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https://deadline.com/2023/11/axl-rose-sexual-assault-lawsuit-1989-1235634655/

Yikes. I hope it's not true, but if we're being honest, it's not like it isn't plausible given Axl's temperament back then.

Agreed, before many years of therapy he wasn't known for his even keeled temperament.

For those looking for the Cliffs notes, these are old allegations that have made the rounds several times. However New York removed the statute of limitations on civil lawsuits over sexual assault. This was filed days before that exemption expires.

She even wrote a book that included details of her allegations.

Other people were allegedly present for at least part of her claims which should make them easier to confirm/deny.

She was interviewed in a BBC documentary in 2021 and said the following:

"We start like having sex. It was consented. I allowed it to happen and it was okay and he was fine."

"I didn't consider it rape. It was consensual. That's why i didn't go to the police."

There were several suits similar to this filed today against multiple celebrities.

Any on Trump? 

Axl denies it.  https://www.tmz.com/2023/11/22/axl-rose-denies-sexual-assault-claim-penthouse-model-lawsuit/

That's a pretty quick response.  They must have tried for a settlement before they brought the suit.

Nope, there was one on Steven Tyler and Ahmet Ertegun who isn't even alive anymore..

Old story she told already years ago

If she said it was consensual before, on camera, and then is changing her story to beat the deadline and cash in, I have a hard time believing this goes very far. 2021 was full "me too" era so she'd have no reason to lie. She would have had an army at her back.

Do you have a link for the documentary?

These types of allegations can be so unfair.
The defendant has his name and reputation ruined, and can’t mount a defense as all the evidence is lost to the decades. So it’s basically one person’s word against another in an atmosphere in the press of “believe ALL victims no matter what.” Even when lawsuits fail or criminal charges are exonerated, the damage is still done.
This feels more like someone trying to get a settlement.

Steven Tyler, really doesn't remember.   :hihi:  Did you see him on Two and a Half Men?

Whatever happens with this, I don't believe Axl is the same guy he was back then.

Go to 56 minutes and 9 seconds:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpIV9VrP6DY

"It was consensual"

case closed.


weird defense anyway

Here is what is wrong with the world today because now if you question the woman's stance your a victim blamer and question her motives which is not necessarily wrong because to many situations now have proven people are looking for a payout. Look at what just happened with Diddy you get all these allegations and next day oh its handled. So then you understand why its hard for women to come forward with an assault because they get questioned typically more then the one they are accusing. Im sure based on Axl's history especially at that time in his life when you hear the stories from Erin Everly's and Stephanie Seymour's of the world that im sure whatever the relationship was could have been volatile at best but doesn't mean he forced her to do anything.

I hear ya.  As a woman, you feel like you can't publicity question her actions when you're sitting there asking yourself where's the personal responsibility?  Children can't protect themselves, adults can.  There's plenty of opportunities in her story where she could have walked away.  Started with the kind of party she was at.

Axl, as you say, at that time in his life, it's believable on some level.  And god damn it, the past is never far behind.  Like her, she can't let it go and now, probably when he wasn't prepared, it's come up again.  I don't think a lawsuit is going to settle it for either of them.  And to make matters worse, public opinion has been brought into it.

While I doubt the allegations, I do wonder if the song Pretty Tied Up will be entered into evidence.

The fact that she comes out 34 years later the day that the statue of limitations expires makes it hard for me to believe her. Also she is on camera saying she consented.

Millions of women suffer physical, sexual and psychological abuse by their husbands, boyfriends, employers, relatives. These cash grab cases that emerged in the recent years will make people more skeptical when victims report abuse in the future. I wish the public would be as interested in the pain that women have to go through everyday behind close doors as they are in these type of "scandals". >:(

The sex was consensual, not the anal.

"Case closed".

The deliberate obtuseness of many comments in here is disturbing.

Izzy wrote that, and that part of the song, pretty tied up was about a madamme working as a domicatrice

Coincidentally there's more 2 about against Diddy.

On her book she says that " weirdly enough" she was OK with it ( the anal sex). There are discrepancies between her initial story and what she reports in the lawsuit.

Do you have the book? I can only find a short quote out of context, that does not refer to what she was okay with, at all

Regardless, even if she was okay with it at one point in time, that doesn't make it not assault.

Interesting to hear her talk about it. It certainly sounds like it did affect her negatively and maybe she tried to let herself believe it was ok or not a big deal for all these years. But unfortunately the timing of the lawsuit makes it seem like a last minute money grab.

But yet she ironically files these charges the last day before statue of limitations expires im sorry it sucks that society has come to this but she should have come forward a long time ago. Hell the whole stephanie seymour situation happened not long after this supposedly happened that would have been a perfect time to come out with this to support what stephanie was claiming but no. You can't use poor life decisions by hanging around rock stars and 30 plus years later claim assault and not have it come into question.

No, someone posted the excerpt here https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/226376-axl-sued-for-sexual-assault/page/2/
I'm not saying that her story is entirely fictional, but the timeline and the discrepancies on her descriptions make me very suspicious that it is all about money.
Having experienced abuse myself it is true that sometimes it takes time for everything to sink in and talk openly about it but...34 years? On the day that the statue of limitations expire? Just because I m a woman I m not going to defend any female "victim" , especially under such circumstances.

I still want to find some closure with this for the alleged abuser and alleged victim.  The two of them know the truth.  What do they want to do about it?  Lawyers and legal issues aside, what puts some closure between them?  Not saying what happen won't be an issue for both of them going forward but what can they do to get things thing between them to a place where they can forgive each other and themselves?

Don't know the guy but that sounds about right.  He settled the first one.  I like that approach, not admitting any quilt, but putting an end to it.

I always find the answer in music and a little twisting to the meaning to suit my needs.  This one works.  I can explain it but folks need to find their own answers, not mine.

If all you got to live for is what you left behind
Take yourself a powder charge and seal that silver mine
Lost my boots in transit, babe, a pile of smoking leather
I nailed a retread to my feet and prayed for better weather

Half-step, Mississippi uptown toodleloo
Hello baby, I'm gone, goodbye

So I have a solution.  Something happen here.  Money ain't going to help either one to make this go away.  Frankly, it just makes her look like a whore for taking a large sum of cash for services rendered if you know what I mean.  How about an agreement a donation needs to be made to a sexual abuse victims fund?  Axl pays and she lets the money go to where it can help the issue this is all about.  Kind of like what the judge did for the Riverport riot.  A win for everybody, feel like something has been done in the right direction when you can't change the past.

I'm liking that solution.  Axl has to pay but it's probably money going in the direction of donations he's already making or has in his will.  And if there's a little less in Fernando's inheritance in the end, there's another thread around here that justifies that.  He gets a little salvation, maybe not what he was looking for, in the process too.

Can someone explain why it would matter when she comes forward? Of course a lot of allegations are going to be published the day before it expires, because people will be scrambling to get all their legal ducks in a row, and building a case takes time. You have no idea why she didn't come forward before, so what makes you think you can say there's no reason why she couldn't have?

"Poor life decisions"? WTF is wrong with you?

You're going to take this the wrong way.  And initially I was going to respond the wrong way.  You've made a good life decision, leave it at that.

But how refreshing was that comment?  Some of you folks know, from experience or were smart enough not to go there, exactly what poor life decisions mean in this case.  Not to turn this into a group therapy session but did you think everybody did this sort of thing for partying and it was normal?   :hihi:  Keep that answer to yourself.  You get talking and say shit you regret later.  Don't judge me, I could be one of those in the smart group.   :hihi:

Hold on, I could have misjudged this guy too.  Could be part of that group that needs to sober up.   ???

Yes Extremely poor life choices so she is a model thinking like alot of others I want to experience the rock star lifestyle.  Take your head out of your A#$ if you think this nothing more then a money grab your in denial. You had the METOO movement where she could have come forward Or as i previously said when Stephanie Seymour made claims. I would love to believe that people who come forward with sexual assault claims are telling the truth but as has been proven thats not always the case and because we live in a world of guilty until proven innocent I have a big issue with these.

Mods, hello?

Wanting to be a model and hang out with famous people is not a "poor life decision". There is nothing wrong with that. The only poor decision here was Axl's decision to get fucked up when he knew he had anger issues.

You want to make all the excuses in the world why the person who behaved badly shouldn't take personal responsibility. Textbook narcissist logic.

She could not have made these charges during MeToo, because the statute of limitations was CLOSED at that time. Speaking of having heads buried in dark places...

Funny how y'all who whine and complain about "guilty until proven innocent" always seem to declare the accuser guilty of lying/gold-digging until proven innocent...

Are you that triggered by me saying take your head out of your you know what. Its not me offending you its me telling you to open your eyes. You just had that girl a couple of months ago who claims she was kidnapped while seeing a baby on the side of the road you had an entire country looking for this person all for it to be a hoax. You just had Diddy pay off a woman because he doesn't want to deal with the optics of a long drawn out court battle and who knows what stories could come out from a case like that. When it comes to this and AXL I choose to believe him until proven otherwise. If he didn't do this I hope he fights it to the end don't give this person a dime. If you do settle this out of court then that will always leave the question of what happened.

Exposing your lack of personal responsibility and immaturity yet again. Leave the personal insults to the grade schoolers, you should know better. Talk about "poor life choices"...

Cool story, bro. Let me guess, you also think Jussie Smollett makes it okay to assume all racial incidents are hoaxes until proven otherwise. At least you're honest about your "guilty until proven innocent" attitude.

This forum needs a block feature.

I'd suggest Jarmo lock this topic for the time being. I know that'll end in accusations of him protecting the band, but some people are not capable of discussing the topic without becoming emotional, and the bottom line is, we probably won't ever know if she's telling the truth or not. The burden of proof in civil cases is significantly lower than in criminal matters, so even the outcome (should this make it to trial) is unlikely to sway opinions of people who have already made up their mind.

That said, it's sadly predictable that temporarily waving the statute of limitations resulted in a flood of last-minute lawsuits, despite there being advance warning of when the window would close.

My stance is if Axl truly feels he is innocent of these claims then he should fight it tooth and nail don't give this person a dime. If he decides to Settle out of court which i think most Celebrities find the lesser of 2 evils then it will put into question did he or didn't he. But he is Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and should be treated as such.

Axl Rose has filed a motion to dismiss a sexual assault lawsuit against him.

The Guns N' Roses rocker was sued in November by model Sheila Kennedy, who accused him of sexually assaulting her in a New York City hotel room in 1989.

Rose's legal team have now submitted court documents in an effort to get her case thrown out.

"Kennedy cannot and will not succeed in this unscrupulous attempt at a financial windfall. This lawsuit will lay bare the falsity of these vexatious and meritless allegations," their filing reads, according to People.

In the documents, the 62-year-old's lawyers pointed out that Kennedy described the alleged incident as "consensual sex" in her 2016 memoir No One's Pet. They also argued that she said she "did not consider it rape. It was consensual" in the 2021 documentary Look Away.

They claimed that the former Penthouse pin-up realised she "could profit from claiming that the incident had not in fact been consensual" via New York's Adult Survivors Act, a one-year window that extended the statute of limitations for allegations of sexual misconduct.

In her lawsuit, Kennedy, now 61, claimed Rose "violently" sexually assaulted her in his hotel suite after meeting in a nightclub.

His lawyer denied the allegation back in November.

"Simply put, this incident never happened. Notably, these fictional claims were filed the day before the New York State filing deadline expires," attorney Alan S. Gutman said. "Mr. Rose is confident this case will be resolved in his favour."


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/axl-rose-files-dismiss-sexual-092534969.html




/jarmo

Unintended consequences. This is what happens you try to weaponize the courts against political rivals. Other people get caught in the wake. I hope Axl’s lawyers kick her’s to the curb.

Amen! As a woman this kind of thing sickens me! No way in hell I would attempt this kind of action. EVEN IF, it happened as a woman I would have gone to the police or never mentioned it again. Nothing but her word against his.

Anyone have an update on this?

They are still working through Axls motion to dismiss.

Filings were due (and submitted) in May.  Most of them pertain to arguments surrounding Axl's claims of failure to properly serve him legal documents (but not entirely around that).

There's a compliance hearing in late September before the judge.  Probably going over some of the material submitted and to make sure everyone's ready for the actual court date for the motion to dismiss.

Then they have a court date in late October (October 22nd) for the judge to actually hear and possibly rule on the motion to dismiss.

Here's the trellis link:

https://trellis.law/case/36061/952264-2023/kennedy-sheila-v-rose-w-axl

Reported over at MyGNR:  Kennedy's  lawsuit is over. The attorneys filed to discontinue the action with prejudice meaning Kennedy cannot file it again. It was filed with the court Tues Nov 19th.

GOOD!

That's a situation November Rain could be played to.