Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Since there's a new poll question on the main site-page each week, I thought it would be interesting to have a thread where we can say why we voted the way we did.  So I'll start....

Even though Paradise City is a great choice to end the show with and the band's choice to do alot of the old material was what - IMO - the fans wanted to hear, they did what they needed to do with the last tour.  So with the new line-up and all the new material, I'm kinda tired of all the old stuff.  I mean we've been hearing it for years and years now.  I'd like to see a show with ALL new material.  So that's why I voted "NO" to 'should GNR always end their shows with Paradise City'.

I feel the same way.  The song is the perfect conclusion for the old band.  But the new band needs to play their own songs.

i voted yes because i think pc is one of the greatest songs ever and it's one hell of a way to end a show with... although it belongs to the old era, it still belongs to the new one, just like nr, wttj, patience and so on.. i would not appreciate a gn'r show with only new songs, ok i would appreciate it, but there is alway room for old songs... if not they'd have to play the the new record from the top to the end..  and that would not satticfy the most of the crowd. it is important to know the last song they're playing, and the fack that it is the song everybody likes it makes the crowd go absolutely ballistic in the end.. please take me home.. hell the song fits so fine as end to a show too.. there are no gn'r songs i would rather have ending a show.. as for an opener, now thats a whole different story...

plus if gn'r ever again did a show with no old songs.... they'd shoot themself in the foot, nimo but in many others... i like it when the not so hardcore dude next to me bangs his head off too... it's the whole package i guess...

cool thread btw, interesting to hear about the votes

 :peace:

I voted yes because I think it's the perfect way to end the show.

-EM :smoking:

I voted "Yes" to 'will GNR play a New Years Eve show' because that's what they did as a dry run prior to the tour.  So since I'm hoping that CD will be released early next year, I think they'll do a New Years Eve show with all new material to start the promotions going for the new album.  ;D

Whoa! Surprisingly many people are pessimistic about Chinese Democracy. I didn't expect so big Never-opion.

LOL, are you joking?

Imagine there was a poll after Rio asking if you thought the CD would be out by 2004... you would've probably said "Axl's not a fuckin retard, of course he's going to release it within the next 3 years" to anyone that said it wouldn't be out by now.  Look where we are, the people have learned not to expect anything.   : ok:

I'm still confident....2004 will be the year, RIR4 must be the sign we have been looking for...would it make sense just to do a one off show then disappear again......hmmmm

It didn't make sense to start the Chinese Democracy world tour and then abort it after a month either.... then hide away with 'no comment' for over a year

I don't believe any rumors anymore... I have little faith axl can pull his head outta the sand and release this monster... he's too insecure

I'm one of the biggest axl supporters around here, but i'm just trying to be realistic...

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.... i've had my hopes high since Oh My God...

tired of being disappointed... so now i have no expectations of him to deliver

That's exactly what I thought in 2001. However, I'm optimistic and voted "before RIR Lisbon".



/lastroots

Great post!

I have a lot of hope and sympathy for Axl and I'm on his side at the end of the day.

But this post is the best characterization of why such profound doubts about the band/album exist. I share these doubts while maintaining a certain level of optimism. But it's almost sickening to think back 3 years - the time of the first Vegas show and RIR, when the album already seemed about 2 years overdue - and how badly things have gone since. Fortunately Axl isn't in charge of a hospital or a soup kitchen. People would be dying.

Well for the current poll.... I'd have to say the biggest disappointment was that Danny was actually right.  :nervous:

I dont listen to ANY band everyday.  It would ruin the music.

I voted "Yes" to being surpised that GNR cancelled Rio-Lisbon because I thought that show had special meaning for Axl and because it's to benefit a children's charity.  :-\

I was thinking this way because even if GNR had planned on doing alot more new material in this show (that only the line-up who had been playing it for a while would be comfortable enough with), two months is more than enough time (IMO) to switch gears to do the old songs with either the line-up "as is" or with a replacement for the guitarist that left.

 ??? Or am I wrong about two months being enough time to make a change like that?  I don't play guitar but I read how a lot of the members here learn or play the old songs.  So I would think that an established guitarist wouldn't find the old material that difficult to play because they're all songs that everyone's heard a gazzillion times.

And if I am wrong about the two months being enough time, can I plead "guitar illiteracy" and change my vote in the poll?  :P

I voted I wasn?t surprised.It?s not because I?m pesimistic but because It?s nothing new for Axl to cancel something.
By the way I voted  never on "when do you think Chinese Democracy will  be realesed" althugh I think It could be realesed in a looong while, bt that was noot an option

I voted i was surprised, i thought this show was a definate thing

I'm kind of confused about the current poll - Velvet Revolver's different "color" versions. I haven't done much homework on VR. So, could someone explain this to me?

The cover art will be available in three colors.



/jarmo

 I voted for the red version because I think that this is the best way to start for a band. Red=passion. And there's should be a lot of it in 'Contraband'.

Nah, gotta go with the black one.  Controband.....black market.....see what I've done?

For some reason GNR has never made me want to pick up an instrument.. actually the only band that's made me go "oh my god this stuff is so incredible I must learn to play this" is Opeth.

the thing that upset me most in 2004 was the Slash and Duff's lawsuit against Axl...
so I voted 'other'

along with thier low down dirty criminal accusations of Axl they have taken every opportunity to talk shit about Axl - such as:

Duff discrediting Axl's contribution to GN'R - not once, not twice, but on THREE seperate occasions
1)  "We wrote the music without Axl"
2) "Axl never wrote any of the music" - followed by a weak retraction with a comment that Axl wrote My World  ::)
3) "The band wrote the music... Axl just came in at the end"

Sash's continued talking shit about Axl while feebly attempting to maintain the charade that he doesn't have any hard feelings...

Very dissapointing  :no:

Who's seen GNR more than 10 times???

Damn I want to know.

Good poll this week Jarmo!

Together with Nirvana (unplugged in NY and Lies) they were the reason I started playing acoustic guitar.

Nice work and I agree - When i hear a new song that i really love - all I want to do is play it and play it and play it but after a few days it gets old and I never want to hear it agian - So I just save myself and don't put it on Replay, listen to some other bands and flip through different songs!!  : ok:

Ummm......Actually that's pretty much true.  You don't bring a singer in until you've got some music for him to listen to.  Then he comes up with vocal lines and what have you.

i voted the 02' Knockin' version in this weeks poll, the 02' version lacked at first but then i checked it after afew days n' its tied with the Illusion verion 36% :o

Love 02; version :drool: :drool:  gives mee goosbumps :smoking:

You're forgetting the part where the new stuff can't hold a candle to the old stuff.

I voted "NO" in the "Do you think Chinese Democracy is coming this spring like Slash said?" poll because I think that Slash knows as much about when CD is coming out as .... as ... as I do!!! ... which is absolutely ZERO!!!

I'm NOT saying that CD won't be out soon.? All I'm saying is that me and Slash have no "inside info".? :no:

I voted "NO" in the "Are you planning on attending any of GN'R's European summer shows?" poll because (1) I can't afford it and (2) I'm afraid of flying.? :'(

I hope Axl will take into consideration the other 99% of us GNR fans who for whatever reasons can't go to these shows and maybe release a single or two or maybe even release all the CD songs that they'll be performing live.? :yes:

You could do two things:

-realize that Axl and the band were seperated at UYI times, he wrote lyrics but the band did technically write most of the music without his direct influence with exception to him saying the styles he wanted.

-Notice that Slash speaks very positively about Axl many times. He is excited about the new material, and watch the Behind the Music, he never directly slams Axl. Slash has been very fair and will tell you he doesn't hate Axl at all.

If they start touring before the album comes out they do not have enough material to play. And HOW can you go to a GNR concert without at least hearing WTTJ and SCOM... at least! I would like to see them play a set list somewhat like this.

1. Intro
2. Welcome to the Jungle
3. The Blues
4. I.R.S
5. Better
6. Civil War (Fits in w/ whats going on in the world today)
7. Catcher In The Rye
8. Sweet Child of Mine
9. Chinese Democracy
10. Madagascar
11. There Was A Time
12. Riyadh And The Bedouins
13. Estranged

Something like that would be cool. But I don't think they will play shows without playing new material. I would love to hear Civil War by the new band.

Just my opinion.

NorthwindNS

ill make my opinion clear lol!!!the old songs belong in the past, with the old band!!the old stuff is played diffrentley anyway, which IMO isnt as good!!id say leave the old stuff and let it be what it is, great 80's erly 90's pure rock music!!!and for gods sake axl, drop the guns name, it aint guns anymore its axl and friends

I can't stand people who sing along! I can't.
I tried, but I really can't.

Yup. Personally I think PC is played out a as show closer. Problem is I don't think Gn'R have ever written a good closer for  cncerts. Even Paradise City isn't that great to close shows in my opinion but it is the best one they've got. Too bad it's been done to death.

I don't know how you define a good show closer but Paradise City is the best show closeer ever written by any band. Check out the Tokyo DVD's. It saved that gig. It's only done to death if you've been to more than a few GNR gigs or if you collect bootlegs, which most fans don't.

old band, new band doesnt matter, paradise city is the only way to end a show...

Only 3% of the people who have voted think that GNR will play new tracks this NA Tour!?  :confused:

Then again.. I guess... if you base the future off the past... it DOES make sense  :hihi:.

Personally I voted yes. The band themselves said that new songs were going to be worked into the set.

I voted NO.  I don't like all these dates being shuffled around and with no news on a single or the album.

nobody's posted in this thread for a while, but i HAVE to know... who the hell actually picked bumblefoot joining the band as the highlight of 06  over the tour or hell even the new songs... dude and the release date!

he's awesome and all but damn... think of all the other shit that happened too.

Somebody spammed the vote. I'm almost sure. Lame of them too.

ah... seriously? there's so many funnier things to spam out there.

but that gives me some comfort - sensible people do exsist.