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South America, new dates are up for
Lollapalooza & Estereo Picnic⚡️

Nov 27: Santiago, Chile
Nov 29: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Dec 4: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Dec 6: Estereo Picnic, Bogota, Colombia

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Guns N' Roses
GNR fam, we're announcing new rescheduled #GNR2020 tour dates.
Hold onto your tickets, see you soon ⚡️

November 8 Punta Cana, Dominican Republic
November 11 Merida, Mexico
November 15 San Jose, Costa Rica
November 18 Guatemala City, Guatemala
November 21 Quito, Ecuador
November 24 Lima, Peru
November 27 Lollapalooza, Santiago, Chile
November 29 Lollapalooza, Buenos Aires, Argentina
December 4 Lollapalooza, Sao Paulo, Brazil
December 6 Estereo Picnic, Bogota, Colombia

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That was quick.  :D

i really like this logo

Easy to imagine it being part of the booklet from the upcoming album  :)

I was thinking new bandana but booklet page sounds good too.  :D

Hope the rest of the countries are re scheduled aswell soon!  : ok:

Full disclosure:  That logo is just a screen grab from the video associated with the announcement.

 

Merida is a great cultural city, but with the exception of Paul McCartney, I don't remember having been visited before by a band of the caliber of Gn'R, strange, and certainly the show was canceled because he intended to play in the archaeological zone of Chichen Itza,

Guns N' Roses
@gunsnroses
Merida, MX
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We're coming. See you November 11, more info coming soon...

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The last tweet from the promoter @livo_lat indicates that they will give information from April 1

I wonder when there will be a update on the status of the European tour dates?  I'm surprised the band/ management have not said anything about the upcoming tour.

I'd expect something in the next few weeks.

Me too....the tour starts in 7 weeks!

I think everybody can count on the tour being cancelled.  I think they are probably waiting to get a better picture for the rescheduled dates.  Imagine all the sports places trying to jam their season into reduced dates?  Concerts may not get priority over those events.  Types of venues may have to be changed.

I question if sports will resume this year, at least with a crowd especially the NBA an NHL. I would at this point also expect a shorter MLB season. I expect the European and USA tour to be next spring and summer.

I'm thinking we won't see any large crowds until there is a vaccine.

I won't say it's that dire, Dr Fauci said once we get a real time point of care test that we can do very quickly we can get people with it out of circulation, then much easier contact tracing. Also if we find an existing drug with antiviral or therapeutic properties that prevents it from being fatal, then we can start to get back to normal. Both scenarios are probably several months away though.

But once they start using drugs on it, won't it mutate and the drugs won't work?

I believe it already has mutated. Just look how it's affecting people since  the initial outbreak

It has.  I believe 7 times but not to far from what it was.  Probably climate adjustments but I don't know that.  After a while you just have to turn this shit off and take a break.  You can almost forget there's a problem.

Anyway, back to GNR, hope they are all fairing well.

What's the delay in postponing the US tour?

I mean...who are we kidding here?

At least there's a few months until the USA tour....how about the Europe tour?! That starts in just a few weeks!

It's not just GN'R. Pretty much all touring acts are currently facing the same problems.

What gets canceled and/or postponed, and if so, until when.

On top of that, the venues might not be available when the tours start again. Sports will also start back up at some point.


Oh, and not forgetting that if everyone wants to start at the same time, you might have multiple tours at the same time and crews can't really be in more than one place at the time..... It's not uncommon for these professionals to work for multiple tours and go from one to another. Not so easy if most of the bands you worked for are touring at the same time.




/jarmo

My guess is the decision is already made and they're likely working out when to reschedule.

My guess is they gave it up, too many unknowns right now and it's a waste of time.  Maybe next year.

Before Prudential Center and TicketMaster sent emails to me notifying that the concert was postponed, Godsmack and Halestorm had the April 24th date listed on their respective websites. WDHA had a counter  going for the days, hours, and minutes to the concert. Every day in March, I was looking at all the websites. In late March, I saw that the date was removed on Google. It was then added back the next day. I knew something was up and sent a text to my childhood friend stating what I saw. We both agreed that something was up. The following week (last week) I got emails from Prudential Center and TicketMaster stating that the concert was rescheduled for next year. That day WDHA took down the counter and posted it on their website that it was postponed.

It was obvious that all parties were in talks as to the rescheduled date. The  similar thing could be going on for GNR and Bon Jovi. I have tickets to both concerts that are happening during the same week in July. We probably won't know until a month before the concert, which is what I'm expecting due to my experience with the Godsmack/Halestorm show.  For fans in Europe, I'm not sure what will happen.

That's exactly what I think is going on, just trying to work out when to schedule then next year.

What do you guys think, will the Latin America tour dates happen in November?  I think they will be pushed back to next year. :beer:

My opinion is that it'll get pushed back. We'll know soon enough, though.

I'd say zero chance. Things are pretty grim there.

Hopefully there is a vaccine by the end of the year, if so I like our chances for concerts to resume by the summer. :beer:

When do you think bands/promoters will start making serious decisions about summer gigs?

Probably by May 1. :beer:

At this point i am thinking this years shows are in doubt. You got this new strain of covid-19 spreading and the vaccine rollout has been at a snails pace in the US so far.

I have to agree.  It's only the 4th but I wouldn't be buying any tickets to events or vacations until we are told they have this under control.  Could be years.  Yeah that sucks.

We now have several states with the new UK variant. I'm sure it is only a matter of time before the South African gets here too. If we can't ramp up distribution of the vaccine this year is going to suck too. Dr Fauci even said the other day some semblance of normal is now not likely until fall.

It’s definitely starting to look unlikely Europe will happen.  :'(

My guess is Oz might be the return.

Regardless of the "new-strain" we HAVE to get back to normalcy by May 1st or this is apparently NOT about the virus itself.

The Vax is here......we all know the risks. Stay home if you still want to come summer 2021 but we should and frankly have to get back to normal or this earth will be completely different and NOT for the better.

15 days to slow the spread was 9 months ago and the FLU has basically disappeared.

I am NOT a covid hoaxer at all, just stating what we have all be told by politicians and "experts".

Hope to see you at a show THIS SUMMER.

peace

The thing you have to looks at is half of the guys on stage going from country to country, state to state aren't exactly spring chickens. While they have taken better care of themselves in recent years between a lifetime of smoking, heart issues for Slash, other organ issues for Duff, this isn't something that they are probably all that keen on exposing themselves. the vaccine isn't a miracle, it is much like the flu vaccine much more likely to lessen symptoms but not guaranteed to prevent it.

I'm not holding out hope for my 2020 Boston show. Part of that is regardless of ticketmaster or the band, I don't think the City is going to allow it.

I like how you think you can tell the virus and the medical community when we "HAVE to" get back to normal.

I can tell a freight train it HAS TO stop on a dime while standing in front of it, but that won't stop me from being emulsified. The only negative effects of our half-assed lockdown have been a completely avoidable result of the government failing to act. There's no reason we couldn't stay this way forever if there was adequate support. Lots of businesses will be sticking with work-at-home because it actually works better. Wearing a mask when you go out won't "radically change the entire Earth!!!" and neither will abstaining from music festivals or dine-in restaurants.

Calling it "the flu" and saying it's "basically disappeared" when we are at the highest peak in cases ever (in the US anyway), says everything about you. Two days ago we just hit nearly 300,000 new cases in ONE DAY.

 

This being a GNR board and all.  I've seen that same kind of logic used to predict when the next GNR album will be out.   :hihi:  Still waiting.

The US dates have been removed from the GN'R site.

Are they officially off Jarmo?

Not that I know.

Still appear on ticketmaster.com.

Edited to add: Dates are back.




/jarmo

No.

Pretty much everything you wrote is just "no".  I could sit here and give you an informed reason why that's true, but it would fall on deaf ears, so I won't bother to direct the rest of my post to  you.  It's just not worth it.  So feel free to skip the rest and move on.

For everyone else reading this:

It is 100% about the virus.  Always has been. Always will be. Anyone telling you different is lying to you.  I work with the folks working on this vaccine. I work with the folks (state and local) who are and will be distributing this vaccine. I work with the folks who will be administering this vaccine.  They are not doing this for political reasons.  They were working 18 hour+ days, 7 days a week, to try to get this vaccine out.  They ARE working 18 hour+ days, 7 days a week, to get this vaccine manufactured.  They ARE working 18+ hour days, 7 days a week, to get this vaccine out and into arms.  They are not doing this because they support Team Red or Team Blue.  They are doing it so they can safely and efficiently get you medicine to reduce your chances of being seriously harmed or killed by this virus.

That being said:

Vaccination is going much slower than was planned. A big part of that is logistics and storage.  Some of it is flat out having enough resources to get shots into arms.  In some places (*cough* Florida *cough*) it is a battling a completely insane distribution system that makes no sense, puts those seeking vaccines at higher risk, and is a complete and total failing at the state government level.  Honestly, there needs to be more money and more federal "help" to prop up the distribution system...which should have been in place going into December.  And people were assured it WAS in place.....even though it wasn't.

Unless things change....and I hope they do...we are looking at late summer to get the majority of people innoculated.  I'm HOPING that with the new administration, things will speed up. The fed will step in and provide logistic assistance and distribution guidance (not just who, but how states should distribute).  Right now, it's the wild wild west.  And for every state like CT, which seems to have it's shit together, you have 3 states in chaos. That has to get fixed.

In short, for predictive purposes, we can only go by the numbers we have right now. And it ain't good.  The fed estimated 20 million vaccinations by Jan 1.  We were at under 5 million.  And we're not appreciably speeding up. So, May 1st is an optimistic, arbitrary, pipe dream. I'd say Sept 1st is a more realistic date for a majority.   That's not to say we won't see "enough" vaccinations to start the turn back to normalacy....this isn't going to be like flipping a switch.  But an actual end to this? We need to set our expectations to late Summer/early fall, right now, and hope for better.

Setting artificial timelines to "be done with the virus" is just unrealistic.   Pandemics and viruses don't adhere to our schedules.  They don't care if we get tired of them.  They don't care if we believe in them, or their severity.  They infect, and in some cases kill us, regardless of how we feel about them. We will be done with this when we have 75% or so of the population vaccinated.

Flu is down.  It has not disappeared.  We had a huge spike in positive flu tests (and negative covid tests) this past week.  The flu is here, but...surprise surprise...many of the precautions we're taking to prevent covid....they also work on the flu.  And any insinuation that flu positives are simply being denoted as covid positives is 100% false.  

So here's what you do to make things better: Stay home when you can, wear masks when you're out in public and can't reliably maintain a 6 to 8 foot distance, wash your hands (or use sanitizer if you can't).  There is a light at the end of the tunnel....we're just not exactly sure how long the tunnel is, right now, or if we can pick up a bit of speed and get to the end quicker.

We will get back to normalcy, we will see shows, we will hug our "external", at risk, loved ones again.  I'm just not sure "soon" is the word, yet. ;)

God, imagine if we had Stefanowksi running the show right now. "Well, we abolished the income tax so you're all on your own because the state is bankrupt!"

So I was checking out New Zealand for my daughter's honeymoon trip in October/November.  Look at these travel restrictions:  https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/covid-19/border-closures-and-exceptions#travel-eligibility  I know that's without the vaccine consideration but that's a lot of caution.  Looks like it's going to be a long time before anybody is getting in there for travel.

As someone in local government and working with health departments I agree with everything you said except ... I think you’re optimistic about late summer/early fall. I think as far as big concerts go, we can cancel 2021. Movie theaters will probably be back up and running. Anyway, good post.

I should have been more clear.

I think shows are 50/50, at best.  Largely because they require a long lead time for them to schedule, and you have to be 100% (or nearly so) that you can have that show before you schedule it. 

But I think we will have a fairly large majority of those that want to be vaccinated, vaccinated, by September.  I'm hearing a fair bit about what the new administration is going to do to speed things up, and I think we'll be able to hit close to a million jabs a day, coming up pretty quickly. 

We'll see.  We will know by late February how things are going, and that will give us a better idea of where we'll be, and when.

I have travel scheduled for early October.  I'm pretty confident we'll be able to take that trip without really worrying about COVID.

I wish the people who do the Chick-fil-A drive thru lines were over the vaccine rollout. Haha

I wish they would turn it over to Amazon.  :D  They are still pushing the summer Olympics in Japan.

OK, so....stick a pin in this, come back in about 6 weeks or so, and take a bow.

I mean, not the Chick-fil-A part, but........ ;)

Legit, Biden is considering asking Bezos to let the US government use amazon warehouse space for cold storage housing. They would become hubs for the mass distribution process.

Amazon has already said they're ready to do so, but I don't think any states have taken them up on that offer. There's a few articles out there about this.

This thread is full of borderline clairvoyance today.

I'm not sure if all this stuff will actually happen, but it's some of the logistical things being proposed, along with invoking the Defense Production Act.

In about 9 days, there's going to be a LOT of vaccine information coming, I think.

I'm just going with I'm staying the fuck away from everybody, not planning anything and riding this one.  :D  Looking for me, I'm at home on the computer on another fucking zoom meeting.  Fortunately staying away from people is something I like.  You read how I feel about zoom meetings.  :hihi:

Haha same here, i don't do large crowds unless it is a ballgame or concert. Otherwise i like being left alone.

I do miss GNR though.  For something that isn't among the most important things in your life, the band does make it fun.  :D

Great post!

Without being an expert, it's seems like it's a bit of a mystery how the summer will be.

This thing will be around for quite some time, we just need to learn how to live with it. But I really hope this doesn't mean we can't have certain things, like live tours, return.




/jarmo

Vaccinations will be finished in fall 2021 if all goes well here at least.
I think summer will be too early for Europe...and things in the USA are even worse.

Hate to say it but I think we will have to wait another year.

It has been a slow go for the vaccine in the united States.  I think we won't get touring to at least the fall.  Hopefully the vaccine rollout goes faster in the states. :beer:

Hey...take your bow! ;)

More of these will start to pop up around the country, too, if plans pan out.

https://www.wtnh.com/news/health/coronavirus/cts-largest-covid-19-drive-thru-clinic-to-open-monday-in-east-hartford/amp/

Well all I know is that over here in Europe music festivals are still planning their summer festivals. Some are announcing their line ups as we speak.






/jarmo

Jarmo, do you think the European dates will go on even with a slow rollout of the vaccines.  I think the usa dates will be canceled in that the vaccines are taking longer to reach the public than what was expected.  Keep our fingers crossed :beer:

I have no idea.

Some "experts" are saying the summer in Europe will be almost like back to normal, with travel etc. Others are more pessimistic.




/jarmo

Things scheduled for March are getting cancelled here in the UK and some festivals are moving to September. Summer stadium gigs in June are looking very very unlikely. The average age group of most major event attendees will not have been vaccinated by then and the fear is new mutations.
Unless the industry has a big plan up its sleeve regarding testing I think we can forget about this summer.

Im just another guy with 0 real knowledge about these things.

If had to guess. I could see in June/July gigs in Europe with something like capacity of 1000-5000 people. Stadiums with 10x times that? Unlikely.
August could be a different story.

Again i have no idea really.

Maybe the Latin American tour will go off in that it set to kickoff in November.  I think the rest of the dates will get cancelled. :beer:

That would be nice, to start from where they left it.

The problem is that there is no Latin American tour in November.

There is a tour in Australia and New Zealand scheduled for November.





/jarmo

Glastonbury just got cancelled here in the UK.
Hope live nation do the right thing and offer people the options of refunds sooner rather than later as it’s very clear that no concerts on a mass scale are happening this summer.  :'(

Sorry the Australian tour

https://www.nme.com/news/music/primavera-sounds-trial-for-gigs-with-no-social-distancing-finds-no-infection-rate-2859033

Understand that one single trial means very little in the scientific world.

I think the European and usa tour dates get canceled. UK is in a lockdown to May and the usa has limited vaccines.  Hopefully the Australian tour is a go and then we get new music. :beer:

July 10th, 2021: Milwaukee, WI @ Henry Maier Festival Park (Summerfest)


Summerfest @Summerfest

We are excited to get the live music industry back in action and to welcome fans back, but in order to allow healthcare professionals more time to distribute the vaccine, Summerfest 2021 will be held September 2-4, 9-11 & 16-18. Save those dates, and we'll see you in September!

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No information on whether or not GN'R and other acts will be scheduled for the new dates yet.




/jarmo

Scientists are pushing for lockdown till May here in the uk. I don't think the June dates are happening. I think the London date is maybe just down the road abit from where the England/Scotland match at Euro 2021 is supposed to happen? Speaking of which I hope it goes ahead (the tournament) even without fans.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but the Europe dates seem doomed until next year once the vaccine's really take hold.

Perhaps insurance is the reason it hasn't already been moved, and they need the governments in those countries to confirm?

 Governor Murphy will allow 15% attendance at outdoor venues and 10% attendance in indoor venues for NJ starting March 1. The announcement was made today. Even if he increases the attendance by August, there won't be that many people who would be able to attend the GNR concert at MetLife Stadium.  They would have to do some type of lottery system if they don't allow full capacity.  I can see GNR postponing the tour again since it may not be worth it.  I hope not, though.

Just to connect to this topic.
With everything we hear and read, it is likely that 2021. is almost as 2020. with large concert venues and festivals. I work in event industry and prognostics are not that good.
Also, we have major festivals in our country and neither of them are promoting artists and line ups, but dates are scheduled (July, August).
And to add, there's some kind of deal with all European major festivals, that till end of the march, they won't publicly state about rescheduling or cancelling events. They will see how the situation with virus is going.

I think increasing attendance to 15% is positive news overall, because it is still February and GNR concert is in August. Europe probably won't happen ,taking into account the slow vaccination rollout, but maybe...maybe there is some hope for the US, especially if they move some dates in Sepetmber. IDK, we have to wait and see :-\

Have a feeling only the Australian part of the tour will go on.  I think the European and US tour will get cancelled. :beer:

I think you are being very optimistic. Since I live in NJ, I can tell you that the vaccine rollout here has been a bit of a mess. My parents are in their 70s and I'm trying to find them an appointment. Appointments are booked as soon as they appear online. It's like trying to get a ticket through TicketMaster for the hottest concert in town.  Additionally, I've seen how indoor restaurants are being handled. Indoor dining can now have the capacity of 35%. This was announced last week. From July to now, it was at 25% capacity for indoor dining in NJ. I seriously doubt that Governor Murphy will allow  full capacity by August if he's starting with 15% now. NJ was in very bad shape  regarding COVID. The situation here has definitely improved. I just don't think it has improved enough for Governor Murphy to sign off at 50% or 100% capacity regarding outdoor venues.

Lady Gaga, Guns N’ Roses And More Performing At Wrigley Field This Summer After Having Shows Rescheduled By The Pandemic

https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/03/16/lady-gaga-guns-n-roses-and-more-performing-at-wrigley-field-this-summer-after-having-shows-rescheduled-by-the-pandemic/

Guns N’ Roses on July 21

Didn't see the Grateful Dead rescheduled.  They were playing the day before, before the tour was rescheduled.

Saturday,
Jul 10, 2021
Summerfest
Milwaukee, WI
Tuesday,
Jul 13, 2021
Nationals Park
Washington, DC
Friday,
Jul 16, 2021
Target Field
Minneapolis, MN
Sunday,
Jul 18, 2021
Lucas Oil Stadium
Indianapolis, IN
Wednesday,
Jul 21, 2021
Wrigley Field
Chicago, IL
Saturday,
Jul 24, 2021
Comerica Park
Detroit, MI
Monday,
Jul 26, 2021
Rogers Centre
Toronto, CA
Tuesday,
Aug 3, 2021
Fenway Park
Boston, MA
Thursday,
Aug 5, 2021
Metlife Stadium
East Rutherford, NJ
Wednesday,
Aug 11, 2021
FargoDome
Fargo, ND
Friday,
Aug 13, 2021
Grizzly Stadium
Missoula, MT
Monday,
Aug 16, 2021
Dick's Sporting Good Park
Denver, CO
Thursday,
Aug 19, 2021
Banc Of California Stadium
Los Angeles, CA

https://www.gunsnroses.com/tour

When did that go up?

The 2021 North American dates were announced last July.



/jarmo

Those American dates are still wildly optimistic in my opinion. For Hockey and Basketball in the US it is city by city as far as fans being let in, but we are in mid March and there are no fans at Bruins or Celtics games. March 23rd is Step 4 phase 1 of the reopen which will allow 12 percent attendance. In MA some schools are returning to full 5 day in person schedules for the first time in April, my assumption is with kids not being vaccinated and MA still having a nightmare rolling out vaccines there will be a minor surge/outbreak due to that school return which will directly impact Governor Bakers movement forward (or backwards) in the phase approach. So squeezing 40k+ people into Fenway Park looks unlikely in August.

Summerfest was already moved to September by its organizers.




/jarmo

I think you can go ahead and say it will be downright impossible.

Gives me no pleasure to say that.  Like the rest of the world, I am tired of all this shit too.  But the facts on the ground are what they are. 

Vaccines also a mess here in PA.  Not a lot of success stories to be found.  I am getting my first shot tomorrow.  I have to drive 90 miles for it, one way.  Then do it again in a month.  Is what it is, and beggars and choosers and all that.  But it's a pretty clumsy approach.

I thought we'd be home again all this year too but things are opening up fast.  As far as I know, most of the band falls in the general population category for the vaccine.  It's going to be close if everybody gets it before they are scheduled to hit the road.

Hopefully everyone can get vaccinated by July 4th as the President said.  I don’t see any cancellations happening on the GnR front.  I do think we will have to get a COVID-19 passport, or some kind of proof that you have been vaccinated.  With Concerts, Sporting events, etc.  I’m not necessarily a big fan of the idea, I do have a feeling that will be the new norm.

Kenny Chesney and Florida Georgia Line just cancelled their 2021 Summer Tour which would have hit Foxboro MA for 3 nights in late August. I think 2021 is a wash based on the chips falling the way they already are.

Have to agree with you except the Australian tour is a go :beer: