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Title: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: bolton on August 30, 2016, 10:44:50 AM
Pretty impresive...This will be one of the biggest tours ever

Guns N' Roses
06/23/16
Ford Field
Detroit, MI
Live Nation
Alice In Chains
44,439
44,439
100%
$49.50 - $253.50
$4,776,766

Guns N' Roses
06/26/16
FedExField
Landover, MD
Live Nation
Alice In Chains
41,208
48,186
86%
$50.50 - $255
$4,107,027

Guns N' Roses
06/29/16
Arrowhead Stadium
Kansas City, MO
Live Nation
Alice In Chains
40,387
49,385
82%
$49 - $254
$3,285,043

Guns N' Roses
07/01/16
07/03/16
2 shows
Soldier Field
Chicago, IL
Live Nation
Alice In Chains
82,172
48,044
86%
$44.50 - $250
$8,843,684

Guns N' Roses
07/06/16
Paul Brown Stadium
Cincinnati, OH
Live Nation
32,516
33,845
96%
$62.50 - $253.50
$2,857,336

Guns N' Roses
07/09/16
Nissan Stadium
Nashville, TN
Live Nation
Chris Stapleton
42,824
42,824
100%
$48 - $253
$4,765,878

Guns N' Roses
07/12/16
Heinz Field
Pittsburgh, PA
Live Nation
Wolfmother
39,109
42,109
93%
$53.50 - $229
$3,810,026

Guns N' Roses
07/14/16
Lincoln Financial Field
Philadelphia, PA
Live Nation
Wolfmother
49,328
49,328
100%
$49 - $254
$4,883,474

Guns N' Roses
07/16/16
Rogers Centre
Toronto, ON, CANADA
Live Nation
Billy Talent
48,016
48,016
100%
52 - 253
$5,351,753 Canadian(6,935,198)

Guns N' Roses
07/19/16
07/20/16
2 shows
Gillette Stadium
Foxboro, MA
Live Nation
Lenny Kravitz
65,472
35,549
92%
$50.50 - $280
$8,302,575

Guns N' Roses
07/23/16
07/24/16
2 shows
MetLife Stadium
East Rutherford, NJ
Live Nation
Lenny Kravitz
100,177
50,088
100%
$45.50 - $280
$11,687,391

Guns N' Roses
07/27/16
Georgia Dome
Atlanta, GA
Live Nation
The Cult
41,508
41,508
100%
$49.50 - $254
$4,544,620

Guns N' Roses
07/29/16
Camping World Stadium
Orlando, FL
Live Nation
The Cult
40,702
40,702
100%
$63.50 - $253.50
$5,852,060

Guns N' Roses
07/31/16
Mercedes-Benz Superdome
New Orleans, LA
Live Nation
The Cult
32,894
40,215
82%
$55 - $240
$3,447,362

Guns N' Roses
08/03/16
AT&T Stadium
Arlington, TX
Live Nation
The Cult
39,015
43,449
90%
$45.50 - $250
$4,786,948

Guns N' Roses
08/05/16
NRG Stadium @ NRG Park
Houston, TX
Live Nation
Skrillex
49,778
49,778
100%
$41.50 - $252
$6,166,657

Guns N' Roses
08/09/16
AT&T Park
San Francisco, CA
Live Nation
38,173
38,173
100%
$55 - $275
$5,597,843

Guns N' Roses
08/12/16
CenturyLink Field
Seattle, WA
Live Nation
42,697
42,697
100%
$49 - $254
$5,237,966

Guns N' Roses
08/15/16
Univ. of Phoenix Stadium
Glendale, AZ
Live Nation
Zakk Wylde
44,110
48,914
90%
$52.25 - $256.75
$4,257,289

Guns N' Roses
08/18/16
08/19/16
2 shows
Dodger Stadium
Los Angeles, CA
Live Nation
The Cult
84,634
43,958
96%
$45.50 - $275
$8,917,758

Guns N' Roses
08/22/16
Qualcomm Stadium
San Diego, CA
Live Nation
49,458
49,458
100%
$45.50 - $225
$5,337,634


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Spirit on August 30, 2016, 11:20:11 AM
Impressive indeed!


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: gnrrock on August 30, 2016, 11:34:01 AM
Was this from Billboard? Do you have a web link?


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: D-GenerationX on August 30, 2016, 11:35:48 AM
Been waiting on these numbers.  Thanks so much for posting.

Very impressive.  Great to see these attendance figures.  Especially proud that my show (Philly) was a true blue, 100% sellout.



Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: TheBaconman on August 30, 2016, 11:40:35 AM
Where are these numbers from?

I wonder if the rumor was true about the band getting 3 million flat for each show

If so  the promoter did very well off of this deal with the band


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: D-GenerationX on August 30, 2016, 11:41:56 AM
Where are these numbers from?

I wonder if the rumor was true about the band getting 3 million flat for each show

If so  the promoter did very well off of this deal with the band

Just did a quick calc and came out at about a $118 million take for 25 shows.

Pretty, pretty...pretty good.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Spirit on August 30, 2016, 11:48:19 AM
Was this from Billboard? Do you have a web link?

I assume this page will be updated within a few hours:

http://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Bazfreak on August 30, 2016, 11:51:39 AM
Some large figures indeed...Slash Duff and Axl wont have to worry about money for the rest of their lives....not that they had to worry before but it sure is a boost  :hihi:


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: sky dog on August 30, 2016, 12:40:34 PM
doesn't count their huge payday at Coachella or the Vegas shows....boys rakin' in the cash.....merchandise is also on the side. Holy cow.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Spirit on August 30, 2016, 12:42:23 PM
doesn't count their huge payday at Coachella or the Vegas shows....boys rakin' in the cash.....merchandise is also on the side. Holy cow.

And Foro Sol. They are probably close to $150 mill in revenue so far into the tour.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: D-GenerationX on August 30, 2016, 12:49:06 PM
Best year for GNR fandom since 1993. 

Just amazing.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: sky dog on August 30, 2016, 01:14:07 PM
doesn't count their huge payday at Coachella or the Vegas shows....boys rakin' in the cash.....merchandise is also on the side. Holy cow.

And Foro Sol. They are probably close to $150 mill in revenue so far into the tour.

Forgot about the two Mexico shows!  :o

and ps, I am sure Ax is getting a pretty nice payday from AC/DC as well.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: JAEBALL on August 30, 2016, 02:26:25 PM
doesn't count their huge payday at Coachella or the Vegas shows....boys rakin' in the cash.....merchandise is also on the side. Holy cow.

And Foro Sol. They are probably close to $150 mill in revenue so far into the tour.

Forgot about the two Mexico shows!  :o

and ps, I am sure Ax is getting a pretty nice payday from AC/DC as well.

I'm sure he will never have to worry about the cable bill ever again  :hihi:

But he does employ/ travel with a lot of people ... and I don't think they make 40 k a year....


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: DeN on August 30, 2016, 03:12:08 PM
guys are making some serious cash, right


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: pilferk on August 30, 2016, 05:00:09 PM
I, too, can't wait for an "offical" link. ;). I want to coy and paste and play with those numbers. Some very interesting stuff in there.

I would point out that those shows with folks citing 25k....the numbers are, in this box score, well above that. The KC show is listing 40k and 82% sold. Thats better than they did, same stadium, for the guns/metallca tour.

They did about 120 million dollars just in the US. In 2015, that would have been good for the 5th highest grossing tour of the year. 

And they still have shows left to do in foriegn markets. I'm guessing they are top 3, this year, at worst. ;)



Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: tim_m on August 30, 2016, 10:15:00 PM
So the first number is the attendance and second is the capacity for that particular show? I would've thought AT&T stadium capacity would've been more then 43k.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: LunsJail on August 30, 2016, 10:48:47 PM
So the first number is the attendance and second is the capacity for that particular show? I would've thought AT&T stadium capacity would've been more then 43k.

Yes, that doesn't seem correct. But great numbers across the board  : ok:


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: C0ma on August 30, 2016, 11:00:06 PM

Guns N' Roses
07/19/16
07/20/16
2 shows
Gillette Stadium
Foxboro, MA
Live Nation
Lenny Kravitz
65,472
35,549
92%
$50.50 - $280
$8,302,575


So this is saying that they only did 65.5K tickets across both shows, and the capacity was 35.5k per night (I'm assuming average)??? I thought initial estimates were that they played to ~50k the first night?


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: tim_m on August 30, 2016, 11:59:37 PM
So the first number is the attendance and second is the capacity for that particular show? I would've thought AT&T stadium capacity would've been more then 43k.

Yes, that doesn't seem correct. But great numbers across the board  : ok:
Doesn't seem even close to correct. I agree it was 90% sold out but there had to be way more then 39k there.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: tim_m on August 31, 2016, 12:00:43 AM

Guns N' Roses
07/19/16
07/20/16
2 shows
Gillette Stadium
Foxboro, MA
Live Nation
Lenny Kravitz
65,472
35,549
92%
$50.50 - $280
$8,302,575


So this is saying that they only did 65.5K tickets across both shows, and the capacity was 35.5k per night (I'm assuming average)??? I thought initial estimates were that they played to ~50k the first night?
These numbers for some shows seem way off to me.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: WAR41 on August 31, 2016, 12:17:26 PM
Not sure why some of those numbers seem off to you.  You have to remember that because of stage set ups you lose all of the seats behind the stage.  Sure the pit and floor seats gain some of those back, but not the full seating.

Regardless according to those figures it seems like the East Rutherford shows were 1 ticket away from a double sell out  :hihi:


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: C0ma on August 31, 2016, 01:54:17 PM
Not sure why some of those numbers seem off to you.  You have to remember that because of stage set ups you lose all of the seats behind the stage.  Sure the pit and floor seats gain some of those back, but not the full seating.

Regardless according to those figures it seems like the East Rutherford shows were 1 ticket away from a double sell out  :hihi:

This is from 2014 for a concert at Gillette Stadium:

Luke Bryan broke the attendance record for a single-day country music concert at Gillette Stadium near Boston on Sunday night (Aug. 10) with more than 60,000 fans in attendance. Special guest Dierks Bentley and That?s My Kind of Night tour openers Lee Brice and Cole Swindell were also part of the lineup.

This was an end stage show with the seats behind the stage unsold. The first night at Gillette was packed, the second night they closed the third deck... so that means if the numbers are correct then on night one they would have sold ~15k less tickets than Luke Bryan and came in the second night at ~20K seats (which is much more than the upper deck being open. In two nights GnR did only 5k more than Luke Bryan did in one night?

I was at that Luke Bryan show with my wife, and was at Night One at Gillette... there weren't 15-20k less people there that night.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Spirit on August 31, 2016, 09:40:29 PM
Just did a rough calculation and assumed they'll do around 20 shows in Europe next year. Going by the average show revenue they will be at about $330 million total after an Euro leg next year. At that point the tour will be #9 on the all-time highest grossing tours list (with the lowest amount of shows in the top 10).

But if they continue the tour... well.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: tim_m on September 01, 2016, 08:02:56 AM
Not sure why some of those numbers seem off to you.  You have to remember that because of stage set ups you lose all of the seats behind the stage.  Sure the pit and floor seats gain some of those back, but not the full seating.

Regardless according to those figures it seems like the East Rutherford shows were 1 ticket away from a double sell out  :hihi:

This is from 2014 for a concert at Gillette Stadium:

Luke Bryan broke the attendance record for a single-day country music concert at Gillette Stadium near Boston on Sunday night (Aug. 10) with more than 60,000 fans in attendance. Special guest Dierks Bentley and That?s My Kind of Night tour openers Lee Brice and Cole Swindell were also part of the lineup.

This was an end stage show with the seats behind the stage unsold. The first night at Gillette was packed, the second night they closed the third deck... so that means if the numbers are correct then on night one they would have sold ~15k less tickets than Luke Bryan and came in the second night at ~20K seats (which is much more than the upper deck being open. In two nights GnR did only 5k more than Luke Bryan did in one night?

I was at that Luke Bryan show with my wife, and was at Night One at Gillette... there weren't 15-20k less people there that night.
Yep at my show at AT&T stadium. That stadium holds 80k for football. There's no way in hell there were 40k empty seats that night. From where i was sitting i was able to see every seat except directly below us. No way did the empty seats in the upper 400s equal 40k. In the 300s and lower there were only a few rows here in there empty. Whoever did these numbers for some of the shows needs to retake basic math.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Spirit on September 01, 2016, 09:35:08 AM
Not sure why some of those numbers seem off to you.  You have to remember that because of stage set ups you lose all of the seats behind the stage.  Sure the pit and floor seats gain some of those back, but not the full seating.

Regardless according to those figures it seems like the East Rutherford shows were 1 ticket away from a double sell out  :hihi:

This is from 2014 for a concert at Gillette Stadium:

Luke Bryan broke the attendance record for a single-day country music concert at Gillette Stadium near Boston on Sunday night (Aug. 10) with more than 60,000 fans in attendance. Special guest Dierks Bentley and That?s My Kind of Night tour openers Lee Brice and Cole Swindell were also part of the lineup.

This was an end stage show with the seats behind the stage unsold. The first night at Gillette was packed, the second night they closed the third deck... so that means if the numbers are correct then on night one they would have sold ~15k less tickets than Luke Bryan and came in the second night at ~20K seats (which is much more than the upper deck being open. In two nights GnR did only 5k more than Luke Bryan did in one night?

I was at that Luke Bryan show with my wife, and was at Night One at Gillette... there weren't 15-20k less people there that night.
Yep at my show at AT&T stadium. That stadium holds 80k for football. There's no way in hell there were 40k empty seats that night. From where i was sitting i was able to see every seat except directly below us. No way did the empty seats in the upper 400s equal 40k. In the 300s and lower there were only a few rows here in there empty. Whoever did these numbers for some of the shows needs to retake basic math.

It does seem strange for a promoter to under-report numbers. If anything, it makes more "sense" to over-report, to make something seem more successful.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: faldor on September 01, 2016, 10:57:18 AM
Not sure why some of those numbers seem off to you.  You have to remember that because of stage set ups you lose all of the seats behind the stage.  Sure the pit and floor seats gain some of those back, but not the full seating.

Regardless according to those figures it seems like the East Rutherford shows were 1 ticket away from a double sell out  :hihi:

This is from 2014 for a concert at Gillette Stadium:

Luke Bryan broke the attendance record for a single-day country music concert at Gillette Stadium near Boston on Sunday night (Aug. 10) with more than 60,000 fans in attendance. Special guest Dierks Bentley and That?s My Kind of Night tour openers Lee Brice and Cole Swindell were also part of the lineup.

This was an end stage show with the seats behind the stage unsold. The first night at Gillette was packed, the second night they closed the third deck... so that means if the numbers are correct then on night one they would have sold ~15k less tickets than Luke Bryan and came in the second night at ~20K seats (which is much more than the upper deck being open. In two nights GnR did only 5k more than Luke Bryan did in one night?

I was at that Luke Bryan show with my wife, and was at Night One at Gillette... there weren't 15-20k less people there that night.
Yep at my show at AT&T stadium. That stadium holds 80k for football. There's no way in hell there were 40k empty seats that night. From where i was sitting i was able to see every seat except directly below us. No way did the empty seats in the upper 400s equal 40k. In the 300s and lower there were only a few rows here in there empty. Whoever did these numbers for some of the shows needs to retake basic math.

It does seem strange for a promoter to under-report numbers. If anything, it makes more "sense" to over-report, to make something seem more successful.
Where are those numbers from though? As others have stated, some seem pretty far off. They don't look official to me. Or they need to reevaluate how they formulate these numbers, because I'd contest quite a few of them. Some may be too low, others may be too high. Bottom line, I don't believe these are official numbers.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: dmathski on September 01, 2016, 12:18:03 PM
Very impressive for sure!!    :beer: :peace:


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Spirit on September 01, 2016, 01:14:13 PM
Where are those numbers from though? As others have stated, some seem pretty far off. They don't look official to me. Or they need to reevaluate how they formulate these numbers, because I'd contest quite a few of them. Some may be too low, others may be too high. Bottom line, I don't believe these are official numbers.


Maybe the thread starter could jump in and clarify the source of the numbers?

bolton?


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: tim_m on September 01, 2016, 08:52:53 PM
Not sure why some of those numbers seem off to you.  You have to remember that because of stage set ups you lose all of the seats behind the stage.  Sure the pit and floor seats gain some of those back, but not the full seating.

Regardless according to those figures it seems like the East Rutherford shows were 1 ticket away from a double sell out  :hihi:

This is from 2014 for a concert at Gillette Stadium:

Luke Bryan broke the attendance record for a single-day country music concert at Gillette Stadium near Boston on Sunday night (Aug. 10) with more than 60,000 fans in attendance. Special guest Dierks Bentley and That?s My Kind of Night tour openers Lee Brice and Cole Swindell were also part of the lineup.

This was an end stage show with the seats behind the stage unsold. The first night at Gillette was packed, the second night they closed the third deck... so that means if the numbers are correct then on night one they would have sold ~15k less tickets than Luke Bryan and came in the second night at ~20K seats (which is much more than the upper deck being open. In two nights GnR did only 5k more than Luke Bryan did in one night?

I was at that Luke Bryan show with my wife, and was at Night One at Gillette... there weren't 15-20k less people there that night.
Yep at my show at AT&T stadium. That stadium holds 80k for football. There's no way in hell there were 40k empty seats that night. From where i was sitting i was able to see every seat except directly below us. No way did the empty seats in the upper 400s equal 40k. In the 300s and lower there were only a few rows here in there empty. Whoever did these numbers for some of the shows needs to retake basic math.

It does seem strange for a promoter to under-report numbers. If anything, it makes more "sense" to over-report, to make something seem more successful.
Where are those numbers from though? As others have stated, some seem pretty far off. They don't look official to me. Or they need to reevaluate how they formulate these numbers, because I'd contest quite a few of them. Some may be too low, others may be too high. Bottom line, I don't believe these are official numbers.
Hard to believe they are true when one of the reviews of my show had a picture of the crowd with a caption below saying there were about 60k at AT&T stadium.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: russkwtx on September 01, 2016, 10:26:12 PM
I agree with Tim. I was at the Arlington show and was on the floor. I looked up and around many times and I saw full sections. There were a few scattered empty seats in the 400 level but basically the rest of the stadium was full. If you assume that capacity was 60,000 there had to be at least 55,000 people at the concert. There is no way in hell that there were 20,000 empty seats. No way.

You would think that coming up with correct numbers would be easy. You count how many tickets were sold. But I guess not.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: McKenzie on September 01, 2016, 11:18:11 PM
This is the "source":

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/216306-not-in-this-lifetime-tour-will-be-one-of-top-grossing-tour-ever/#comment-4257591


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: tim_m on September 02, 2016, 12:00:45 AM
I agree with Tim. I was at the Arlington show and was on the floor. I looked up and around many times and I saw full sections. There were a few scattered empty seats in the 400 level but basically the rest of the stadium was full. If you assume that capacity was 60,000 there had to be at least 55,000 people at the concert. There is no way in hell that there were 20,000 empty seats. No way.

You would think that coming up with correct numbers would be easy. You count how many tickets were sold. But I guess not.
Yep, i mean there were a few in the upper most 400s on the side not entirely full. The rest of the stadium? Very few empty seats. At most a row or two here and there. I don't know how many seats were in the sections that weren't sold. Most of hose were 400s. I was surprised some of those weren't sold. From where i was it looked like they could've sold a few more in the 400s on the side without the view being obstructed. Like you said though, there's no way the number of empty seats were anywhere close to 20,000. Including seats that weren't even available for sale.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: pilferk on September 02, 2016, 06:29:37 AM
This is the "source":

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/216306-not-in-this-lifetime-tour-will-be-one-of-top-grossing-tour-ever/#comment-4257591

The OP, in that thread, says he got it from a friend (which, to me, means NOT official) and acknowledges it could be crap.

So....there you go.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: jarmo on September 02, 2016, 07:11:31 AM
Until I see these numbers on some kind of official web site, such as Billboard, I consider them work of fiction.

Apologies to anyone who might feel personally insulted by that.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: D-GenerationX on September 02, 2016, 07:58:52 AM
This is the "source":

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/216306-not-in-this-lifetime-tour-will-be-one-of-top-grossing-tour-ever/#comment-4257591

The OP, in that thread, says he got it from a friend (which, to me, means NOT official) and acknowledges it could be crap.

So....there you go.

OK, so what's the expectation then?

I guess I'm wondering why so quick to downplay what appears to be pretty solid numbers.  Venues at 95% capacity and a $132 million take.  That's pretty awesome.

I would expect this sort of skepticism around here if the numbers were bad.  Much for the same reason we were always advised to distrust any video clip where Axl sounded bad.

Are we suggesting these numbers are underreporting the situation?  If these are "fiction" from a guy that knows a guy, wouldn't a GNR superfan lean more towards exaggerating towards the positive?


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: pilferk on September 02, 2016, 08:27:00 AM
This is the "source":

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/216306-not-in-this-lifetime-tour-will-be-one-of-top-grossing-tour-ever/#comment-4257591

The OP, in that thread, says he got it from a friend (which, to me, means NOT official) and acknowledges it could be crap.

So....there you go.

OK, so what's the expectation then?

I guess I'm wondering why so quick to downplay what appears to be pretty solid numbers.  Venues at 95% capacity and a $132 million take.  That's pretty awesome.

I would expect this sort of skepticism around here if the numbers were bad.  Much for the same reason we were always advised to distrust any video clip where Axl sounded bad.

Are we suggesting these numbers are underreporting the situation?  If these are "fiction" from a guy that knows a guy, wouldn't a GNR superfan lean more towards exaggerating towards the positive?

Because right is right, truth is truth, and wrong is wrong, fiction is fiction. And this is where (at least for me) your narrative of "that only applies when things are bad" goes off the rails. ;)

It's really as simple as that.  It's not about over or under reporting, here.  It's just about accuracy.  And there are numbers in that list that flat out don't make sense, don't jive with what people saw, or don't jive with previous reporting. So until we see them "officially" released, it's hard to actually form any conclusions.  Maybe they're dead on accurate, in terms of official numbers, and there's just some typos in there.

If you're asking me what the motivation would be to "make up" a set of numbers...I have no idea.  Attention? Trolling? Or maybe the FOF just got bad intel? I mean, those are just some of the possibilities.

And if you're asking why, if they're made up, why aren't they more glowing? Maybe just to appear more grounded in reality so everyone didn't, at first glance, go "no fucking way"?

They might be in the ballpark, even (I actually suspect they are).  Who knows.  But given the discrepancies and obvious "issues", I'm with jarmo.  Until someone official publishes them, I remain a skeptic. There's just too many things in there that don't look right.



Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: MrMojoRa on September 02, 2016, 09:34:47 AM

Guns N' Roses
07/14/16
Lincoln Financial Field
Philadelphia, PA
Live Nation
Wolfmother
49,328
49,328
100%
$49 - $254
$4,883,474



Philly was not 100%. It was close, probably about 1,000 to 2,000 shy of 100%.
 

I know one thing, God, Satan, Buddha, or whomever your God is, & Mother Earth LOVE GNR. It did not rain during any of the US shows. That is divine intervention!!




Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: TheBaconman on September 02, 2016, 09:42:18 AM
So I know a lot of tickets were still for sale on resale sites, etc, for most shows.

So when you people are saying, "I was at a show and I say some empty seats, blah blah"

Doesn't mean they were not bought and paid for.  They could of easily of been and just sitting on the resale market


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: sky dog on September 02, 2016, 09:58:29 AM
that is true Bacon....

As for the numbers, you would have to have a pretty active imagination to come up with that list. However, I agree that until I see it on Billboard or Pollstar, I can't buy all the way in.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: pilferk on September 02, 2016, 10:05:46 AM
that is true Bacon....

As for the numbers, you would have to have a pretty active imagination to come up with that list. However, I agree that until I see it on Billboard or Pollstar, I can't buy all the way in.

C'mon..we've seen much more "interesting" and "creative" things over the years here, from fans. Weird web sites, haunted fax machines, altered photos, "Axl's" favorite pillows (Love you Coy, still in my play list!), outright FAKE "leaks" from CD, fake CD cover art passed off as real, various eccentric "insiders"..the list goes on. On the scale of crazy...."stuff"...that we've seen here, made up numbers (and I'm not saying they are, just saying IF they were) wouldn't even crack the top 5.  Maybe not even the top 10. ;)


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: sky dog on September 02, 2016, 10:09:27 AM
tis true.  :hihi:



Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: draguns on September 02, 2016, 03:23:10 PM
This is the "source":

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/216306-not-in-this-lifetime-tour-will-be-one-of-top-grossing-tour-ever/#comment-4257591

The OP, in that thread, says he got it from a friend (which, to me, means NOT official) and acknowledges it could be crap.

So....there you go.

OK, so what's the expectation then?

I guess I'm wondering why so quick to downplay what appears to be pretty solid numbers.  Venues at 95% capacity and a $132 million take.  That's pretty awesome.

I would expect this sort of skepticism around here if the numbers were bad.  Much for the same reason we were always advised to distrust any video clip where Axl sounded bad.

Are we suggesting these numbers are underreporting the situation?  If these are "fiction" from a guy that knows a guy, wouldn't a GNR superfan lean more towards exaggerating towards the positive?

Maybe it's the fact that I work for a news organization, but I would wait until the official news is out. If any of our reporters write an article or post numbers, I'll post the Bloomberg link.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: D-GenerationX on September 02, 2016, 03:33:35 PM

Philly was not 100%. It was close, probably about 1,000 to 2,000 shy of 100%.
 

I don't know, man.  Looked pretty jammed.

Every time the house lights blared in between songs, I scanned the crowd. Even the nosebleeds looked pretty packed.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Ali on September 02, 2016, 04:51:06 PM

Philly was not 100%. It was close, probably about 1,000 to 2,000 shy of 100%.
 

I don't know, man.  Looked pretty jammed.

Every time the house lights blared in between songs, I scanned the crowd. Even the nosebleeds looked pretty packed.
Even if it didn't look jam-packed, the number reported would be PAID attendance, not # of people who had tickets and showed up at the show.

Ali


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: bolton on September 06, 2016, 01:54:02 PM
http://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore

There is official boxscore so my numbers were correct...Enjoy


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: jarmo on September 06, 2016, 02:27:01 PM
http://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore

There is official boxscore so my numbers were correct...Enjoy


Yes, impressive.  :beer:

The only numbers that were off were the capacity numbers for the two night stands.





/jarmo


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: pilferk on September 06, 2016, 02:28:23 PM
http://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore

There is official boxscore so my numbers were correct...Enjoy

....except...it fixes the typos that were there that were causing the general confusion.

And, as you saw, that was one of the possibilities floated. ;)

I also STILL say those Gillette numbers don't seem right. That would mean capacity was only about 36k per show.  That seems WAY too low.  They might be the official numbers, but...they still seem off.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: pilferk on September 06, 2016, 02:51:20 PM
I'm playing with some numbers, etc, and I want to do some comparisons to the UYI tour, but...I thought this was interesting (and that Gillette number seems WAY high to me, again):

146   AT&T Park
126   Gillete Stadium
123   NRG Stadium
122   AT&T Stadium
122   CenturyLink Field
117   Camping Word
116   MetLife Stadium
111   Rogers Center
111   Nissan Stadium
109   Georgia Dome
107   Qualcom Stadium
107   Soldier Field
107   Ford Field
105   Dodger Field
104   Superdome
99   FedEx Field
99   Lincoln Financial Field
97   Heinz Field
96   University of Phoenix
87   Paul Brown Stadium
81   Arrowhead Stadium

Edit: Fixed a math mistake and missed AT&T STADIUM


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: johnreed3344 on September 06, 2016, 02:55:16 PM
killer numbers


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: pilferk on September 06, 2016, 03:07:07 PM
They sold 1,057,693 tickets for a total revenue of $116,835,698.  They were 95 (94.66)% sold out for the entire tour.

Average ticket price for the whole tour was about $110 (not too shabby, IMHO).

Killer numbers, indeed!! :)

By comparison, the UYI Guns/Metallica/FNM tour sold a total of 1,109,881 tickets and was 95.86% sold out (for a grand total of $29,263,142 in gross revenue)....and they did 24 total NA shows, according to the "boxscore" I can find. :)

And to add more context to the Gillette number being off...max capacity of the old foxboro was listed as 51,038.  I can't believe the current Gillette is 15k LESS than that.

Edit: Fixed math mistake for UYI.

Edit2: What's super depressing is seeing the average ticket price in '92, which was about $27, in comparison to todays, of about $110. :)


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: sky dog on September 06, 2016, 05:15:13 PM
Bolton has a connection at Live Nation or Billboard....as do I but I didn't tap him for the info. Awesome numbers.  :beer:

Pure says the new album sounds like..... ;D


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: bolton on September 06, 2016, 05:24:48 PM
Bolton has a connection at Live Nation or Billboard....as do I but I didn't tap him for the info. Awesome numbers.  :beer:

Pure says the new album sounds like..... ;D
: ok:  Great numbers...They destoyed it...
I was pretty depresed in 2002 or 2006 when Guns sold 5-6k tickets for a show...
This is real thing for fans

Do you know for example that Acdc shiws in US arenas aren't soldout...


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: D-GenerationX on September 06, 2016, 07:52:40 PM

: ok:  Great numbers...They destoyed it...
I was pretty depresed in 2002 or 2006 when Guns sold 5-6k tickets for a show...
This is real thing for fans


Big time agreed.  They were becoming a niche act. 

These numbers are as unbelievable as they are extremely welcome.  Just awesome stuff.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Voodoochild on September 06, 2016, 09:33:30 PM
Pure says the new album sounds like..... ;D
Hahahahahhaa.. that was great.

Now I'm kinda sad that this happened 14 years ago. :(


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: C0ma on September 06, 2016, 11:05:10 PM
And to add more context to the Gillette number being off...max capacity of the old foxboro was listed as 51,038.  I can't believe the current Gillette is 15k LESS than that.

The new stadium seats 67,800 people. The first night was pretty jammed except for the area behind the stage (which is only two levels and a small club). I realize they closed the 300 level for the 2nd night, so the numbers aren't even... however I can't imagine that it's 50k and 21k or even 45k and 26k


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: faldor on September 06, 2016, 11:49:39 PM
And to add more context to the Gillette number being off...max capacity of the old foxboro was listed as 51,038.  I can't believe the current Gillette is 15k LESS than that.

The new stadium seats 67,800 people. The first night was pretty jammed except for the area behind the stage (which is only two levels and a small club). I realize they closed the 300 level for the 2nd night, so the numbers aren't even... however I can't imagine that it's 50k and 21k or even 45k and 26k
Still a little puzzling. Maybe the first night was a sellout of 45k, and the 2nd night was 20k out of 26k total seats, meaning they "eliminated" 19k seats from the seller's market for night 2. Seems like a stretch, but I guess it's possible.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: sky dog on September 07, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
for the 16 shows on the 2002 US Tour, Gnr averaged 8660 tickets sold a night...google Pollstar 2002 year end


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: sky dog on September 07, 2016, 02:48:31 PM
2006 was 8730 according to Pollstar...about the same


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: faldor on September 07, 2016, 04:39:34 PM
2006 was 8730 according to Pollstar...about the same
Surprised 2006 was actually slightly more than 2002. Fueled by the leaks I guess.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: sky dog on September 07, 2016, 05:44:50 PM
people thought the album was coming as well?  :-\


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: TheBaconman on September 08, 2016, 10:10:22 AM
They sold 1,057,693 tickets for a total revenue of $116,835,698.  They were 95 (94.66)% sold out for the entire tour.

Average ticket price for the whole tour was about $110 (not too shabby, IMHO).

Killer numbers, indeed!! :)

By comparison, the UYI Guns/Metallica/FNM tour sold a total of 1,109,881 tickets and was 95.86% sold out (for a grand total of $29,263,142 in gross revenue)....and they did 24 total NA shows, according to the "boxscore" I can find. :)

And to add more context to the Gillette number being off...max capacity of the old foxboro was listed as 51,038.  I can't believe the current Gillette is 15k LESS than that.

Edit: Fixed math mistake for UYI.

Edit2: What's super depressing is seeing the average ticket price in '92, which was about $27, in comparison to todays, of about $110. :)


I wonder what the average age of a concert goer at a gnr concert in 92 was, compared to 2016....   

Very very huge numbers


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: TheBaconman on September 08, 2016, 10:14:48 AM
2006 was 8730 according to Pollstar...about the same
Surprised 2006 was actually slightly more than 2002. Fueled by the leaks I guess.

2006, was fueled by a hot Canadian market

2002, GNR only played once Canadian show that I recal


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: C0ma on September 08, 2016, 07:58:07 PM
2006 was 8730 according to Pollstar...about the same
Surprised 2006 was actually slightly more than 2002. Fueled by the leaks I guess.

2006, was fueled by a hot Canadian market

2002, GNR only played once Canadian show that I recal

Vancouver was cancelled, they actually played shows in Toronto and London.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: raindog on September 08, 2016, 08:22:46 PM
Can't help but see figures like that and think, really, why would they bother making a new album?


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: TheBaconman on September 08, 2016, 08:35:15 PM
Can't help but see figures like that and think, really, why would they bother making a new album?

When an act is as hot as this.  Most out our new music because it's easy money usually.

I give guns credit for not treating new music like just another tshirt they have for sale

If they did relase something now though. It would sell big.   I havnt heard guns played here in Canada so much on the radio in a very long time.   They are hot


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: kyrie on September 08, 2016, 10:46:10 PM
Can't help but see figures like that and think, really, why would they bother making a new album?

When an act is as hot as this.  Most out our new music because it's easy money usually.

I give guns credit for not treating new music like just another tshirt they have for sale

If they did relase something now though. It would sell big.   I havnt heard guns played here in Canada so much on the radio in a very long time.   They are hot

They're played constantly in southern Ontario but it may depend where in the country you are


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: JeffK on September 08, 2016, 10:58:59 PM
Can't help but see figures like that and think, really, why would they bother making a new album?

When an act is as hot as this.  Most out our new music because it's easy money usually.

I give guns credit for not treating new music like just another tshirt they have for sale

If they did relase something now though. It would sell big.   I havnt heard guns played here in Canada so much on the radio in a very long time.   They are hot

They're played constantly in southern Ontario but it may depend where in the country you are

GNR gets played all the time in Saskatoon and Regina on each city's rock stations.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: jarmo on September 09, 2016, 08:27:30 AM
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7503431/guns-n-roses-tour-117-million-bruce-springsteen



/jarmo


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: sky dog on September 09, 2016, 08:56:21 AM
sweet....


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: bolton on September 09, 2016, 03:49:58 PM
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7503431/guns-n-roses-tour-117-million-bruce-springsteen



/jarmo

So with SA dates it will be more than 200 millions...This score is without LV and Mexico dates,?


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: sky dog on September 09, 2016, 11:10:49 PM
yes....it seems to be just the NITLT...


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Spirit on September 10, 2016, 09:12:01 PM
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7503431/guns-n-roses-tour-117-million-bruce-springsteen



/jarmo

So with SA dates it will be more than 200 millions...This score is without LV and Mexico dates,?

Not sure.. using the Mexico ticket-prices as a template (I haven't checked the actual prices for the SA tour), I think they will be at a total around $175 million after the Latin American leg. (between $40 and $45 million for the shows).

Then, using gross numbers from the States as a template for Japan and Oceania, they'll be at around $225 million after those legs ($10 million for the Japan dates and $40 million for the Oceania dates).

If we assume a very similar to the US trek in Europe to follow, but say 20 shows, I'm thinking around $100 million there.

That amounts to $325 million and an attendance of about 3.4 millions come the same time next year.



Then, maybe a new round with "smaller" venues (arenas). If we (for the fun of it) assume a new visit to the same countries or swapping some of them with a few new ones, and a gross of about a third the shows they're doing at the moment, they could end up at around $430 million total when finishing the world tour.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: SkeletorSerpent on September 10, 2016, 09:48:41 PM
The tour numbers are out of this world! So proud of GNR, this year's been a dream come true for us fans, to see our band vindicated. To see them on top of the rock n roll world. Axl has been as close to flawless as possible. He is doing everything right.

This all proves that GNR is everything we (die hard board members) have said they were and believed they were. We have the "last laugh" at all our rock friends who laughed at us or dismissed us when we never ceased to argue that GNR belong in the pantheon of all time greats with the Stones, Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and AC/DC. We always argued that their extreme quality of music and cultural impact solidified their legacy and outweighed their lack of longevity and musical output. Hey, The Beatles only had a good 5 years. And Zeppelin only had a good 7 - 8 years of dominance. Great bands don't need longevity to be one of the greats. GNR had a good 6 years of rock n roll dominance and then they were gone. That is enough to forever solidify their legacy. In addition, they produced the greatest hard rock album of all time. Even Shakespeare wasn't a prolific playwright, but what he lacked in quantity he made up for in quality.

All in all, we remembered just how damn big and great they were. A ubiquitous cultural force. They owned MTV. They owned rock music from 87 - 93. They were like the high school burnouts who crashed the preppie, popular homecoming dance to be crowned King for a night and stole the show. GNR were party crashers on the bubble gum pop and hairspray rock scenes of the 80s. They had their 15 minutes of fame and crashed and burned . . . . but, like the Phoenix, resurrected themselves from their own ashes and conquered the world again.
A sleazy, straight up hard rock band selling out stadiums in 2016 . . . . just amazing. Black Sabbath, Kiss, Van Halen, AC/DC aren't even doing this. And probably can't anymore. Sorry, but Kiss and Van Halen never came close to the emotional depth of Estranged or the warmth and intimacy of November Rain. The soul of the Stones, the cultural ubiquity of the Beatles, the groove of Aerosmith, the complexity of Zeppelin, the outlaw persona of the great honky tonk country legends (Cash, Hank, Jones, Haggard, Waylon), the emotional depth of Janis Joplin, the soothing solos and production of Pink Floyd, the attitude of the Sex Pistols, the pop sensibility of Van Halen, the angst of the Ramones, the cultural impact of N.W.A., the darkness of Black Sabbath, the beer-soaked honky tonk vibe of Lynyrd Skynyrd, the anthemic, catchy riffs of ACDC. They are the capstone of classic rock-- the ultimate hybrid of rock's greats.
They are simply one of hard rock's all time greats.

I try to explain to my students and young nephews just how "big" GNR were, but it is hard to make any modern day comparisons.
No band has been this sleazy and ubiquitous. There aren't any bands to compare them to now days. GNR was dark and heavy, and they were a dominant pop cultural force. After the GNR era, rock music lost its claim on youth pop culture. GNR were as popular as Katy Perry or Kanye West, yet they had a hard rock sound. Axl was as household name as Byonce. It just won't ever be that way again. Teens and culture have forever and irrevocably moved on to hip hop, EDM, and diva pop music. Hard rock is a niche now.

The world will never see a hard rock band rise to the zenith of pop culture again. GNR were the last hard rock band to be seriously relevant on a mass cultural level.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: bolton on September 11, 2016, 04:56:19 AM
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7503431/guns-n-roses-tour-117-million-bruce-springsteen



/jarmo

Billboard changed numbers and now number is 132  millions...Probablly they added Mexico and Vegas shows...

After SA Guns will be close to 200 millions and will be in first 10 tours ever


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Voodoochild on September 11, 2016, 10:59:33 AM
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7503431/guns-n-roses-tour-117-million-bruce-springsteen



/jarmo

Billboard changed numbers and now number is 132  millions...Probablly they added Mexico and Vegas shows...

After SA Guns will be close to 200 millions and will be in first 10 tours ever
Do you work for Billboard?


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: bolton on September 11, 2016, 12:32:40 PM
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7503431/guns-n-roses-tour-117-million-bruce-springsteen



/jarmo

Billboard changed numbers and now number is 132  millions...Probablly they added Mexico and Vegas shows...

After SA Guns will be close to 200 millions and will be in first 10 tours ever
Do you work for Billboard?
No.Why?


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Voodoochild on September 11, 2016, 03:36:53 PM
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7503431/guns-n-roses-tour-117-million-bruce-springsteen



/jarmo

Billboard changed numbers and now number is 132  millions...Probablly they added Mexico and Vegas shows...

After SA Guns will be close to 200 millions and will be in first 10 tours ever
Do you work for Billboard?
No.Why?
Because you had the numbers first. I was about to ask if you were the one who asked them to correct the numbers.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: bolton on September 12, 2016, 02:04:30 AM
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7503431/guns-n-roses-tour-117-million-bruce-springsteen



/jarmo

Billboard changed numbers and now number is 132  millions...Probablly they added Mexico and Vegas shows...

After SA Guns will be close to 200 millions and will be in first 10 tours ever
Do you work for Billboard?
No.Why?
Because you had the numbers first. I was about to ask if you were the one who asked them to correct the numbers.
I have a friend who works in music industry ,he have a great contacts in billboard and live nation....
Also He said that they excepted 5.000.000 $ per show on SA tour and that would be more than 200 millions...
He said that maybe GNR will play US again in August-Novemver 2017,and they will do mix arenas +stadiums...
He thinks that nitl tour will be bigger than Police reunion tour...


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Voodoochild on September 12, 2016, 08:56:35 AM
I have a friend who works in music industry ,he have a great contacts in billboard and live nation....
Also He said that they excepted 5.000.000 $ per show on SA tour and that would be more than 200 millions...
He said that maybe GNR will play US again in August-Novemver 2017,and they will do mix arenas +stadiums...
He thinks that nitl tour will be bigger than Police reunion tour...
Thanks. :)

I think it makes sense to get back at US again after Europe. Not sure if they would consider a new album because of that, honestly don't know how that works...

How big was the Police reunion tour?


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: bolton on September 12, 2016, 10:10:30 AM
I have a friend who works in music industry ,he have a great contacts in billboard and live nation....
Also He said that they excepted 5.000.000 $ per show on SA tour and that would be more than 200 millions...
He said that maybe GNR will play US again in August-Novemver 2017,and they will do mix arenas +stadiums...
He thinks that nitl tour will be bigger than Police reunion tour...
Thanks. :)

I think it makes sense to get back at US again after Europe. Not sure if they would consider a new album because of that, honestly don't know how that works...

How big was the Police reunion tour?
About 400.000.000 $$...He doesn't have information about new album but he will give numbers of SA dates...


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: The Wight Gunner on September 12, 2016, 12:38:14 PM
I have a friend who works in music industry ,he have a great contacts in billboard and live nation....
Also He said that they excepted 5.000.000 $ per show on SA tour and that would be more than 200 millions...
He said that maybe GNR will play US again in August-Novemver 2017,and they will do mix arenas +stadiums...
He thinks that nitl tour will be bigger than Police reunion tour...
Thanks. :)

I think it makes sense to get back at US again after Europe. Not sure if they would consider a new album because of that, honestly don't know how that works...

How big was the Police reunion tour?
About 400.000.000 $$...He doesn't have information about new album but he will give numbers of SA dates...
The $'s made in some ways are a bit on a non-entity, as it doesn't always equate to bums on seats as to the size of the tour, impressive numbers that said though...


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: bolton on September 18, 2016, 09:28:16 AM
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7503431/guns-n-roses-tour-117-million-bruce-springsteen



/jarmo

Billboard changed numbers and now number is 132  millions...Probablly they added Mexico and Vegas shows...

After SA Guns will be close to 200 millions and will be in first 10 tours ever
Do you work for Billboard?
No.Why?
Because you had the numbers first. I was about to ask if you were the one who asked them to correct the numbers.
Some info for you...Some shows are selling well some not...
River plate second date is 70% sold out,Chile date is almost soldout...Both SP dates are 80% soldout...Rosario and Rio dates sold less than 50% ticketa,Peru too...Medellin sold about 75% of  avalaiable tickets...


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Voodoochild on September 18, 2016, 10:00:58 AM
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7503431/guns-n-roses-tour-117-million-bruce-springsteen



/jarmo

Billboard changed numbers and now number is 132  millions...Probablly they added Mexico and Vegas shows...

After SA Guns will be close to 200 millions and will be in first 10 tours ever
Do you work for Billboard?
No.Why?
Because you had the numbers first. I was about to ask if you were the one who asked them to correct the numbers.
Some info for you...Some shows are selling well some not...
River plate second date is 70% sold out,Chile date is almost soldout...Both SP dates are 80% soldout...Rosario and Rio dates sold less than 50% ticketa,Peru too...Medellin sold about 75% of  avalaiable tickets...
Thanks :peace:

Wonder if the Rio sales were affected because they were announced much later..


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: sky dog on September 18, 2016, 10:43:39 AM
the shows are a month away....I am sure things will pick up rapidly.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Alan on September 18, 2016, 11:03:09 AM
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7503431/guns-n-roses-tour-117-million-bruce-springsteen



/jarmo

Billboard changed numbers and now number is 132  millions...Probablly they added Mexico and Vegas shows...

After SA Guns will be close to 200 millions and will be in first 10 tours ever
Do you work for Billboard?
No.Why?
Because you had the numbers first. I was about to ask if you were the one who asked them to correct the numbers.
Some info for you...Some shows are selling well some not...
River plate second date is 70% sold out,Chile date is almost soldout...Both SP dates are 80% soldout...Rosario and Rio dates sold less than 50% ticketa,Peru too...Medellin sold about 75% of  avalaiable tickets...
Thanks :peace:

Wonder if the Rio sales were affected because they were announced much later..

or because a lot of people have dropped a ton of money on Olympics and Paralympics tickets in Rio so don't have a great deal of disposable income right now


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: TheBaconman on September 18, 2016, 06:25:54 PM
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7503431/guns-n-roses-tour-117-million-bruce-springsteen



/jarmo

Billboard changed numbers and now number is 132  millions...Probablly they added Mexico and Vegas shows...

After SA Guns will be close to 200 millions and will be in first 10 tours ever
Do you work for Billboard?
No.Why?
Because you had the numbers first. I was about to ask if you were the one who asked them to correct the numbers.
Some info for you...Some shows are selling well some not...
River plate second date is 70% sold out,Chile date is almost soldout...Both SP dates are 80% soldout...Rosario and Rio dates sold less than 50% ticketa,Peru too...Medellin sold about 75% of  avalaiable tickets...
Thanks :peace:

Wonder if the Rio sales were affected because they were announced much later..

or because a lot of people have dropped a ton of money on Olympics and Paralympics tickets in Rio so don't have a great deal of disposable income right now

Or a lot of people done there have seen guns tons.   There is such thing as over exposure.  And guns have played South America tons

I know lots of people in South America have gone to past guns concerts thinking they were always going to see the original band but met with a bumblebee.  Puke.

May take some more promotion and effort and possitive shows to sell out these venues


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: jarmo on September 18, 2016, 06:43:30 PM
You just love to whine.

Any reason to whine about GN'R, and you're there.
It's becoming quite boring and it won't continue. The next leg is starting next month I got zero interest in reading your constant whining about the shows.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: TheBaconman on September 18, 2016, 07:09:52 PM
You just love to whine.

Any reason to whine about GN'R, and you're there.
It's becoming quite boring and it won't continue. The next leg is starting next month I got zero interest in reading your constant whining about the shows.



/jarmo


How was that whining ?   

Somone posted that ticket sales are not strong in some SA markets and I expressed an opinion as to why that may be


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: jarmo on September 19, 2016, 04:12:28 AM
Your opinion involves the word puke and is often negative.

That's why!



/jarmo


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: bolton on September 19, 2016, 07:25:00 AM
Your opinion involves the word puke and is often negative.

That's why!



/jarmo

NO.I'm not negative.This is pretty positive topic and my source said that most of SA shows have very good selling except few.
Also I'm sure all shows in SA will be soldout.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: jarmo on September 19, 2016, 09:21:42 AM
Not you, the other guy. :)




/jarmo


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Voodoochild on September 19, 2016, 09:35:27 AM
I know lots of people in South America have gone to past guns concerts thinking they were always going to see the original band but met with a bumblebee.  Puke.
There is people in South America who are able to read and use this new thing called Internet. ::)

Nobody would go to a GNR concert in the last decade expecting the original members there. They were aware enough.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: TheBaconman on September 19, 2016, 09:57:29 AM
Your opinion involves the word puke and is often negative.

That's why!



/jarmo


Yeah I don't know where puke came from haha. It was in reference to a former band guitar player. 

I am sure all the shows will sell out in sa.  In fact I am sure they will sell out world wide.    Just stating an opinion as to why they may be  selling slowly.   


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: The Wight Gunner on September 19, 2016, 10:30:05 AM
Your opinion involves the word puke and is often negative.

That's why!



/jarmo


Yeah I don't know where puke came from haha. It was in reference to a former band guitar player. 

I am sure all the shows will sell out in sa.  In fact I am sure they will sell out world wide.    Just stating an opinion as to why they may be  selling slowly.   
FWIW, you are dissing somebody who is not only on an GnR album, but to some degree played a significant role in helping keep the band in its  recent past playing live, like it or not, BBF not only coaxed a couple of songs out of the main man, but was good enough to mix with fans at points on the tours and give them a bone.  Call yourself a fan...


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: westcoast_junkie on September 19, 2016, 11:11:52 AM
Bumblefoot rocks! No need to be cruel here.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: TheBaconman on September 19, 2016, 11:13:02 AM
Your opinion involves the word puke and is often negative.

That's why!



/jarmo


Yeah I don't know where puke came from haha. It was in reference to a former band guitar player. 

I am sure all the shows will sell out in sa.  In fact I am sure they will sell out world wide.    Just stating an opinion as to why they may be  selling slowly.   
FWIW, you are dissing somebody who is not only on an GnR album, but to some degree played a significant role in helping keep the band in its  recent past playing live, like it or not, BBF not only coaxed a couple of songs out of the main man, but was good enough to mix with fans at points on the tours and give them a bone.  Call yourself a fan...

Yeah I didn't like him when he joined and really didn't like the way he left.  You don't have to like everything, to be a fan.  


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: jarmo on September 19, 2016, 11:29:28 AM
Yeah I didn't like him when he joined and really didn't like the way he left.  You don't have to like everything, to be a fan.  

Correct. But too bad some feel the need to always find something to complain about relating to GN'R.

Even in a topic about how great the shows have sold.....




/jarmo


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: TheBaconman on September 19, 2016, 11:47:09 AM
Yeah I didn't like him when he joined and really didn't like the way he left.  You don't have to like everything, to be a fan.  

Correct. But too bad some feel the need to always find something to complain about relating to GN'R.

Even in a topic about how great the shows have sold.....




/jarmo


You might think its finding something to complain about, I find its just something to talk about....

People seem to think its ok to complain about peoples posts that they say are all about complaints.  hahaha  How is that ok? 

Its all good though.  This thread doenst need to be about how much I could stand Ron in the band.

GNR is selling huge!  Its a great time to be a fan and usually when a band is on fire like this we get more content!


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: jarmo on September 19, 2016, 11:52:17 AM
It's called moderating. Trying to make you stop voluntarily so I don't have to stop you before the next leg of the tour.  : ok:




/jarmo


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Bazfreak on September 19, 2016, 12:07:19 PM
I live in Rio.
Rio wont sell out, in fact it will be the venue that will sell less tickets in SA I guess.
Promoters are crazy here, offering 2 tickets for the price of 1, for several shows that will be held until the end of the year...such as Black Sabbath, Whitesnake and most recently Scorpions. Tickets for rock concerts in general are simply not selling well.

There`s a logical explanation for this... Olympics and general economic situation in Brazil. Tickets are indeed expensive. All in all...promoters made a huge mistake booking a stadium for a GNR concert in Rio...the most feasible option would be Apoteose venue with an approximate 35k attendance capacity.
Hope it sells better until november but I dont have high expectations...
Also, usually sales go better when there are no shows in Porto Alegre, Curitiba and Belo horizonte...people from these cities come to Rio to attend concerts.

Their last show in town was in a 15K capacity arena and there were several empty seats as I recall...


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: TheBaconman on September 19, 2016, 12:33:26 PM
It's called moderating. Trying to make you stop voluntarily so I don't have to stop you before the next leg of the tour.  : ok:




/jarmo


haha I will be good   Promise


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: bolton on September 19, 2016, 01:05:23 PM
I live in Rio.
Rio wont sell out, in fact it will be the venue that will sell less tickets in SA I guess.
Promoters are crazy here, offering 2 tickets for the price of 1, for several shows that will be held until the end of the year...such as Black Sabbath, Whitesnake and most recently Scorpions. Tickets for rock concerts in general are simply not selling well.

There`s a logical explanation for this... Olympics and general economic situation in Brazil. Tickets are indeed expensive. All in all...promoters made a huge mistake booking a stadium for a GNR concert in Rio...the most feasible option would be Apoteose venue with an approximate 35k attendance capacity.
Hope it sells better until november but I dont have high expectations...
Also, usually sales go better when there are no shows in Porto Alegre, Curitiba and Belo horizonte...people from these cities come to Rio to attend concerts.

Their last show in town was in a 15K capacity arena and there were several empty seats as I recall...

.this isn't the same band...Last US tour had 7000 tickets per show and NITL 50000...Big diferwnces,right


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: Spirit on September 19, 2016, 02:32:51 PM
I live in Rio.
Rio wont sell out, in fact it will be the venue that will sell less tickets in SA I guess.
Promoters are crazy here, offering 2 tickets for the price of 1, for several shows that will be held until the end of the year...such as Black Sabbath, Whitesnake and most recently Scorpions. Tickets for rock concerts in general are simply not selling well.

There`s a logical explanation for this... Olympics and general economic situation in Brazil. Tickets are indeed expensive. All in all...promoters made a huge mistake booking a stadium for a GNR concert in Rio...the most feasible option would be Apoteose venue with an approximate 35k attendance capacity.
Hope it sells better until november but I dont have high expectations...
Also, usually sales go better when there are no shows in Porto Alegre, Curitiba and Belo horizonte...people from these cities come to Rio to attend concerts.

Their last show in town was in a 15K capacity arena and there were several empty seats as I recall...


People were saying the same thing about the US leg of the tour, but when the time came and the shows started, the stadiums were as good as filled up.

I think we'll see the same for the upcoming shows... pretty much packed venues.


Title: Re: Not in this lifetime tour boxscore-Pretty impresive
Post by: bolton on September 30, 2016, 01:54:27 PM
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7503431/guns-n-roses-tour-117-million-bruce-springsteen



/jarmo

Billboard changed numbers and now number is 132  millions...Probablly they added Mexico and Vegas shows...

After SA Guns will be close to 200 millions and will be in first 10 tours ever
Do you work for Billboard?
Maybe thos is out of topic but these are number till the 2009...
USE your illusion tour was tour with the most people...There is a list.
Biggest Tours by Attendance
(in 000's)
1   Guns N Roses   - Use Your Illusion   (1991-1993) 7000
2   Rolling Stones   - Steel Wheels   (1989-1990) 6500
3   Rolling Stones   - Voodoo Lounge   (1994-1995) 6400
4   Pink Floyd   - Division Bell   (1994.)   5500
5   U2   - ZooTV   (1992-1993)   5400
6   Rolling Stones   - Bigger Bang   (2005-2007) 4800
7   U2   - Vertigo   (2005-2006)   4620
8   Rolling Stones   - Bridges To Babylon   (1997-1998)   4577
9   Michael Jackson   - History   (1996-1997)   4500
10   Michael Jackson   - Bad   (1987-1989)   4400
11   Tina Turner   - Break Every Rule   (1987-1988) 4000
12   Tina Turner   - Foreign Affair   (1990.)   4000
13   U2   - PopMart   (1997-1998)   3936
14   Rolling Stones   - Licks   (2002-2003)   3500
15   Michael Jackson   - Dangerous   (1992-1993) 3500
16   Tina Turner   - Wildest Dreams   (1996-1997) 3500
17   Eagles   - Hell Freezes Over   (1994-1996)   3400
18   Robbie Williams   - Close Encounters   (2006.) 3400
19   U2   - Elevation   (2001.)   3400
20   Police   - Reunion   (2007-2008)   3300
21   Bruce Springsteen   - Magic (2007-2008)   2600
22   Celine Dion   - Lets Talk About Love   (1998-1999)   2500
23   Celine Dion   - Falling Into You   (1996-1997) 2500
24   Bon Jovi   - Lost Highway   (2007-2008)   2500
25   Celine Dion   - Tacking Chances   (2008-2009) 2400
26   Madonna   - Sticky & Sweet   (2008-2009)   2337
27   Bon Jovi   - Have a Nice Day   (2005-2006)   2002
28   The Jacksons   - Victory   (1984.)   2000
29   Queen   - The Game   (1980-1981)   1700
30   Madonna   - Confessions   (2006.)   1210
31   Queen   - Magic (1986.)   1075
32   Madonna   - Re-invention   (2004.)   900
33   Madonna   - Drowned   (2001.)   730
34   The Jacksons   - Triumph   (1981.)   700
35   Rolling Stones   - No Security   (1999.)   57