Here Today... Gone To Hell!

So this was a nice little surprise.

In my email inbox was message from Metallica telling me that since I recently purchased a ticket to a upcoming show I now receive a copy of there new album.  This copy can be a physical copy, digital or you can send it off as a gift.  All totally free.  (included as part of the ticket)

I think this is awesome and really wish my fav band in the world Guns N Roses would do this.   Guns is playing a show in the same city 2 weeks after.

I don't care if this is to increase ticket sales (I didn't even know about it and bout a ticket)

I don't care if the album is mostly rubbish (I do actually like a couple of songs off it and its new material)

What a great gift to the fans.   New original material!!!!!!!

It's not the band's choice to do that, it's the record company's, which Guns are still under contract with.  Metallica can do this because they're independent.  Sad but TRUE!   ;)

Its the records companies choice for Guns N Roses to release new music?

Or

Is it the record companies choice to include albums of anything when ever they want......

Easy choice though when there is no new material to release

A cynic could suggest that it's because people weren't buying the new Metallica album........

After all, what sort of a fan has tickets to see a band and hasn't bought the album they're touring? That's pretty weird.

I think there album debuted #1 and last year the band toped all rock bands in sales. 

Like I said its cool that a band would do this.  Its cool a band is actually promoting original music as well

I am not even close to being a huge Metallica fan.  I have never actually seen them live before.   I am looking forward to them playing some of there hit as well as some new music and perhaps old stuff I have never even heard before.

You think it is weird for someone to see a concert and not buy that bands recent album?  Damn I would I would have thousands of random albums in my place then.   Every bar band, lounge band I have seen that has a recent album would sure love you !!!!   

Pretty much! I mean, definitely with established bands. I wouldn't really go and pay money to see a band unless I was into their new stuff- new bands (bar bands etc that I might have had a tip off about, or a friend takes me to see) that I haven't heard before I'll pick up their album at the end of the show if I like them and they're selling them.

What I mean is that the record company would need to give the green light to give music away for free.  Which they wouldn't.  I can see why the artist might want to do that.  But why would the record company?

A lot of big artists sign 360 deals these deals, and that ties in gig earnings with record sales, which would facilitate this.

Cool. You see it different than me.

I am also seeing the chilli peppers in may and have zero interest in any of there new material they may be promotIng

How come? I'm not a Chili's fan, but why not give the new stuff a go? Otherwise it's just nostalgia right?

I won't go out of my way to purchase new music from most bands.  There has to be really something more to it.   I.e fav band of all time, been at a concert new songs catch my ear like them but the, something on radio new, etc

I am going to a lot of concerts the way I see lots of people going to guns n roses concerts now.  As a a casual fan.  I may even stand in line for hour for yum yums.  Stand still with no dancing to the music. And try and to record most of the show on my phone and take pictures of myself.  Hahahaha. Nah can't see that happening haha

That's at odds with your views on new guns stuff though! You see now why people are saying there is no demand for a new guns album....

No I don't see why people are saying actually.

If anything my comments have shown there is a huge demand for these albums

Meratillica.  And some what similiar sized band is playing the exact same venue Guns I playing here   It actually sold out in around 20 mins.  Guns you can still by tickets

Metalllicas new album debuted number and has sold very well

I am sure hard core fans of this band loved having a new album to buy.  As a soft core fan it sure was cool getting the album as a surprise

But you're saying you have no interest in a new album by a band you're a casual fan of right? No desire to hear to new material?

That's what most people think about Guns. There's not many hardcore fans.

No that's not what I said

I said specifically for the band The Red Hot Chili Peppers, I have zero interest in any of there new music they are promoting.   I heard it, I don't like it.  I really like there older stuff and lots of it, so I am hoping to enjoy the show.

I welcome new music from most bands, I wont go out of my way to purchase it, unless I hear something and like it usually.  Just not buying something just off of a bands name....  For the most part, with most bands....

RHCP just came through here.  The setlist was a god damn nightmare.  I'd be so pissed if had I spent money on tickets.

You went for free then and just didn't like the set list?

Don't you think most people might feel like that about Guns though? I bet there's a big percentage of these crowds that echo your views on RHCP. And that's one of many reasons that a lot of older bands simply don't see the need to put out any new music- people are just not interested.

Are you not reading what I am typing here.   Seems like you want me to support some sorta point of view and when I don't you are pretty much just saying I am haha

I welcome new music from bands.

Just like Metallica

I peronsally did not like the new material from the red hot chilli peppers.  That's one band

So yea. I hope more people are like me

Welcome new music from any band.  Then use there own mind and taste to support either the new music or the tour or both    I do think most people just don't by a album because they are seeing a concert or because the bands name is on the cover   I think you are the minority

What was wrong with it? I'm taking the Missus to see them in June :-[

I am still waiting for this question to be answered for myself....

Sounds like he didn't even go to the show and then is complaining about it.....

hahaha, at least when I complain about a guns n roses horrible setlist, I have actually been to a previous show with the exact same set list.  And actually got experience the show for what it is

Complaining about a set list for a show you have never seen, would be like complaining about a movie you havnt seen because you read the screenplay and hated it

Can't speak for someone else but I've found that most RHCP critics would like them to play Blood Sugar start to finish and almost nothing they have released in the last 15 years.

Perhaps I was unclear. 

When tickets went on sale, I did not buy them.  Thought about it, because I had never seen them.  But, didn't move on it.

And after seeing what they played here...thank fucking god.  Unless this is your idea of a great show :




Now, let's establish a few things.

- I am no diehard RHCP fan.  Like their stuff, but I'm little more than a GH type fan.  I don't need to know every song at a show to enjoy it.  But I see a lot of time being bored here.

- Assuming I bought tickets, I'd have been there night 1.  Night 1 is the weaker of the 2 shows, IMO.

- Show is kind of short, no?

A bit exxagerated, but not totally offbase.  Not everyone in the building is a RHCP lifer though.

I'd be thrilled with that Night 1 setlist :smoking:

I'd like to see Flea's bass rammed up his arse, give him a reason to pull those stupid faces all the time. Id pay to see that if it was on the setlist.

I can't quite work out Baconman's thinking here. You call Guns sets 'horrible', yet they're playing all their hits. At the same time you don't want to see RHCP play anything new. I don't get the logic there at all. What is it you want from a live gig?!

That's why I chimed in intially.

If you were looking for a trip down RHCP memory lane, this current tour ain't it.

you are judging a live concert event, just from words on a screen and your own opinion on it...

How on earth could you actually tell how much you would of enjoyed the show.   

Judging from those two set lists you supplied, I am def a very soft core fan.  I don't know half the songs.   

I will post how my feelings are on the show after I see them in may.  Or should I just stay home and write a review off of a posted set list hahaha

One other thing

Looks like they switch things up pretty good for the second nights show in the same city or market.  Lucky fans of this band.  Wish Guns would do the same

Is this really cracking the DaVinci code, brah?

You said it yourself.  You don't know half these songs.  Neither do I.  That's the point.

There are some bands where that would not matter to me.  This is not one of those bands.

If I created a set list off of songs I know it would be like a 5 song concert hahaha

Just off the top of my head, I would think all of these songs were at every RHCP concert :

Higher Ground
Under The Bridge
Give It Away
Suck My Kiss
Soul To Squeeze
Scar Tissue
Californication
Otherside
By The Way
Dani California

And then the rest of the set is filled with whatever.

But to only get lie, 3 or 4 of those, and then the rest is filled in with whatever?  Doens't cut it for me.

In fact, I'll probably give real though about ever seeing them.

I bet it would be pretty good for big RHCP fans though, who get tired of the band playing the same songs all the time? It's a tough one to call. I was a big Oasis fan, and it used to grind on me that they played 'the hits' every gig, and not that much else. Then I took a friend to see them, who'd never seen them before and he loved it as they played all the hits. It's a tough one to call- bands are damned if they do, damned if they don't really.

I don't think so.  I think it's actually clear cut.  To me, it all comes down where you play and what you charge.

The bigger the venue, the more casuals you will draw.  The higher the price, the fewer chances you can take.

In other words, when GNR is playing stadiums and charging $100-250 a seat, you have to load that setlist up with the hits and the better known songs.  You can't charge those proces and say you are skipping SCOM or YCBM.  They need to be heard, or people are pissed.  A song like 'Coma' is the true outlier.  And, I'll bet if you asked people who saw this past tour, a lot of people would say that was not a highlight of the show to them.

Flipside, if you play a smaller place at a lower price, you are all but telling people that this is not your usual show.  That sort of show is for the diehards.  There you can skip some of the hits.  Or play a totally reworked version of them.  You can play album cuts. 

Good list, I would just add Aeroplane and Breaking the Girl.  I agree with you about that setlist but then again I barely even qualify as a casual fan of RHCP.

Yeah, I guess size of the venue/cost are the big ones now you mention it. Much as I'd love GNR to run through Breakdown, Locomotive, Catcher In The Rye, Deadhorse etc, I truly don't expect it. Most you can hope for in a set at a big level is a couple of nods to album tracks/less well known material. I do sort of admire acts like Bob Dylan though that go out there and say "that was then, this is now, and to hell with what people want". They do end up playing smaller venues though, but there's a certain 'fuck you' attitude to it which I admire. They're prepared to take a cut on what they earn in order to play different stuff. That's sort of admirable.

I do totally agree with this statement and it hold true for most bands

BUT

Guns N Roses, no matter the size of the venue or crowd, have primarily been playing the same set list, with the a bunch of covers, for many many many many years.

You could almost argue that these bigger shows have seen more deep cuts/odd ball songs from guns, along with more covers....   But again I would say no matter the size of the crowd or venue with this band 85% of the set list has been the same

It may be admirable but everyone I know that saw Bob Dylan in the last 15 years was wildly disappointed.  They weren't necessarily hardcore fans but I'd say that demographic makes up 80% of the crowd even in a smaller venue.

Oh man

Now we are going to have read this one guys Love of Bob Dylan and how him and his dad just loved the show, while he wore his ball cap.....

Huh? I don't get that comment!

I saw Dylan recently- fucking loved it. Barely knew anything in the set (but I knew that was going to be the case) but it was fantastic. Everyone I know that has seen him thought he was shit though yeah! I think I got lucky to be honest- the show got a 5/5 review in a lot of papers, and all the reviewers were surprised! For some reason, the show just worked!

You are going to have to wait for this one....

I would expect Guns N' Roses to have less varied sets than those bands - they have less material to draw on.  Bob Dylan has 38 studio albums, 26 EPs and 85 singles.  Metallica have eleven albums, five EPs and 39 singles.  Red Hot Chili Peppers have eleven albums, five EPs and 44 singles.  I've remarked more than once that Guns N' Roses must be one of very, very few bands to be at that kind of level (in terms of recognition, iconic status, media buz, ticket sales, whatever) without actually releasing all that much music over the course of their career.  For such a big band, their back catalogue is actually pretty thin, and that's even with a covers album included. 

This thread reminds me of my dad telling me of a gig he went to back in the seventies or eighties.  John Otway was doing a tour, and his thing was that to get in you had to have a copy of his new single as well as a ticket.  :hihi:

Well said

Yep this and has hardly any songs.    They should be releasing more!  Adding volume to this light set list.   But I guess playijg other people's music is easie r

Correct. Songs like The Seeker are easier for Axl to sing than deep cuts from UYI. It still amazes me that Coma remained as a staple.