Here Today... Gone To Hell!

www.gnr.fm (http://www.gnr.fm)




/jarmo

Interesting

I am is r a scurred  :-X

 :hihi:

It's SOOOOOOOO not fair when he knows things and doesn't tell us :P

GNR online radio station?

DJ Ashba is replacing Slash for the new tour?   ;D

I kid, I kid...

Some new shows I am guessing. Prolly about it.

Universal Music owns the domain. Don?t think it has to do with touring.

Afd remastered

Could be this.

Interesting. Wonder when we will know

AFD remastered? What's the point of doing that?  ???

i agree - wouldnt excite me

who knows what this could be? Just from Instagram and social media there has been a little buzz with fernando and Duff had dinner at Axl's last week. interesting

OK I'll wait to know what's going on before opening my big mouth.

Who knows!

I'd go for afd remaster.....but the anniversary went by, and in my view the moment has passed so not sure.

Any ideas when we might find out?

Maybe an AFD-remastered + AFD "1998" + some demos - just wishfull thinking :)

Any news is exciting... hope Stradlin and Adler joining in??
Time will say.

Jarmo what's does this mean? LOL I wish it was that easy  :rofl:

I don't think they're going to open that can of worms while the reunion lineup is still together. :P

I would love a remastered and expanded AFD. After that give us a huge Illusions box set :) GNR is WAY overdue for this.

Why not? If they are reisuing, it features two past members of the band as it is. The 1998 AFD, if it still exista, would be a nice addition.

Fernan do.

Appetite #2

Very skeptical about getting my hopes up for Izzy and Steven to join in again.

Mitch Lafton on Twitter:
"@mitchlafon

Welcome To The J̶u̶n̶g̶l̶e̶ Deluxe edition box set with tons of goodies... Coming soon "
https://twitter.com/mitchlafon/status/990939228421869568

Unfortunately, and this is obviously just my opinion, but if a 'deluxe edition box set/repacked gnr songs with a few things thrown in' is released, it will mean that any new album will be then pushed back for at least 12-18 months to let the hype/hunger and anticipation build up again.

I hope i'm wrong, and this isn't just a repackaged album, but rather a monumental release containing all new songs that came out a little after the whole same bat time, same bat channel.
Don't let us down Nando!

I have no problem with it, and I would like to hear it, but it seemed to bother some people when they heard that New GNR had re-recorded an album that many people hold sacred in its original form.

Memories:

'' CHINESE DEMOCRACY Is Comming''

 :hihi:

Hopefully this is an "Appetite" box set type thing with a bunch of extra tracks/demos and not just a remaster.  Also very glad to see Im not the first person who wants to hear the late 90's Appetite that they recorded.  Honestly having that included would probably excite me the most.  Never understood people who are so against hearing it, whats the big deal?    I loved the rerecorded part of "Sweet Child" from Big Daddy. 

Ah Christ, if the last 3 years have pinnacled with a "re-release" then she-yit.  New music plz...

Will you guys just give it a fucking rest, the 1998 AFD is something that we will never have a chance to listen to, unless someone breaks into Axl's (physical? virtual?) music vault.

My bet is a re-issue, which would be cool IMO.

I so hope this band starts looking to the future at some point before it's too late, meaning new music, new styles, and specially, to completely leave behind the nostalgia.

This thing can mean 2 things:

- A new release AFD related (a remastering, a re-recording, a non-touched AFD in a box full of collectable items) > completely innecesary to my eyes
- A ''full reunion'', which would be a fantastic choice to keep doing easy money and make one or two more complete world tours, but a catastrophe regarding the live sound of the band.

The exciting times of new music, new sounds (remember when ''Chicken Dinner'' popped up for the first time?), unpredictable behaviours, setlists, and overall attitude are gone for good.

I'm afraid we're past unpredictable behaviors..

Let's look at it like this.

What's the only thing that could eclipse the reformation of (some of) the appetite band?

Answer: new music. Anything else wouldn't hold up to that *imo / warning imo*

Im not too interested in a remaster of appetite. It still sounds great, and dosent need to be messed with.

Im very interested on hearing the 1999 version of appetite. Actually im interested in hearing  any unheard finished recordings.

 :hihi: :o ;D :peace: :love:

It's probably just be an announcement that the upcoming tour is about to start.  If we've learned anything from being Guns fans, it's not to read into anything.  Seeing is believing. 

https://twitter.com/mitchlafon/status/991262114336604160/photo/1

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcGroYyWsAAr3Kv.jpg)

GnR fans are a big family and as all families we have a bunch of douch bags! Complain about line up, musics, cd. Give a break! I dont care what they r gonna to do, just cant wait!

Some seem to have the mentality that nothing is better then something they don't want. Personally I'm excited. Something is better than nothing. Especially in the world of being a GN'R fan.

People are talking again. Plus we got an European tour coming up, and now this, whatever it turns out to be.

Good times! :)






/jarmo

Activity on the site. Shadow of Your Love now.

2 days, 12hrs countdown.

You know what it is! and yes I'm one that said AFD remastered "wouldn't interest me" but clearly it would. Just want maybe new material and more US Dates! But I am jumping the pond for Barcelona July 1st so thats exciting.

It's all good in GN'R world.

holy crap! now i am jacked! lol

If you use your mobile device, it's a little different....



/jarmo

The poster featuring the five skulls from AFD has been spotted in Camden (London)

http://musicfeeds.com.au/news/guns-n-roses-teasing-reunion-original-lineup/

https://twitter.com/TriniBoogie/status/990766345984856065?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radiox.co.uk%2Fartists%2Fguns-n-roses%2Fappetite-destruction-uk-tour-rumours%2F&tfw_site=RadioX

AFD Deluxe Edition would not be bad, Slash was in studio in 2016 maybe he did something related to that.

I've no idea what a lot of GNR fams want- I think basically for it to be 1987 again is a large part of it though!

Don't expect you to say of course, but do you know what all of this is about, or are you in the same position as us?

The guitar is different though, maybe it means reworked songs

I can only guess.....

It's exciting though! :)



/jarmo

I could be completely wrong , but nothing about this says ?Appetite reunion tour? to me.  It is odd that some somewhat reputable sites are reporting this as its a 100% done deal.  They are doing everything short of listing tour dates!  The billboards and promo scream Appetite reissue/box/remaster to me.

This is not the first time this happened.  My Chemical Romance put out a trailer for the 10th anniversary of The Black Parade and the media ran with it and announced a reunion that was never happening.  The media creates this stuff and then everyone gets all pissed off when the thing the media basically made up doesn?t wind up happening cause it wasnt real in the first place.

Whatever this is , I?m excited about it.  

If Uni Music owns the domain, I have a hard time believing that this is touring-related.

Ali

Maybe never before released material? :o

Anyway this is exciting. Gonna follow this countdown every second to 0!

Sure is! Think I'm driving my girlfriend mental though with my endless speculation!

"Currently the site is displaying a countdown and you can also hear a clip of Shadow Of Your Love (an Appetite For Destruction era track, a version of it was first released by GN'R as a B-side on the 12" It's So Easy maxi single in 1987"

Shadow of your Love was also featured on the 1991 Live and Let Die cd-single

This countdown clock ends exactly at midnight Thursday night/Friday morning   here on the East Coast.  That is when new releases come out on iTunes and Spotify. Is this thing possibly a surprise release for this Friday?

pretty excited about this, definitely won't hype myself too much after what's happened in the past but I've just bought Download tickets after seeing this announcement haha do wish they would do more gigs in the uk though

I don't have the already released version of Shadow at hand, but this one sounds re-recorded right? At least parts.

If they've re-recorded the old demos from that era plus maybe one new song I would definitely buy this. I'll probably buy it anyway whatever it is.

I think it may be just a gnr radio station of some sort. And also Keep hearing static like a radio does.

If that is all this is, then this...could produce a bit of disappointment.

Ali

The sound files I could find on there, there might be other songs?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/gnr-fm-assets/sounds/shadow-of-your-love.mp3

https://s3.amazonaws.com/gnr-fm-assets/sounds/welcome-to-the-jungle.mp3




EDIT: Damn, the WTTJ doesn't seem to work now (it was the album version).

If this is a remaster of AFD only, maybe. But, a boxset with outtakes, demos or new/unreleased tracks? I have to believe it would get more promo or else sales might be less than they otherwise could be.

Ali

Maybe we got Ain't Goin' Down, Shadow Of Your Love, Heartbreak Hotel, Jump Jack Flash, e another unreleased songs, maybe Slash re-worked the songs

I'm not sure what the target market is there. hardcore fans? general public? both?

the app geolocate you but is there something to see/listen when you're going to the pointed location?

I think we will have a Super Deluxe Box Set, maybe with original shows from the original line-up, Live At Ritz 88 remastered, I believe we will have many new songs and better quality

I've got the live and let die single, with it on the b side. This does sound a little different to me- but that could be simply that it's cleaned up. I'll try and do a comparison in a bit and see properly.

Hardcore fans I guess, it's usually that with these box sets I think.

Much appreciated. I have the single too, but no avail cd-player.

It is different.
The Live And Let Die b-side version is much faster than the new version here.

My guess is that the Live And Let Die b-side is a Live Like A Suicide outtake where this version of Shadow Of Your Love is a Appetite outtake. rerecorded in 1987 probably. The production here sounds really close to Appetites production.

I believe there was a mike clink shadow version recorded, which hasn't leaked, so it could well be tbat we are hearing.

No cd player?! Madness! Haha!

A version of SOYL in Live And Let die single is with Matt Sorum and Dizzy, there are other versions recorded between 1984 and 1990

I'm really curious to hear Heartbreak Hotel, Ain't Goin Down and other rarities

do you remember who did it?
who did, that to you...
who would do this, to you?
who would do this to you? to the young!

My hopes, my dreams have died
Now I rest my hate in the rumors as they're pushin' through
There's a child now chained to the bed now
To me it's time I'm always workin' and I'm gonna get out


I think it's high time you should fuckin' die, child
I think its time you've broken everything inside
I won't be ever satisfied
This is why, baby, you know I got you

Nope its a older outtake/demo with Adler.

I'm not sure, I've heard all the versions of Shadow Of Your Love including the remixes made for the 2004 release of The Roots of GNR, and that included on LALD b-side does not look like Adler on drums, Matt Sorum is credited in the single like being drummer of the song

Sorry,


There are three Guns N' Roses versions of ''Shadow of Your Love'',

1/ Sound City version recorded 2-4 June 1986, produced by Manny Charlton. This is the version on the ''Live and Let Die'' single, with the ''wake up, it's time to die'' intro. It is incorrectly labeled in the sleeve as being mixed by Hanspeter Heuber.

2/ Pasha Studios (Live Like A Suicide sessions) version recorded July-August 1986, produced by Spencer Proffer, mixed by Hanspeter Heuber. This is the faux live version on the ''It's so Easy'' single and Japanese Live in the Jungle EP.

3/ Cam-Am version, July 1986, produced by Mike Clink. This is currently uncirculated.

You're right

Its allright,  ;)
I got confused as well, for a moment i thought that the LALD single version is the same as the Live Like A Suicide outtake but that isint the case, like you pointed out.

I'm worried about Melissa. What does this do to her job, I like having her in the band.

Or maybe this is just some box and business as usual in the summer.

I hope they release it as something downloadable too as not many people nowadays have cd/record players etc.

Why would you want an AFD Deluxe box set to include a re-recorded '98 AFD ???  ::)  It includes only ONE real GNR member, the rest are hired hands ...

Why would you want to waste the ONLY chance we will ever have to get all the AFD pre-production stuff in excellent quality ?  On something that has NOTHING to do with GNR ?

By the way, there's only two surfaced versions of 'Shadow Of Your Love' :

- Sound City AFD 2-track pre-production demo (june '86) : officially released on the 'Live And Let Die' single.

- Pasha Studios AFD demo (august '86) : officially released on several singles, with added fake crowd noise.  Available without fake crowd noise on numerous bootlegs.

Let's hope they do the AFD Deluxe the right way, including the complete Mystic, Studio City and Pasha demos !!!

But, this is GNR, they'll probably fuck it up  ;D

Although I agree that such a release as a AFD box set, with the kind of promotion we're seeing, I'm hoping the content is focused on the band that made that album.

That being said, getting one thing (like the re-recorded AFD), doesn't automatically exclude any other content. They could "include it all".

My point was, WHY would you want 'it' (re-recorded AFD) ?  ::)  It's not GNR ...

It's not essential to include it imo. Though, in some way it can be viewed as a part of the history of the album. Not a major one, but the fact that the vocalist decided to re-record it some 10 years after its release, is something that happened.

It's not GNR as you said. Axl viewed it differently, at the time at least.

Still, I can't get mad if they do include it. Like I said, it doesn't need to be on expense of anything else.

It was GNR.
Just like 1987 lineup WAS GNR.

i wanna hear buckethead doing afd

Bucket wasent on the 1999 rerecording of AFD. It was Robin Finck and Paul Tobias on guitar.

Re-recording an album 10/11 years after the fact, with only 1 actual GNR member and a hired cast of musicians ... sorry, not GNR  ::)

Maybe it is/was to YOU, but then they did a good job of fooling you ...

Does the website show the "original" 5, or just Axl, Slash, and Duff?  The skull faces are changing so fast I can't tell if there are 3 or 5. 

If this is AFD focused, I wonder why it wasn't done last year to coincide with the 30th anniversary.  Either way, I'll obviously buy whatever it is they're selling, but I am hoping for some new music.  I mean, while the vault is open, give us a taste.

So, is Let it Be...Naked not a Beatles album?


The website shows all 5 skulls faces. Good point about them missing out on the 30th Anniversary last year, but other bands have been late as well when it comes to these things.

T  O  O  L  for example released a 21st Anniversary edition of their Opiate EP instead of a 20th.

I don't think that's true - you'd be hard pushed to find a big music fan that doesn't have some sort of audio equipment!

If it's a boxset it will be made to be just that - an exclusive and desirable item aimed at big fans, who will pay a premium for it. You might get a lesser version of downloadable content, but reissues are largely aimed at those big fans who want physical product.

I assume you don't like the current touring lineup either then? Or any lineup since Adler left?

Yes 1 original member....the most important one. : ok:

There is literally not one reason you can give NOT to hear these songs other than you like the original album.  We all do, thats not the point.  The point is those recordings are part of GNR's history and any fan of the band would want to at least have the opportunity to hear it.  If you don't listen to it, great, don't listen to it.  If this is a box set type situation it would be great to throw on there, thats what box sets are for, throwing a bunch of wacky shit out there for people to go through. 

So, is Let it Be...Naked not a Beatles album?

'Let It Be ... Naked' ?  A re-recording with only 1 actual member of the band involved ? I don't think so ...  : ok:

The original five.  I agree.  New music would be nice. 

My guess is more tour dates. Possibly with all 5 or a mix of all of them. Meaning the current line up with Izzy and Steven mixed in too. The map in the back ground and Destruction is coming just screams tour dates.

New music would be awesome. Who doesn't want to hear new music from their favorite band. I guess we will just have to cross our fingers and wait and see. Only 1 day 12 Hours and 47 minutes to wait lol.

Over 20 dates in Japan alone? Nah! Plus the fact the site is owned by Universal, who are nothing to do with touring.

I think it's already established the dots on the map are the locations of the posters.

It's an AFD box set.

I'm going out on a limb here- I don't think that sounds like Adler drumming on the SOYL clip, at all......and Axl sounds very much like he does now......

I think this has been re-recorded.

It's about time they released some box sets the lack of GnR music out there is really odd when compared to other big bands like Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and the Stones a live DVD of the recent tour which I know was filmed in LA last year should be released along with a live CD ,they could easily knock out a new album in a few months if they wanted to instead of constantly depending on a 31 year old album and the Illusions albums that are now 27 years old ,Slash recently announced new music and tour with his side project I'm thinking WTF is not with GnR

I think it has been re recorded as well. The snare does not sound like Stevens. It's more deeper like Franks.  Also Axl sounds like he did with ACDC

I imagine that?s because 21 is in the Fibonacci sequence.

GNR were, for the first time in a long time, super busy last year. I couldn?t imagine doing that tour and having the bandwidth to oversee an anniversary release of their seminal album.

The problem with that is Universal Music owns the domain. They have nothing to do with GN'R's touring business.

Ali

Nice catch ;)

But surely Guns' have enough management/record company execs/PR people to handle an anniversary edition of an album without it increasing their workload too drastically while touring :-\

It really does- the more I hear it, the more I think this. If that's the case, its going to wind up certain elements of the fanbase no end!

My own personal feeling on what this is is with the posters is acknowledging the original 5. Under the assumption that this is for some kind of AFD box set it with the recording of SOYL I think it might be a rerecording of the current  line up Axl, Slash, Duff, Richard and Frank but I guess we will find out soon enough.

Axl finally woke up, a band like Guns can not be without pitching anything for long, the return of Slash and Duff made the band big again.

The band is like a company, they leave and enter employees, it is absolutely normal if they re-recorded all the old material and make them available in a better quality, that does not detract from the old band, Matt Sorum took all the drum tracks played by Steven during the sessions of the UYI, and the merit was all for Matt Sorum, but there is the soul of Steven Adler, after all many songs included in the UYI were AFD phase

I'm curious to hear rarities like Ain't Goin Down, Indiana Ain't My Kinda Town. Shadow Of Your Love, It Tastes Good, Don't It

Bearing that in mind.....could we be looking at a re-working of the entire album, featuring the current lineup? I think that's unlikely myself, but it's an interesting thought.

I do not think they re-recorded the whole album, maybe we have precepted thoughts, maybe we will only have Shadow of Your Love, but there are a lot of unpublished songs from the AFD era, that's incredible

I Want a studio version from this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKYZtN8LtqI

Appetite for destruction 2 . That would be mega but impossible to live up to .
Personally I?m only interested in new music , not remix?s or remasters etc

i usually say nothing here about gnr and what goes on ect but i think

GUNS N ROSES AS A WHOLE

should stop raping the public for years on the old music remastering rehashing shoving down out throats the old shuff

they need to get off there ass's and release new stuff

they are loosing more fans than gaining

Hardly. GN'R is as popular as ever.

Maybe best to keep your usual stance of saying nothing about gnr then.

Having one of the biggest rock tours in recent years now equals losing fans?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Guns N' Roses hasn't released anything since the Appetite For Democracy concert disc in 2014. Where are all the remastered rehashed releases you talk of?


They don't need to do anything. Maybe you should feel less entitled and you might be able to enjoy things, instead of ranting about a situation you have zero control over... :)



/jarmo

I have no special knowledge of any of this, but I think we've maybe overlooked the .fm top-level domain, which is not only the one dedicated to the Federated States of Micronesia, but also one that, according to Wikipedia anyway, "is popular for FM radio stations and streaming audio websites." Could it be a box set or a tour announcement? Sure, but I find it strange that it would use the .fm domain. Of course, I don't know any more about such things than what I just learned on Wikipedia, so take this with a boulder-sized grain of salt.  :peace:

Maybe a combination?

They could be using the domain now to announce a box set, then continue to use it for some sort of streaming thing.

My game consoles double as pretty much any disc based physical media players. And we have a turntable for vinyl. I highly doubt there are many people that have zero devices capable of playing a CD.....they moght not be cd players, but.....

Of course I would prefer that this clock ticking would end with the announcement of a new album. But a box set of AFD would be pretty sweet. And to be honest, any news, is good news  :peace:

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There we go.

Remastered AFD ++

4 discs

Release date on June 29

Prerty steep pricing for 4 discs....seems a lot when metallica offered ten cds, a vinyl, a casette and two dvds in their box for not much more.....

 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CPDVQYW/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_XqL6Ab6VGMF6R

I will be buying this without a doubt. The pricing seems bonkers though for 4 discs. There must be more goodies at $180 than what is listed...

Got to be. 4 discs at that price is so out of sync with other releases that there must be more to it....

Yeah, I think either incomplete info on the number of discs. Or there will be lots of other stuff in the box. Or both.

Hopefully. I'd find it very difficult to justify spending that if not. Looking around at similar products though for that price tag there is usually a lot more atuff, so I think we could be looking at incomplete info. Universal aren't daft, and will be able what people will and won't pay, based on similar past releases.

Just a hypothetical question lets say it were only 4 discs if they contained music never heard before would you still consider that price to be too high? I certainly respect anyone who thinks so just wondering what peoples thoughts would be if it had unheard of songs before.

Hard to say what are we looking at here now. I'm spending enough on the gigs this summer already.

https://youtu.be/CpVrCQv3m7c

Looks like a good deal to me.  Pre-ordered it right away

49 unreleased tracks?! FORTY-NINE?!  :beer:

I knew you guys would be happy, this has been the hardest secret I have ever had to keep!

That is a lot of stuff. It isn't just 4 CDs.

Ali

USB stick for you non-cd player owning people. :P

I?m sure the 49 unreleased tracks are just demos and outtakes of the songs we know.

Are we happy? This is too much :beer:

Don't say that

I would love SO much if the AFD 5 would do a press conference together to kick this off.

unreleased tracks and unheard tracks are 2 different things.

The YouTube links have disappeared and there's no info on the Amazon site.  If there are 49 unreleased tracks I'm in. Amazing news.

Really hope it includes the late 90s re-recorded versions.  Couldn't care less whether it's "real GNR."  The songs are the Appetite songs, and I'll always want to hear cool takes on the song regardless of who the musicians are.  Obviously, when it's Axl making the "covers" I'm much more interested.  I just fear they're going to be left out of this to not ruffle feathers with the original members.  Too bad, those versions should see the light of day.

Now Im waiting for Illussions and Chinese deluxe boxes  ( in different versions bellow 650 dollars) and new music.

Yes!   :beer: :drool: :beer:

I really doubt there is 49 unrealeased and heard trucks...I hear about 12 unrealeased tracks...
So I excepted more than 20 unheard tracks

20 hours left.. im gotta stay up late tonight.. or maybe get outa bed early.. :hihi: :peace:

So, Do you think there are new songs never heard among 49 tracks. Not only demos, or Versions of other appetite songs..

G n R central have an apparent tracklisting - most of the unreleased songs are things like 'Rocket Queen first take 1986', 'November rain - first take, etc. Stuff that you can already hear on YouTube. There are 25 songs like that then lots of demos like Jumpin Jack Flash/ Heartbreak Hotel. The only thing that I'd never seen was a track called 'unreleased demo '1986'. Interesting for a collector.

Even with the $179 price tag, it?s now ranking #17 on Amazon under CD?s and vinyl.

From TripleM in Australia, apparantly they?ve confirmed Shadow as a single release tomorrow.



The Locked N Loaded reissue will feature 73 tracks across four CDs and seven 12-inch LPs.

It is due out on June 29th.

The original album has been remastered from the analogue master tapes, while the Live ?!*@ Like a Suicide EP, another EP of B-sides and a series of unreleased tracks will be present as well.

The super deluxe version contains a 96-page book with unreleased photos from Axl Rose?s archive, 12 lithographs visualising each song from the album and some replica memorabilia from the era.

holy fucking shit can I pre order this now from the uk?!?

I bet they had to borrow some stuff out of your collection  ;D

Yea, most likely. They probably count demos, different version of songs as part of the?49 unreleased songs?. I?m womdering about the BLU RAY tho. Anyone know what that?s about.

I would love it to be a show from the not in this lifetime tour but very much doubt it, If I had to pick a show I think the philli one sounded the best out of all the shows but slane and London were amazing too as I was there haha

So, the only pricing we've seen is that $179 on Amazon US?

People are throwing around figures of $650, but I can't find too much basis for that other than rumour. $650 is an insane amount of money - now way could I afford that.

Wondering if the 179 is purely the cd's? 650 is a lot jesus

179 for four cds is also insane. The recent Prince reissue had 4 cds and was priced under $20!

i herd there is to be 2 versions of this box set

Where from?

deluxe and super deluxe maybe?

guess we have to be patient and wait!

i was on a website forget witch 1 but it said there is going to be a delux and a super delux

amazon

Appetite For Destruction
Deluxe Edition, Super Deluxe Edition

video is here

http://musicfeeds.com.au/news/looks-like-guns-n-roses-accidentally-announced-their-appetite-for-destruction-deluxe-edition/

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/guns-n-roses-remastered-and-expanded-edition-of-appetite-for-destruction-due-in-june/

you tube listen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7kR-dNYKV0

Guns N? Roses Reveal Appetite for Destruction ?Locked and Loaded? Video!
Guns N? Roses revealed on YouTube their upcoming Locked N? Loaded Box set for Appetite for Destruction! No price point has been revealed but some people are throwing around the $650 number for this super deluxe version. There?s also thought to be a lower SKU version at $179.99 US that was listed on Amazon. The release date is confirmed to be June 29, 2018 as previously reported on our blog. The super deluxe version features a shit ton of amazing stuff including:

Embossed Faux Leather and Wood Cabinet
Handmade 3D Cross
Super deluxe edition: 96 page handbound book with unreleased photos from Axl Rose?s personal archive
4 CD?s in total with 73 total tracks featuring 49 unreleased tracks
1 blu ray audio disc with new 5.1 surround sound mixes
Seven 12″ 180 Gram LPS
Original Album expanded into two LPs
First ever album remaster from analogue tapes
Limited Edition foil slipcase
4th side hologroove hologram
1 LP B-Sides  N? EPs and Live Like a Suicide EP
3LP Sound City Session and 25 unreleased songs from the 1986 session
2 unreleased tracks from Mike Clink Sessions
7 7″ singles on yellow vinyl
12 New illustration lithos visualizing each song from Appetite for Destruction
Turntable Mat
6 Replica Gig Flyers
Welcome to the Jungle Video Invite Flyer
Microfiber Cleaning Cloth
6 Iron-On Stitched Logo Patches
5 Metal Guitar Picks
3 Replica Ticket Stubs
5 metal Band Skull Lapel Pins
2-Inch Collectable Coin
5 buttons
7″ adapter
5 Metal Band Skull Rings
USB Stick
5 Never-Before Seen Band Member Photo Lithos
6 Temporary Band Member Tattoos
Robert Williams Painting Litho
Two Wall Posters
Custom bandana With Silver Metallica Ink
Replica 85?/86′ Concert Banner Featuring Numbered Certificate of Authenticity

Holllyyyy shit that looks incredible.

2 LPs, this is gonna sound great.

I have to say, if the prices being thrown around are true, I can't possibly justify paying them, or afford them, sad as that sounds.

According to a poster on the MYGNRFORUM?S the 1986 Sound City recordings feature the following songs

Out Ta Get Me (take 1) [unreleased]
Rocket Queen (take 1) [unreleased]
Rocket Queen (take 2) [unreleased]
Nightrain [unreleased]
My Michelle [unreleased]
You?re Fuckin? Crazy [unreleased]
Paradise City [unreleased]
Move To The City (take 1) [unreleased]
Move To The City (take 2) [unreleased]
November Rain (acoustic) [unreleased]
November Rain (piano) [unreleased]
Shadow Of Your Love [unreleased]
Reckless Life [unreleased]
Think About You [unreleased]
Welcome To The Jungle [unreleased]
Don?t Cry [unreleased]
Nice Boys (take 3) [unreleased]
Back Off Bitch [unreleased]
Anything Goes [unreleased]
Mama Kin [unreleased]
Heartbreak Hotel (take 2) [unreleased]
Ain?t Goin? Down (no lyrics) [unreleased]
Jumpin? Jack Flash (take 2) [unreleased]
Jumpin? Jack Flash (acoustic) [unreleased]
Move To The City (acoustic) [unreleased]
Untitled Song In Progress [unreleased]
You?re Crazy (acoustic) [unreleased]
The Plague [unreleased]
Cornshucker Stomp [unreleased]

The only ?new? one for me is The Plague... but this is exactly what I tought it would be. Any hard core fan has already heard all these songs.. Including CrashDiet, Too Much Too Soon, Sentimentel Movie etc etc etc. Still buying this tho

Looks cool, but I could go to Costa Rica and back for the same price. I still want to buy it anyway.  :hihi:

ok this is pretty fucking cool

If they offer just the music in CD or digital format for, say, 30?40 bucks, I'll buy it. I'll probably pass, though, on the three-digit price point for a box full of (admittedly cool) trinkets.

Regardless, anything that puts GN'R on marquees and billboards is a net positive in my book!

That' my hope too really. Or that the prices are wrong of course!

tempted to pay for all of it, do we think it's worth it?

Just pre-ordered from Amazon. Can't wait for this shit!!!

If it is indeed $650, then no, personally I don't think it's worth it.

But no need to include me in your decision! Thanks for asking though!

the Super deluxe version was only like $180 on Amazon.

Seems like the only thing missing from the super deluxe version is an official GNR turntable to play the albums on. For that price you'd think they would include a stereo with it  :hihi:

But we don't know what's in it. Indications seem to be that it's 4 discs, so 'only' becomes a little redundant in my view....

pretty sure they'll update the info on it tomorrow : ok:

If June 29 is the release date, then what happens May 4?

probably the official announcement.

shadow of your love is being released as a single tomorrow. First single in 10 years, and it's a 30 year old song.

Great...another cover song.  ;D This all sounds cool, but damn some new music would be killer.

That's the most GN'R thing I've read today.

give us the main course Fernando. Not the crumbs, please!

What is the main course?

Ali

The General, Jackie Chan, Soul Monster, Atlas Shrugged, Checkmate etc etc etc etc

edit* good to see you Ali, it's been a while!

The only thing I want out of all that stuff is the cds. I hope they release something that focuses exclusively on the music. Else I have to pass.

This link isn't working for me anymore. :(

Working for anyone else?

are you not interested in the blue ray or everything else? i'm torn because the collectable stuff looks amazing but if the price is true then it's a bit shit, very expensive.

do you think a full remastered appetite will be a part of the cd's with new vocals etc?

taken it down by the looks of it

I think the Bluray might be just audio of Appetite. That's fairly standard in boxsets now.

such a waste of blueray if it's just audio!

5.1 surround mix I think. Of no use of course unless you have full surround sound speakers setup!

I would totally pay 180 for all that stuff.

There  is no way the price for all that stuff is 180.

I would not pay 650 for all that stuff, and I think 180 might be a bit steep for JUST music.

We'll see.  I've snagged my preorder for the 180 sku and will keep/cancel as we get more info. :)

Incorrect.

They just took the list of total tracks recorded at Sound City from Marc Canter's book.  ::)

What do you mean ?  It's an AFD deluxe boxset for god's sake ... Those are not even GNR songs !

I think that sums it up for a lot of people. The huge marketing campaign for something that is only of relatively niche interest (with that niche also being pared down by the apparent pricing) seems a little strange to me. Not that many people buy boxsets - so spending so much on advertising one suggests there might be more to all this.

Have they spent so much on advertising though? It's been a clever campaign, but I bet it didn't cost too much. A lot of people will buy this package to coincide with the tour.

Posters all over the world? I'd say so. That's a lot of local printing/distribution advertising companies you have to hire.

I wish they included a mini documentary of the AFD album recordings, etc and a live remastered show on video but still the boxset looks great!  :beer:

Just a thought I had, maybe they could use the gnr.fm domain in the future for digital sales of shows. Not only from the Appetite era, but from every tour.

Lossless, proper mixed and mastered shows would be awesome. Mainly for the hardcore fans yes, but GN'R has quite a few of them.

that would be awesome, hope they use that fm website for bootlegs!!

good for you.

I hate nostalgia.

i wonder if the music is going to be available for streaming...
i kinda understand now why Axl was  calling Tim Cook the same shit as trump.. Since Apple will stop selling albums through Itunes and just offer everything to apple music subscribers and in this particular case they would prefer to sell in Itunes.

I hope it is available to buy digitally and eventually streaming... I don’t even know where my CD player is these days :/

The Locked N' Loaded package has an USB with music.

Not sure if that will accompany any of the other packages.

I preordered on Amazon, it came to 200 bucks.

Anyone know if you can get this from the UK at all?

If the $180 version is the one that comes with ALL THAT STUFF, I might need to...um.....clean myself up.

Because it's the best deal in music collectibles I've ever seen, short of dusty finds on FYE's clearance rack.

I assume a worldwide release.

The posters were all over the world.

I think the $180 might be right.  The stuff in the box looks amazing, but unless I missed something, nothing in there is of any actual value(its all reprints not original posters,vinyls, ticket stubs etc..)  I'm with you though, if that thing is $180 it is a great deal and  I'm buying it tonight as soon as the preorders on the GNR website go up.  For something to be $650 or whatever number has been floating around it would have to involve signed copies of vinyls,original show posters, used picks and all that, and even that sounds high.  In just under 5 hours we will officially see  what the damage will be.   :hihi:


EDIT:  Ok so I just saw the unboxing video for the second time, yeah $180 seems on the low side for this, it's a ridiculous amount of stuff crammed in that beautifully crafted box...damn it.

the shadow of your love snippet on the web sounds different to all the previous versions out there

I'm curious about Ain't Going Down, Crash Diet, Too Much too Soon, Heartbreak Hotel... I'd love to listen to them with such the quality that this new Shadow of Your Love track seems to have

I think this was a brilliant viral marketing campaign that has really turned into something huge. I am excited about this and looking forward to the future of GNR 😆

So if I am reading amazon correctly it lists deluxe edition, super delux edition im taking it as their will be two options and that $180 has gotta be the delux edition and most likely haven't priced out yet the super one yet which will probably come out when it is officially announced in a few hours.

The 180 is the super deluxe version on Amazon.


They have three listed....


https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_16?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=guns+n+roses+appetite+for+destruction&sprefix=guns+n+roses+app%2Cpopular%2C139&crid=SHLUGVDVPR0

Well i placed my pre order for super delux edition crossing fingers this is worth it lol  :peace:

me too sir. :beer:

1 more hour to go. I'm still secretly hoping for some sort of video. Although seems to be highly unlikely at this point. This band just doesn't like to release much video footage. God, I'd love them to be a bit like The Rolling Stones!

A thousand dollars. PASS!

Shadow Of Your Love is now on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/5tqSUxm3Wpql0dlLMrIAp1?si=z7_65kseSiCJ0ujo_GJlpQ

Youtube lyric video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHUmy5PvPjQ

 8)



/jarmo

?150 just to get all the audio does seem a bit steep in the age where people are used to getting everything for less than ?10 a month but I guess it is marketed as a collectible so you can pretty much put any price tag on that you want.

Just psyched about Shadiw of Your Love!!  :)

Why the huge leap up in price - ?13 for 2cd.....to ?150 for an extra couple of discs and a box? That seems mad to me.

No way could I pay these prices.

Shadow of your love is awesome : ok:

Shadow of your love, sounds great !

Shadow of your love is so good. Passing on the 800 pound box, no way I'm paying that. Gone with the super deluxe instead.

I?m a bit confused as to which version of ?Shadow of Your Love? has been released as a single (and on Spotify) as looking at the tracklists there appears to be 3 versions of this song on the super deluxe set -

Shadow Of Your Love
Shadow Of Your Love (1986 Sound City Session)
Shadow Of Your Love (Live)

Which one is it? The top one? If so when was that one recorded?

Also am I correct in thinking ?GNR Lies? is included in this set but with ?One In A Million? omitted? It looks like the other 3 songs are present.

The entire album is on Apple Music. But you can only listen to shadow of your love.

This is cool, we will be able to stream :)

Seems to be the top one. I'll say its vocals of that time too but the mix sounds more current. Yeah seems like one in a million  is removed, probably the whole 'controversial' thing.

"Shadow of Your Love" sounds really great!  I'm thinking about which version I'm going to order.  Rolling Stone also just reported that ALL of the audio from the box set will be made available on digital streaming and download platforms, which is great because I have no idea where to play a CD in 2018, aside from one of my old blu ray players. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/guns-n-roses-detail-massive-appetite-for-destruction-box-set-w519800

The $999 option is 'limited' to 10,000 copies. Are they really gonna move that many?

The links for the european stores doesn't seem to work. :(

The ?850 box set is way out of my price range but I?ll certainly be looking at the ?150 which I can manage.

It seems like the german store works if you type just "de.gnrmerch.com" in the browser.

BTW, what is the correct lyric for Shadow of your love: Is it "living like a LEMON, ain't so hot"?

Very intriguing but very little of this stuff is newly available.  For me, not worth the prices being reported.  I am glad that no re-recorded versions are being included.  Also, it is interesting that the "It's So Easy" video is finally being officially released!    8)


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/guns-n-apos-roses-detail-040210887.html (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/guns-n-apos-roses-detail-040210887.html)

Guns N' Roses Appetite for Destruction: Locked N' Loaded Track List

Disc One ? Appetite for Destruction

1. "Welcome To The Jungle"
2. "It's So Easy"
3. "Nightrain"
4. "Out Ta Get Me"
5. "Mr. Brownstone"
6. "Paradise City"
7. "My Michelle"
8. "Think About You"
9. "Sweet Child O' Mine"
10. "You're Crazy"
11. "Anything Goes"
12. "Rocket Queen"

Disc Two ? B-sides N' EPs

1. "Reckless Life"
2. "Nice Boys"
3. "Move To The City (Live)
4. "Mama Kin"
5. "Shadow Of Your Love" (Live)
6. "You?re Crazy" (Acoustic Version)
7. "Patience"
8. "Used To Love Her"
9. "You?re Crazy"
10. "It?s So Easy" (Live)
11. "Knockin? On Heaven's Door" (Live)
12. "Whole Lotta Rosie" (Live)

Disc Three ? 1986 Sound City Session

1. "Welcome To The Jungle" (1986 Sound City Session)
2. "Nightrain" (1986 Sound City Session)
3. "Out Ta Get Me" (1986 Sound City Session)
4. "Paradise City" (1986 Sound City Session)
5. "My Michelle" (1986 Sound City Session)
6. "Think About You" (1986 Sound City Session)
7. "You?re Crazy" (1986 Sound City Session)
8. "Anything Goes" (1986 Sound City Session)
9. "Rocket Queen" (1986 Sound City Session)
10. "Shadow Of Your Love" (1986 Sound City Session)
11. "Heartbreak Hotel" (1986 Sound City Session)
12. "Jumpin' Jack Flash" (1986 Sound City Session)

Disc Four ? 1986 Sound City Session and More

1. "Shadow Of Your Love"
2. "Move To The City" (1986 Sound City Session)
3. "Ain?t Goin? Down No More" (Instrumental Version - 1986 Sound City Session)
4. "The Plague" (1986 Sound City Session)
5. "Nice Boys" (1986 Sound City Session)
6. "Back Off Bitch" (1986 Sound City Session)
7. "Reckless Life" (1986 Sound City Session)
8. "Mama Kin" (1986 Sound City Session)
9. "New Work Tune" (1986 Sound City Session)
10. "November Rain" (Piano Version - 1986 Sound City Session)
11. "Move To The City" (Acoustic Version - 1986 Sound City Session)
12. "You're Crazy" (Acoustic Version - 1986 Sound City Session)
13. "November Rain" (Acoustic Version - 1986 Sound City Session)
14. "Jumpin? Jack Flash" (Acoustic Version- 1986 Sound City Session)
15. "Move To The City" (1988 Acoustic Version)

Blu-Ray Audio

1. "Welcome To The Jungle"
2. "It's So Easy"
3. "Nightrain"
4. "Out Ta Get Me"
5. "Mr. Brownstone"
6. "Paradise City"
7. "My Michelle"
8. "Think About You"
9. "Sweet Child O' Mine"
10. "You're Crazy"
11. "Anything Goes"
12. "Rocket Queen"

Bonus Tracks

1. "Shadow Of Your Love"
2. "Patience"
3. "Used To Love Her"
4. "You?re Crazy"
5. "Move To The City" (1988 Acoustic Version)

Music Videos

1. "Welcome To The Jungle"
2. "Sweet Child O' Mine"
3. "Paradise City"
4. "Patience"
5. "It's So Easy" (Brand New Video From 1989)

Where's "One in a million"?  ;D :P :'( ;)

Let me google it for you ::)

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/politically-incorrect

It would've been cool if they tried but the shitstorm would've been so amazing and they, of course, know it.

Well I?m pleased for all of you who are excited 😊. However if this was the big news that Fernando talked about at New Year
I?m a bit gutted , I was hoping for new songs . However , as Axl said this ain?t McDonald?s .
Happy for you guys , I won?t be parting with my cash tho

It's the top one. Produced by Mike Clink. It's from 1986 I believe.

 So ...

- No Mystic Studio '85 session : 5 tracks we'll NEVER hear in pristine quality

- No Pasha Studio '86 session : 13 tracks we'll NEVER hear in pristine quality

- 5 million replica memorabilia items which have ZERO purpose

They had ONE chance, and they blew it ...

... this is GNR, people !  ::)

...according to this ONE person.

Always finding the negatives, I notice you didn't list the tracks that are actually in the box set.

They didn't blow it. The pricing for the top tier version is too steep imo, but other than that, this is a welcome addition for any GN'R fan. Well, except you I guess.

Maybe this 'band' should stop providing so many negatives ???

Even the Studio City stuff is incomplete ...

This thing is negative in your mind only.

I'm holding on to my preorder via Amazon for now....looking at the version on the GnR site, there's more than just music there.  There's a bunch of merch too.  I think there's a $40 that looks to be just audio.

The only thing I wish is there was a usb drive with digital versions of the music.  OR, a "code" to get access to it via spotify/itunes.

GNR is my all-time favorite band.  However, I laughed at the $1,000 price tag this morning. Even $180 for songs that I have or heard previously as demos is a bit much. They seem to forget that their main fanbase is in their 30s & 40s. Right when people have families or starting families along with having a mortgage, car payments, saving for college/retirement, etc.  I'm on the fence for $180 and possibly a no. For concert tickets, it's one thing since those are expensive for other bands and music artists, unfortunately. For this, there was no need unless they had included several more discs that are concerts.

If you want the music only (all four discs), it will be available on iTunes for $30-$40 I believe.

Amazon has the digital version of the super deluxe version (just music) for like $29.

https://www.amazon.com/Appetite-Destruction-Explicit-Super-Deluxe/dp/B07CQSXPCV/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1525430979&sr=8-16&keywords=appetite+for+destruction

The $180 version is on the high side for what you're getting, but it's not out of the realm of reason with the merch that's included (and that slip case is pretty cool).

I agree: The 1k version isn't, to me, a good value.  You take a bunch of that stuff and get the AFD5 to sign it and maybe.....

I might go for the $180 one. The photo book is probably a cool thing, as well as the lithos.

Yeah, I'm holding on to my preorder for now.  I'll decide for sure as we get closer.

I routinely pay $150 for video game collectors editions...I don't see this as being much more expensive.

Thanks Pilferk! This is more reasonable. I have a gifft card that I got from Christmas so I'll use that for the Amazon MP3. With that being said, I still think it's a bit much for the $180 and $1k options.

It's the huge price jump from the 2cd to the 4cd version that really gets to me. If that $180 box had been, say $50 or $60, then OK, and I'd have ordered it. But I just can't see why any extra two discs and a box mean it's SO much more expensive.

I'm really deflated by all this, I have to say. I feel a bit like I've been targeted as a mug by a major record label.

I agree it could have been a bit lower in price.

It's not just 2 extra discs though.

Apart from the 96 page book and a couple songs i havent heard yet like The Plague. This seems pretty meh to me.

Im not really a demo guy (allthought the Led Zeppelin reissue companion discs were nice)


Hearing Appetite and almost the whole GNR Lies album with more compression was exactly something i was hoping not to happen.

That said im maybe buying it for the book. (the 180$ version) Probably i will listen the demos through maybe once or twice, and stick to the origial AFD.


Im happy for all of you who are over the moon about this.

Call me a party pooper all you want. This is just my opinion.

I mean, it's a little bit more than the case and a couple extra cds. ;)

In perspective: I just bought the God of War Stone Mason Edition.  It came with the game (with some extra digital content), a steel book, a 13 inch x 15 inch statue (thats mega fucking cool), a cloth map, a ring, 2 inch figures, a sticker, and a keychain. It was $150.

And that's pretty close to representative of what you see in that market.  Granted, games are close to $60 which is about 4x the price of a new, single CD.

BUT, you're getting:

96-page Hardcover Book with Unreleased Photos from Axl?s Personal Archive and a Bombardment of Memorabilia

Simulated-Leather Wrapped Slipcase and Book Cover with Embossed GN?R Logos

4 CDs:
73 Total Tracks ? 49 Tracks Previously Unreleased
First Ever Album Remaster from Original Analog Tapes

12 Tracks from B-SIDES N? EPS Newly Remastered from Original Analog Tapes

25 Unreleased Recordings from 1986 SOUND CITY SESSION

2 Unreleased Recordings from Mike Clink Sessions:
?Shadow Of Your Love? ? from December 1986 Mike Clink tryout session
?Move To The City (1988 Acoustic Version)? ? from GN?R LIES sessions

1 Blu-ray Audio Disc:
New 96kHz 24-bit 5.1 Surround Sound Mixes from Original Analog Multi-tracks
Original Album Mixed by Elliot Scheiner
5 Bonus Tracks Mixed by Elliot Scheiner & Frank Filipetti
All songs feature brand new animations
4 Original Music Videos in 5.1
Unreleased 1989 ?It?s So Easy? Video in 5.1

5 Previously Unseen Band Member Lithos

?Welcome To The Jungle? Video Invite Flyer ? Originally Drawn by Slash

Robert Williams Painting Litho 12?x24?

Temporary Band Member Tattoos

3 Replica Ticket Stubs

1 Wall Poster 24?x36?

AND, though it's not in this list, the unboxing video for the Super Deluxe shows the early gig flyers, too.  So....not sure on those. Maybe.

That's a decent amount of Merch.  Now, you may or may not find value in that merch, but it's a package that's comparable to what other CEs are out on the market, and the price isn't that much higher than other media CE's.

Its steep, I get it.  $200 is nothing to sneeze at.  I'm calling this my birthday present from the wife and kids (they were thrilled when I told them this  ;D ;)  ).  But I don't think it's SO out of whack.

The 1k version...I think they're overreaching, but the proof will be in the pudding.  If they sell them all....

And if not, we'll see them slowly discounted on the store til they hit a price point that clears them out.

As an aside: The box in the 1k version is fucking stellar.

I'm gonna wait to serve judgment until I actually hear the result.

We might get something punchy and dynamic.

True - there's some other bits. So double the cost of the 2cd (that's $40) and add, let's be generous, another $40 for the box, and posters. Still only $80.

I just think back to that Prince reissue - 3cds and a Dvd for under $25. That's a great price.

You may be surprised on the compression front.

AFD's digital master was done very early in the CD age and the transition from analog to digital was not great. Most of us are not routinely listening to the vinyl, analog, master.  We're listening to the digital, CD master (which is the progenitor of all the digital tracks available).   There are lots of little artifacts and issues with that AFD master that they may clean up. The japanese remaster, for instance, I think sounds better than the original (which can be a little muddy in spots, and Duffs bass is a little thin) digital master. But it does add some harshness in the high end.  The original vinyl (which was the target format for AFD's original mastering), especially the German pressing, AFD is definitive, and we'll have to see how it compares to the vinyls in Locked and Loaded.

I'm interested to see what they've done hear.  I think Shadow sounds great, played through my home theater system, which gives me hope.  It's not perfect, but it's damn good considering what we assume the source is (30+ year old analog tapes).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpVrCQv3m7c
Here we can listen to some sneak peaks.

Yes its more punchy. Overall after hearing only this little, ill say the 87 version is closer to my taste.

Again, I have to go back to the Japanese Remaster.

It added more detail, the bass sounded better, and it "fixed" a lot of problems with the rushed original digital mastering.  While I still have my original, original AFD vinyl, cassette, and CD...the version in my car is the Japanese Remaster (because trying to get a turntable in my car would be rough).

I've never really cared for the remastering of albums personally. The reason I liked an album in the first place is how it sounded, so I never see the need for any supposed 'improvement'.

I guess there are exceptions to that rule; albums that a bad job was done in the first place, but I don't think AFD is one of them.

Good points!

Im a bit of a loudness war phobic.
That said i always though the Illusions sounds the best on cassette  ;D (the sound is more organic, if it makes sense.)

Its been a while since ive gone through my GNR vinyls but AFD indeed sounds better than the cd.

So, going from the official version of the Shadow single, in MP3 and comparing it to youtubes version that's up....I would say the MP3 version slays it in terms of quality.

Youtube's compression, for music, can be iffy.  The opening on shadow sounds like thinned out shit (comparably) on youtube.  The MP3 sounds a LOT better (even if it's still a little lossy). I can only imagine that it will sound even better directly off the disc.

I havent heard the Japanese remaster. Id have to check it out.

I'm totally on board with the loudness war thing.  But I'm a bit optimistic because CD was one of the few discs in recent memory that didn't cave to it.  AFD came out just as it was starting and it, too, bowed out of the battle.  It seems like its a conscious decision on their part (with Illusions digital mastering being the only discs putting a toe in the water, and even then.....it's track to track).  

I'm HOPING that these remasters stay out of the fray.  Shadow is a little bright, on that front, but not so much that it makes me worry.

And I agree on Illusions.  My cassettes were my "go to" til I wore them out.

Again, we'll see!

Agreed, Illusions are still fine, Chinese is on the limit.
Spaghetti Incident and Live Era went overboard on the compression.

I just checked. My AFD vinyl with the Robert Williams artwork is a German pressing, good to know i have to goods.  :D

Could any super nice person in the know, provide me with super accurate dimensions of the super-deluxe box / cabinet? Ideally to nearest mm?  :smoking:

Probably too much to ask for the accurate position & dimensions of the rubber feet too?

I'm producing a bespoke plinth / cabinet to stand it on. I know this is a total waste of money, but I'm looking at it as a piece of art rather than your usual box set. I'd really like to get this done before it arrives, for some ridiculous Indiana Jones / Raiders intro re-enactment.

I really hope the larger prints aren't folded - does anyone know how these will be presented?

I've never really found a massive need to post on forums, but I do keep up on this site and want to put a massive thanks to the creators, moderators and all who've provided so much entertainment over the years!!

Peace  : ok:

I can't get you exact dimensions.

I can give you rough estimates. 

Standard vinyl album cover is about 12.4 inches square.  Looking at the unboxing video, they fit snugly on the right side, with a tiny bit of clearance at the top (I'm guessing about .1 inches). 

The box looks to be square, with either 1/8 or 1/4 inch panels (it's hard to tell).  I'm going to guess it's 1/4 inch, because that would essentially make the box 13x13x13 which seems reasonable.   

The rubber feet look to be about a 1/4 of an inch high, and are probably around 1 inch in diameter (that's pretty standard), and the edges of the feet are set about 1/4 inch off the edges of the box at each corner.

But those are TOTAL guesses.  The general dimensions I feel pretty confident on, based on what we can see in the unboxing video.  The feet stuff is total guess work.

Edit: Those "doors" look like they may add more thickness than I thought (probably so the drawers can be accommodated).  But that would mean it's not square, but rectangular, slightly? Or the LP sleeves are not standard sized? So maybe it's 13 inches high, 14 inches deep (with padding in the back on the LP side?), and 14 inches across?  The "across" dimension is the tough one, because we have nothing in the unboxing that gives us a real frame of reference.

Huh...this is tougher than it should be. Definitely a GnR product. ;)

SOYL sounds fucking awesome  : ok:

On the remastering what do they mean by first album remastered from original analog recording?  Do they mean their first album or the first album to remastered that way?  

Whats funny is: This is pretty much exactly what I thought they'd do with the 30th Anniversary, but with a new track thrown in from this lineup.

They're just a year late. ;)

I'm still amazed we haven't seen a NITL live album/dvd.

I think that would actually have been greeted more positively by a lot of people.

I transcribed this from the lyric video:

Took my chances carelessly
I said I choked on my own cigarette
You can hand me another bottle of whiskey, baby
But you haven't seen the worst yet


Now I'm reckless, gonna have some fun
I had a woman who had said it was all alright
Now I'm back the only one


And I ain't standing, never standing in the
Shadow of your love
Shadow of your love
Shadow of your love
Shadow of your love, oh no


Stole my changes helplessly
I said yeah, but I got no regrets
Money it was on the table
So I booked with all the bets
Living like your livin' ain't so hot
You ain't my idea, of a high-rollin' shot

So I ain't standing,
I'm never standin' in the
Shadow of your love
Shadow of your love
Shadow of your love
Shadow of your love, oh no


High price calling hangin' over your head
I hope you're heard, baby all I've said
You've gone cold,  or even misread
No use crying, you're as good as dead


Now I'm reckless, gonna have some fun
I had a woman who had said it was all alright
Now I'm back the only one


And I ain't standing,
never standing in the
Shadow of your love
Shadow of your love
Shadow of your love
Shadow of your love
Shadow of your love
Shadow of your love
Shadow of your love
Shadow of your love
Shadow, shadow, sha...
Shadow of your love, oh no




/jarmo

IMO, Shadow of your Love sounds great. But I definately can hear difference from the regular AFD tracks we all have. Hopefully the remastered album will sound consistent througout.

Does anybody knows which way is the best to get for an Android smartphone? (its a Samsung Galaxy S8, if that makes any difference) I mean, sound quality wise. Spotify works while working out or taking the subway, but I would love to get a losless version to listen to while Im at home with a good pair of headphones.  

Both, I guess.

For anyone complaining about the prices on these things which I can understand the reality is people are going to buy these even the $1000 or whatever packages their are because their are people out their with money who like to have collectibles. So in the end you can either get on board and buy the music this is going to be a big seller for GNR regardless.

For pure digital, grab the MP3 version and store them on your phone. You can get them from amazon (I posted a link earlier in the thread).  They're gonna take some space, though....probably about 3 GB or so (700mb per CD-ish plus a little bit)  I'm not sure if the S8 will play flaccs, but if they do, you could grab the CD and rip your own less lossy versions.

Streaming, of all types, are going to introduce compression and loss.  If you're looking for fidelity, they're all about the same....which is to say "Not ideal".

So you're saying because some people can afford it, we all should? Hmmm.....disagree there I'm afraid.

I'm a firm believer in buying physical music items and supporting bands, so it's a bit galling to be priced out, when I didn't need to be. I'm one example of a sale they've probably lost, and I bet there are a lot more like me.

I think what GNR4LifeJD is saying is "The market rules".

I know it's frustrating to be priced out...I get it.  It's a bummer. And I hate to see fans who WANT a product not be able to GET that product because they see the pricing/value as out of whack.  And I totally get the feeling it's "not fair". I've been there.

But what GNR4LifeJD is saying is: We might not like the pricing, we may wish it were less expensive, but people will buy these in enough numbers that they'll sell out.  So "losing your sale", really......not to be glib, but...it doesn't matter.  Someone else will take "your" place in line and they will still all be bought and paid for.

And yes: That's a little harsh, but....

We'll see if that's true. 1K is steep. 10K units isn't a tiny number.  We'll see if they can get the all out the door or not. The good news is: If they don't, we'll see discounts on the GnR store til they hit a price point where the market buys up the rest.

I think the 180 package will do brisk business, and probably "sell out" (I know they're not saying it's a limited edition, but I think it functionally is).

Had to dig in Apple Music to find SOYL. It?s updated in the GNR essentials.

Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. I'll probably buy the Amazon version then. The only way I can play the CD here is on my ps4, lol. 3 GB is fine, I dont have that many stuff stored on my device anyways.

Found out that my phone can play 32 bit/384kHz audio files (https://news.samsung.com/global/everything-youve-wanted-to-know-about-the-galaxy-s8s-audio-features). From what I know, the VLC Android app can also play FLAC. :)

Correct.

Yeah, I mean business is business and all that.......but it's a shame things have to be this way in the music industry today. Good luck to those who can afford to pay these prices, but it's a shame they might not be the biggest fans, but those with the most money. I'm one of the 'sleeping rough overnight to see the band live in far off locations' type people, throughout their career, and I think we're the sort of people that modern industry practices doesn't value at all, when in fact it's our enthusiasm through thick and thin that keeps a lot of bands going.

You're right though - it'll sell, among a certain type of people.

It's a damn shame that gnr doesn't offer a version of just vinyls or just the blu ray. I personally don't care about lithographs and jewelry and shit. I'd even take just that USB stick with the lossless files. Instead they locked it all behind a thousand dollar pay wall.

Even the super deluxe is just cd's. I haven't played a cd in like 5 years.

I'm pretty disappointed overall.

If they sold a version of just the vinyls (not even those seven singles), blu ray and USB stick without all the bells and whistles they could get 300 bucks out of me.

And as far as saying "this'll sell", they limited it to 10,000 copies so they already capped their sales. They're missing out on releasing a version of just the vinyl.

Really hope that we?ll see that sooner or later.

If they were selling the big box for $25 I still wouldn?t want it. Where does a normal person even store that kind of stuff? I?m just not into random niknaks at all. I don?t even feel like reading through the list of items. Totally irrelevant to me. The music is the only thing with significance.

The problem is that the market isn't Universal, GNR, or GNR's management. The market is the fan, casuals, and possibly collectors.

You can get all the audio on digital for $25.

Ali

Just as a comparison, U2 will release the 30th anniversary box set of the Joshua Tree. Super Deluxe set is priced at $170. This is just a bit disappointing.  https://u2.fanfire.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Store.woa/wa/product?sourceCode=U2TWEBWWUSD&sku=U2T71595

Do we know if Amazon will be selling the $999 version, or will that only be available through Guns' website?

Thanks Jarmo!

No worries! :)






/jarmo

Exactly, and thats a great deal.  I see people shitting on the $1,000 dollar box, but the band did provide a bunch of affordable options here.  As far as the price of the box, I agree, ridiculously overpriced.  Nothing in that box is original, its all reprints, CD's(i can't believe they still make those) and brand new vinyls pressed in 2018.  It would be once thing if the vinyl singles were original from the 1980's or some of the flyers or tickets were original but they are essentially worth the paper they are printed on monetarily speaking.  I'm not ripping on it, it is a beautifully made box set,  I am just questioning the $1,000 dollar price tag. It seems to be loaded with knick knacks which hold zero value to someone like me, but I could see people being into that.  The cool thing is the band gave us a bunch of options, and if the music is all that matters to you, which seems to be the prevailing theme in a lot of posts I've read, you will be able to access that for a bargain price IMO.

Its a shame in a sense, that they didnt leave the Wake up time to die bit on shadow of your love. I used to put it as an alarm clock.  :hihi:

Shadow of Your Love is amazing! Did the band work on this or it?s just a demo remastered? Axl?s voice sounds differently than I remember from the demo that I heard. Great job anyway! Love it!

Is it the same version?


/jarmo

The biggest thing I see from this is that they missed out on a great opportunity to engage with the fans by releasing at least one new song with the current lineup or something in the vault. As a band, they will not be around for a year or two. The digitals are not that bad in cost, but it's already been heard.  I was excited to hear about "Plague" but that's only 54 seconds.  I just think this was a missed opportunity.

For everyone that's curious, this version of Shadow of Your Love is from a November 1986 one song session they did with Mike Clink as a trial to see if they wanted to hire him.  The Dec 86 description on the website is a bit of a misprint

Oh please. Axl was, what, 26 when he wrote that? Clearly, based on his opinions of Trump, he has grown up in the past 30 years...

I?ve had Shadow of Your Love on the LALD maxi single, an official Geffen release, for 25 years. When they say previously unreleased, is this a different version from that one? Love the song btw. One of those whole package songs where they are all totally locked in.

u can find alot of these demos on the 2 box sets the story vol 1,2

no, there's some extra back up vocals.

SOYL sounds really cool and I like the video. I really wish they could have just developed one song like 'the plague' or re-recorded 'crash diet'. I think it would have been very possible to do. There's nothing recent there to reflect the current band's position.

The "Wake up, time to die" version will be in the box set, on the "B-Sides n' EPs" disc.

The $1000 boxset is clearly a POS. I was laughing when I saw the junk they put in it. I?m looking forward to hearing the album remastered and that?s about it. The rest, meh. Hope it all shows up on Tidal so I can stream it at CD quality before making a decision on purchasing the LPs or 24bit files.

Yeah. That was my point. They didn't leave something, that probably wasn't there, out.  :hihi:



/jarmo

Troubador show would've been good to have been thrown in with this. First official release with 3/5 of the Appetite band, would be very fitting as that was the first show of the return of this band.

Maybe if they are free and clear of the record company after this release they will release the Troubador or other live material for NITL

So you think it was a personal decision and not a marketing one?

probably both

Oh!! I didn?t know that. Thank you    :peace:

Both. You just don't want to be involved in any of these scandals we nowadays have.

as a South American fan, wanna express my sadness cause we dont have a local seller to make this merchs a little less expensive avoiding abusive custom fees. Who r argentinian n brazilian fans in GnR world, right? WE R THE FREAKIN CRAZY CROWD!

This is what I was hoping for.  The Locked and Loaded version is to much and I'm not interested in all the memorabilia in the Super Deluxe but I am interested in all the music that you can't get in the 2 CD set.

You want the story well here it is:

So obviously they were looking to put old stuff (flyers, demos, pictures, etc.) on the boxset.  Why they aren?t all on there I don?t know, but I have heard hints about future releases so we will see.  No guarantees there.  They contacted a person I bought something from and that person referred them to me.  Initially it was just for that one item.  We arranged a time to talk.  On the phone I told them about my collection and had them check out my website while we were talking.  They wanted to buy the banner right off the bat but I said I wasn?t interested at this time before a price was ever even raised.  They were blown away and at that point the plans for the boxset changed a bit.  But I think they always had a certain release date they were aiming for because I only had a day to box everything I had from 1985-1989/90 and send it to them. 

Before I did that I independently verified who I was talking with on the phone, after all I am no idiot.  Still I was nervous sending all that and UPS insurance only goes so high.  But I figured what the hell.  Everything arrived safely and they got to work.  They had it for a little over a month and arranged times for management and the band to come by and check everything out.  I can say that Slash and Duff were involved, this wasn?t just Axl.  They told me my name would be in the credits, that I would be receiving x, y, and z, etc.  The person that referred them to me said I should ask them for $ for using the stuff I own.  Now I may be an asshole, but I am not a complete and total fucking asshole so no way in hell was I going to extort any band, let alone my favorite band, to use stuff that is theirs to begin with!

Everything came back in the same condition I lent it to them.  But I was nervous about the shipping once again!  And all that time I had to keep this from all of you.  It was agonizing!  If I had known the price plan ahead of time I would have done what little I could to try to help you guys out.  This is the reason I also removed the links to the demo I posted originally.  Yes, it wasn?t used in this boxset, but like I said perhaps in the future.

I wish this band remastered crash diet, big lost opportunity.

BWTTER (Remix)

 :drool:

Because it's a little known fact that the AFD line up has recorded it back in 1986  ::)

I think it's a huge bummer they left out One In A Million. First off, because it's my fave track off of Lies and second, because I wanted to hear it re-mastered too. And third, now it feels incomplete. Yeah, it it's politcally incorrect, but damn it's one of their most powerful songs because of its honesty.

Here's my politcally correct disclaimer: I am a 100% gay man and not at all offended by its lyrics. Like someone said, it's a 26 year old's view on the world. Censorship is fucking stupid.

SOYL been removed from YouTube already ?

I totally agree. Crash diet sounds so amazing just as a demo.

The official one? No, it?s there.

This is awesome , thank you!  I bet they were completely amazed by your collection, you're 100% the right person to have been involved - good on you. I bet posting it all off and waiting for them was massively tense!!

Thanks for the details! Weirdly, i did think of you when i saw the replica banner, as i knew you had the original. I was also wondering what level of input the band had into all this- I guess some, by what you were saying. Who coordinated it all? I'm assuming the record label?

Since they made the ridiculous decision NOT to include the Mystic session (and Pasha for that matter), if it weren't for you, we would've never had a gen 1 rip in fantastic quality, so I thank you sir !!!

Seems like they ripped you off though, you paid a lot of money for all your stuff, a lot of which went into their pockets, and now they're gonna earn big box on it AGAIN for free ...

Why they decided to include memorabilia over music to celebrate an album, I guess we'll never know ...

Thanks for this, Jarmo!!!

I'm assuming it's due to the customs / import taxes.

I wouldn't be surprised if some seller will import some copies to sell, but considering how much certain imported things cost in Brazil, those prices might not make it more affordable for the fans there....



/jarmo

I have to agree here. I understand how good it must've felt and like helping an old friend.

The sad fact though is that there isn't any friend. Some faceless people simply laughed at what they got from you and for what price.

Thank you so much for doing this but you should have negotiated a fair deal. It's called capitalism and the world we live in :(

The ?Shadow of Your Love? official lyric video is no longer working for me in the U.K. it says the uploader hasn?t made it available in my country. It worked fine when it was first uploaded, not sure why they changed it.

I am super excited for this. I really hope Illusions are next. Make it so GNR :)

That being said I?m going to buy iTunes Super Deluxe version of this. I normally buy cd?s and rip them in a high quality file for my custom iPod?s. I then sell the cd?s back to my local record store. I haven?t had a cd, or vinyl, collection in many years now. The price for the physical version of this is pretty high and all the extra goodies are not something I need. I hope they consider basic cd formats that still have all the audio but without the extra swag in the future.

Great time to be a GNR fan!

Its available in multi formats without all the bells and whistles, the box set is priced way too high and will be extremely hard to sell to any normal fan who isn't a millionaire.

The physical formats without all the swag took away form all the audio you get in the Super Deluxe. As an example the 2 CD has ?highlights? from the b-sided and demos only.

Thanks for the input troccoli. :)

So can you confirm if there are overdubs or any new rerecording layer added?

I like "One in a Million" too.  But as I recall the shitstorm back in 1988 that surrounded this song, I realize it would be 10,000 times worse today.  Sad but true.   :(

Not sure if people already noticed, but One in a Million is not available on Spotify anymore. It used to be, I guess.

I looked at Amazon for more info on their MP3. It's 256 kbps on average (https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=help_search_1-3?ie=UTF8&nodeId=201379550&qid=1525542518&sr=1-3), but it's variable bitrate.

Spotify on the other hand is 320 Kbps for premium users (https://support.spotify.com/us/article/high-quality-streaming/) and the compression is OGG. And premium members can download the files for offline playing. I guess I'll stick to that if it gets released in the same date.

At one point I thought Axl had meant to omit One In a Million from any future pressings of Lies. To my knowledge that never happened, but here it come to fruition. I admire the act, and the thinking behind it, but OIAM is up there with my very favorite songs, not at all for the lyrics but the dark sound. That cool Richards like riffing on the electric guitar against the acoustic. Just kind of chugs along at that menacing pace, Axl all over with his vocals, the eerie piano at the end. Such a weird cool song, musically.

That is correct.  Many years ago, Axl did say that "One in a Million" and "Look at Your Game Girl" would be omitted from future pressings of their respective albums.  I don't think it happened either place, but as you say, it has come to fruition here.

I've been thinking about this too, cuz my sources said July. thanks for the clarification :)

I can still play it on Spotify. So maybe it has only been removed in certain areas.

I just bought Lies on CD (for decoration purposes) a couple of months ago from a biggish Central European store. The song is there but then of course I have no idea what those numbers mean to determine how old or new that pressing is.

It looks new but who knows how many years it was there waiting for some customer ::)

Actually, you're right. It's still available (I can play it on one of my playlists). It's just not listed in the Lies tracklist anymore. It's kinda hidden.

Written By Axl, Paul Tobias, and Izzy.  None of them except Axl is in the band today.
 ;)

Thanks you and yes, massively tense is a great way of phrasing how I felt at the time!


You are welcome!  The record label coordinated everything indeed.  Now we need to convince them/the band/mgmt/the business to release everything else!


You are welcome and that's not even the highest quality version I have!  They said tehy chose to hold off on certain material for future releases.  What those future releases are and when they are I don't know.  Also not sure why this wasn't released last year.  I'll have to try to ask about that.  I didn't ask for anything but that doesn't mean that I am not getting anything in return...


You are most welcome!  See above post I made regarding compensation.  I must confess that I would believe certain members of the band have a lot (though not all) of the stuff I have.  Maybe they were just too busy to dig it all out for the label???


You are most welcome!  I have been told no overdubs or new rerecording.  I can only go by what I was told but this was by the person that put the whole thing together.


See above post.  They recorded this song many times hence many versions, and different recording dates.  By the session to try out Mike Clink is Nov 86 from what I was told.  I understand that information may not jive with what is out there including what is listed on this website.  I don't know what to say, just what I was told when I asked this question directly.

A small correction; "money, it was on the table", there's no "it". Just "money was on the table".

I also feel like "now I'm back the only one" must be wrong because it makes no sense, but I can't come up with anything else that fits.

True. It's in the lyrics but doesn't sound like Axl sings it.



/jarmo

I hear the "it" pretty clearly

I can hear the "it" also pretty clearly.

And I understand the part "now I'm back the only one" the way like Mourinho is talking about himself as "the special one".

But since English isn't my first language, maybe I am wrong.

i really hope they start playing Shadow of your love Live.. i love that song.. it?s an injection of adrenaline to my working days  ;D

Amazon has the Super Deluxe version for $138 and some change.  Not sure if it is a prime exclusive or not.

Im going for the Locked and loaded Edition.   :peace:

Too much gold to miss out on..!

Yeah, I noticed this, today.  The price on my existing pre-order has dropped to reflect that new pricing, too.

Can you get me one, too?  :hihi:

I'm assuming you're not in the UK by use of the term 'store' rather than 'shop'? I might be interested in an arrangement like this, if anyone else would be in the UK - i.e. buying a boxset off someone who has already used it to make some high quality files for themselves.

I'd be happy with secondhand, to make it more affordable

I'm also hoping Use Your Illusion gets the same treatment for its 30th Anniversary. Based on all the goodies Axl let out of his collection for this box set, I'm sure he's got lots of UYI era stuff in there for future reissues/box sets.

Original GNR, Old Discussion

 :hihi:

Spotify Direct

https://open.spotify.com/album/6AK5hiec0u0guq19bKlSMm

Maybe another time. :hihi: Just pre-ordered my Locked and Loaded box. Crazyness😀 dont tell my girlfriend 😁

You know what is crazy ? There's no studio version of whole lotta rosie.

 :'(

Obviously

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uelFpaLNYNU

Uhm.. by GNR.

Ahhhmmm, I believe

You believe in Jeezus?! :P

Also In SATAN

 >:(

By releasing this Appetite Remaster and the box sets, will that free GnR from the contract with Interscope? So they have more freedom om future new material? Jest asking, because there has been this speculations about GnR beeing bound to a contract with one more release.

Great question.  I would think the box set counts toward their album commitment.  Thing is, I never understood why album commitments were something that should hold Guns back in any way. Can?t Axl just release several albums of farts and burps to get out of the record company contract and then release his real material independently?

I don't think the artist has the final say if something shall be released when bound to contract.

It would be the epitaph for rock n' roll if they ever dumped Used to Love Her. It's tongue in cheek, it's clever and it's funny.

It's just her POV. Happens to be one I agree with. Can't seem to find anything funny about this.

Wow, that woman must be a lot of fun to hang with. The social justice warriors and their overly political correct thinking patterns are turning out to be no different than all the religious zealots that tried to force their rules onto everyone. 'Used To Love Her' is tongue in cheek. If this boring ass woman doesn't get that, maybe should focus her energy on rap "music"? GnR's song is a joke, rap music is misogynous as fuck. But I guess she's too afraid to be labeled a racist, so she goes the safe route and targets the white rock bands.

No.

Labels have first right of refusal, but they do not have to release anything an artist makes/submits for release.  And if the label refuses to release it...it doesn't count toward the contract.

Witness Fiona Apple and Greenday's "lost" albums (though Fiona eventually released hers and Greendays' survived, in pieces).

There have been other examples with other artists, too.

Duff's second solo album is a good example. Not only did the label refuse to release it, claiming it wasn't good enough, they kept all the recordings making it impossible for anyone else to release....

Isn't it actually about his dog?  

I understand the connotation...and it's intentional.  And I understand that it might make people uncomfortable.  I do think it's important, though, to know that Axl wasn't ACTUALLY encouraging violence against women.  It was a joke (and one that, years later, might be in poor taste.....like MANY jokes/humor from days past).

BUT (and I feel the same way about "One in a Million") it was a very different time.  And it is artistic creation that has a significant social commentary (ie: the fact it makes us uncomfortable in 2018....and it was a hit that made everyone laugh in 1989, shows cultural movement).

I'm not one for censoring art because I disagree with the message in light of current cultural sensibilities.  If we did that with literature, we'd be burning books.  

If that song were written today, I would understand the outcry (though, I mean...Blurred Lines???!!!).

The song was written 30+ years ago.

There is plenty of 70 and 80's pop/rock that glorifies stalking, heavy drug use, suicide, and even rape that you hear on radio airwaves CONSTANTLY.  And they do it with a catchy beat and a jovial tone (listen to Brown Sugar by The Stones!).

Art is not always unicorns and rainbows.  Not when it's written, and not when it's considered years later with different cultural sensibilities.  And I think that's OK.

Great conversation with my girlfriend this weekend on a similar topic:

Me:  "I fucking hate that Blurred Lines song"

Her: "I quite like it, its fun"

Me: "It's absolute shit. And it's lyrics are dodgy"

Her: "Yeah, I know, its dodgy and obviously I don't approve really,  but I like the tune and it's quite clearly a laugh"

....and there lies the whole debate! I sort of wish more people were like that sometimes- less over analysis, more just going with whatever, recognizing problems but not getting so crazy uptight about them.

Actually, according to Duff himself, it wasn't released due to a company merger.  They actually did offer it to Duff for sale to go release on his own, but they demanded 3-4 times what the recording costs were, so Duff didn't buy it.

When the merger happened didn't the boss just decide to can it because his kids didn't like it? I'm sure i remember something like that in his book. Didn't remember the bit about them offering it back though.

They offered Duff his own album ? That's really sad.

Usually people with 0 culture get offended by this kind of things.

People should study Aristofane or Boccaccio before talking.

Fiona Apple's Extraordinary Machine album wasnt shelved by Sony. That's what she always said, at least. She didnt like the arrangements made by Jon Brion and asked to rework the songs. But I believe the fans petition helped the label in figuring out there was a demand.

What, UTLH? I don't know. I wasn't talking about this one in particular, tho. 
Still, it's pretty obvious the song wasn't meant to sound like it was just about a dog, even though I dont think this song should be censored.

I know and I mostly agree. IMO it should be a case by case. The 1915 movie "The Birth of a Nation" is wrong in so many levels that you just can't rationalize it as pure art and freedom of speak.

UTLH may be fine enough (but I respect the author's point). One in a Million is in another level. I'm sure Axl himself is not comfortable re-releasing a song calling out immigrants while his new "family" is Brazilian. Considering this and the racism, the song is not tongue-in-cheek. Yes, it's from other times, but it doesn't mean Axl or the band should just ignore the context now. I understand and respect the decision to not re-release it, but I'm not asking them to do it.

It's just the way it is. Things change and we should be able to re-analyse stuff with another point of view.

UTLH is just dark humor.

Tough to say the same about OIAM.

Yeah, page 296-297 in Duff's book.  Some executive did say he'd be listening to the record with his kids to determine whether or not it had a future with Geffen, and then Duff never heard back from the guy.  On the release date, Duff found out that the record wouldn't be released.   It was then that Duff himself offered to pay the recording costs which were about $80,000 and take control of the record himself.  The record label responded by saying no, they'd only sell it at a profit, and demanded $250,000 for it.  Duff said fuck that.

I wonder if we fans can get together and come up with a plan, a kickstarter project perhaps, to raise money and release the lost album.
I bet that if we sit together and do our homework we can manage to do something.
ahh... wishful thinking..

What would happen is that we'd get tons of promises that of course I'll chip in, me as well. Then when the project was actually set not many people would pay.

It is just how the world works :confused:

OIAM is a little different, I agree.  That being said, if Axl wanted it out there, and provided a bunch of context to it in order to spur some larger discussions, I'd be OK with that.  There have been artists who have dome similar things with early work that has "changed" due to cultural sensitivities in the past.

Axl has said it: He knows it's offensive, but people sort of miss the point a little bit (and this isn't an excuse): He was writing from the perspective of a hayseed from Indiana who was suddenly thrust into the diversity of LA.  His claim/point was that those were valid (and pretty common) generalities, stereotypes, and prejudices in his neck of the woods back then.

He also talked pretty candidly about overcoming those prejudices and realizing how misplaced those feelings were.

TBH, it's a fair point even today (and I'm not going to get overly political here....it's not the place).  And if he decided to release the song to further that kind of conversation, WITH ADDED CONTEXT, so be it.  I don't think he has the will/desire to do that, though.

On the pulling back of OIAM, I'm much more OK with it...because it's the artists decision.  AXL is uncomfortable with it being out there, now, so it's the ARTISTS ART, and thus my feeling is they get to make that call. 

But IF Axl had never decided to pull it back, and it was in this collection, I would feel the same way I did about UTLH.  It's about framing the art in the context and time it was created.

That story CHANGED, later, after the release and petition.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/music_box/2005/04/the_fiona_apple_fiasco.html

Epic refused to release it, initially, because it didn't sound "commercial enough".

That story "morphed" (and I suspect that morphing was a commercial ploy and "prod" from the label so they didn't appear the bad guy) later into Fiona not being satisfied with the mixes and needed to let them "stew" creatively before releasing them.

But the Epic story was sourced and verified at the time.  I know someone who was working in the industry at the time and she helped source it, actually.

Ultimately we don't know whose decision this was - it could well be the record company that called time on the song.

I think though in a lot of ways it opens up floodgates. There's a LOT of their material that in the current climate of people looking for things to be offended by that could at anytime be deemed as unacceptable. It's So Easy, You Could Be Mine, Pretty Tied Up, Back Off Bitch to name just a few. All of those songs could at any point attract the attention of those looking to revise the past and tell us what we should and shouldn't be offended by.

I thought WE had Axl's comments on this?  That he asked it be removed from future pressings, etc?

Maybe I am misremembering....

I think there was sonething to that effect but that was a ling time ago, and since then there have of course been loads of pressings. I'm still not aure how much input the band had into the content of this box really. We know there was some, but could be a case of 'we're doing this and you guys can be involved or not'.

No ,there's no another point of view. People who over analyze and judge are just utterly stupid. Words are words, facts are facts. Rappers say the word nigga all day long are they racists? Guns sang about killing, they ever killed someone?

Racism, misogeny, violence are just words. Plus art is art, i can paint a rape scene, but it doesn't mean i'm a raper. Or  i can even say i hate God while I go to church every sunday.

Hitler in the mein kampf wrote about jews  and actually he killed them...So he's a true criminal because he did something against them, not because he wrote something about them.

Nope, your memory is fine.  Axl said this in late 1999, appearing in a January 2000 Rolling Stone article.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/axl-speaks-20000203 (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/axl-speaks-20000203)

Along these lines, [Rose] recently decided to remove the two most controversial G n' R tracks, "One in a Million," from 1988's GN'R Lies ? with its lyrics disparaging "faggots," "immigrants" and "niggers" ? and the cover of Charles Manson's "Look at Your Game Girl," which ends 1993's The Spaghetti Incident?.  While he's always been reluctant to explain or justify his art, Rose has come to believe that "they're too easily misinterpreted."  Starting in February (2000), the tracks will be deleted from future pressings.

That hasn't happened though has it? Surely they're still pressing these albums with those tracks on? (I don't know as I obviously bought them at the time!)

I just bought a copy few months ago. Surely it wasn't pressed 18 years ago.

So, that has not happened.

Both tracks (OIAM and Look At Your Game Girl) are still available on Spotify. Though when I click on the Lies album, OIAM didnt show up in the tracklist.

Sorry, that's not how prejudice and hate speech works.

How does it work then ? :P

No, it hasn't.

BUT, the point is (was?) more to illustrate Axl's mind set.

And those comments certainly do that.

So, then, you advocate book burning, right? Of expunging the works of Twain, and Plato, and Shakespeare, and Dante and countless others who have produced literature that, when viewed with today's sensibilities, would be considered offensive?

Of course, I don't believe you actually feel that way.

Prejudice and hate speech, in the course of...well...discourse...sure.  I'm with you.

But when it comes to past artistic expression? In fact, that's the way it does (or at least should) work.

I understand the band still exists, but you're talking about artistic output that was created over 30 years ago.  At what point is that verbage considered (like it is with Twain) anachronistic? 

IMHO, we're well past that point with those songs.  We certainly are when it comes to "Brown Sugar" by The Stones. So is 45 years OK, but 30 isn't?  What's your suggested standard?

It's OK for art to make you uncomfortable...and for it still to "exist" and be commercially available.  Especially if it was widely accepted at the time of it's release.

Agree with Pilferk 100%

It was a band decision, collectively.

Thanks, Fernando!

LOL, do you hear yourself? You are clearly the more partisan one. You dragged out every tired, cliched right wing buzzword there is "pious, whiny, sanctimonious liberal"... can you even think for yourself? And why does it matter that shes a female journalist?

What about it does not sound exactly like the modern Trump supporter? Hating immigrants, throwing around slurs under the pathetic cover of "not being PC"

In all your hysterics, it seems you failed to actually read the article, which is perfectly reasonable. Maybe you should calm down and control your emotions.

Do you not know the difference between rebelliousness and intolerance?  :rofl:


It's a lot easier to "not get so crazy uptight" when it doesn't affect you. I feel bad for your GF if you just dismiss her opinions like that...


Oh FFS, nobody is revising the past. The song is still available on pressings of Lies, never mind that nobody is burning old copies. This is no different than the confederate statues being taken down. Statues are not history books. Statues glorify people, and nobody is taking confederates out of history books. Likewise, deleting OIAM is not the same as trying to wipe all traces, including any articles written about the song.

I am so sick of this faux-victim card being pulled any time somebody gets called out for being a bigot. There are ZERO proposals to criminalize bigotry anyway, so quit crying "free speech".


LOL, yeah like those scientists and their over analyzing, what idiots! Smart people don't analyze anything, they just react without thinking!

White rappers do not use that word because they have respect for their fellow men. *SOME* black people use it as an attempt to reclaim it, but opinions are divided on that. Of course, you probably already know this, you just chose to be ignorant. Singing about violence is entirely different, that's a red herring fallacy.

Yes, words are words. nobody has been arrested for this, you realize? Just social consequences. This XKCD strip applies:

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech_2x.png)

Hitler is a perfect example of how words can incite and lead to action. He literally used propaganda to brainwash his people and you think that supports your argument that words are harmless? *facepalm*


Refer to my comments above why this is absolutely nothing like book burning.

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed! You know me and my girlfriend disagree amd agree on many things. It's called having opinions and being adults. Nothing to do with dismissing each others views and everything to do with being comfortable enough to say what we think and not taking offence. It would be weird if we both thought and liked the same stuff. No need to feel sorry for her, trust me!

Well, PermissionToLand just said about everything I would say. I'm just gonna add one thing:

Where that came from? I even mentioned before how there's a big difference between OIAM and UTLH.

And I was replying to what ITARocker said, mostly because he said "there's no another point of view. People who over analyze and judge are just utterly stupid. Words are words, facts are facts". It's kinda like saying "no, you are not entlited to revisit anything, art is always cristalyzed in the past". I don't feel this is right. And I don't really like to call people stupid just because they have a different take on something.

Yeah, not to divert too much but: every single religion ever on this earth. Exactly that.

I find it funny though that people can be bent out of shape over a song by a rock artist, but not by the endless awfulness that is religion. Every single scripture by any of the religions are million times worse than what's in those simple GnR songs. Maybe people should fight that instead of songs by young rock artists? How much did GnR's two songs contribute to the killing of people or misogany on women and how much did religion contribute? But I guess it's easier to fight the smallest battle: more chance of victory and no chance of getting slayed.

EDIT: if your analogy is true, how come one of the most popular songs EVER -Imagine by John Lennon- hasn't brought world peace? If the influence of music is so big that songs have to be taken off of records because their influence can be so huge, how come Imagine hasn't brought world peace?

Huh, for such strong objectors to "PC police", conservatives sure love tone policing...

The disagreement wasn't the issue, it was that you dismissed her opinion as "crazy uptight". Maybe you should think about why women generally have stronger reactions to objectifying lyrics, instead of dismissing them as uptight or emotional.


Well, what realistically has more sway over the mind of a kid today, his favorite band or the Pope? I think you make a good point that it's important to have perspective about how big any issue is relative to others, but you can be upset about more than one thing at at time.

As to your last point, I never said words are all powerful. I can tell you to buy me a Ferrari until I'm blue in the face and you can just ignore me. But there's a different dynamic with celebrities and authorities. And just in general, the more people simply hear a narrative or worldview (especially if it's gone unchallenged), the more likely they are to believe it. We allow free speech even for bigots, but without the people calling them out for it, children would hear that and assume it must be acceptable because nobody challenged it. That is the utterly critical function of those who are now slandered as the "PC police".

I would say Imagine has surely inspired many people to volunteer and work toward peace in their lives and may very well have made a significant impact on the world. But of course it can't be a panacea. I never said one hateful song could bring about world anarchy, so that's not really an analogy anyway. I just said that it can lead people to action, for good or bad.

(https://longreadsblog.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/never-again-002-f2f-png.jpg?w=1200)

Pretty sexist to read anything into the fact the person who wrote that article is a woman to be honest. It's not something I'd even considered let alone focused on. Why does it make any difference?
Don't you think it's a little patronising and judgmental to say women 'generally have atronger reactions' to lyrics? Like they are more easily offended? I find tjat pretty sexist to be honest.

Pretty off topic here.

Ive always cringed to Its So Easy's ''see me hit you, you fall down'' part.

I still love the song.
Its a great song about sexual power gone over the top. thats my take on it.

GunsNRoses:
The #ItsSoEasy video is coming....
Watch it tomorrow, only on @AppleMusic here: http://apple.co/GNR (http://apple.co/GNR)

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https://twitter.com/gunsnroses/status/998366384118677505



/jarmo

The video is out right now, go and check it out!  :beer: : ok:

A youtube link would be great.

its a apple exclusive video

I know but can be ripper.  ;)

copyright.already few taken down . one only lasted minutes lol

Saw the preview of It's So Easy video on Apple. You can buy for $1.99. Not very good looking though. Concert footage with a shaky camera. I don't care much for it.

There you go. An old copy but basically this is it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXoewFenQ00

Great video ! what a time to be alive.

not really, this "new" version is quite a lot different from the old bootleg version

Yeah, we've all heard of Godwin's Law (which is just a meme, not the intellectual rule some think it is). Dismissing any reference to Hitler is just ignorant. Imagine a Fascist actually trying to recreate Hitler's reign and everyone is too afraid to call it what it is because of that stupid idea. Citing Godwin is just a way of dismissing any accusations of authoritarianism, racism, etc. It's no different than crying "PC police!" to try and turn it around on the person calling you out because you have no actual defense. They're both the Fallacy Fallacy; attacking the way something is argued instead of the point being made. Which is adjacent to tone policing as well.


Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, huh? Or are you just trying soo hard to paint me as a hypocrite that you're not concerned with any kind of logic? I even quoted the guy and you still manage to miss it; he was the one who pointed out the journalist was a woman: "a faaaar left female journalist". You're literally asking me what I asked him; "why does it matter?" IDK how you could even manage to get it that wrong...

No, it's not sexist because women are statistically FAR more likely to be raped. You are trying way too hard, bud.

Let's look again at what you put. after quoting me....

"The disagreement wasn't the issue, it was that you dismissed her opinion as "crazy uptight". Maybe you should think about why women generally have stronger reactions to objectifying lyrics, instead of dismissing them as uptight or emotional."

Please point out where I said anything about the writer being a woman. reading comprehension really isn't a problem - you attributing comments and quoting comments to different people clearly is.

Secondly, as you've dragged me into a conversation about whether women should or shouldn't be offended by things..... you're saying it's OK for women to be more offended by lyrics because they're more likely to be raped?! Are you off your rocker? You do realise how offense you're being right? And how judgmental towards women that is?

Well it's more than a meme, it says that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1".
There's no dismissing here, in fact I'm not gonna get caught in this war of words, it was just to make a point... Godwin was right.  :hihi: That's all I wanted to say.

new video is very different

You know how I view GNR lyrics, as an innocent description of crazy times in the 80's. Not Axl's or anyone's point of view.

You cannot deny the 80's was a crazy time to be alive. With the brewing of chaos that caused the LA Riots.

And in Axl we have a very humane witness, he honestly wants to get out from the chaos, but at the same time he feels tempted by it, and I think that is why we all felt related by it, because we all have temptations.

Point your finger when you are free from sin !

Kinda doubt they?d promote the deluxe re release of AFD with the version that was used as trial evidence against Axl.

Yes indeed. The S&M scenes, were edited out :). Which doesn't make it a new version, makes it a censored version, that kids can safely get from Apple.

http://www.metalsucks.net/2018/05/21/thirty-years-after-it-was-made-guns-n-roses-have-finally-released-the-its-so-easy-video-sort-of/

Apparently reading comprehension is a very big problem because you still aren't getting it even after I explained it for you. Go back to my post, I wasn't quoting you, I was quoting Bridge. If you can't figure out that I was quoting multiple people when it clearly says each poster's name over the quote, that's your issue. Christ...

You're not even making a coherent point with that second half... apparently you don't even know what the words "judgmental" and "offensive" mean. It's offensive to say that women are allowed to feel how they want and be offended about things that affect them? No, it would be offensive to say they don't have a right to feel how they want and be offended, or to dismiss their offense as being "overly emotional" (a classic misogynist trope, BTW) instead of trying to understand where they're coming from. You are bending over backwards to try and twist my words into something hypocritical, and you can't even see how obvious it is? You should have just cut your losses before you went and made a fool of yourself.


It's really not more than a meme. From the wikipedia page for Godwin's law: "Godwin's law does not claim to articulate a fallacy; it is instead framed as a memetic tool"

People seem to think Godwin was a philosopher. No, he was just some random guy on a Usenet group in the '90s who coined it. And the very purpose of that memetic tool is to dismiss the argument of anyone who mentions Hitler. In fact, Godwin himself said "The best way to prevent future holocausts, I believe, is not to forbear from Holocaust comparisons". So even Godwin admits that the "law" is flawed.

Nope, not gonna let you drag me into this.
Have fun trolling someone else.  : ok:

Yeah I think that's the approach I'm taking. The guy is nuts, insanely aggressive, and can't even see that he's been wrongly attributing quotes to me. Life's too short.