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Title: Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: anythinggoes on January 22, 2004, 11:14:25 AM I recently saw a video of Civil War being played by GNR at a benifit with Steven Adler on Drums, in a documentary there is a clip from 1989 of Axl with West Arkeen singing Yesterdays and The Garden at a bar. A lot of the illusion songs were written when Steven Adler was in the band so does he or did he have any rights to them and has anybody seen clips of him playing any of the Illusion songs live (except KOHD and Dont Cry).
Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: AdZ on January 22, 2004, 11:47:57 AM He played Civil War and Down on the Farm at Farm Aid.
Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: 2NaFish on January 22, 2004, 11:53:44 AM Adler was in the band when many of the songs were written, but when the time came to record them in the studio Matt did his own thing on the drums. Listen to an old version of don't cry and the album version, there's a huge difference in the drumming.
The only song which steven gets royalties for is civil war as it's the only one that features him. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: lennonisgod on January 22, 2004, 01:02:06 PM Adler was in the band when many of the songs were written, but when the time came to record them in the studio Matt did his own thing on the drums. Listen to an old version of don't cry and the album version, there's a huge difference in the drumming. The only song which steven gets royalties for is civil war as it's the only one that features him. You're right. And the first time GNR recorded a song w/ Matt they recorded Knockin On Heavens Door. I believe that went to the "Days of Thunder" soundtrack. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Nick83 on January 22, 2004, 02:04:32 PM Steven Adler is an undeserving bum. I think he was just a buddy/hanger on that got real lucky. I don't give him any credit whatsoever.
Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Eazy E on January 22, 2004, 02:12:28 PM Steven Adler is an undeserving bum. I think he was just a buddy/hanger on that got real lucky. I don't give him any credit whatsoever. Yeah, what kind of fag joins a band with his friends? ::) Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Nick83 on January 22, 2004, 02:18:59 PM Steven Adler is an undeserving bum. I think he was just a buddy/hanger on that got real lucky. I don't give him any credit whatsoever. Yeah, what kind of fag joins a band with his friends? ::) He was lucky because he was friends with them. They brought him along for the ride, not because of his musicianship, but only because he was their friend. But as we all know, it was never meant to work out. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Butch Français on January 22, 2004, 03:37:15 PM Adler was in the band when many of the songs were written, but when the time came to record them in the studio Matt did his own thing on the drums. Listen to an old version of don't cry and the album version, there's a huge difference in the drumming. The only song which steven gets royalties for is civil war as it's the only one that features him. You're right. And the first time GNR recorded a song w/ Matt they recorded Knockin On Heavens Door. I believe that went to the "Days of Thunder" soundtrack. I might be wrong, but Im pretty sure Steven plays drums on the Days Of Thunder version of KOHD. and Nick, it always amazes me how much shit you are capable of writing. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: kupirock on January 22, 2004, 03:37:26 PM The only song which steven gets royalties for is civil war But he don't get shit because he only plays on that song... Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: SwedeChildO'Mine on January 22, 2004, 05:26:57 PM Quote from Nick83:
"He was lucky because he was friends with them. They brought him along for the ride, not because of his musicianship, but only because he was their friend. But as we all know, it was never meant to work out." OK, with your musical taste I guess you think Matt Sorum is Axl's cousin... And John Lennon were Paul's older brother... The drumming on AFD wins by a mile over the drumming on UYI1 & UYI2. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: badapple81 on January 22, 2004, 05:33:18 PM How come Civil War wasnt redone with Matts drumming? Was it just a matter of time being as the date for the UYI release had already been set back so many times?
Nick.. no matter what problems Steven did have.. theres no doubt his drumming was great and suited perfectly for that era of GNR.. I think it was Slash who said that as soon as he left, GNR lost a lot of the rhythm and tempo that had become natural to them.. cant remember the exact quote.. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Dizzy on January 22, 2004, 05:40:24 PM The following UYI songs were played live with Steven...
Don't Cry Back off Bitch Yesterdays Knockin' On Heaven's Door Civil War The following TSI songs were played live with Steven... Down on the Farm Hair of the Dog I have a CD with the following UYI demos featuring Steven on drums... Civil War (three versions) Get in the Ring Ain't Goin Down Don't Damn Me (two versions) Garden of Eden Locomotive Dust N Bones And according to Steven, he, Duff, and Slash wrote and rehearsed 36 new songs during the 1989 Chicago sessions I might be wrong, but Im pretty sure Steven plays drums on the Days Of Thunder version of KOHD. Correct. Steven does indeed play drums on the Days of Thunder version. It was released in 1990 before his termination. Quote Nick, it always amazes me how much shit you are capable of writing. Don't worry about Nick, he admits that he's drunk when he authors most of his posts. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Dizzy on January 22, 2004, 05:42:07 PM How come Civil War wasnt redone with Matts drumming? Was it just a matter of time being as the date for the UYI release had already been set back so many times? That would be my guess. I'm just thankful we got Steven at least once on the UYI set. Quote Nick.. no matter what problems Steven did have.. theres no doubt his drumming was great and suited perfectly for that era of GNR.. I think it was Slash who said that as soon as he left, GNR lost a lot of the rhythm and tempo that had become natural to them.. cant remember the exact quote.. Look no further than my signature for that quote. Steven's drumming made the band; he made a big musical difference. His sense of swing was the push and pull that gave those songs their feel, afterwards, nothing worked. ---Izzy Stradlin Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: echrisl on January 22, 2004, 05:45:38 PM Steven Adler is an undeserving bum. I think he was just a buddy/hanger on that got real lucky. I don't give him any credit whatsoever. Yeah, what kind of fag joins a band with his friends? ::) He was lucky because he was friends with them. They brought him along for the ride, not because of his musicianship, but only because he was their friend. But as we all know, it was never meant to work out. Come on, I like to rag on Steven and make fun of him too, but you have to admit that he's a really good drummer (or was anyway) and that he's the drummer on the greatest debut rock album of all time ... not too shabby of a resume. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Nick83 on January 22, 2004, 06:33:12 PM I liked Steven, but let's face it, he's not a good drummer :no:
Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Nick83 on January 22, 2004, 06:35:53 PM Don't worry about Nick, he admits that he's drunk when he authors most of his posts. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Saul on January 22, 2004, 06:42:22 PM Steven Adlers drumming was top level on AFD and the live like a suicide ep.
He even fucking rocked live ... watch the old boots or the mtv ritz concert. It was only when the drugs totally took over his life that he started to slide. And then he became the perfect scapegoat for the rest of the drug battling band and got the boot in hopes the rest of the band would somehow clean up somewhat. IMHO , GNR was never the same once adler was gone , I think it's a BIG reason Izzy finally left. :( btw..funny tidbit about adler..if you watch really close at the farm aid show when the band takes the stage adler comes running out and as he goes to jump up on his drum riser he trips and falls face first on a cymbal , really hard!!!! LMAO! Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Dizzy on January 22, 2004, 06:44:45 PM IMHO , GNR was never the same once adler was gone , I think it's a BIG reason Izzy finally left. I knew it was the beginning of the end when Steven was legally voted out of the band for doing drugs. This coming from a band who spent five years doing groupies and acting like idiots! --Izzy Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Nick83 on January 22, 2004, 06:44:58 PM You guys are mistaking chemistry for musicianship. Sure, Steven and the band had chemistry, but Steven is not a good drummer.
Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Dizzy on January 22, 2004, 06:48:43 PM You guys are mistaking chemistry for musicianship. Sure, Steven and the band had chemistry, but Steven is not a good drummer. Point to one song Steven played on where his drumming doesn't sound incredible and I'll side with you. Because otherwise, you don't have a leg to stand on when you state he isn't a good drummer. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Nick83 on January 22, 2004, 06:50:29 PM You guys are mistaking chemistry for musicianship. Sure, Steven and the band had chemistry, but Steven is not a good drummer. Point to one song Steven played on where his drumming doesn't sound incredible and I'll side with you. Because otherwise, you don't have a leg to stand on when you state he isn't a good drummer. Your opinion is set, and there is no way to convince you otherwise. I'm glad you enjoy his drumming. As they say, ignorance is bliss. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: jarmo on January 22, 2004, 06:54:13 PM ::)Sure buddy. You're an annoying oldfuck. Get off my nuts, get the fuck off the net, take your ugly self, and try to get some pussy. That's all I can recommend. There are plenty of "stuck in the 80's" 40 year old sluts at those Ozzy shows you go to. Now scram : ok: Gone. [wave] You just couldn't stop your stupid shit. /jarmo Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Saul on January 22, 2004, 06:54:25 PM "As they say, ignorance is bliss."
wow , Nick , if you think adlers drumming sucked on AFD then what you just said about ignorance totally apllies to yourself. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Dizzy on January 22, 2004, 06:56:08 PM Jarmo, for some reason you've got me singing that Queen song "Another One Bites the Dust". :hihi:
Your opinion is set, and there is no way to convince you otherwise. Pot calling the kettle black. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: marknroses on January 23, 2004, 01:06:13 AM Here's what are lead GNR player had to say about Steven's playing:
K : What about Steven Adler, your drummer? First he?s out of the band, then he?s back again. What?s the story right now? A : He is back in the band. He was definitely out of the band. He wasn?t necessarily fired, we worked with Adam Maples, we worked with Martin Chambers, and Steven did the Guns N? Roses thing and got his shit together. And it worked, and he did it, and he plays the songs better than any of ?em, just bad-assed, and he?s GNR. And so if he doesn?t blow it, we?re going to try the album with him, and the tour. Maybe CD is taking so long because AXL is tying to convert Brain into Steven (regarding drumming feel with the songs) Mark N' Roses Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: erose on January 23, 2004, 03:42:15 AM Here's what are lead GNR player had to say about Steven's playing: K : What about Steven Adler, your drummer? First he?s out of the band, then he?s back again. What?s the story right now? A : He is back in the band. He was definitely out of the band. He wasn?t necessarily fired, we worked with Adam Maples, we worked with Martin Chambers, and Steven did the Guns N? Roses thing and got his shit together. And it worked, and he did it, and he plays the songs better than any of ?em, just bad-assed, and he?s GNR. And so if he doesn?t blow it, we?re going to try the album with him, and the tour. Maybe CD is taking so long because AXL is tying to convert Brain into Steven (regarding drumming feel with the songs) Mark N' Roses we all now that matt is the better drummer, but steven was better for GN'R! right? ;) Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: axl_rose_700 on January 23, 2004, 09:19:12 AM Steven Adler is an undeserving bum. I think he was just a buddy/hanger on that got real lucky. I don't give him any credit whatsoever. aswell a the fact hes a very good drummer.Aswell as the fact he is a damn good drummer, clearly better than Matt Yeah, what kind of fag joins a band with his friends? ::) He was lucky because he was friends with them. They brought him along for the ride, not because of his musicianship, but only because he was their friend. But as we all know, it was never meant to work out. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: liquidvirus on January 23, 2004, 12:44:18 PM I liked Steven, but let's face it, he's not a good drummer :no: dude get your head outta ur ass and ull hear it...steven rocked as a drummer...i jus wonder how brain compares to steven or for that matter any other drummers GNR ever had..i mean all of them could build a song around a drumbeat but brain...erm...i really dunno the only song i like drumming on is chinese democracy and unless im mistaken that was done by josh freese...man hes badass,axl shud not have let him go :-\ and by gone jarmo, do u mean nick's finally banned? Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: anythinggoes on January 23, 2004, 12:48:36 PM I didnt start this thread as a reason to bash Steven "popcorn" Adler so why all the shit he is the drummer on what most people claim to be the greatest debut rock album in the world so he couldnt have been that crap sure the guy had issues but fuck didnt they all. at least he didnt have to prove himself by doing a 25 minute solo fgs
Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Butch Français on January 23, 2004, 12:57:17 PM I liked Steven, but let's face it, he's not a good drummer :no: dude get your head outta ur ass and ull hear it...steven rocked as a drummer...i jus wonder how brain compares to steven or for that matter any other drummers GNR ever had..i mean all of them could build a song around a drumbeat but brain...erm...i really dunno the only song i like drumming on is chinese democracy and unless im mistaken that was done by josh freese...man hes badass,axl shud not have let him go :-\ and by gone jarmo, do u mean nick's finally banned? don't worry about Brain, he's a brilliant drummer and very capable of building beats for songs, you should check out the work he did for Primus. Im not saying you'll love the music, cos it's either love or hate, but the drumming is awesome! Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Jizzo on January 23, 2004, 11:01:33 PM Just renforce that Adler played drums on KOHD- DOT version is the fact that the song was relased 1 month before matt was introduced as the replacement because Adler was fired.
Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: MR.BROWNSTONE on January 23, 2004, 11:38:56 PM The following UYI songs were played live with Steven... Yesterdays What show was this at? :-\ Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Dizzy on January 24, 2004, 09:01:52 AM The following UYI songs were played live with Steven... Yesterdays What show was this at? :-\ January 14, 1988 in Hollywood, CA. They also played a cover of "Born to Be Wild" at that show. :) Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: In a coma on January 24, 2004, 01:17:51 PM I completely disagree he was a great drummer and is also a really cool guy when you meet him. Listen to what Izzy said about him.
Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: KeVoRkIaN on January 24, 2004, 05:19:02 PM As a drummer myself, I have to admit that Adler was sub par in the skill department. But that isn't to take away from the ability he had to really play the right beat at the right spot and lay down the perfect rhythm (eg. Brownstone, i'ts So Easy or the simplistic intro to Paradise City). He was gifted at writing the drums that fit the song even if it was a simple beat. I will say that in terms of technical aspects of drumming we never really saw what he could do there....perhaps because he couldn't awe us with soloing and such forth, I'm on the fence with this one. I do like Alder's songwriting - but he never astonished anyone with technical ability - live or on albums.
Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Gunner80 on January 24, 2004, 11:16:27 PM As a drummer myself, I have to admit that Adler was sub par in the skill department. But that isn't to take away from the ability he had to really play the right beat at the right spot and lay down the perfect rhythm (eg. Brownstone, i'ts So Easy or the simplistic intro to Paradise City). He was gifted at writing the drums that fit the song even if it was a simple beat. I will say that in terms of technical aspects of drumming we never really saw what he could do there....perhaps because he couldn't awe us with soloing and such forth, I'm on the fence with this one. I do like Alder's songwriting - but he never astonished anyone with technical ability - live or on albums. And that makes you an expert how? :PTitle: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Butch Français on January 24, 2004, 11:35:12 PM Play AFD and UYI to a drummer and let them decide. Matt Sorum is a fuckin joke compared to champions league drummers like Bonzo, Dave Grohl or yes - even Steven Adler. Just look at Sorum's annoying drum solos on the UYI tour. They were fillers just so the others could have a cigarette break, and these solos lacked every kind of creativity. It was twenty minutes of masturbation. Compare that to "Moby Dick" (you can even SEE it now on the Led Zeppelin DVD) and you know the difference between drumming and jerking off. Steven, on the other hand, was more supportive to the material. He had no solos or big release anywhere, but his drumming really held it together. It's evident on the album, and it was evident in concerts. I really don't understand why so many people bash Adler as a loser and stuff. How can you juge that? Do you know him personally? Do you know what happened back then? Do you know what REALLY lead to his departure? I don't. And so the only opinion I afford myself to speak out loud is about his drumming - wich was fucking excellent. ok, Ive played AFD and UYI countless times, and Im a drummer, I have to say that on the issue of Sorums solos, I agree 100%! even if Matt figured out a few awesome combo beats for some of the songs, I can pretty much guarantee you that they would have sounded better with Steven. Im drunk now so if you have any questions on this issue, please ask. I LOVE Steven's drumming, but on the other hand, my opinion is that Matt's drumming was too much of a "metal" style. to put it simply, I HATE 95% of all metal music, and I HATE metal drumming, all that lousy sounding double bass stuff, it turns my guts.....AND, Matt or whatever, the producer or who, used REAL shitty sounds on the drums Matt played for the Illusions! Ive probably forgot what I came here to write, but I'll get back tomorrow to comment further. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: kupirock on January 25, 2004, 03:44:23 PM Isn't this topic supposed to be on EX GUNNERS :P ::)
Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: D on January 26, 2004, 03:30:01 AM holy shit did nick083 really get the boot? someone tell me if he for real did so i can do my signature axl rir3 throw out
anyhow cmon steven adler is the fuckin shit! matt's solo's at tokyo are horrible! if u wanna hear a drum solo check out "carr jam" on kiss' revenge cd, eric carr now theres a drummin sonbitch! rip eric carr anyhow steven's drumming has a way more solid groove on afd then matt or brains i have a gnr mix cd and im won of those cdplayer sing along dance along kind of dudes when an appetite song comes on u just groove, u do the snakedance, and just rock back and forth, use your illusions dont have that kind of swing at all, thats the biggest difference i hear also the breakdown in welcome to the jungle, those drums steven hits are on point, u know before the "u know where u are" part those little conga sounding drums or whatever i have joked about adler in the past but that man was one kick ass drummer! gotta give credit where credit is due! Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: lennonisgod on January 26, 2004, 04:26:39 PM I will admit, Steven Adler isn't my favorite drummer in the world, but anyone that says he is a bad drummer doesn't really no shit about playing drums. If anything, Adlers drumming on AFD is underrated. I prefer Matt Sorum to Steven, but that doesn't mean he can't play. The drumming on AFD is amazing. It was so much better than anything that had come out in years at the time. If he was still in GNR, I doubt that the people that say he sucks would even talk shit about him. It would be the same as if Slash was still in this band, nobody would ever say Buckethead was better than slash. Gotta go to work now, this sucks. :smoking: :smoking:
Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: darkmonth on January 26, 2004, 05:11:57 PM You guys are mistaking chemistry for musicianship. Sure, Steven and the band had chemistry, but Steven is not a good drummer. No.. YOU are WRONG. Steve is by no means a phenomenal drummer... but he IS a GREAT drummer. His timing and fluidity is STILL fucking awesome. Go and see him play. You will change your mind. Or is your head to far stuck up Axl's ass to notice anyone other than the latest GnR musicians? Next weekm it will be someone else if Brain quits. Get a fucking life and stop being such a pratt. Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: jarmo on January 26, 2004, 05:21:21 PM Or is your head to far stuck up Axl's ass to notice anyone other than the latest GnR musicians? Next weekm it will be someone else if Brain quits. Get a fucking life and stop being such a pratt. WTF is your problem? The guy was already banned, you want to make him company? /jarmo Title: Re: Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: SLASH2365 on September 24, 2004, 08:48:15 PM to all you douche bags saying that Adler sucked...well you need to shut the fuck up or put up coz i am a drummer and ive been drumming for a long time and all i do is drum and hang out with drummers, and Steve Adler on Appetite for Destruction, and on Live Like A Suicide is fucking amazing. Listen to It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Nightrain, Reckless Life, and Mama Kin and try to say he is bad. He is a fucking kick ass drummer with the perfect feel. He knows when and when not to play and what and what not to play on the drum kit. He is an A+ drummer and those who put him down can fuck off!
Title: Re: Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: N.I.B on September 24, 2004, 08:57:37 PM steven was the best GNR drummer. he wasnt a spectacular drummer bet hes pretty dman good. listen to AFD. listen closley to the drums.
Title: Re:Steven Adler on Illusions Post by: Eugene Klein on September 24, 2004, 10:31:57 PM Here's what are lead GNR player had to say about Steven's playing: What year is this interview from?K : What about Steven Adler, your drummer? First he?s out of the band, then he?s back again. What?s the story right now? A : He is back in the band. He was definitely out of the band. He wasn?t necessarily fired, we worked with Adam Maples, we worked with Martin Chambers, and Steven did the Guns N? Roses thing and got his shit together. And it worked, and he did it, and he plays the songs better than any of ?em, just bad-assed, and he?s GNR. And so if he doesn?t blow it, we?re going to try the album with him, and the tour. Maybe CD is taking so long because AXL is tying to convert Brain into Steven (regarding drumming feel with the songs) Mark N' Roses |