Here Today... Gone To Hell!

well I am a die-hard Axl fan but I have thought about this a few times........well VR has more members of the original lineup than the new Gn'R  : 2 is to 1 .....then more members of Gn'R alumni support VR than Axl's band  ....then however many excuses we might make for Axl's band but they have been short on caring to explain their delays to their fans and that is an understatement........we can boast about CD being a cross between floyd and zepplin but really what we've seen of it till now show that?  Blues and Madagascar are good songs, so is Oh My God...but what about the rest? noone can deny here that silkworms is one the most stupid gn'r songs ever ....and Chinese Democracy really isn't the gn'r class.....I'm not saying gn'r type, coz gn'r never followed any particular genre, but still they had their own class, they set the benchmarks in whatever they did.......now after this 7 years of working on this ablum , what have we got? compare that VR , they have made an album in 10 months straight and would be out with it probably before  Axl brings out his CD and they still keep their fans posted about their latest developments , unlike our ever obscure Axl......ok I might have sounded like I'm bashing him, but that's not what I mean...        

VR has mor original GnR members so they shud hav the rites..most of the songs wer written by 2 or mor..if not all of the members, not just axl

FALSE.

coolbuddy,
i can only answer that after I hear both the new albums...  The GNR legacy is about making songs that you can hear over and over again, and they'll always rock!  So we'll see which band does that - hopefully both!

However, after hearing the new VR stuff and the new nuGNR stuff, I must be honest and say that I am more excited about the upcoming VR album...
I am a die-hard Axl fan, but unless I hear his old voice again, I will be sorely disappointed.

Your wrong buddy, VR members quit GNR, its just like when Izzy left the band, they kept evolving. I believe Izzy was more GNR then Slash n' Duff, its only 'cause he didnt have a stand out image. VELVET REVOLVER are only in it for either the money or a chance to fuck up Axl's mega kick arse lineup, i think they wanna destroy what they believe Axl has done to them, personely i think VR are gonna be shited on..... n' squashed. :yes:

They would have equal rights but anyway now in new GNR there are too many "other" people, having absolutely no intension to GNR past. Besides Axl wasn't the one who wrote all those songs. Preponderance (or overweight) is on VR's side.

It always amazes me how many people here would defend Axl to the death.

Sure I love the guy too.  He's an idol.  But what he's doing to the G'N'R name with this "band" is terrible.  They're not GNR in my opinion.  They're nothing more than a cover band.  

One member does not make it the same band.  Hell if we're going to call this new "GNR" Guns N Roses, we should by the same logic call Paul McCartney's "Wings", "The New Beatles".  

VR has more members of Guns N Roses.  Does that make them the same band we used to love?  No.

Axl's "GNR" has the name, and one member.  Does that make them the same band we used to love? No.

Guns N Roses is dead.  The only way we'll ever see it is if Axl, Slash, and Duff get back together.  Two bands came out of the dead GNR, but neither one is the same as the first.

Axl, Slash, and Duff huh?  What about Izzy and Steven?  Hell at least be consistent in your argument, even if you don't mean it.

I think Mr. Rose should have changed the name, or gone solo, and exorcised his new stuff under a different header. Then stuck with GN'R to do what they did best.

Firstly, its his life, he can live it anyway he damn well wants to. Secondly, we now have two very great looking bands on our hands.

As to who gets the songs, each party is welcome to them. Remember that Izzy has written stuff with VR. Slash has said that he will never cover some old Guns stuff again (Welcome To The Jungle, Mr Brownstone etc...)

So that's Axl's domain, and hey, if you go to a Guns N' Roses show, you expect to see some Guns N' Roses songs, do you not?!

Rant over!  : ok:

axl is only one fifth of guns n roses axl alone does not make up gnr axl slash duff izzy and steven do
he legally owns the name but he is ruining it the new guns n roses is gnr in name only the original members made the name what it is and are the talent behind it they should not be calling themselves gnr maybe the new axl rose band or something axl is very talented but he alone is not gnr the new band is not gnr

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I think a GNR reunion for me would have to be Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Matt. I know he's not the original drummer, but he played on the 2 UYI albums and knows the AFD material, so we get it all with Matt. Its never gonna happen, and hell Im more than happy with VR : ok:

That's right.  Axl owns the name therefore is entitled to what ever "legacy" this thread is referring to.  If the former band-mates have a problem with it (which they obviously do with their little court case) they never should've signed over the name to Axl in the first place.

FALSE. None of them has the right to call themselves GN'R.

I agree with the above post. Neither band has a right to call themselves GnR. However VR isn't. And in every interview I have seen when the inevitable Axl and guns questions come up it doesn't seem like Slash, duff, or matt are too into even talking about it. I think they have moved on. Someone posted above they're doing this for the money and to get back at Axl. I think that is ridiculously stupid. They're all rich already, and I don't think they care enough about Axl at this point. As a huge fan of Axl's (which I know will be questioned right after this goes up by the freaky Axl loyalists who say the band is just evolving) What he has done to himself is punishment enough. He had the world and threw it all away. He is almost a punchline now. A better argument would have been that the former gunners are doing it for the fame or attention. I like to believe, however naive it may seem, Slash, Duff, and Matt really just like playing together and making music. Of course fame and money is great too tho. Anyone would love that. As far as what or who guns is, which is really what this thread comes down to, I think you need Axl and I think you need Slash and Duff, and Izzy which is not looking too feasible in the forseeable future.

Well I am gonna say Slash, Duff, Matt etc signed over the name so 2 me there is nothing they can do really Axl controlls all and always has done

Yeah but the story I have always heard was that at the height of the band he said "sign the rights over to me or else I quit". Now if you're one of the other members you know u can't keep the train rolling without this guy and you also know u have a shot to go down as one of the greatest bands of all time. While I think it was stupid to sign it over I can empathize with them for doing so. And if that story is accurate it is in no way fair and in no way shape or form a quality argument to say Axl can do whatever he wants because he owns the name.

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That court case is not about Axl using the name. They know he legally has the right to use the name.

I only got one thing to say about this topic here, and that one thing is... FALSE!!

As Slash says "WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN THE BACKBONE OF THE BAND" which is true 'cause all of 'em wrote the songs and not just axl, so since there's more original gn'r members in VR than Axl's current gn'r line-up then the answer is FUCKING YEAH VR HAS MORE RIGHTS TO THE GN'R LEGACY!!!!!!!