Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Found this over at MyGNR.  Wow GNR are sponsoring a fast car!  :D  #43

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Didn’t see that coming. Wondering if this is a part of a potential big announcement? Guess I might watch for a few minutes just to see the car. Ha!

Watching noisy cars go round in circles is not my thing.  I'm more of the demolition derby type but this is still cool.  GNR has a fast car!

I'd watch if they were actually still stock cars.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1625640769867419655

Good looking car with Guns N Roses running down its side.

You must be super old if you remember watching stock cars.  They haven't been stock in 50 years.

Chrysler had the last stock car back in the 70's if I remember correctly.  Took a while but evolution happen and they were completely gone by the turn of the century.  Yes I'm super old.  Motorcycles have a similar history.  When do you think we'll see the first electric car in these races?

It's sad you go down that list of sponsors and see how many car related companies are missing.  None of the big oil or tire companies.  It's not about the cars any more.

Guess Axl isn't "mad at NASCAR" anymore

Joe Gibbs is already using an electric car for pit stop practices.  I believe we will see hybrid before the end of the decade and electric by the mid 30's.  Hopefully sooner.

I really want the whole scoop on how this went down and why.  You don't drop a million dollars for a sponsorship for nothing.

I think I really want some merchandise.   :hihi:  I need a hot wheels car that looks like that.  And maybe a t-shirt.

This will be fun following this car all summer.  Checked out our driver, "that Jones Boy".  He looks a little clean cut for GNR but he use to race trucks.   8)  And Richard Petty is in the owners group.  You don't get much more race car then that.  Looking forward to this.

Far as I know it's only for one race, the 500.

Noooo.  Do it all summer, this could be fun following the GNR car. 

I was reading if the car wins they put it up on a pedicle for a year.  I'm thinking if he's see the checkered flag, down shift and let some other fucker fly by and put his car up on blocks for the season.

Darn I hope they run it all season. 

Oh no, that was before my time. I'm just a car guy who would be interested to watch actual competition between cars that anyone can buy being pushed to their limits.

Erik Jones on Having Guns N' Roses on the No. 43 Car  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8mActAe-L4&t=234s





/jarmo

I was at the end of that time.  I miss watching guys tinker with their cars.  Talk of what they wanted to buy to sup that car up.  Hanging out in the garage.  Didn't understand what they were talking about but it was still fun handing them tools, rebuilding carburetors, pumping up the brakes.  I rarely try to work on a car now, think about it but there's nobody to talk it through with so off to the shop it goes.

He seems thrilled and star struck to be carrying the GNR tag.  Still, a little clean cut for GNR but he drives a fast car.  How many band members do you think we can squeeze in that car with him?  They want to hang with him.  :D

OK so I don't know anything about car racing, can someone explain to me what's the point for GNR to sponsor a car?

just for fun because Axl is a fan? for business for whatever reason?

I'm assuming it's the same reason why anyone would want their logo on someone else's clothing, mode of transport etc.

Promotion.

This deal already generated attention for GN'R, the team and driver. The car will be seen on TV during the race weekend.




/jarmo

What are your thoughts Jarmo? Seems a bit out of the blue for GnR to do this. Could it be a prelude to some other happenings for the band?

It's a different way to promote the band for sure.

Creates buzz. So that's cool.


I would assume so. I'm not sure what people expect it to mean.





/jarmo

thanks, so, they have something to promote...

Got this from over at MyGNR

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That's a lot of detail if it's just a one time thing.

The new leg of the "whole lifetime tour", indeed  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

https://twitter.com/LegacyMotorclub/status/1626260352236244992/photo/2



Daytona 500 starting lineup

1.    #48 - Alex Bowman
2.    #5 - Kyle Larson
3.    #22 - Joey Logano

25. #43 - Erik Jones





/jarmo

 :hihi:

seriously, if it's the case, I wonder why they need to pay good money to announce they're touring, it doesn't make any sense to me.

Maybe they didn't pay for it then.  Maybe a promoter flipped the bill for ticket sales and it's a one time shot.  I hope not.  Beautiful car.

Every team has multiple cars for use during the season.  So yes, the winning car does stay at Daytona all year, but they have 10 more back at the shop. 

If my guy doesn't win, I'll pull for the Jones boy.

https://twitter.com/Erik_Jones/status/1626769305332318208





/jarmo

Here's where you can get the model car.  https://www.lionelracing.com/drivername/Erik-Jones

Just skip over that first row.  :o  There's a cheap one.

and some t-shirts

https://legacymc.shop.sportstoday.com/product/8XCT117/erik-jones-43-guns-n-roses-tshirt


and some new music here :

hm, ah, nah.  :hihi:

Okay, I'll take one of those too.

The little car is just fucking sweet.   :D

Race is today

2:30PM ET
16:30 BRT & ART
7:30PM GMT
20:30 CET
21:30 EET






/jarmo

Damn I missed it.  They are doing a preshow and they were talking about Richard Petty.

Announced the tour.  Said check the site but it's just spinning.  And then just showed London.  Missed their cue there.

The announcer did say it was the prettiest car on the field.  Looked good out there but not really doing anything.

Website took a few tries to load so it appears there was some interest to check the tour dates…sadly the dates are not on the site  ???

That's what I thought.  Maybe they were trying to upload and got the timing wrong with incoming traffic.  But it looks like they fucked up there.

I checked the website, as instructed by the race announcer, and it just lists London.  I don't understand?  There's nothing different today since the end of 2022.   :'(

I bought one of those sweet looking 1:24 diecast cars last night:  https://www.circlebdiecast.com/preorder-erik-jones-2023-guns-n-roses-1-24-nascar-diecast
Got free shipping using coupon code OOTG.  Saved me $12.  Another site said the cars won't be available until September!   ::)

Thanks for posting the link to that die cast! Just put in my preorder as well!

Wait, he moved up to fifth.  Stepped away and he moved out of the 20s.

And he's back down there.  The car looked hot riding the ass of the car in front of him and another on its' ass.  8)

Fuck.  Didn't get body damage though.

He's done for the day.

Still its exciting to see the car.  Hope they keep it.

The difference is: 2023 World Tour is coming and we are excited to announce the ALL NEW 2023 Nightrain Packages.

Basically giving fans a chance to sign up for the fan club before the tour is announced. So they can take advantage of the fan club presales for tickets....




/jarmo

They're selling fan club memberships?  I would need a guarantee the presales tickets were good seats before I bought that.  And would want to know if they were coming to my town.  That advertising campaign failed with me.

Do you know if they will continue to sponsor the car?

Yes... There was a fan club back in the day. Into the 1990s. Then Nightrain was launched in 2012.



No idea.




/jarmo

Oh the car did get hit on the left rear.  He talks like the car will continue to be the GNR car.

So, based on timing and the show that is already announced..... What areas would you say see this potential tour in 2023?

Considering there's a show in London, more European shows. Considering there was a car in a NASCAR race, USA?




/jarmo

no new music to launch that new world tour then?

Cool - Watched the last 20 laps & overtime! Somewhat entertaining.

The promo mentioned World Tour, nothing about new music.



/jarmo

I should of watched the end of that race.  Turned out it was a demolition derby.  :hihi:

They did update the tour page with information. 

Lets just call for a random drug screen on the staff and see where this fuck up got its start.  Wouldn't want to dismiss anybody from their job who has a medical excuse without giving them time to get treatment.

Demo derby for sure! Enjoy reading your post!

It was up yesterday already.




/jarmo

thanks Jarmo. well, no real surprise here, we're talking about Guns N'Roses...
I suppose I won't hold my breath for that hypothetical one last album for 2023 then...

This would have been the perfect opportunity to create maximum buzz for the tour by releasing a new single and announcing a new record for release later this year.

It’s clear to me that this is now a nostalgia band and I guess I’m gonna have to make my peace with that.

No it wasn't.  The only thing showing was the London show for a few hours after the commercial.  I checked a couple of more times thinking it was trying to upload something but it never changed.  What happened right after the commercial was a long spin.  I assume with people trying to check the site.  Same thing reported over at MyGNR.

I don't know what's yesterday for you, but I do remember seeing it saying the tour is coming yesterday (Sunday). Because I told someone the same thing.




/jarmo

Maybe you'll have to make peace with the fact that what might be true for hardcore fans, might not always be true for the average audience member.

Basically, there is no perfect setlist. Because the other guy thinks your/my perfect setlist is shit!  :hihi:




/jarmo

I hear ya, but it’s not about the setlist. At least as far as I’m concerned. It’s about the buzz, the excitement. Your favourite band is releasing new music/an album again. Hell, they could release a new record and not play any tracks from it at the shows and I’d still be a happy mother fucker

From Axl's twitter
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But are they keeping the car going forward?

Eric is still showing the GNR logo for his next race.  Maybe they are keeping the car.  8)

Allegiant will be on the 43 this week.

You mean like in August and September 2021?




/jarmo

Darn.  Well, that was fun.

Ah, so the limited idiotic comments from the internet morons mean that the rest of the loyal fans lose out?

Is that what I said?

You asked for new music to have a buzz. So I asked you if you meant like in 2021.





/jarmo

In answer to your question, yes - like in August and September 2021.

But, as we know, some idiots took to the internet to spread their moronic comments about the new tracks, with Absurd getting the brunt of their vitriolic bile.

I assumed your comment obtained an element of facetiousness and a possible insight into why further new tracks have not been released: please correct me if I’m wrong. That being the case, my response was merely alluding to the fact that it’s unfortunate the majority of fans miss out on new music as a result.

Not trying to fall out with you Jarmo. I’m too old for keyboard wars. Just stating my opinion. As I approach middle age I am increasingly grabbing the wrong end of the stick so please forgive and excuse any offence caused 🙂

We live in a world where some people spend their time whining about shit they either have no control over, or don't know anything about. That's just reality.


On the other hand many people who attend shows might not be familiar with anything other than the hits. They possible wouldn't know the difference between Prostitute and Absurd. Or Coma and Hard Skool.... Which ones are new, which ones aren't.





/jarmo

I was hoping this too and can see the same from comments under every article about this tour thus far.
It’s delusional to think that new music isn’t the main thing any true fans wants, it’s the records that made us fans to begin with after all.
It is a nostalgia tour since 2016 except for the 2 singles which I really enjoyed a few years back and is
it is better than nothing, I’m still going to go like I always will because they are the greatest band of all time and I love the live shows but it’s a sad reality to know that it’s now a longer gap between Chinese to now than UYI to Chinese. We’re not owed anything but we live in hope.

there's a really simple thing to do if you want new music : stop buy tickets. stop buy tshirts.

it's like any industry : the consumer has the real power. stop drinking Coca-Cola, they're dead. stop smoking, adios Marlboro.

but fans will never do that. look at them on another message board, always moaning there's still no new album in sight, but when there's new tour dates, they're the first ones to buy one ticket.

so well, the band is right to do what they do. touring, making good money, enjoying themselves playing the stuff (I hope), making music with side projects for the ones who still cares.

There's some irony in the situation. We just had zero shows a while back. Period.

Can't complain about setlists for shows that can't happen. People already forgot....





/jarmo

Got an email from GNR advertising the car merchandise on their site.  Hope that means we are going to see more of the car.

Man, it's almost like you're accidentally admitting that the idea of "voting with your wallet" is bullshit... because you can never find an example of it actually happening. Most consumers are not interrogating the practices of every business they ever purchase something from, especially not something as seemingly inconsequential and cheap as a can of soda.

And you really couldn't have picked a worse example for your point than pointing to a literally addictive substance and saying "just stop buying it!"

I am so so sorry, you will never see that car again.

Goodnight Irene, Goodnight Irene
I'll see you in my dreams

https://youtu.be/Lvaix334NYs

A little segment on the car and new tour dates from Eddie trunk.

For whatever reason Eddie doesn't seem to realize there's more to a tour than the band having days off. You need to move the band, and crew, from one place to the other. It's called a Travel Day. On top of that, if you do stadium shows you might need a day to set up the show itself. So the band might have a day off, but there's still work going on at the venue. So your two days off aren't days off because the band isn't performing.... They might be needed for logistical reasons. Smaller tours are different.






/jarmo

I'm not sure I understand your first sentence...

about the second one, more and more consumers are doing so, buying fairtrade products, looking at their composition, where they were manufactured, boycott chinese products made by children, it's now something the general public is accustomed to, at least in Europe, maybe it's different in the US, I wouldn't that surprised about that...  :hihi:

sorry for being off topic

The first sentence was sarcasm.

The point is that it's literally impossible to know every abuse that every company engages in and shop accordingly (you might be shocked to find out that every company has skeletons in its closet). Avoiding companies you know are doing something bad is not a substitute for regulation, and that is how the phrase "vote with your wallet" is employed. You cannot know that Company X is dumping pollutants unless they get caught and you happen to hear it on the news or you deeply research every company you ever buy anything from. It's putting the onus on every average Joe to be an expert in supply chains and industry practices. It's a totally unworkable non-solution. You'd spend your entire day reading into every pack of gum you bought at lunch, the gas station you stopped at on the way home, the owner of that station franchise, the gas producer, the gas distributor, and so on. There already exists a mechanism for this, and it's regulation. We need to stop treating that as a dirty word. I'm not against boycotting, but it's very ineffective, which is why it's the favored form of protest by the very companies that engage in this bad behavior.

That is not even getting into the fact that, if you're voting with your wallet, the person with the biggest wallet has the most votes.

Er, I'm the one who normally derails the topic.   :hihi:  But would you get the fuck out of the fast car topic!  Every time it pops up I have hope and you're totally ruining that.

yeah I understood the tone (sarcasm) but not the sense  :hihi:

to be clear I didn't say boycotts works everytime (60 percent of the time, it works everytime :hihi: ), for the main part because people just lost interest and have short memory, they move on very quickly, even more at the time of social media. here we talk about the situation where fans of a band stop buying what is proposed to them, it's very simple and effective, the band has no other solution to propose something else to buy (or to end its career if they are really stubborn).

that said, I think people in 2023 take the time to look at what they're buying, where it comes from, and how it was made, for their personal health, and for the future of the planet. which is wasn't the case 30 years ago. and that's a very good thing.


sorry cineater, still not a vroom vroom post :hihi: (last post for me, I made my point)

The thing is, the fans posting on message boards are just a very small fraction of the people attending the shows. And the vast majority of the general public don't care about new songs/albums, they just want to hear the hits. So a boycott from a few online fans wouldn't change anything.

And yet that hasn't happened, and I can't think of a time it ever has. The majority of ticket buyers will always be mainstream fairweather fans who don't care. Just like the majority of people will never know the intimate details of every company they ever buy anything from.

Also, in 2023, albums don't make money anymore, touring does. So the idea that if your tours are not selling tickets, you'd instead spend all the money to record and release an album which you're basically just hoping to break even on... just doesn't really make sense. If your ticket sales are waning, you have less money than ever before to invest in an album.

Got my GNR race car shirt.  Like it but a medium is really a large.  Had a tag in it to buy tickets but it was tickets to a NASCAR event. 

This going to be one of those things where people ask me about it and say they never heard of it.   :hihi: