eyed...and then he proved them right.?

that was for the european tour i think, gnr did not fuck up the NA -tour either, the plug got pulled or something

IS slash hurt since axl don't wanna be his friend anymore? someone already read?
maybe mick wall too
IS the thing already online? links please,
we'll see some more gnr-pics at least

[Sakib]

Mick Walls sounds like a wierdo.

[younggunner]

As for Slash always bashing Axl.  Well lately yes he has been bashing Axl.  Why???  Who knows and more importantly who cares?

Because if the roles were reversed there would be an outcry on these boards

I have never seen a Slash interview where he doesn't change his mind.  I mean one day he says Axl is a genius and that when he releases the album it will be great.  The day after Axl is close to being a devil.  One day he says he would go back to GnR if Axl would get rid of his demons.  The next day he says there is no chance in hell.  So in a way Slash is an asshole for always changing his story.

And because of that inconsitency with Slash I am able to take into account what Axl says about the whole band situation with much more ease than others....not the whole well 5 guys are saying 1 thing and 1 guy is saying otherwise....

[michaelvincent]

If you decide to go on tour and advertise by saying 'hey, pay money to see me perform on this day at this venue' you are essentially entering an unspoken agreement with everyone that purchased a ticket stating that you will show up and put on a show worthy of the money they have spent to see you. By deciding not to show up or to walk off without giving your fans their money's worth then you have failed to hold up your end of the bargain.

Fuck the idea that Axl doesn't owe anyone anything. It is true that he doesn't own anyone anything regarding chinese democracy, but when people are paying money for something and not getting what they are promised (ie: purchasing a concert ticket does indeed entitle you a full and well-performed concert) then you most certainly owe your fans some kind of compensation in the way of an explanation, a refund, etc. This goes for any performing band, Axl included.

If Axl is willing to make every concert on the Chinese Democracy tour a free concert then he is free to indulge every crybaby primadonna tantrum that he can possible muster. No money, no guarantees. You show up and get what you get, and Axl doesn't ever have to explain himself. Problem solved. 

[Booker Floyd]

I mean one day he says Axl is a genius and that when he releases the album it will be great.? The day after Axl is close to being a devil.?

These concepts arent mutually exclusive.  Axl can be a genius and release great music and still be close "to the devil" (dont recall that quote).  If Slash said "Axls a genius" and then said "Axls really not that talented," perhaps youd have a point.  But Slash, and even Matt who clearly doesnt care much for Axl,  has always maintained that Axls an extraordinary talent.

One day he says he would go back to GnR if Axl would get rid of his demons.? The next day he says there is no chance in hell.

Thats a feeling that could easily change according to circumstances, but even so Slashs point has always been pretty consistent.  He doesnt see Axl changiing, or accepting the idea anyway, so it wont happen.  And now that time has passed and he has VR, its become more definite.

So in a way Slash is an asshole for always changing his story.

 

Okay...

And by the way since that he bitches about Axl in every interview he does lately.? That only tells me one thing.? He would go back in GnR in a heartbeat but just won't admit it.?

...Or hes continually asked about it and answers honestly. 

[norway]

all refunds\compensations to the ticketbuyers should be provided back to you by whom you bought it from, ?
 
compensation from any performing band is a internal issue and these matters is not ticketbuyers buisness...

many performers still feels obligated to share this info to fans as the ticketproviders often doesn't give statements regarding cancelled or aborted shows,

gnr did this

axl has a criminal record caused by his behaviour, and has a history 4 bein involved with riots and anarchistic events that may not benefit people attendin the shows-
-know this b4 you gonna use your money which is your responsebillety and not the performin band, ?

yes i still have the ticket for the oslo gig (guess i'm a gambler ) that were slated for 2001, ?
sucks, but axl is not the one who should refund it, ? it's the ticketservice, -

-and the ones compensatin them is a internal issue, as said above

mick wall is likely gonna wine about axl 4 the hundreth time instead of makin a positive article,
sooo unexpected

They should rather write about his vocals, the screamin, the players skills technics and equipment, the fact that axl is the only original member left and music direction -
-which is better music journalism imo and more oriantated to music and entertainment?

By deciding not to show up or to walk off without giving your fans their money's worth then you have failed to hold up your end of the bargain.

notoric breakin the law that singer, ? must be frustratin to you feels better to wine i guess-
-but not as cool for the rest of us to read who deals with this better (not nessesarly pointed at you MV)?

he doesn't care for his fans.

i belive he is very dedicated to makin good music and performances and appreciate the recognition he gets from fans who likes it

Peace my friend because in the end we are all fans of one of the greatest bands ever.

so cool, agree good one

is the article already online somewhere?

[damnthehaters]

[I think Axl himself has beaten us all to the punch by declaring himself and asshole on mnay occaisions.

Also Eva,
you too have avoided some points I made, including:

Regarding not caring about his fans.
Why come on three hours late because of 'personal trauma' ? Bono buried his father on a Friday and played two sold out and amazing gigs in Ireland the Saturday and Sunday. He almost cried on stage but did himself proud.

Why walk off because one guy keeps taking your picture (St. Louis)? What about the other 75,000 well bahaved fans who have waited hours to see you play?

Why walk off because your band makes an ass of Patience (Detroit 2002), that's the bands fault not the fans?

Why walk off because your monitors don't sound good, that's your engineers faut, not your fans, yet guess who gets the shitty end of the stick again?

Why not come out and tell your fans how you feel, where you are and what's going on with the album instead of two years of silence?


I cannot see ANY love for the fans in those actions so please feel free to justify them.

Intercourse.

Ok, Bono is Bono, not Axl Rose. ?

Why does or doesn't Axl do all these things? ?Because he is Axl fucking Rose, and believe it or not, this is why I love the guy. ?Everytime Axl does shit like this, in my mind, he is more bad ass. ?He does whatever the fuck he wants to, and nobody's going to get in his way. ?There are very few people like this in this world today. ?I personally think this is why a lot of people like him. ?I went to the Tacoma WA show in 2002. ?The show right after Vancouver got cancelled. ?There were tons of Vancouver fans who came down for the show. ?Now, why would they do that after what Axl did to them? ?Because with all the shit that Axl pulls, people still love him. ?

[providman]

[

Ok, Bono is Bono, not Axl Rose. ?

Why does or doesn't Axl do all these things? ?Because he is Axl fucking Rose, and believe it or not, this is why I love the guy. ?Everytime Axl does shit like this, in my mind, he is more bad ass. ?He does whatever the fuck he wants to, and nobody's going to get in his way. ?There are very few people like this in this world today. ?I personally think this is why a lot of people like him. ?I went to the Tacoma WA show in 2002. ?The show right after Vancouver got cancelled. ?There were tons of Vancouver fans who came down for the show. ?Now, why would they do that after what Axl did to them? ?Because with all the shit that Axl pulls, people still love him. ?

Yea, because of morons like you, Axl & his fanboys worshipers are considered a joke by anyone with half a brain. The more he shits on you, the more you love it & ask for more. No wonder axl hold his "fans" in such low regard. You're a bunch of doormats. Don't worry, Axl will keep treating you & your ilk like garbage, so he'll still be "badass" in your pathetic little axl worshiping world.

[damnthehaters]

[

Ok, Bono is Bono, not Axl Rose. ?

Why does or doesn't Axl do all these things? ?Because he is Axl fucking Rose, and believe it or not, this is why I love the guy. ?Everytime Axl does shit like this, in my mind, he is more bad ass. ?He does whatever the fuck he wants to, and nobody's going to get in his way. ?There are very few people like this in this world today. ?I personally think this is why a lot of people like him. ?I went to the Tacoma WA show in 2002. ?The show right after Vancouver got cancelled. ?There were tons of Vancouver fans who came down for the show. ?Now, why would they do that after what Axl did to them? ?Because with all the shit that Axl pulls, people still love him. ?

Yea, because of morons like you, Axl & his fanboys worshipers are considered a joke by anyone with half a brain. The more he shits on you, the more you love it & ask for more. No wonder axl hold his "fans" in such low regard. You're a bunch of doormats. Don't worry, Axl will keep treating you & your ilk like garbage, so he'll still be "badass" in your pathetic little axl worshiping world.

Moron, pathetic?? Now why do you have to go and say things like that?

Yeah, I love Axl.? Because of everything he has done.? His stage presence, his style, his voice, his writing, his fuck you attitude, his rythem, his bandana, his tight shorts, his kilt, his perfectionism, etc.? I could go on and on.? He is #1 in my book.? When I listen to Rock N Roll, I don't need some lame ass nice guy up there doing just what people like you want.? I don't need someone to be my friend.? What I need is someone who breaks the rules, takes me away from the everyday world.? Sorry for really really really liking one of the best frontmen of all time.

Sorry dude

One more thing providman.  Would you say that Axl is shitting on his fans right now as we speek?  By not talking to us, letting us know what is going on in the GNR world?  By not coming out with this album that was rumored to be coming out as early as 4 or so years ago?  I'm pretty sure that you would say that he's definately up to his old tricks, and shitting on his fans.  Well if this is the case, then why are you still here "asking for more"?  Are you a moron?  Or are you pathetic?