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“something special”

Isn't the date on the thing January 24th?  (1.24.24)

If it's just a vid for the General ...anti climax. Hopefully it is something special though.

spe·cial
/ˈspeSH(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: special

    better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual.


Can a music video be special? Yes it can.



/jarmo

My bad, the American date format got the better of this English fellow.

it smells like Midjourney spirit

lol

You must be joking

Unless it's a music video like Estraned (which is highly unlikely, not to say impossible), there's no other kind of video that would make it special.

Perhaps it's just another video made of live montages, and they'll sell it as special.

The sad thing is some people here will buy it.

Looks like that’s AI animation.

Oh cool, I like their animated stuff.   :D

it's probably something we would have to buy  :hihi:. But for real look forward to seeing whatever it is. And ill probably buy it lol

I would like to time travel back to this forum between 1996 and 2001 and tell people here that one day they will scoff at the idea of a brand new GNR video for a brand new GNR song.  I wouldn’t even get the chance to tell them Slash and Duff were in the band before they laughed me off the board.

Needless to say , really looking forward to the 24th. 

I'm kind of surprised we're still here and have grown.  Can't say we didn't stand by this band.   :D

You clearly don't understand the meaning of the word.

"Different from what is usual". If GN'R has not made a similar video in the past, it's different isn't it? Which is the definition of special.


The sad thing is that people don't have attention spans to watch a 20 second clip and jump to conclusions.





It seems like it all relates to how fast people forget. They must have forgotten that three years ago GN'R had released Shadow Of Your Love. No other singles. And here we are, some being upset that the band is releasing music videos...  :hihi:




/jarmo

Please don't speak on my behalf. I'm certainly not upset GnR are releasing videos. It's good. I like Perhaps, as a song and thought it was good there was a video to accompany it. Was it special...? No. Good not special. The General is pretty poor ( my opinion granted). Do we need a video for a not great B side, I dunno.? And look il say it again if it's a cool vid then great.

I was speaking in general. I've seen the comments. The band is on a break after touring between 2016 and 2023. Slash is going on tour in a week and yet some are expecting a major album and/or tour announcement.





/jarmo

Ah. So you're saying we shouldn't expect anything ?

You shouldn't. But at the same time you have to shoot fireworks when they do something other bands do regularly; and when i say "they" i'm not necessarily referring to the band, I'm talking about people surrounding them. Because apart from touring, the band do very little if not nothing at all so yes, don't hold your breath and fart regularly if you dont want to explode  :rofl: :rofl:

An announcement such as "Get ready for something F'N' special...1.24.24", has me expecting something above "just the release of The General Official Video".

BUT, I will not be disappointed if that's all it will be.

I'll take it. It will be an act of progression, of forward thinking. A sign that the band has decided to keep the momentum going generated by the fans of Old (I & fellow Gen-xers), and New (plenty of youngins) following this band.

My hope is that the video ends with an announcement of a Springish (4-24-24 would be Super Cool) Release of an Album.....

ATLAS SHRUGGED
Quick Song/Dragon (whatever the title may be by now).
Hard Skool
Absurd
Perhaps
The General
Monsters
Atlas Shrugged
Eye On You
Oklahoma/Berlin (whatever the title may be by now).
State of Grace
Seven
Goodbye (IF this song actually exists)

A release of state of grace would be awesome. The general is lame, and a video for that song ? fuck that. We should've had proper videos for CD.

The band has released multiple singles in recent years. Compare that to 1995-1998, 2000-2007 etc....

Or maybe it's easy to forget history when you're constantly unhappy about something?  :P




/jarmo

With respect to the opinions of others, The General & Perhaps are my favorite GN'R songs since Better, RIAD, IRS, TIL, & Prostitute. I'd add Monsters & SOG in there, but they're irrelevant until they are released.


Therefore, Super Cool in My World, that I get videos for Perhaps & TG.

I’m not unhappy, I’m trying to be helpful to other people, stating facts: publishing already written and recorded songs needs 0 effort or close to 0, at the end of the day is their job. They don’t make video in which they act, they use live videos and now cartoons. 0 effort again. So if he’s waiting for something really ‘new’ (like new music fully written by the holy trinity)I think he’s going to wait for a long long time. There are plenty of artists making a shitload of music out there, I don’t think he should die waiting for something is not going to happen, just this.

LOL. You can't have the cake and eat it too. It seems like you think these things appear out of nothing. The band does nothing by releasing songs and videos.

That's funny. On one hand we have some commenting on how the band doesn't release enough new songs and now we have you saying it takes zero effort.


You think they aren't involved in the music after the finished recording it?

Correct me if this is wrong, since you seem to think you are 100% sure about how GN'R works:

Song is created, song is recorded, song is mixed, song is mastered, song is released, song is rehearsed, song is performed live, live performances are filmed, live performances are edited into video, video is released.

Which parts have 0 effort from the band?




/jarmo

I'm old enough to know that you don't need 7/8 years to do that :rofl: :rofl: They are musician, if they do something other musicians do basically in 1 year or even less, well, the effort is factually close to 0. And I'm old enough to know that the older you get the less you do, so knowing the history of this band it's easy to understand what they are doing. If there is not even a super small hint that they are recording something new, they are not doing that. Slash and duff have been super very talkative in that sense. And if they don't say anything, well, it's easy math.

Again, if they'll ever put out an album it's gonna be CD 2 with a couple of "new songs". Don't tell me this will be a big effort either after, hopefully, 10 years since the reunion. At that point i can figure out some guy telling us "oh the guys are almost 70, they need some rest  :rofl: we can't expect new music soon".

I know I may sound too much sarcastic sometimes (or even all the times) but what i really want to say is that They are allowed to act this way (and i'm allowed to have my thoughts about that too, even using the "i know everything" approach), I'm not holding my breath and I'm telling people to do the same. There's a lot of great music out there to listen to in the waitin. I'll be happy to take it all back one day, i bet it won't be soon and to me it's pretty sad, it's unbelievable how they lost the global excitement for the reunion. 7 years its a fuckin long time.

Seems like you're not wise enough to realize that people are different. What you do in a week, someone else might do in a month. And in the end, what the other person did might be better quality than what you managed.

You can make instant noodles in minutes, or prepare a proper meal for hours or days. You're obviously happy with the first. Some prefer the latter. There's no "right way" or "wrong way", it's about personal preferences.

If you were old enough, you would know this!  :D





/jarmo

Sure, but as much as i am lazy af too i know there is a thing called "reasonable time" and we are way, way, way past that. It's not gettin better. Frankly i think they should communicate at least their intentions once in their lifetime, "scripta manent verba volant" but we are even lacking words here. I know they (Axl) don't want any kind of pressure in doing things etc but if they're gettin older we are getting older too...all these lack of communication, of not knowing things etc. that's the most annoying thing now more than ever .And then you should get excited for something that should be the norm? Nah. Nevermind, whatever. :beer:

Again, "reasonable time" is all about personal preferences. There is no fucking law or rule that states you need to release X number of albums in Y years. Unless you have agreed so with a record company for example.

The only thing you compare to is other artists who might release an album every other year.


They are smart enough to know what happens when they speak about their plans.



/jarmo

No one tell ITARocker about Brian Wilson's Smile. "Reasonable time."

But, but....





/jarmo

Did we get an ETA on this?

I understand the meaning. I'm just able to apply its meaning to different scenarios, that's the advantage of being able to think for yourself. Then again, I'm not on the band's payroll, so...

You had to literally look up the meaning of the word in the dictionary and post it here, so you could convice yourself and others that this is, in fact, "special".

The sad part is you don't realize how pathetic that is. Maybe you should look that one up on the dictionary as well.

Some possible ideas for what it could be. full live show release, New Song release, Or another big box set release as long as it isn't clothing related lol.

Video of The General and Monsters included I hope.

I would be very surprised if it was anything else than a video for The General.

I think I would go in to a state of shock if it was anything other than that.

Why is it that people like yourself assume that someone with a differing opinion can't think for themself? Please explain this to me. It's such a lame fucking excuse to try to "win" an argument. Not that winning arguments really matter. I guess it matters to some because they need to use this excuse as some kind of ace card. LOL.


It's special for GN'R because they have not done anything like it before! How much more special should it be? 10% more? 150% more? It's special in the same way playing ten stadium shows on the same tour leg in Brazil is special.


I know what pathetic is. Thank you very much. I encounter it daily online.  : ok:





/jarmo

I'm not trying to win the argument, and I'm sure you're entitled to your opinion. The thing that bothers me is you, and other on this board, confuse supporting the band with supporting anything they do no matter what.

I don't post here a lot, but I've been following the discussions here for quite some time and I'm sure I've NEVER seen any glimpse of criticism whatsoever coming from you for nothing this band has ever done.

Sometimes it's healthy and necessary to have critical sense WHILE still supporting the band. It's possible to walk and chew gum at the same time. There's nothing wrong with it.

It's pretty fucking stupid to have to explain to people that OFF COURSE this "special" announcement would generate a hype that's more than the possibility of just another video. If anything this is just terrible marketing.

Listen, I support the band, I like ChiDem, I have gone to shows when it was just Axl and also with this new incarnation, and they were all awesome. But it baffles me how some people fail to realize that apart from succesfull tours and some mediocre songs, this band hasn't produced anything artistically worth of notice in the last 8 years

But anyway, you'll say again that the band doesn't owe us anything, we should live our lives regardless of what they do and blablabla. And you're probably right. This behavior certainly has done you good.

 :peace:

Maybe the problem is the fact that people assume too much? I mean, a short video clip is supposed to mean a new album is coming tomorrow? That's the logical guess/assumption?

Sometimes it's wishful thinking, sometimes it's just unrealistic. They used the word special to describe something unique that they haven't done before. Some got upset because it's not the special thing they had dreamed up.




Yeah. I'm not the one upset because something special was called special and isn't as special as my own special definition of what special should be, relating to the special band GN'R and their special unique way of just being pretty special.




/jarmo

Any idea when and where I should follow what's happening?

Don't they usually post/announce things when it's morning in LA and lunch time in NYC?




/jarmo

Yes usually after 9am here on the east coast anything goes.  I would expect this to drop anytime between now and 12pm EST. Its also fairly common for announcements and releases to happen at 12P which lines up with 9A on the west coast.  

Thanks, I'm in Eastern Europe, that's why I'm asking. Cordinating the time difference  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0_OFC10hTE






/jarmo

https://fb.watch/pM-gjJNJMp/?mibextid=Nif5oz (https://fb.watch/pM-gjJNJMp/?mibextid=Nif5oz)  :peace:

Just watched it once and thought it was pretty interesting.  Would like to hear the creator's interpretation of it.  But here's what I'm getting out of it.

Like the colors, like the color of bruises and dark thoughts.  Like how it takes the real adult and animates them back into childhood, the nice kid and the wicked kid.  Real time becomes viewed with things from nightmares.  The fast pace of it is good, like flashing thoughts.  The animated characters are still most of the time like all this is happening around them and they are powerless to control what's going on.

Just my initial thoughts.

I don’t want to say anything too negative about it because I think the response to that usually is to do nothing rather than do better.
 Edit AI art kind of sucks but it’s cheap, also they have 2 performances of this song live, why not use that footage?

Here's a comment from Creative Works:  https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2fabXgsxVO/?igsh=MWt5N2E0cDZ3aWpuZw%3D%3D

What do they mean by AI-rendered content?  What is that exactly?

Haters gonna hate
And actually I don't understand why.

It might be AI but it's not bad at all according to be.
(matter of taste)
There is alittle story in it
There is live footage
I like the morphing

And all members are in it....

It's a good band video
And there even might be a part 2when Monsters will be released (or not)

I don't care if I ever see it again.  It's cool but you could play any song under it and have the same effect.  Gone are the days of Making F@*!ing Videos.

Like I said only watched it once.  Didn't see a reference to sexual abuse or really any source of child abuse.  Don't think this is Axl's way of telling his story but more of the bigger picture of what it's like to walk around a victim from childhood experiences.  It should have been all pink and teddy bears.

Is it just me or is the "story" in this video super-vague? Sort of know the meaning of the song when listening to the lyrics, but don't quite see the connection with the visuals in the video.

Oh wow, I could not watch that. The editing was too quick and all over the place. But maybe I'm just old. I can't play today's video games, either. Haha.
It wasn't for me but I'm glad they did something for the fans and I do like the song, so I don't want anyone to think I'm hating on it. 

I like what Creative Works London has done in terms of visuals for the live show. It would be great to see them released as secondary "music videos" on the GNR YouTube channel.

"Never really took the time to forget."  Problem is you never forget childhood memories.  It's all those lines after "Don't know what to tell you now."  The video shows adults haven't forgot and get dragged back to those feelings at the most unexpected times.

I'm going to relate to it differently then you will but it's not black and white.  It's a very confusing world you're looking at as it is with an abused child.  I see multiple meanings, as an abused child has multiple feelings about what happen, all at the same time.  The mixture of the innocent child feeling they did something wrong, wanting love and the feelings of hate, wanting to get back at them.  And then what all that makes you think about yourself.

I had to laugh a little wondering what AI thought of all this data.  It came out all mixed up, fast paced and confusing and that's exactly right.  

It's different than a live clip or lyric video (which they already did). Also. it won't necessary "fit" the theme of the song. Maybe the band wanted a more visual video this time? Why isn't November Rain just a live video?


On one hand, if they had released a live clip, you'd have the same people commenting about how it's another live clip. At least now they can focus on how cheap the AI is! Something different!



/jarmo

I just had four fucking seizures watching that.

Aside from the kid morphing into Axl towards the end it seems pretty random. This whole "AI" (which is a massive misnomer) craze will come to a screeching halt soon, and the style isn't for me, but points for effort. They at least went out on a limb. I do hope Monsters gets this strong of a push (or stronger) as it's a far better song with serious potential as a single. The General has felt more personal since we first heard it and I'm actually shocked it even got a video.

Has it been taken down? Or not available in UK. Says this video is not available when I go on the link.

It worked if I watched it within X but not if I opened YouTube. Strange.

The video makes me like the song more, which I wasn't all that crazy about when it first dropped a few months back. Definitely an interesting video, pretty cool stuff .

If you want to show your buddies what our favorite band has been up to...show them the 'Perhaps' video.

Or...show them this and listen to all the same Chinese Democracy jokes we had to put up with for like, 10 years.

Guarantee all the bad-mouthers are the ones who shouted the loudest for the Better video.

I thought the Perhaps video was great, I’ve seen other bands do the AI art thing and it’s just frustrating to watch

yeah, well, I won't comment that one.

still an awesome song.

Surely another live video would have been boring. But making "something different" for the sake of it always lead to random results, and this is frankly horrible. Perhaps it's done to wink at the very new generations but the result is still poor.

To me, an old-fashioned cartoon (maybe in manga style or something like that) related to the theme of the song would have been more special. Maybe with some slash's hints for it...

This actually may be more of a Slash influenced thing.  You saw where he's involved in a new comic and he was the one behind the pinball machine.  I know management is credited but this feels like a Slash creation.

Different song, different lyrical content, different message, different vision etc. It's not that weird.

Not the first time they're using visual effects in their videos.



/jarmo

I think it's ok, it has some cool moments, but I don't really feel the need to watch it again (and I've watched the Perhaps video at least 20 times). I understand that there might have been some delays in the creation of the video, but releasing it almost two months after the song is pretty pointless. But the song is great, is has really grown on me.

First watch, it was alot, just a fast moving sequence of colour and light lol

Second watch, I actually think it's really interesting. I am around victims of abuse, my mum was abused when she was younger. There's not a storyboard per se, it's like a dream sequence. You can see adults being portrayed as monsters, childhood items being demonised, sequences filled with faces and depictions of forgotten memories. All this is common with abuse victims. Sometimes when people are very young and bad things are happening, they know something is wrong but do not have the capacity to understand. Quite often, they put all their love into objects like teddies, blankets or toys, but when they are taken away or destroyed, that is the thing they remember as adults. Everything else is a blur.
 
Oh well, that's my take anyway

This doesn’t look like Slash’s taste to me, the Absurd video looked like Slash’s taste, I’d imagine the imagery on his world on fire album cover to me more up his street.

Anyways who cares about the video, the song is fuckin great 👍

People are taking about the song again.




/jarmo

Yeah. If you look at Instagram and YouTube, all you see is people talking about the song again. Nothing but praise.  :P

Wow I love this video.

Reminds me of the days I and my brother used to roam the streets of NYC while my parents pissed away our lower middle class family income on Scientology courses. I was 9, he was 7.

I'm a survivor of abuse from my very own version of a general.....my unloving father. I ran away from home right after I turned 16 and stayed away. Guns N' Roses helped me through my years of finding personal self-worth and strength. I get chills when Axl sings this song.

I'm gonna have my kids watch this video. My daughter is 13, my twin boys are 10. I'm curious to see what they think. I'll pop back in here and add their opinions.


Edited to add....
FAMILY REVIEW:
My wife said the video was "really cool" and picked up lots of symbolism. She was with me at Hammerstein Ballroom that first night Guns returned to the stage after the Philly Riot in '02. We also saw them at MSG in '06, Camden NJ in 2011, and in 2016 at Lincoln Financial in Philly for the return of Slash & Duff. She's a Guns fan through and through.

My 13 year old daughter surprised me. She likes the song and thought the video was really cool. Her music tastes are country and likes bands like Surfaces & Caamp. She really digs a playlist I have on Spotify I titled "MrMojoRa Radio".

My twin boys liked the video and the song but not as much as my daughter, which surprised me.

I myself picked up some symbolism throughout the video that I hadn't the first time i watched it. Especially that last shot of Axl and the bloody tears pouring out of his eyes. Fuckin' Powerful!

This is one I'll watch again........and again......and again.

So there you have it.....one man's opinion. Worth no more, no less than any other.

i got arcane from netflix based on the league of legends vibe with those graphics. I actually do think the video enhances the song for me its still a growing period for me on the song no pun intended in General lol.

Behind the General...meet the double agent.

MONSTERS?

Some background: https://decrypt.co/215062/how-guns-n-roses-used-ai-create-wild-new-music-video-general





/jarmo

Holy shit!