Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Just picked up half price pit tickets from ticketmaster! :peace: :peace: :peace:

Im mad I paid full price for pit when they went onsale... Oh well. I've spent thousands on useless things. What's a few hundre? (Alot  :crying:)

Let's goooooo!!! Where is the party tonight guys?!

I think Brick has a party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lE-tdtGed8

Ill try periscoping again JBAT81. From Pit..

But piece of mind is worth something though.

I can only speak for myself.  But I needed to KNOW I had tickets that first day.  I could never chance waiting.

Ur def righg!!! Thts the main reason I did it. Is like an old saying in spanish... Bring ur umbrella just in case

Yeah baby! Upgraded! Sec 138...no more nosebleed. Free upgrades if you bought 300's...not opening upper level...not a "sell-out", but awesomeso far! : ok:

Lenny just finished. 

Let the change-over begin!!!

They came on around this time yesterday?

Guns Firing!!!

http://www.periscope.tv/rachellpaula21/1rmxPDwNZPVxN

Intro!!!

Apparently, the periscoper got a seat upgrade and is currently moving to a better location.
 

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1ypKdPyYRLrKW

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1djGXXmnyBPGZ

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1OyJAbRQRWoxb

I'm gonna say Perfect Crime later tonight.

I love Perfect Crime, but if they play faster than already is, they better get their cardio update. :hihi:

I amazed by how great YCBM is sounding, especially the last few shows.
Axl is putting a big effort in it.
It was, IMO, one of his weakest vocals...and now it's GREAT!

Where do you guys think a medley would fit ? consisting of what songs ?

You mean in the previous years ?
apparently his vocal exercises shows !

Not sure. I liked the Patience/Imagine combo.

yes that is great ! and the duff's combo too.
Think of a Locomotive intro jam followed by a Spaghetti song and then close with a CD song dropped off the setlist.could be interesting.

Welcome To The Jungle / Madagascar / Paradise City

Catcher!

CATCHER!!!!

Catastrophe...  :hihi:

SON OF A BITCH! I missed it by a night!

uh Catcher !!!  :love:

Waiting for Slash's solo.... :)

Catcher :D :D :D

Loving all the CD songs being played so far  :yes:

Catcher  :love:

(I hope that they will play Oh My God during this tour. It's so sad that they haven't played that song since 2001).

I'm watching Slash.....on CATCHER IN THE RYE!!!! Goose-fuckin-bumps!!!!

Slash nailed the solo.maybe better than This I Love solo.

Solo was great!

With Catcher now being played and not being mentioned on  the setlists we've seen, that opens up for any other songs as surprises I think.

Slash finished CITR very very well.

Fuck i gotta see Catcher

No. I mean even from the April shows.
There's a big difference, it's much better now.

Yep clearly adding anything they feel comfortable with not just songs on the alt list. I wouldn't be surprised to hear most of CD by the end of the tour.

Do these shows inspire Slash to write the music for Coma pt.2?

Best band Intro segment of the tour so far.


Axl is in a GREAT mood!!

It's great to see they have gotten comfortable enough to start adding stuff and not on autopilot like they were early on in the tour. Excited to see what else they may add from the alt list as well as what isn't on it.

hey voodoo, what is Slash playing now??

Slash is a real mensch for playing all of these CD songs.  He's checked his ego at the door and is playing lights out!  

yes please !

I'd love to see them take on madagascar and SOD next. Get Dizzy in the spotlight on the piano again.

I missed that. What did he say?
Only heard something about being professional?

So,perhaps singing for ACDC is the key.  :)

I would love to hear Melissa on the piano as well.

That would be cool. Don't know if they'll do it though. I'd also love to see Dizzy do the Baba instrumental again.

I got here late tonight. How's the attendance compared to last night?

From what I can gather they've packed the floor, the lower bowl + tier 2 on the one side.

Said Frank was NOT from Brooklyn which led to Frank cracking up, so they must have had some conversation on their off time about that.


Then introduced Melissa as being highly intelligent and then made the "how's that for being professional?" comment.


Seems to be some inside jokes going on tonight.

So maybe half full or maybe 2/3. Not bad for a second night mid week.

Best I've heard Axl singing Better so far.......


EVER!! WOW!!!!

I can't say enough how much i love Melissa vocals on this song. She adds a dynamic that's been missing since Tracy and Roberta in the early 90s imo.

As good as Rock Am Ring I would say

Axl used to introduce Frank as being from Brooklyn but has since corrected himself and now it's an "inside joke"

I say Better   :hihi:

25k seems to be the number going around, so about half of yesterday's attendance. Still good.

Man I love the new Better intro!
Still like the old TIL solo though....

Hell that would still be too many for say TD Garden.

What did Axl say at the end of Out at get me?

Take that something something something....... ?

....to your Boston Massachusetts hearts

I don't know, i didn't catch what he said either.

I couldn't tell. He certainly went off though.


Edited to Add: Spirit said above...."....to your Boston Massachusetts hearts"

Does slash have new ink on his inner left forearm?

He had a rose before but it looks darker tonight.  Maybe  had it reworked or a name covered or something?

"Where everybody knows your name , and they?re always glad you came"  :beer:

He should have taken the opportunity to play it as his piano solo

http://www.periscope.tv/Jbat81/1BRJjkaXBlLxw



http://www.periscope.tv/SSPHOTOBOSTON/1DXGylnNBXNKM

Not locomotive :hihi:

Slash used to have a Rose with Perlas  name. He covered it with a gun

Thanks

I watch the periscope through my iPhone but then mirror it with AirPlay through my Apple TV on the tv and through the sound system and these concerts sound really good!  Worth a try if you have that setup.  Better sound than your phone.

CITR:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_w4qlLw8tl0&feature=youtu.be

Periscopes spotty now..

Refresh the page.  Jbat81's is working

Refreshing all the time

Gonna get Don't Cry here I think

Sorry.  Corrected it to read that Jbat81's is working.

That one's good thanks

Seeker and PC or will they throw something else in????

They're past curfew in 1 minute... doubtful  ;)

Did the whistle take out jbat?

  :hihi: It's up again

Thanks to Jbat81 and all the periscopers tonight!!!  :beer:

Wow...just wow...what an amazing concert! My kids both agreed that Paradise City, with actual fireworks, was their favorite - but so many other highlights. I was totally thrown off by the 'Better' intro...thought we were getting a kickass new song!  Only lowlight was 10 minute trumpet solo during Lenny Kravitz set. 

I think we were in the first handful of people thru the gate, got a free upgrade on tickets, given a choice between floor and 100's...took 100's...had lots of empty seats around us in 138.

 :beer:

Catcher and the rye  :crying: :crying:

Sorry to the Forum member I spilled beer on lol. Was jjmping...  Hopefully Periscope was good!

CITR by me... I got a lil tipsy today... But enjoy
https://youtu.be/hPThuSVxFuM

Hopefully one day we can hear it again. It's been listed for so long now. Nice to get CATCHER IN THE RYE tonight.

Citr sucks

I hate that song

At least it's a "guns n roses song"

But why play that over any other guns song.

Remember the album lies.   

Where are all those songs?

All play your CD songs all you want. But don't drop actual guns songs from the set list to do that.  Drop stupid covers.  Drop the seeker

Play more songs off of lies!

Move in to the city !

thanks jbat! sounds great. think i was the first comment on your video.

Are you a troll or something? Chinese democracy as an album is very underrated. So many good songs including catcher so what's your problem? The band is on fire, I've never seen Axl this happy, slash is unreal. The band is tight and you're still moaning? Come on. This was never meant to happen and yet we have it. Enjoy it because it won't last forever and just stop moaning for fucks sake.

Nice. Thank you. Slash's work here is good. I'm glad more CD songs coming along.

No it doesn't. That's just your opinion. It's one of my favorite Guns N' Roses songs.


See, opinion.



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From watching the scopes last night and some of the vids this morning...I'd say over half full....maybe 2/3?  Upper bowl and one side of 2nd concourse is empty. Everything else looks pretty packed.  My guess? 30k (if last nights 50k ish was right).

I actually have a PC hooked up to my system (via HDMI). Sounds AMAZING!! :)

Um, they dropped Sorry (which they played the night before). 

it really doesn't matter what song they pick as a "surprise", any (and I mean ANY) GNR song is good. yeah, they probably won't play My World :hihi: but besides that one - just do it.
as for the covers - well... I really dislike KOHD and LALD... I know these are almost considered GNR songs and not covers, but still I feel they could use the two spots for something they actually wrote. no matter if classic GNR, new GNR or solo stuff.

Haters are the biggest fans!  CITR is brilliant!  Slash on it legitimizes it as well.  Each time Slash plays a CHINESE album song, it becomes legit!

He very much has a point. Look Axl has been playing CD songs for the last 15 years or so. Sure there were hiatus years. But Axl had plenty of show where he could play all CD songs with nuGN'R if he wanted to. The time to play CD songs is over now. This is a reunion tour. It shouldn't be a sequel of the CD tour.

There are 50,000 people attending shows now. Let's say 10,000 care a lot about CTIR, Sorry, The Seeker. But there are 40,000 people who bought tickets to listen the classic hits and other songs form AFD, Lies and UYI albums. How do I know this? Because nuGN'R didn't have 50,000 people buying tickets except when they played festivals in Europe or South America.

I don't mind one or two CD songs but not 4 every show, not The Seeker and the jams they do. I know Axl loves The Seeker. Here it's an idea. He can sing The Seeker all he wants when he is the shower

Finally the great citr....sounds goods  :beer: :drool: it needs a little more rehearsing but i like it  :beer:

Great post. This tour's promotion was all about a return to a classic GNR, instead Axl treats it like a continuation of the CD era. I don't mind CD songs in the set, it's a great 'Axl solo' album and it's awesome to hear slash's take on the lead guitar work. But when half the set is covers, jams and Axl's solo work, I think you misjudged and 'betrayed' your core audience. The people who, after 23 years, can finallly see the real GNR live and came to hear classic GNR songs.

That said, Slash (and Duff) take those CD songs to the level they belong at. Respect !

I think Duff & Slash took the decision to play those songs because they like them and obviously in order to reach out a hand to axl. I think it's cool. When new music will come out, probably they'll drop a couple of cd songs.

For fuck's sake, they are killing it....let them play what they want. If you don't want to hear certain songs, don't go. It is as simple as that.

As for Slash's take on CD material....killer. I don't give two shits if it sounds like the album or not. His guitar tone and Axl's voice just mesh. Suck it.  :hihi:

I love that, once again, we've got people who want to find something to bitch about.

The shows are awesome.

They're showing up on time.

They seem to be getting along.

The reviews are good.

The sales are good.

So..what can we nitpick to bitch about? Oh, right..the setlist and pitting the Classic Lineup vs the CD era lineups.  BOOOOOORRRRRRRIIIIIINNNNNNNGGGGGG!

I think it's time for some folks to come to terms with the fact that Slash and Duff RECOGNIZE CD as being part of Guns n Roses.  You can all sit there and think otherwise, call it an Axl solo album, or diss the former lineups and their contributions all you want. It doesn't matter one lick.

Because, at the end of the day, Slash and Duff are up there playing those songs.  I have bad news for you folks... they are acknowledging that CD IS GnR. As much as Suicide, AFD, Lies, UYI 1 and 2, and Spaghetti incident.

They aren't doing a disservice to anyone. They are rocking the fuck out of the material.  If you don't like it, vote with your wallet and don't go see 'em.  Or continue to bitch while the rest of us go to shows, have a blast, and enjoy what we're getting...and we'll keep laughing our asses off at you all the way to the shows.

It really is true: No matter how good it is, someone will find something to bitch about. Ye Gods.

Once again, jarmo...we NEED a like button. ;)

And I echo those sentiments all the way around. Including "Suck it".

Hear! Hear!

And also what Pilferk said. People should stop bitching....

I mean..if there was actually something substantive to bitch about..I'd get it. I even get some of the disappointment over Not enough Adler and No Izzy (a little bit). But this? This is like getting Dom and bitching it's not Moet.

I love "My Michelle".  They swap it in and out of the setlist, and I have no expectation that I'll hear it on Saturday. 

If I don't, and they swap in an extra CD song...do you think I'm gonna bitch? Or be disappointed? FUCK NO!!

As long as they play a killer show (which they've done pretty much every fucking show, so far), I'm gonna leave there on cloud nine.  I will actually, likely, shed a tear or two when they take the stage.  I'm literally getting something that, about 9 months ago (go ahead, check my post history) I didn't think there was a chance in hell we'd ever, ever, ever get. EVER.

I just....given everything that's gone on over the past year...HOW CAN YOU ACTUALLY SIT THERE AND WANT MORE/DIFFERENT?? How can you actually sit there and pick nits?

I don't get it.  I just don't.  That mindset just completely flabbergasts me.

thanks....not trying to be an ass, but, overall, this literally can't be any better.  

The fact that Slash and Duff want to play "Chinese" songs trumps whatever any fan opinions are on what a  "true" Guns N Roses song is, I'm pretty sure they win that argument.   The complaining never ceases to amaze me, the setlist is perfect!  "Coma" is being played on a nightly basis...a NIGHTLY basis!  Seriously now, let that sink in.

I am sure most of you here love hearing the "Chinese" songs.  For obvious reasons, this tour it has brought a lot of the old fans out of the woodwork, and when they play the songs from CD it definitely feels like a treat for the diehards who continued to follow the band over the years.  The most exciting points of the shows I have been to so far were "Coma" and watching Slash's take on the "Chinese" material.  

I love it!  It's awesome to hear his take on the material!

Pilferk, too funny...my brother, wife and I are going next week. Bro and I saw 3 UYI shows together...wife has never seen Guns. My brother said he may need to wear sunglasses to cover up the tears...same here. Our mom died in 1991 and we drove to Noblesville Indiana for 2 shows....a lot of emotion there. It is gonna be awesome to see and my buddy at Live Nation says they expect 45-55k in the ATL....daughter wants to go too but not with her parents! ;D

They added Sorry to the previous setlist. Didnt replace any old song for it. Now they played Catcher instead of Sorry. I'm not a mathematician, but seems like there's no subtraction here.

Get real: the setlist is mainly AFD songs with some Illusions, including some rare songs like Coma and tracks they didnt play for years like Double Talkin Jive. Now they've added a spot to a CD song in the rotation and you somehow feel "betrayed"? Fuck that.

Also, breaking news - those are Guns N' Roses songs. Moan all you want. Its still GNR. And not even only Axl's, but also Dizzy's (and Richard and Frank stuff in there).

Totally agree - with sky dog and with the like button

This is not about Slash and Duff liking CD, willing to accept that CD is a GN'R album and doing an amazing performance. This is 50,000 people attending shows and what THEY want to listen at the shows.

Do those 50,000 people want to listen VR songs? Only 10 people around forums want that. Then VR sonsgs don't belong in the set list. CD on the other hand is a GN'R album at least from the legal or technical point of view. So ok, play one or two of those. But GN'R shouldn't forget that 50,000 don't buy tickets because they are crazy inlove with CD songs, jams and The Seeker. They want to see Axl and Slash together performing hits and old songs.

Fans attending shows have said here that when TIL or Sorry are being playing they see a lot of people go to get themselves a beer or just go to take a leak.

What a night! Got upgraded to great floor seats.  Get to see them play catcher in the Rye for the first time. Amazing show

The more things change, the more they stay the same. I can guarantee you that I heard not one person complain about too many CD songs or "The Seeker", or a lack of songs off of "Lies" entering, exiting, or at Gillette Stadium. You only get those complaints on the forums. Never fails. In fact, a friend of mine said the should ditch "Coma", a song beloved by all GNR nerds. So as much as you think others would love to hear "Locomotive" or "Move to the City". Different strokes for different folks. Sure Axl can sing the songs in the shower. You could also create your own dream setlist and crank it in the car. Everyone is happy, problem solved.

You're never going to please 50k people. Don't bother trying. What you may like, others may not. As much as you love "Coma" others may tire by the 7 minute mark and decide to head to the can or beer stand. People pick and choose when they head for concessions, it happens at every concert. You're acting like at other band's shows fans stay in their designated area for the entire time and at these shows 40k people head out when 5 certain songs are played. Well, you're wrong. That's all I can say.

No, no it's not about the 50k.  

The fans have zero input on set list, and they shouldn't have any expectation that they do. That's why there's no voting process to pick the songs you want to hear that night.

It's the bands decision. And their opinion on the material is the only one that matters. So, in fact, it IS about whether Slash and Duff want to play the material, and recognize it as GnR.

If the fans dislike the setlist that much, they can not come to the shows, and vote with their wallets. But they won't.  

And, notice...nobody attending the shows (except a very very very few, maybe) is really complaining about the set lists.  Not really. I have not heard one actual "normal" attendee of these shows bitch there was "too much CD". Not. One.

So what if they're getting beer and using the bathroom? Are they walking out of the show in disgust? No, of course not.

There's a good mix in the setlist.  If you want more AFD, drop the album in your CD player, hit play on your iphone, or whatever you need to do to hear more of that album.

I'd also counter, actually, this is a GREAT way for the band to introduce the CD material to "older" fans who might not have had exposure to it in the past, for whatever reason.  

Well, lets aknowledge this thing:
Thank you so much for this. It's an amazing recording for an amazing performance. :D

I also have the same setup as Ja5oN, but actually prefer to use good headphones. And the pic quality isnt always that great to watch in anything bigger than a 10 inch screen.

Agree on pic quality BUT I run everything through a pretty high end home theater tuner, so I'm willing to lose the pic quality for the very loud, and increased fidelity, audio. :)

I see what you are saying, but I am of the opinion it doesn't matter what the fans want, and I say that as a fan.   I would rather see a 100% authentic show full of songs the band wants to play than see them play songs they aren't that into just to please the audience.  GNR has never been about pleasing the audience, they write and perform songs for themselves, and if people happen to dig it, great, if not, they don't care.  That is why they are great.

GNR's only responsibility is to put the best GNR show on they can, whatever THEY think that entails.  If that means one night they put on a one hour free form "Jazz Odyssey" Spinal Tap style, so be it.   :hihi:

Ha, in all seriousness though, like I said I just want to see the band perform the songs that they want to perform.  I have seen the band a bunch of times over the years, I left disappointed exactly zero times.

Another source recorded Catcher. Not as great as Jbat, but with a good view close to the stage in Richard's and Duff's side:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS_F3WEdjv0

I like how Richard uses his Telecaster here. Slash is using a Gibson Explorer? I think it's the same one he used on TWAT in Mexico, right?

Do you prefer to listen with a good speaker? I love it, but a really good pair of headphones will always make it better to me. :)

I don't care what they play, as long as I hear Axl, Slash and Duff playing them. Come on people, did we ever think this reunion would happen? I personally love CITR, so I was glad to hear it. That being said, whatever happen to Madagascar or Blues? I think Madagascar should be a must at every show. I like how they play The Seeker, New Rose (other duff covers), but those can go. I just want to hear GN'R (including Chinese) songs. I also think you have to keep LALD plus KOHD in the set because those are great songs that the band put on their album.

Anyway, hoping for more surprise appearances and different set lists, but really happy with anything. I started listening to GN'R when I was 7 (1987) and they have been my favorite band since. I am just really happy to see the big 3 back together again. This band has the opportunity to put out great music for many years to come and I hope they take advantage of that. So many years were missed and opportunities missed to put out great new music by these 3, hope they do it now.

For Rock, I really do prefer in room, speaker, sound vs headphones. Just a personal preference.  I like feeling the sound fill the room, and bounce off the walls. Just...to me...makes it more powerful.  But I'm a live show junky, and think the sound interacting with the environment is part of that experience, which might explain why I prefer speakers. I totally get why some folks actually prefer the sound to be "cleaner" via headphones, too.  Just a personal preference thing.

I like over the ear headphones for other things (gaming, especially)..but HATE earbuds with a passion.  I agree, headphones are WAY better than trying to listen via phone, tablet, or laptop speakers, for sure!

I remember the rumors were that Slash rehearsed Madagascar before the Vegas shows. I like the song and I think Slash would actually improve it a lot.
Street of Dreams on the other hand would sound really weird to me if Slash played it too far from the original. There's something about Robin's solo that is inherent to the song... But I wonder if he would play the lead in the ending or leave it to Richard (as he always played that part even when Bucket was still in hte band).

One of the reason I like headphones is to catch what Axl is saying between the songs. English is not my 1st language (as you all can see haha) so I need to have a clean sound to get that.
But the main reason is to proper hear the stereo effect in studio and soundboard recordings. For audience recordings it doesnt matter that much.

I actually like in-ear buds. I have a good pair of Sony ones (wired of course, I hate the Bluetooth ones) that I use to go to work, on the subway. At home I prefer to use regular over the ear Sony headphones that I bought in Japan. It was cheap, but has a good quality (with decent bass and crispy mids) for what it is. Still planning to invest in something more high-end like a Senheiser or similar.

I am with you...although I love The Seeker, Wish You Were Here, Layla, Godfather etc, it would be neat to hear a whole set of songs officially released on Gnr albums.

That's right.  I am a fool

They should play more covers!   What was I thinking!

Nobody said that, either. Either piece of it.

Not more. But no need for less, either.

It's a good set list.  They're good shows.  Anything beyond that is, honestly, nitpicking.  It's complaining about some very minor thing that YOU would like changed for a personal preference reason. Not because "they should", but because you'd LIKE them to.

They're up there, playing their asses of, night after night, putting on amazing, awesome, tremendous shows. Right?

Everyone, at every show, could probably come up with their own "perfect" setlist.  And it would probably vary from person to person to person.  Nobody is ever, likely, going to get their own personal GnR mix tape at a show.  If that's anyone's expectation, and the only way they're going to be happy, they should probably stay home and cobble together a setlist from youtube.

They should play whatever THEY want.

How many times have u see GNR?

A lot of that I'm OK with, because they are taking the place of solos (which were there in the 90's, too) or acting as intros.   And...look...the way the band works, Axl needs a couple breaks to catch his breath and hydrate.  So you're not going to sub in something for, say, Wish you Were hear, Godfater, or New Rose that Axl has any involvement in.  So, in those cases, it's not really a chioice.

Which really only leaves The Seeker.  And they like it. Maybe it'll get recorded and released on the next album. IDK.

I know this is to Bacon, and obviously he should chime in...but I think MetLife will be lucky number 13 for me? I gotta sit down though and really count to be sure.  More than 10, less than 15. :)

Another Catcher........


https://youtu.be/7KVu5rBcuok


Amazing that they're going to keep adding to the setlist as the tour progresses. It's pretty official that once we hear them sound checking a song, it's debut is coming.


Slash was fucking amazing on Catcher. Just. Fucking. Amazing!!!


Slash DOES make everything better.

So long as CITR is in place of another CD song swapped out, I don't see the harm.

But 3 CD songs should be the absolute max.  They aren't moving 40,000 to 50,000 tickets to hear a plethora of CD tunes.

Get real.

I don't think Madagascar fits Slash's style at all. Maybe he could do something good on the solo, but the whole song is too "modern" for him, I guess.

I think the same way about Rhiad, IRS, If The World, etc.

I think the CD songs that fit Slash's style have all been played, except for Street of Dreams.

Agree with all of this.

Those 40 to 50k people should wake the fuck up and buy CD.


Looks like it'll be 4 CD songs. I can't see anything else getting bumped.

On the flip side, they also aren't moving 40,000 to 50,000 tickets to hear Perfect Crime...those tickets are being moved by "The Greatest Hits"....However, I do agree 3 CD songs are sufficient. Lies is basically not heard from at this point....which is suprising.

Oh well, I am all good one way or the other.

The only one I could see getting worked in with Slash is IRS from the list above... I think he could add his 'thing' to that song.

For those complaining about not hearing the exact songs they want, just go to the bathroom then and get a drink.  2.5 hours is plenty.  Rarely does anyone get all the songs they want at any show.  

Whatever they play is certainly good enough.  

Chinese Songs are SLASH approved so to me they now are part of the catalog.  Had slash been on that album, this would be a moot point.

Maybe. But I don't really like IRS. Its structure is weird, with the heavy parts intercalated with the slow parts. And the lyrics are silly.

It's got a great chorus, though

Amazing show last night.  I talked to Frank for a quick second.  He was down in the pit by himself for the Kravitz set.  Very cool.

I think those 40 to 50k are there to see the "Big 3" and they're willing to grant some leeway on the setlist, largely, as long as it includes a good sampling of the GH.

Could they do a show playing CD start to finish and have the crowd leave happy? No, probably not.  But then, I think that's true of a good number of bands with a decent sized catalog.

And yes...before anyone interjects, they COULD do a show playing AFD from start to finish and everyone would go home smiling.  If you're trying to say CD isn't AFD..no fucking shit. But neither are any of their other albums.

But 3 or 4 songs a night out of close to 30? Yeah, I can't see the bitching.  

Agreed, loved his ending solo.

4 songs isnt a "plethora". Really. And ever thought that the band thinks its actually a good idea to expose those 50k people to these songs now?

How do we know Slash and Duff "want" to play CD songs?

 A little video of catcher in the Rye that i got from last night https://youtu.be/tSZ1T8HDpiE

Didn't Axl say they took the initiative to learn them?

How do you know they don't?

We know because a) they're playing them (and playing the fuck out of them, I might add) and b) they're rolling out more of them....some which weren't even listed on the "alternates" setlist.

If this was some sort of concession, you'd think that you'd get the 2 songs they'd been playing (Better and CD), and nothing else ever added to the set list from CD.

Face it: They want to play them.  I know some folks have a hard time accepting that, but...I don't really think, at this point, you can actually come up with a good reason to deny it.

He sure did.  Said they came in, and he was expecting them to have to learn them...and they came in knowing them already.

Setlist breakdown:

AFD:         8
Illusions:   8  (9 if Don't Cry makes encore)
Lies:         1  (if Patience makes encore)
TSI:          1  (Duff)
CD:           4
Covers:     1  (Seeker as of late; Whole Lotta Rosie, Riff Raff, earlier this year)


Chinese songs are perfectly placed to not kill the mood for those not familiar with them. Before anybody has a chance to wonder what Chinese Democracy is, Welcome to the Jungle makes them forget. CD is an all out rocker that Slash has a blast playing. He gets youthful spinning around while jamming to CD. He obviously has a blast rocking out to CD.


This I Love seems to be the only song where people fall off a bit. That song is for us, the lovers of the Chinese songs.


Better should be appreciated by all. What a fuckin masterpiece.


Sorry & Catcher in the Rye are for us. US!!! And for Axl.


Does anybody here have any idea if Slash & Duff enjoy putting their spin on Chinese songs? Anybody?? No. We have no idea. My guess is that Slash takes it upon himself to practice Sorry and then CITR. My guess is that he lets Axl know when he's ready to give it a shot live.


Beggars Can't Be Choosers, Bitchers Gonna Bitch, Whiners Gonna Whine, The Pursuit of UNhappiness, all come to mind when I see Chinese Democracy fans complaining about the number of CD songs in a setlist. It's not killing the show. Their inclusion is a nod for us, a nod for Axl, a bridge between 1995 & 2016 connecting what wasn't supposed to happen......Not In This Lifetime.

I would cut out the Seeker from the set and play a illusion song. But that's just me

Fuck it, I'm making my own:

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Seriously, the above post is gold. Well put, and perfectly laid out. I salute you, sir. You are a scholar and a gentleman.

We know they swap Don't Cry and Patience, right? Both songs are classic, big hits GN'R songs. Now CD and TIL are not. Why are those 2 untouchable when this is a reunion tour? Swap those two. Or swap CD and The Seeker instead of doing it with Patience and Don't Cry. Nobody is asking them to play only AFD songs only. Or maybe instead of The Seekeer, why not play some UYI song that hasn't been played since 92 or 93?

Again nobody is asking for a radical change in the set list. Just shake things up a little making sure that old/classic songs are not on the losing side.

Simple answer: They like it this way.  And they're the ones putting on the show.

You don't. Oh well....

Vote with your wallet, if it's that big a deal to you. Plenty of others will (and have) voted with theirs.  We'll see who "wins". I'm pretty sure it won't be you.

And the classic songs AREN'T suffering (see Ra's breakdown, above). CITR was swapped for Sorry, for example.  And Sorry was added in place of NOTHING. New slot in the setlist.  Nobody here is likewise arguing they should absolutely ADD more than 3 or 4 CD songs (which is where we're at now).  It's all GnR material, and it's represented, IMHO, at the level it should be all things considered. And more importantly, it seems to be represented at the level it should be, all things considered, in the opinion of THE BAND. And, no matter what you and I think, THATS WHAT MATTERS.

The set list is fine, and bitching about it is nitpicking of the highest order.  Again, it's proof that, no matter how good it is, there will always be people who find SOMETHING to complain about it.  I've long detailed this EXACT theoretical scenario: That, even if Slash and Duff rejoined the fray, even if they went on, on time, every night, even if they played amazing shows every night, someone, somewhere, would find something to bitch about. No matter what they do, no matter how thy do it, you just can't please everyone (and they shouldn't try, IMHO). Sometimes, I hate being right.

So this thread has, once again, fallen into the 'setlist sucks' pit of despair, like so many before it.  I cannot understand why so many people can't just sit back and go "that was wicked cool - what are they going to do next?"

I was there. It was awesome. The looney tunes opening was awesome for pete's sake. I sat/stood near people who were wearing hot-topic t-shirt of the week(metallica/stones)...not hardcore GnR fans I'm assuming...they really got moving to CD/Better, they swayed to TIL...the only two songs they sung along with were SCOM and PC. I did catch "he sounds like shit" (i'm assuming Axl) and "this must be illusions" which was replied with "spaghetti incident or chinese democracy" during CITR.  He did seem to struggle finding his voice in the begining of that song. It was incredible - and the epic fireworks PC closer was just amazing.

If you don't want to hear the songs they play - don't go. I actually wish people would stop streaming the shows live...the sea of cameras was disturbing...enjoy the show yourself...I understand the basement dwellers want to see what goes on in the real world (and the hardcore fans who cant make it)...but you are ruining it for the guy behind you - who did go and paid for a ticket - trying to look past that bright screen held in front of his view.

Don't worry. I've already have. I'm only going to the shows in L.A. I could go to a lot more. But Izzy and Adler are not permanent members. And the set list is not ideal either.

I'm not sure I'm not in the winning side. Remember the WSJ article? And we know now that the second shows in the big cities are exactly not sold out. Just check StubHub and Ticketmasters

I hate when you are wrong  :rofl:

The tour is an overwhelming success.  Stadium shows during holiday months on weekdays are never expected to be sell outs, much less multiple dates.   I'm looking forward to not seeing you at many of the shows.

They have had 15 years now.

Are you honestly suggesting they were unaware of them?  Or had not heard them?

8 of 10 people at my show were in some sort of GNR garb.  Care to guess how many CD era shirts I saw?

1) The WSJ article was bunk. Proven so by LiveNations press release. Hell, they use MSL as a source..I'm not sure what more proof you need than that, even if the LN press release wasn't out there.  Given their revenue (AT THAT TIME), BEFORE the SA shows, this would be a top 5 tour this year.  I don't know how you can possibly think that's not successful.  And given the fact they expect to sell a HUGE number of tickets (1 million) for the tour by the time it's done...I'd say a whole lot more people are voting MY way, than yours. And hell, you prove my point actually.  You're still going to a show, right? Uh huh.

2) I don't think they expected 2nd shows to sell out. I know that no reasonable person would.  And you don't need to, to make money, which is the primary goal of the promoters.  They seem quite happy with their revenue totals, given the glowing press release.

So, if you hate it when I'm wrong, you must be VERY happy right now.

When you come up with a survey that shows more than 50% of people at the shows don't like the set list, or 50% of potential ticket buyers don't...you might have something worth listening to. Not by me, but by the band and the promoters (who won't care otherwise)  Til then...like I said, I hate it when I'm right. Bitching just to bitch.

What's funny is that EVERY OTHER article about the tour has cited it's overwhelming success, and quality.

But one article, after a show in a market that GnR traditionally does not sell tons of tickets in (Arrowhead was ALSO not a sell out back in the 90's, for the Faith No More, Metallica, GnR tour, either), based on supposition and terrible sources, is held up as the gold standard. Because..it fits the narrative the particular poster wants to be true (even when anyone with eyes can see otherwise).

Second shows were perhaps a bit ambitious, but also gravy.

The show I still can't figure out is Arrowhead.  27,000 people is way light.  And the outlier, thus far.

Someone wanted to play there?  Given history, I agree. It's a questionable venue to hit. Not exactly a hot market for them, even when they (and Metallica) were the biggest band in the world.

But you can hide one break even, or even small loser, among the big sales they've managed at the rest of their shows. 

And you're right. 2nd shows are basically gravy.  Lets you spread costs over 2 shows, and, for somewhere like Foxboro, end up playing to something around 80k in 2 days.  Not too shabby for 2 weekday shows. ;) That's akin to almost a WEEKS worth of arena shows in attendance.

Yeah, they're doing just fine.  : ok:

27,000 is two sold out arenas! Slipnkot is touring w MM/Of Mice & Men and cant sell out arenas/amphitheaters... I told my cousin yesterday before we went that there was only gonna be 20k people. He said "ONLY"??? Is still alot of people. More then any other hard rock/metal band roght now...

But it's the outlier in terms of other towns that only got one show.  That's what I meant.

Also-- I was Chicago Open Air last weekend. It Ramstein, Disturbed and Slipknkt closing from Fri-Sun. Plus many oher bands like 5FDP, KSE, Alter Bridge, Chevelle etc... Not one of those days was there more people then at GNR show right now and GNR is doing it alone! They announced openers wayyyyy after... Metallica is playing a stadium in MN but they have A7X AND Volbeat opening. 2 huge bands... GNR IS DOING FINE.....

Who is saying they aren't?

Is an offhand comment about ticket sales at one show in Kansas City really a DEFCON 1 situation?

I mean..it's a rock band playing in a Kenny Chesney/Taylor swift market.  It's really that simple.

And I'm not putting down those acts (they're not my taste, but they're incredibly talented, popular acts).  But that's the taste of that area, and has been for YEARS.

It was ambitious, for sure. BUT, here's the thing..it was NOT a ghost town.  No, they ddn't manage 35 to 40k+, like other towns have for single, weeknight shows have.  But the place was NOT empty.

I actually think THATS a testament to how well they're doing.  That they could go into a market where they sold about 35k tickets in 1993, for a weekend show, with FNM and Metallica on the bill, and still manage 27k tickets.  

I mean...to me...that's an impressive feat 23 years later.  There are very, very, very few bands who, at this stage of their career, could manage that.

I'd love for them to play Catcher in Met Life on Saturday.  : ok:

Princess Leia was. ;)  Or was trying to imply it, at least.

You're right. Got a lil excited haha

I think I said this in the General thread.

There isn't (that I'm aware of) a curfew for Metlife Shows on the weekends.

They could do a 4 hour marathon, if they were of a mind.

I'm hoping for some surprises. :)

I'd be totally satisfied, though, if we got exactly what we've gotten in previous cities. :)

If I can find a babysitter for my two boys Im def gonna try to go!!  NYC are always "special"... Altho hearing CITR last night from the pit was special to me...

You come down, and we can find a way to be in the same place at the same time, I'll buy a round to say thanks for the scoping! :)

If I do go I will def take the free drink... Because I will be broke!! Haha thnx

Going to be Africa hot though.

Well firstly has this been advertised as a reunion because I don't think it has? It's a 'not in this lifetime' tour meaning slash and Axl back together again. It's not a reunion so just putting that out there. Secondly to me it doesn't matter what the guys play. I never thought in a million years Slash and Axl would be on the stage together again so I'm still getting over that. This right now is too good to be true. I just think moaning about the set list is ridiculous, sure I'd like to see a few changes myself but I just don't see the point in mentioning it. The guys are obviously happy with the set list and while the shows go on, I'm sure they will continue to change a song or two. Meh, I'm just happy regardless. Just think moaning and whining achieves nothing (not saying you are).

I didn't prove your point. I said I'm ging ONLY to the L.A. shows when I could go to MORE if Adler and Izzy were permanent members and the setlist was a bit different.

What do you mean they don't expect to sell second shows? They don't schedule them just for the hell of it. And in some cases when they perfom one show in a given city is not sold out either. We know they have upgraded tickets and the upper decks were closed for some shows. So maybe the WSJ might have a point. That's what I'm saying. I never said MSL was a reliable source. Again see for yourself. Check Ticketmaster and StubHub.

Anyway I don't know why we are discussing this when we were discussing the setlist. I don't know why you brought up my wallet and the winning side crap.

It's really sad when a member of the forum says he doesn't like the covers and CD songs. And all he got was insults and bully. You have the right to your opini?n about the setlist and Baconman has every right to say he doesn't like CITR and The Seeker.

Near 100 during the day.

The 4 hour marathon was just meant as an example.  I doubt they'll do it.  My point was really they can add as much to the set list as they want. Couple extra songs with Adler? No problem.  That extra CD song? Pfft...whatever.  

No fucks need to be given for time of show.  It's all about how long they want (or can) go on and still manage another show the next day.

There's a chance of a passing shower, late...but so far no indications of T-storms.  I'll tell you, if it started to spritz around 9 PM, I don't think anyone but Lenny would bitch..and maybe not even him.

I'm doubling up on the Axe deoderant.  You're all welcome. :P

By 9pm it'll be 85, so as long as you're not pregaming in the lot all afternoon you should be good!

Are you buying a ticket to a show? Yes you are. Despite all the bitching.

So, yeah...you're proving the point. Despite all the whining, you're still going to put your butt in a seat for a show or two.

"I could go more"?  Yeah, sorry..if anything, that just makes all the bitching worth that much less.  You don't even have the strength of conviction to NOT go to the thing you're bitching about. Ugh...


SELL OUT.   They don't expect them to sell out.  They don't. I'm sorry if that concept is foreign to you, or the economics aren't making sense, but they didn't add those shows to sell them out.  They had open dates. First shows sold out fast (mostly).  They figured they could amortize costs and pick up another 25 to 30k in ticket sales.  It makes economic sense.  

And I'm telling you...the WSJ doesn't have a point.  Not suggesting they might not.  Telling you they don't.  They are flat out wrong.  And you can not believe me, but then you have to explain away the LN press release to Fortune giving actual revenue and projected ticket sales information, which would make them one of the top 5 tours of the year.  Go ahead. Have at it.

100 million in revenue when they released the numbers (probably more, now, with walk ups and late ticket sales), 1 million projected tickets sold.

IDK where you're residing, but it's not earth if you think those numbers don't represent a successful tour.

As for the closed upper decks...so what?  So, to you, unless they are sold out every show...it must mean people don't like the set list. Yeah..no.  They're selling 35 to 40k tickets in most of those stadiums, with the upper bowls closed.  That's a successful stadium tour.  Period.


Because, in terms of the setlist, your wallet is the only thing that matters.

1) The band likes the setlist
2) You don't
the only way the band cares about #2 is if enough people feel that way, and it keeps them from going to the shows.

It didn't even keep YOU from going to a show or two. Thus...irrelevant. It's bitching just to have something to bitch about.

And it's not keeping a LARGE number of folks from buying tickets to shows.  We know this by actual attendance figures.

So, at the end of the day, your objections to the set list has exactly ZERO actual value.


Yup, he sure does.

Not liking something does not immediately mean someone should change it to make you happy. Nor does it mean you should make a request for it to be changed, especially in light of everything you have ALREADY gotten, so far, out of this tour.

BUT, having said that, saying they should change the set list just to make you, or Bacon, happy is....well...it's bitching just to bitch.  And proof of my earlier supposition: No matter what, there are some people who are just gonna be unhappy.  They're gonna find something to complain about.  Give them a million bucks, and they'll bitch about the taxes.

And nobody is BULLYING anyone.  How is that you're allowed to express your opinion but others aren't allowed to disagree, and express theirs?

Redds in the afternoon, because AC, food, water, AND libations. :)

But ye gods, I'm gonna load up on sunscreen so I don't turn into lobster boy that evening!

Baconman was called a troll. Well that's not nice neither true. You have to respect other people's opinion. Instead you call that bitchin. Look if someone says he/she doesn't like Coma I'm not going to agree with that. But that's not bitchin. It's just somebody's opinion. Even more if that person paid for a ticket.

There is no obligation to love every single song the band plays. If someone says "I'd like to hear Pretty Tied Up instead of The Seeker" That's not bitching either. It's someone who likes that song and ovbiously wants to here it play in  live show. i don't see anything wrong with that.

I think this tour is all about making concessions and the whole thing was built to mix a bit of what everyone likes, including the fans.

Axl said he knows Slash would love to play Coma and the fans would love to see them playing Coma, so he's playing Coma. Slash and Duff are not the biggest fans of the ballads, but Axl loves them, so they're playing a bunch of them. There's a chance we'll even get Slither!
I'm actually happy they're now mature enough to be able to do this and I don't think they're suffering by doing so. They seem to be having great fun onstage every night, so no ones needs to worry about their well being either.

Regarding CD, we'll never know if Slash and Duff really likes the songs or they're just doing it because otherwise there would be no reunion tour. Even if they say anything publicly about the songs, we have to take it with a grain of salt. They want to keep everything peaceful, just like Axl is being careful about writing a book and getting into another argument with Slash and Duff.
Maybe Slash loves the songs and had to admit they're great songs; maybe he hates playing them but knows that he could never tell Axl. We will never know, just accept this.

As I said, they're considering fans to make this setlist, but they also must be able to play what they want to. Said that, I do think that adding more CD songs will hurt the public's experience. CD is an album that most people never heard and since this is a stadium tour, with most casual fans, they have to take this into consideration.

I'm happy with anything really, but I have to say that I much rather prefer to see them playing more UYI songs than CD songs. Four songs is too much IMO. And no, I'm not whining, I'm just giving my honest opinion and trying to see it as if I was a casual fan. I'll be at the show regardless.

He was ASKED if he was a troll, and obviously by someone not familiar with his posting history. There is a difference, and not just a semantic one.

Bacon is definitely not a troll.

There is a difference between "I don't like" (which is expressing an opinion) and "They should change" (which is bitching).

One expresses your preference, the other forces that preference on the people making the decision, implies that everyone else should/would/does want that samething, and, actually, questions the decision that was made by the band in constructing their set list.

"I'd really like to hear My Michelle at the show" is an opinion.

"They should swap in My Michelle, and replace Sorry, at the show, because they play too many covers and CD songs already" is bitching.

If you disagree...fine.  But, as you are allowed your opinion on set list content, I'm allowed mine on what is, and isn't, bitching.

This is.

They are both just opinions, man.

And you are belaboring the shit out of this.

Sorry, they're not D-X. Not really. Not in context of the discussion.

One is an opinion. The other is asking someone to do something to cop to your wishes.

One is an expression of preference. The other is an expression of entitlement, and that YOUR opinion is the only right one.

One is something you feel, the other is something you want someone to do FOR YOU.

One is an expression of desire, the other is a complaint.

And again...an example that, no MATTER WHAT, people will find something to bitch about.

DX, we had this discussion. I told you, at the time, before this reformation was even a glimmer..that if it all ever happened, even if everything being wished for came to be,that someone, somewhere, would find something to complain about.  They'd never be happy. They'd always want something "more".

I hold this up as exhibit A. 

Am I belaboring this? No, we're rounding out a long standing conversation, and making a point.   And yes..I'm totally bitching about the bitching. 100% fucking guilty.  Though, notice I've not told anyone to STOP bitching..but I'm labeling for what it is. 

If you disagree with what constitutes bitching....and I suspect that's because you've been put in the bitching bucket before...again, that's fine.

But just as you (and they) have the right (within whatever parameters jarmo sets) to bitch, I have the right to point out that it's bitching. Fair enough?

Slash actually makes the CD songs sound like great classic GnR music!

Exactly!

Haha, I HATE Facebook-Like shit, but I'll take it.


Quite the compliment pilferk.


 Thank you   :beer:


Edited to Add: And I completely agree with what's been said as of late in this thread, that Slash brings the Classic-GN'R vibe to Chinese Democracy songs.

Ugh and once again i am reminded why i hate coming here sometimes and reading comments. Same old story bitch, moan, complain. Some people can never just be happy no matter what.

They're also not selling 40-50k tickets for people to hear "Move to the City", "Breakdown", "Bad Obsession", etc. either. As much as WE would like to hear those songs, the vast majority would use those as bathroom breaks. You know full well what songs they NEED to play, and I use that word loosely because they even alternate two songs that would probably fall into that category in "Don't Cry" and "Patience". They're playing 23-24 songs a night, minus the jams. You're never going to come up with a universally accepted setlist, and I have news for you. A large number of the crowd knows "Right Next Door to Hell" just as well/not so well as "Catcher in the Rye". There's a large segment of the crowd who know the hits and that's it. 50k people per city didn't see them back in 92 or have been waiting for the opportunity since then. That's just not reality.

Exactly, you can't win with some people no matter what you play. I've heard the argument before that they play too many ballads. Maybe that's a reason they alternate "Patience" and "Don't Cry" instead of playing them both. Sure you could substitute one for Sorry/CITR, but again if that's what THEY want to play and they're getting rave reviews and sending fans home happy as pigs in shit, then why change a thing?

They've been playing all the "staples." That's the thing about a concert - you're not GUARANTEED anything. If they want to play the entire Chinese record, there is nothing saying they can't. I think at this point you pretty much know what you're getting. A pretty solid set with everything you want to hear, a few covers and a few rotating CD songs.

I like enough of the catalog expanding old band, new band, rarities, covers, Velvet Revolver, Snakepit, Loaded, etc... where they can pretty much do anything and I'll be a happy camper.

I personally view Chinese Democracy, Better and This I Love as three of the weaker CD songs, but if that's what they want to play - so be it. Seems to be a good "get your money's worth" show.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, obviously. But you have to admit, there are certain songs you'd love to hear that others could care less about. It doesn't make one person right or wrong. Izzy and Adler aren't and never were meant to be major players for this tour. The lineup is what it is. They're playing for 2:40 or so a night. They're alternating some songs, maybe they'll continue to add. I'll guarantee you though, people are always going to prefer to hear other songs. I'd venture to guess that this tour is making money hand over fist. You have to work real hard to make it seem like a failure, or even falling below expectations. The sheer fact that they added 2nd dates for a number of cities proves that they've exceeded expectations. I'm not sure you can argue against that.

I'll just disregard the argument about shirts, this is nothing, really. And its not 15 years, but anwyays, not important either.

No, I'm not suggesting they were unaware. I am suggesting they might want people to be exposed to the songs. Maybe they even like it after hearing it live with Slash.

Why? Because people didnt even give the album a fair chance because of who were not in the band. Also, there were tons of casual fans who only knew SCOM, WTTJ and Paradise. Those are being exposed to deeper cuts like Coma and DTJ too. And Im not suggesting they were not aware of the Illusions 25 years ago.

I really hope they keep CITR for the south american shows...its my favorite CD song and one of the best GNR songs to date IMO...brings me back some good memories too, this song means a lot to me!

I love this place sometimes.  

You do not have to like every song and you can still be a huge fan of a bad

I think CITR sucks.  I think a lot of songs on the CD album are bad.  I also think a few are great and one is in my top GNR songs

I couldn't care less if the band plays any CD songs.  I consider them all guns songs.    Good or bad.  Still guns

What I would love to see though is a show with less covers in it and if they are going to include CD songs while not attempting other classic songs.   Please scrap covers and play more guns songs

No matter how long a band plays a cover song for doesn't make it there's.   I hate live and let die.   I really hate knocking on heavens door.   These are not guns songs  and I think it's bad that the band has been playing them so long lots of fans consider them guns songs.    In 10 years are people going to say the same about The Seeker ?

If you have a time limit on a show.  Play as many guns songs as you can.  Just scrap the covers

If you have a no time limit show.   Play what ever the hell you want

Not every post has to be a possitive one.  Not ever my post has to be a damn they sounded great tonight.  Damn I love this and that.  

I think Guns is doing great.  they all seem happy.  

I am also a fan of the greatest baseball team I. The history of the world

Now even though I have such an over top pvr for the GREAT Toronto Blue Jays.   You can still be critical of the team at times

I do love the.  

Just accept the band and everything that's going on now!

And

You can't dislike anything guns n roses   Your not a fan comments.  Haha. They are priceless

My ticket is still booked.  I am still going.   Just like past shows I have seen play. Durring heavens door. I will just go buy some more beer.   Keep on repeating those lyrics.   Ugh.  It's like that kiss song rock in roll all night and party every day.   One verse repeated over and over and over and over again.  

But that's just my opinion.  

Keep the covers coming!

Maybe Slash and Duff just like playing good tunes, same was as they played STP songs.
Not everything has to be a deep statement, conspiracy, or negotiation.
If you like what they're doing, go see them.  If not, save your money.
The endless teenage arguments get old.
Axl, Slash, and Duff are on stage doing great and I had a blast seeing a couple of shows.  I don't really care about how many tickets were or weren't sold or if Seeker is in or not.  I remember 90 minute shows 5 years ago.
The world will continue to turn, and I'm glad GNR is on it dong what they're doing.
Lighten up and have some fun.

Bacon, you're certainly not alone in wanting to ditch LALD and KOHD. That's echoed through these halls for YEARS. But in a live setting they are overwhelmingly received positively. Axl's screams during LALD and the crowd participation on KOHD, they're highlights for many. They aren't going away anytime soon. And as much hate as The Seeker gets it appears to be a staple in the encore. The bridge from a ballad to PC. It works for them, and again the crowd seems to enjoy it. You don't have to like it, but you might want to get used to it. They're gonna be here awhile. Get comfy.

I dont get it. You can complain all you want. Just dont expect to not get replies because of that. Because really, there aint much to complain nowadays.

But hey, whatever floats your boat. If you rather focus on one fucking song you dislike - one that hasnt been played in all previous gigs - than enjoy the gig, more power to you.

Just dont try to act like everybody here is saying we want The Seeker forever in the setlist. I dont mind the song, so I just dont care. Usually, the gig to me is really more exciting in the first half, before November Rain, anyways.

Lol why would shirts matter? I love CD, probably more than old Guns records at this point, but I wouldn't wear a CD shirt. I wear my Appetite shirt all the time.

Not that it matters, but 80% of people wearing GNR garb seems extremely high. I wasn't keeping count, but I don't think it was anywhere near 80% at Gillette. If so, that's awesome.

Yeah, same here Voodoo regarding the first half of the show.


I for one wouldn't miss November Rain if it was removed from the set list. I overplayed that song way too many times back in the 90's. I wore myself out with that song. But it's not going anywhere. That's Axl's moment on the piano. I'm not going to waist my time or energy complaining about it.

It was absurdly high.  It was an awesome sight.

And all that's fine. :)  Nobody is telling you that you can't like what you like or hate what you hate.


But THIS, to me, is  borderline nitpicking (The "I would love" in place of "they should" helps a bit).  Picking out one, small, tiny thing that you don't like about the shows and saying the band should make a change to satisfy your preference is, to me, bitching.

Look. we've got SOOOOO much from this band so far this year.  I just....I don't see the purpose of "asking" them to do more to make you happy.  I don't expect 100% positivity.  But the overall griping about the setlist....is so...I don't know....disrespectful isn't the right word but I'm searching for a better one. Ungrateful, maybe? Nah, still not right, but suffice to say it bugs me.

I'm not saying you should stop. I'm not going to tell you what you can and can't say. But, to me, it's frustrating to read it.  And, also, to me, it proves a long standing point I've made that...no matter what we get from GnR, there's going to be members of this fanbase who are going to complain. 


It's not JUST about the fact they've played LALD and KOHD "forever".  They're actually tracks recorded and published ON GnR albums. And they were hits when they were released off the albums.  Thats the difference, here.  And I know you don't like them, but I PROMISE you that there are casual fans in the audience who do, and who remember them playing in heavy rotation on MTV when they were released. They're part of the Greatest Hits catalog.

The Seeker, I'll grant you, is a cover.  I like the song, but it's not my favorite part of the show, either, especially as part of the encore.  But the band likes it, they play the fuck out of it, and I don't expect them to change it.


The only one you can really scrap is The Seeker (see above on KOHD and LALD).  The others are, really, "Axl mini-breaks".  They have to fill that time with something.  It's either covers (which they're doing) or going back to epic unknown solos.  I know I like this path better. Your mileage may vary.


Nobody is saying that it does.  And I, at least, haven't said you should stop saying what you're saying.

Not understanding why you do it, and not agreeing with you, isn't the same as telling you to STFU.


And part of the reason for all that is likely they have crafted a set list that everyone likes to play.  ;)


When did you become a YANKEES FAN??!! Congrats on the switch, man...though this year..tough. :P


Yup, but when you start talking about what the Jays (or Yanks) should do..you're bitching.

Hey, we all do it.  I bitch about the Yanks and Brian Cashman ALL THE TIME.  It's bitching for sure.

But in 2009?  Yeah, not so much bitching.  To me, this is like watching your team win the World Series and then complaining that they didn't win every game by 10 runs or that the number 9 hitter didn't hit .310 in the series.


I know you love them. I know you're a fan. And this isn't personal, AT ALL. You know I love me some Bacon!  And I have no issue with "I dislike".

But the "they should change" sticks in my craw.  You can do it.  Go right ahead. But it's gonna bug me.

And, just like you should be able to express the "They should drop the covers", I should likewise be able to say that stuff like that, all things considered, bugs me. That it's bitching about such a minor thing in the grand scheme of things, and it's bitching about something the band who are putting on these shows all seem to be in agreement about (the setlist).

Fair enough?


You know you're gonna have the time of your life, and there's nothing wrong with a beer break mid set!!
But that's just my opinion.  

I think NR has lost its "epicness",,,to me is not about how many times i've listened to it... The way it's played, the more relaxed vocals, the faster tempo etc it sounds like more a piano bar song. ;). The worst version was during 2001-2014 era, slash brings back the old sound at least, but what the song need is slower tempo and more "old axl" on vocals. IMHO. :peace:

80% might be a bit much, but it was a large %! Other than the clueless hot topic stones/metallica pair in my section it looked like everyone had on GnR shirts - even my kids got shirts at the merch trailer...and that was night two!! I wore my new T to the Stratham Fair (NH) yesterday and got stopped at least 10 times by random people who went 19th/20th and all were raving about how incredible show was!

I talked to 3 of the Police Officers from the department I am a reserve at in MA... They had the detail at Gillette Stadium on the 19th. They managed to get placed in the 300 level closer to the opposite end zone from the stage. Including them I have now spoken to about 10 people who were at either the 19th or 20th that sat further back than the soundboard. All of them had a completely different experience than I did sound wise. I thought that it sounded amazing, they all thought it sounded terrible (too loud and muffled, and couldn't hear Axl at all). The same three cops were at the Luke Bryan show the 16th in the same section and thought that sounded amazing (even though they aren't into country at all).

I wonder what about this show/setup isn't translating past about the 50 yard line? I remember one of the shows a week or so ago, very early periscopes sounded really bad (and they looked to be further back in the crowd).

I remember the same on the periscopes.  Can't remember which show, exactly.

I will say...the Gillette layout, for a concert, basically sucks.  The acoustics in there aren't great because of the layout, either.  It's not quite the traditional stadium setup, either, with the way the way the upper bowl doesn't extend out to the end zones.  I wonder if that effects the sound?

I know you said that Luke Bryan sounded better....but maybe it's just that his setup was more catered to Gillette's layout, while GnRs is really more focused on a more traditional stadium acoustic setup (with sound being projected toward the end zone...and able to reflect back..while at Gillette it would get "lost" out of the stadium)

IDK, I'm just spitballing.  Because we've heard from other folks, at other shows, who were in the uppers, where it sounded good.

I'd agree on the layout, the Pats run into the same issue with sound. The games are very quiet. Honestly though that is typical New England/Boston... Why build it right, when instead you can try to conform to these odd provincial standards.

As far as Luke Bryan, that could have been very catered to Gillette, as for the most part he is playing amphitheaters on this tour... yet stuck two sold out nights at Gillette in there.

Also if I remember right the 'periscope sound issue' show was either Nashville or Pittsburgh. Both of which have the same open air end zone setup with no upper deck extending to the end zones as Gillette.


FYI: Just want to add that I am just pointing this out, not complaining in anyway, as the 19th is still the best concert I have ever attended.

Who the hell got Pilferk's dander up so much? It seems like he has pre-game jitters!  :nervous:

I am getting them too.....can't wait for next Wednesday!  :D

Oh don't mind him. He is just bitching

Hahaha

Jk.   It's all good, unless you are facing a lefty that throws 99,  then it's sucks.  go Jays

Anyone have an extra concert lithograph from this show?

I'm late coming back. ;)  Hope you enjoy your show tonight.

I was (and am, though it's quieted down since the NYC shows) just tired of the bitching about tiny little nitpicks from the shows, and asking or expecting GnR to change based on people's personal preferences and nothing else. Especially in light of how good we actually have it, right now.

I was also sort of proving a previously made (like a year ago) point that, no matter HOW good we, as the fanbase, would have it, someone, somewhere would find something to complaining about.  And what's funny is, given the principal members of the conversation at the time, I SPECIFICALLY pointed out things like "the set list".  There are just certain members of the fanbase who aren't happy unless they're pissing on the parade (and, I should mention, Bacon is not actually typically one of those members...it was just the string of posts that his generated that finally set me off).

And I was told, basically, that I was wrong....that basically NOBODY would be half as negative about shows, or band decisions, if we got stuff like Slash and Duff rejoining, communication from the band, and a huge tour.  I mean, that would be the motherlode, right?

It wasn't JUST here.  There's a whole thread with complaints about the setlist, Izzy and Adler not having more prominent roles, etc, etc.

They're welcome to do it, but I'm going to likewise point out how....entitled? ungrateful? nitpicky?...whatever...it all is, considering.  With a little dash of "I told you so" sprinkled in for good measure.

I absolutely was. I even admitted I was (am?) bitching about the bitching. :)

I don`t post often but been a member for a long time just wanted to agree with you about the moaning, I can`t believe it specially on the other board.
 I`m not sure what shows of other bands these people go to but I can assure u they don`t change set lists every night or leave out some of there biggest songs I for one am looking forward to seeing as many shows as I can get to when they announce dates for the uk
here`s an idea why don`t we just enjoy the ride  :peace:

Well, at least now with Periscope is less absurd (but still is) to moan about the setlist.

Back in the 2009/10 there were people bitching about it when they were just READING the updates. :hihi:

;)  Still, trust me.  People not watching the scopes who are kvetching based on reading the setlists in the threads. I promise.

I trust you.

Wont lie, I get excited when I see/read that they tried something new. It is exciting. But I dont demand it. Especially if all we get from those additions to the setlist is the crappy Periscopes, some YouTube and a bunch of audience recordings later that less people care about.

This made me laugh.. seriously this small ass town really are nitpickers! http://www.thesunchronicle.com/news/local_news/foxboro-issues-warning-to-gillette-stadium-after-guns-n-roses/article_6a47c138-54d6-11e6-bc51-bf6d3a3ca030.html

Haha that was me! When I saw you singing every word to CD and Periscoping I knew you had to be a forum junkie!

I can't remember if it was this thread, or the General thread, where I was talking about this but...yeah...they really are.  It's just nuts.

At least they only issued a warning.

I have to laugh...you live in Foxboro, and you file a noise complaint?? The stadium has been there for over 40 years in one form or another...get over it.  :P

What's funny is that other than the Stadium and the adjoining Patriot Place there are only a few other things in town that drive business. Most of those are either fully or partially owned by former New England Patriot players, or are on a street (Rt1) that would have tumbleweeds rolling down it if that Stadium wasn't built... In all seriousness if anyone has seen the Pixar film Cars, that is Foxboro, they built 95 and 495 on East on South sides of town which essentially removed the viability of RT1 as a major commuter road.

Tax money brought in by that Stadium and Entertainment Complex have improved infrastructure, built a state of the art Emergency complex (Police and Fire), Kraft has donated Youth Sports fields... yet the Selectmen never miss an opportunity to try and wag their finger in Kraft's face. Before the new Stadium was built in 2002 behind the original Stadium, that extra land was an f'ing trailer park.

There you are! lol I didn't see you after a few songs... But yea, full beer and jumping like a like a lil kid will def make spill ur beer haha

Haha I was around! Even took a minor tumble down the stands after a beer run haha.

I live in a small town in Italy... it's the same old story all around the world i think  :peace: :hihi:

A hoy hoy gang.

First I would like to thank all of you again for the advice about the train and such. Renting a car was much easier and faster. 

As for the show what can I say, it was phenomenal. This is by far and away the greatest concert I have ever seen. I was 15 when Appetite broke out and kicked the hair metal scene to the curb.  To see Axl share the stage with Slash and Duff was a dream come true. Not to sound like a sap but o be able to share that with my 5 yea old son and wife was perfect.

Speaking of my son, he had a great time. Katarina actually photographed him at the show. We were on the floor (isle seats in row 5) and she came up twice to photograph the band. My son was rocking out to his favorite song Nightrain and she asked is she could take his picture. Of course I said yes, he was dressed like vintage Axl, red plaid shirt and rocking the red bandanna. Watching him was a show in its self.

This band blew me away. Richard is an amazing talent, and now that there are just 2 guitarist I think his talent stands out even more. Frank has become my all time favorite G n' R drummer. The man's got power and groove, he's a beast. Melissa was a definitive standout as well. Her backing vocals, as many have attested to, are stellar. She looks like she is having the time of her life and I found it very infectious.  And Dizzy was solid as usual. He got a good pop during his intro to Estranged which was great to see.

I've tried to post a few pictures but I can't get it to work. I've tried my google account and I even posted a couple on face book ( and I despise face book ) but to no avail.

So again, thanks for the info regarding the train, and I hope I get to do all again sometime. Preferably in Canada next spring  : ok: 

All i wanna 'complain' about is the lack of OMG in the set. :(