vr pics from italy with izzy

[younggunner]

I think part of the problem is people are so obssessed with cd that they won't allow them to enjoy something else

Because its exciting. Lets not forget its being fronted by a very, very interesting person.

Some blame the ex gunners for the albums delay

I admire vr because it's something harder to do because the name is unknown and the band is labled as a supergroup. if they were a group of young guys with the same rock sound they might be getting a much higer praise...e

Yea, that poor band VR. Had to start at the bottom and work there way to the top. Cmon, man. Are you kidding? Just because its a new name means jack shit. Before and or after every time they are played on the radio or talked about in magazines thier past bands are talked about. Lets not forget GNr were the biggest band of all the land a decade ago. Did peopel all of a sudden forget that? Stop with this Vr/Underdog bullshit.....it doesnt work.

Someone like axl has somewhat of a super group, but he has the gnr name which makes it easier because gnr has a huge fan base...

How is GNr a supergroup? If they had Zak Whylde, Grohl,Twiggy, Brian MAy...then you woul dbe right....
go ask a coupl eof people on the street if they know who Chris Pittman,richard fortus,brain,and robin finck are. Ill give u tommy and bucket. But even they arent widely known.

Yes, GNr will have a fan base all ready to go. But they arent just focusing on their old fanbase. Gnr is for everyone not just for us.

As I said it's a real shame that people don't just enjoy this band and be hapopy they're one with great chemistry as ex gunners.. They get the job done, they had huge problems with drugs, they're close with the fans, their info is second to none.. It's a great thing..I hope it lasts forever..
Everything they do as a group I wish axl would do..

I cant stop laughing. So because Vr are "best friends", are tight, and have an album out we should love them. There main job is to deliver music. For me personally, it doesnt work for me. If it does for you, great. But for me it doesnt. All that other stuff comes after the music. If they are tight, great if not, o well, its a rock band not a pop band...

And why do you keep implying GNR is not the same way? These guys are all friends with each other. Even before they joined GNr. I just dont get it. These guys are always touring with each other and helping out on each others albums. How come you never mention how great and wonderful that is? Ill tell you why...
Because you see Slash, Duff, Matt and IZzy all together...so you think they are the saints. They are the good guys. They appreciated each other. And you view Axl as the asshole who cant be the good guy and be friends with them. Axl has moved on his life. Why cant you realize/respect that. If the old members are still firends. Great more power to them. Axl has moved on. He doesnt need them. FOr better or for worse. He doesnt want them to be asscociate dwith him. Thats his choice. And just becuase he feels liek that doesnt make him right or worng. Its his fukin life. No1 tells you who to be friends with. 
 I just dont get the shit you say sometimes.

All this happy go lucky family type stuff is making me vomit.
The biggest difference between VR and GNR is that VR's max is being a "solid" safe, gets the job done rock band...GNr have the potential to either be huge or flop....meaning theres a sense of anticipation/danger/u dont know what the fuk is up....

As ive said...VR rocks, but GNR will rock the fukin world.

And Tommy just confirmed that..he said the songs are earth shattering?

[dave-gnfnr2k]

The name VR doesnt mean anything"I admire vr because it's something harder to do because the name is unknown and the band is labled as a supergroup. if they were a group of young guys with the same rock sound they might be getting a much higer praise.."

They are not unknown,  everytime you hear the name VR, its always followed by with former members of guns n roses and STP.  They just should have made that part of their band name.

[Booker Floyd]

They are not unknown

Did he say they werent?

The name was unfamiliar.  Thats a fact.

Lets not forget GNr were the biggest band of all the land a decade ago. Did peopel all of a sudden forget that? Stop with this Vr/Underdog bullshit.....it doesnt work.

Right...and a decade ago, when Slash was still in that huge band, he put out a record, which happened to have 2 or 3 other GNR members (not to mention a member of Alice In Chains)...and it was certainly known for being GNR-related.   

Before and or after every time they are played on the radio or talked about in magazines thier past bands are talked about.

So what?  Of course its no secret that they were in those bands?  Did that make Aint Life Grand #1?  12 Bar Blues?  Its a hell of a lot harder for older acts to comeback from unsuccessful projects (especially when the last similar success was over 10 years ago in the GNR guys case) than youre making it seem.  They went from cold to hot nearly overnight.  Because STPs last album was not huge, and neither was anything after GNR for those guys.

Just because its a new name means jack shit.

Actually it means a lot.  It means establishing a brand-new identity to an audience in a relatively short amount of time.  "Guns N' Roses," because of all of their achievements, will always get attention.  A year ago, hardly anybody knew what Velvet Revolver was.  They had to work hard to make the name Velvet Revolver mean something to people. 

Do you honestly believe that Chinese Democracy would even be remotely as anticipated if it were "The Axl Rose Band".  If you say yes, youre fooling yourself.  "Guns N' Roses" carries a ton of weight, and its not because of Robin Finck and Co.

All this happy go lucky family type stuff is making me vomit.

Except when its about the new GNR, right?

And Tommy just confirmed that..he said the songs are earth shattering 

Then it must be true...

[younggunner]

quote]So what?? Of course its no secret that they were in those bands?? Did that make Aint Life Grand #1?? 12 Bar Blues?? Its a hell of a lot harder for older acts to comeback from unsuccessful projects (especially when the last similar success was over 10 years ago in the GNR guys case) than youre making it seem.? They went from cold to hot nearly overnight.? Because STPs last album was not huge, and neither was anything after GNR for those guys.? ?

Were those SOLO projects promoted like VR was/is promoted? Im not trying to diminish their accomplishments in the least bit. They have done well for themselves and have been successful. But to make it seem like it was impossible for them to achieve this is not being fair. Unless the music was 80'sish they were going to do fine. Plus they added Weiland. Which legitimizes them as a modern band.

Actually it means a lot.? It means establishing a brand-new identity to an audience in a relatively short amount of time.? "Guns N' Roses," because of all of their achievements, will always get attention.?

And the old members in GNr will always be reconized for their ahcivments. So in reality the name never leaves them. They are known for GNR.

A year ago, hardly anybody knew what Velvet Revolver was.? They had to work hard to make the name Velvet Revolver mean something to people

No shit. Thats because the promotion wheels werent running yet. They did the promotional blitzz, and bam everyone new who VR was. What is so hard about that? What out of the oridnary thing have they done to "work hard" to regain their status? They did magazines,interviews,singles,videos,tour...every band does that.

Just like people to this day do not know anything about the members of gnr and what they are about. Just because GNr have the name doesnt mean the red carpet will be rolled out from the get go. The world is not waiting with open arms for GNR.

Do you honestly believe that Chinese Democracy would even be remotely as anticipated if it were "The Axl Rose Band".? If you say yes, youre fooling yourself.? "Guns N' Roses" carries a ton of weight, and its not because of Robin Finck and Co.

ABSOLUTELY. You all think that because hes using the name, thats the reason why people are highly anticipating this album. And thats wrong. The fact that he refuses to reunite with the old members, the fact that he has made it is his life to make the best album possible, the fact that he could careless what anyone thinks is more intruiguing than him using the GNr name.
The only difference there would be if it was deemed a solo project would be that there would be less negativity towards him. Thats it. BUt he still would be the one who killed old gnr, so it really doesnt matter. The anticipation,curiosity and all that other good stuff would still be there, gnr name or not. Keeping the GNr name adds fuel to the fire.

And your last comment tells the sotry even more. People are intrigued about Axl Rose. LEts play make believe for a second. Lets say Slash is Axl and Axl is Slash, as they are today. The rolse are reversed. Slash locks himself away and says world, im making a great album with a new singer. No1 would care.
Axl? intrigues people. He draws people. Axl is the reason why peopel are monitoring thie situation like they are. Peopel say what the fuk is he really doing in that studio, etc. Not yea hes keeoing the gnr name? thats why I wanna see what hes doing.
An Axl solo project means much more then a slash solo project. Axl at one point was bigger than the actual band. Hes the frontman. Hes the ultimate icon. Ye SLash is alegend but not the way Axl is in terms of public response.{good or bad}

Except when its about the new GNR, right?

Direct me to a thread I have started or a post where I talk about how sweet and dandy Brain and bucket are jamming together on a tour, or tommy and fortus etc. Please dirrect me to that thread.

I only bring it up when peopel imply that new gnr are not this "real"band idea....in term sof chemistry etc.

Then it must be true...

dam straight....

[coolman78SLASH]

Younggunner, you seem like a guy who have made it your obsession to defend Axl no matter what he say or does, and maybe I'm wrong, but you seems to get really stressed up if anyone says anything good about Slash or some of the other ex-members without praising Axl the same time. I mean, your ID tells me you are 19, so that makes you something between 0 and 9 years old from GnR started up to the last concert they gave before they parted ways, and Axl had to search for different players...Maybe that's why you seem to forget the fact that GnR became popular because of a team effort, not only because of Axl, or Slash, or Duff or whoever...  GnR for most people where Axl and Slash, just like Mick and Keith is in Rolling Stones, Steven and Joe in Aerosmiths, John and Paul in The Beatles, Freddy and Brian in Queen, Angus and Brian/Bon Scott in ACDC, Robert and Jimmy in Led Zeppelin..  Of course the other band members were important, but the lead singer and the lead guitar player always get the most attention from the public.. So to put it in this way: Slash would problably not been known if it wasen't for Axl, but Axl problably woulden't be either if it weren't for Slash..  I don't mean to be an asshole towards you man, but VR is to closest thing to GnR right now, and I'm hoping for Axl to release a great album as well, because that would simply give us more cool records to choose between 

[younggunner]

Younggunner, you seem like a guy who have made it your obsession to defend Axl no matter what he say or does

When peopel paint the wrong pciture about GNr i defend them and tell them how it really is. I dont defend Axl on everythign he says or does. He has made countless mistakes. But for me I could care less because I dont get wrapped up in the whole hes a prick thing. Musically and as an idol he provides much more positives than negatives.

but you seems to get really stressed up if anyone says anything good about Slash or some of the other ex-members without praising Axl the same time.

an example of this would be?

and Axl had to search for different players...Maybe that's why you seem to forget the fact that GnR became popular because of a team effort, not only because of Axl, or Slash, or Duff or whoever

I completely am aware and acknowledge that

So to put it in this way: Slash would problably not been known if it wasen't for Axl, but Axl problably woulden't be either if it weren't for Slash..

Again, I never slighted what Slash did with GNR. NEver. And I have never said "Axl is old Gnr". or anything liek that. they were great because all of them clicked. All I said was that Axl was the most popular of the group. Slash is greta and all but Axl is on another level. NOt in terms of making GNr what it was musically but in terms of public response.
I first started liking GNr because of old gnr. The music and eveyrthing they were apart drew me in. I had absolutley no bias' going into it. Theres no calculated reason why it turns out that Axl appealed to me a lot more. None at all.  My point is theres somehting about Axl that goes further than the old band. That is why this whole thing is appealing

but VR is to closest thing to GnR right now, and I'm hoping for Axl to release a great album as well, because that would simply give us more cool records to choose between

Thats fine. If you enjoy VR because its practically old grn then thats cool. I dont. I dont care whos in a band. FIrst and foremost its baout music. Im not crazy about CB. What can I say.

But I have never said you have to like 1 over the other. Theres nothin worng with enjoying both. This is music. not sports

[mikegiuliana]

Youngunner how you could possily even compare the two groups in having to start over who has it tougher.. I think Booker said it perfectly in his reply to your follow up of my post..

You make it sound like the average person knows who duff or matt is.. ALot of people don't know who slash is.. I mention slash to someone then I have to say oh the dude with teh top hat and the hair in his face from guns n roses, then sometimes it clicks, but not after a whole speech..

All I said was that it's not as easy for vr to get fame and as excepted by the people because they're considered a supergroup..I mentioned new gnr being LIKE a supergroup because it was under the use of a known name, and the idea the new members are from former groups..I never said anything about their outside success..

You made it sound like when the crowd went nuts at the vmas they were just doing it for axl, most people had no clue it was a different goup..Goid, I wish I could remember hoiw many people asked me why slash was wearing a mask n bucket

On another note all the old guys did individual projects, did their albums explode in sales?? Chinese d was/ is anticipated because it's a guns n roses album, their establshed audience has been waiting since the illusions for a new album..

Sure I could say if it the gnr name wasn't in use there would be mild attention on this..
You mentioned chemistry with the new group, sure they could play on stage, but I haven't seen any of them do anything as a group, or pal around like friends.. You can't say the music because I haven't heard anything new in ages.. Sure tommy n dizzy say nice things about axl, but would you expect them to say anything but that being in a group which is allowing them to do solo records, tour, etc?

Being tight is a good thing, it's greatr the band is this way, sorry I'm happy about this..Should I rather see a band I enjoy act like a bunch of hired musicians just there for a paycheck.. I love when anyone compares something to new gnr.,.. People get so defensive, it's not anyone's fault the band enver comes through, and the band is never in the same room.. Because there's EPIC songs they're allowed to take forever to do an album and never release their first effort as a group

I'm very anxious for chinese d, but it seems cool to say when anything happens in a bad way like canceled tour, missed shows, delays with the album, showing up late for just about every show, etc that it's ok because it's axl.. If vr is late I'll be the first to say I'm pissed, or if they miss soemthing when I'm into my tenth beer and had to watch two bullshit opening acts then they aren't there I'd be furious..  I see alot of double standards in these forums.. I understand it, but it's wrong..

[younggunner]

Youngunner how you could possily even compare the two groups in having to start over who has it tougher..

Hands down, Gnr has it much tougher. The only thing they have over VR is the name. Look at the major positives and compare it to the major negatives regarding the band name.
The major positives are that its a known name and that they already have a fanbase.
The major negatives are the fact that a lot of people do not accept his band as GNR, and most importantly, being that they are using the name, the music has to hold the names standards. They cant just release shit music. Old GNr was great so this band has to release great if not better music.

As many of you are so quick to point out that the GNR name is ruined and all that good stuff. Yet you tell me ho wmuch of an advantage it is. And im telling you it is!. It will help with initial sales. But after that its all up to the music.

The negativity,pressure and everythign else asscociated with Axl and GNr far outweighs anything VR had.

ALot of people don't know who slash is.. I mention slash to someone then I have to say oh the dude with teh top hat and the hair in his face from guns n roses, then sometimes it clicks, but not after a whole speech..

You just proved my point even more...thanks...

All I said was that it's not as easy for vr to get fame and as excepted by the people because they're considered a supergroup

Dude, VR already has had fame. STP and GNr were quite huge bands. If the music is good poeple will listen. Vr were not an underdog....

On another note all the old guys did individual projects, did their albums explode in sales??

Their sales didnt explode for various reasons. ! being that their albums werent nearly as pushed an dpromoted as Vr. Plus your missing the fact that they were SIDE PROJECTS not band efforts. And the second being that what you sdaid earlier. Yes, Slash is a legend. Well deserved. But he is not in the same league as Axl.

Chinese d was/ is anticipated because it's a guns n roses album, their establshed audience has been waiting since the illusions for a new album..

So your basically saying that when CD is discussed the topics "why did the band break up",what the hell is so important that Axl wont reunite with them",etc doesnt come up?

No fukin shit GNR will already have an established audience. Whos disputing that? Whether its called GNR or Malibu Mafia the gnr fans would still be buying the album. Would you be saying how under that band name Axl still has an advantage? Of course he does. He already has a career. Theres no way he or VR can escape that.

The only advantage the name gives is when a person who knows nothing about GNR goes into a store and says hey theres GNr and buys CD over AFD. BUt you have to realize that when GNR do the promotional thing, people will know its a new band and not the old. Right now there still might be misconceptions but when they get the ball rolling people will know.

You can say all the hell you wnat about the name.IT WILL COME DOWN TO THE MUSIC THEY MAKE. By using th GNR name they have more pressure and responsibility. They asked for it, they accept it....now people like you should....actually you dont...all i say/ask is wait till you hear the material

You mentioned chemistry with the new group, sure they could play on stage, but I haven't seen any of them do anything as a group, or pal around like friends..

lol. First off, they WERE FRIENDS beofre they even got into GNR. They all got into the band by recommendations from each other. Would you look at that 

Brain and Bucket are on countless albums together and have toured together a shitload of times. Same with tommy and fortus. Robin, Axl and Tommy are real good friends. They go to shows together and other shit we dont even know about. Get your dam facts straight before you say stupid shit....

But your last comment make sme laugh. Who the hell cares if they  are "pals" or not. I just dont get this whole band thing. As long as a band has great chemistry on stage and makes the best possible music then what the fuck do you care.
Old Gnr didnt hang out with each other during the illusions. Di d that effect them being the best and biggest band in the world? Were you saying the same thing back then? Hell no

you only say it now because you see the old guys "jamming" together. Good for them. They have remained friends. Mor epower to them. But that has nothing to do with Axl and new gnr.

You can't say the music because I haven't heard anything new in ages.. Sure tommy n dizzy say nice things about axl, but would you expect them to say anything but that being in a group which is allowing them to do solo records, tour, etc?

Here we go again. Ok, So when Duff,  Scott and Slash say good things about each other and the mucis they make I wont listen to them either.

Shut the fuk up with this "there only being nice to Axl"
Maybe theres a reason they are nice to Axl. Because Axl is loyal to them. Because they are fukin friends. They have developed a friendship over time. IS that not allowed? Because Axl is the "dickhead" no1 can be his friend? Because he doesnt wnat anything to do with the old members he is not a goo dguy?Fuck that. Im sick n tired of this pussy ass bullshit you people bring up.

If you guys would actually read the new articles over the years, if you would put past all the old bullshit, you would realize that Axl is not the guy you all portray him to be. Yea hes got problems. Im not syaing hes a victim. Hes not. But o my friggen god. The guy cant win with some of you....his bandmates say something good about him its only because they get paid....GNr will do good in the futur its because of the gnr name...the list goes on and on...and its a joke...especially the whole band/chemistyr thing. you people have no dam clue.
The member sin this band have invested many years intoi this project. They have worked hard and put up with many tyhinsg in this band. Including Axl.

No matter what the bandmembers say or do you will never accept them. This is not an ordinary band. They didnt form from the gutter. We all know that and no1 is trying to portray them as that. They formed together by knowing each other and forming a bond with Axl. If you wont accept that then its your problem....

Being tight is a good thing, it's greatr the band is this way, sorry I'm happy about this..Should I rather see a band I enjoy act like a bunch of hired musicians just there for a paycheck.. I love when anyone compares something to new gnr.,..

No shit being tight is a great thing. Where did I bash Vr for being tight? But when you keep being a pussy and imply that GNr are these hired guns just saying yes to please Axl then you are completely wrong.

People get so defensive, it's not anyone's fault the band enver comes through, and the band is never in the same room.. Because there's EPIC songs they're allowed to take forever to do an album and never release their first effort as a group

IDk about you but I will deem the band hasnt come through when they release CD and its horrible. If the music sux thats when they failed...for me atleast.
No1 is ever in the same room? Are you dumb? From 99-2002 they were locked up in the dam studio. I just dont understand where u get ur info. But you beter get some better info. They made a shitload of material in that time as well. There work was done. and has been done. Now its on Axl to release it.

How come I dont you see you yapping about how SLash and Duff sent already made tracks to Scott to select and sing over? Axl has doen the complete band effort. Every member of this band has put something into every dam song. If you want to deny or not accept that then thats your problemo.

And who the hell are you to say how long it should take for Axl to release an album? If you cant wait, fuk off. But you dont because you know theres a slight chance he and the band have indeed made something exciting.

I see alot of double standards in these forums.. I understand it, but it's wrong..

I agree...theres a shitload of double standards on the boards. But they root from the people who support Vr....people liek you.......

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Great to see Izzy still is involved with VR to some degree. He has the best of both worlds.

As far as the comparison of VR and GNR goes, I think CD will be much more innovative, experimental and more artistic of an album than Contraband. But when I want to hear straight ahead balls to the wall pure rock, nothing beats VR.