Here Today... Gone To Hell!

From amazing live shows in Las Vegas, to a new tour to......new music?

I can't help but getting extremely psyched up for new music. It's very obvious that musically this band is now better than they ever were. Axl's vocals are on point, Slash's guitar playing is way better than when they last recorded, as is Duff's playing (and vocals too might I say). Richard's playing and sound matches -at least to me- Slash very well (way better than I expected). And contrary to many on here: I like Frank's drumming more than I do Matt's (I like the speed of the current performances). And the energy they showcased this weekend is amazing, there's such a punch to what they're doing right now.

Their energy together seems very vibrant, which makes it impossible to not ask the following question: will they record new music?

Everything seems in the right place for that, and these performances definitely make it seem like it's not a nostalgia tour: it's just a warm up. What do you guys think: any realistic prospects regarding new music with this line-up?

yes....the fact that Slash agreed to play 3 CD songs is a good indicator that he would be willing and open to reworking stuff in Axl/Gnr's vault. Just my 2.

I agree.

Slash will only take those songs to new heights... as he did with the songs they played from CD this weekend.

Those songs stripped down a little bit with the Slash/Richard combo are fucking killer.

yep....Slash was on fire with everything...can't imagine being there.  :drool:

Hopefully new music, that would be killer!

I'm guessing the immediate plan is to continue the tour after this stadium run in the US. South America, Asia/Australia and then Europe next summer probably.

I still think tweaking stuff Axl already has is more realistic than a new album from scratch.

I have to think they are going to tour much of next year too.  They are going to hit the other world markets.

Its just going to depend if they are sick of each other by then or still digging it.  I watched all the videos as you all have and I am very encouraged by the overall vibe and demeanor onstage.  Just have to hope that keeps up.

It makes sense to tour the world now, a tour with the regrouping being used as the main promotional force.

Then, release new music to have a platform to repeat the world tour.

Yes, but hopefully one or two new tracks before they hit the other continents. Just like VR did with Set Me Free....I think it'll even help sell tickets

Transform the Betterintro into a song! the very beginning sounded like a good compromise between heavy riff and synthesized sound.

After being there Saturday, and seeing Slash vastly IMPROVE the live sound of Better and TIL...The prospect of him getting his hands on CD2 should be abso-fucking-lutely celebrated.  : ok:

no doubt....write some new stuff...pick out some stuff from the vault that Slash and Duff dig and go with it.

Unfortunately, the most likely scenario this year would be a "best of" compilation with a couple new tracks on it.

Yeah it's cool if ANY new music comes out of this. I would love that.

I personally would like them to writer something from scratch, or go back to some of the 1994-1996 stuff that was worked on. I think there's more there than we think.

I'm not all that excited for CD era stuff that was completed and gets reworked by Slash or anything from that era. I would take it obviously, but I personally want another UYI/VR type of sounding album.

Something to call their own.

To add to that, if there's a CD II that is already done, just release that now, separately. People would buy it up with the buzz. Then work on something fresh.

Would love to hear what else they worked on in those 17+ years as a band ya know...

I don't know. Do you think Slash and Duff would be willing to just rework stuff Axl wrote with the others guys? Especially if it's similar to CD, they could never agree on that creative direction.

And even if they still have the late 90's material they wrote together, do they still like it? Or did they ever like it? It was a LONG time ago and they did not seem to agree on that either.

I have no idea, I'm just wondering and asking what you think. They really seem to be enjoying playing together again, but releasing new material is a completely different kind of monster. I would love to see that, but if I had my way, they would start writing from scratch. New, fresh, 2016 GNR, no reworking.

If Axl apparent happiness is any indication, I think the band is pushing him towards creativity. Also, it seems that things are going way more smoothly this time with all the promotion and hype and that may reflect in new material that could be easier to release.

I don't think that  there is difference compared to songs like November Rain. The really interesting question is if they can come with songs mainly written by themself.

I agree with this. So much has gone on that it would be nice for this to spur some new creativity with this band now. Maybe bring in Izzy for some songwriting. But get Axl, Slash, Duff, Fortus, Frank, and even Melissa and let's get some new wheels rolling.

I definitely agree with that. The energy this line up has surprises me on many levels. Would be very interesting to see what would happen if they start from scratch, almost like a 'new' band.

But like what was said before, November Rain was an Axl song so that obviously works too.

Yeah I would like Izzy to be involved in an album. I don't see why not?

He clearly doesn't like the big tours and has made more than enough  money to live forever on.

Izzy wrote or co-wrote most of Gn'R's best songs.

Most realistic option for a new album: songs from the ChiDem era + a bunch of new songs.

I doubt a lot of you are hip hop fans, and I'm not either.  But I am a huge, huge Dr. Dre fan.

And that needs to be our model.

He fucked around for YEARS, I mean over a decade, on 'Detox'.  Was never happy with it.  Never came out.

Then, when the 'Straight Outta Compton' movie was coming out last year, he got inspired.  Scrapped everything from the 'Detox' sessions and put together 16 new songs and got them done in a few months.  Dropped the album out of nowhere.  And it's solid.

That's what we need.  Axl to sort of forget about all the baggage that comes with the CD material in his magical mystery vault, and bang out something new and fresh with this line-up.

IDEM

 8)

If they plan on releasing new material, they must have figured out their creative differences in some way.

The big songs are Axl's songs. Slash and Duff were never very into it. Keybords, electronic stuff, synthesizers, big arrangements...not their cup of tea, they've always wanted to keep it simple and were very vocal about it.

I think Melissa is with them because they're playing CD songs, I don't see Slash and Duff recording new material in a band with that arrangement. Do you? And also she seems to have too many interests to be a full time member in a band. Axl is probably more inclined to go back and do something more raw in my opinion.

Maybe by starting from scratch they could find a new direction so everyone is happy.

I think we are making a mistake by thinking in old structures.

Talking about creativity doesn't mean that all guys are stuck in the 90s. They have evolved. Duff and Slash working in VR maybe opened up their mind. Realizing that a lot of fans (based on the youtube videos) are singing the CD-era songs too maybe changed their attitude towards that GnR-period too. Who knows?! Maybe Axl realized that no matter how good some post 1996 members were the Hell-Tour guys are the ones that understand each other the best and manage to get the last percent of creativity needed to push the GnR-ship through the waters.
I think if the hunger for new songs is managed to be brought to the surface of the guys then we can anticipate something huge to happen. Richard and Frank are somehow the fresh blood brought into that relationship, both of them being a part of the GnR-rollercoaster for a long time and thus knowing what is needed.

If nothing happens after the tour? Ok at least we are all having a good time. It would be a shame to let this great time pass without anything new, but we are only in the early stages of the revival in the GnR brand.
I'll lean back now, put on some youtube clips again and enjoy the time being a proud fan of the best band of the world.

It probably will come down to how much time they are spending together not onstage.

I was happy as hell to hear Axl was at sound checks and rehearsals.  That was some of the most welcome news ever.

So unlike the UYI days, where Axl would blow in late, play the show, then leave...maybe there is a more social atmosphere this time around.  And that might lead to something new.

Not sure how things change, but I remember hearing that Slash and the Conspirators were supposed to record this May. 

Maybe it's because this time the weight of success isn't only on Axl's shoulders.
It's not seen as Axl and some guys performing under the GnR name.
I can only imagine how frustrating it might have been trying to give 100% and still be blamed by the media and who knows by whom else.
We have to give him credit for sticking to his own rules all the years.
David Hasselhoff would have given one interview per second :D

I don't think so.

They shouldn't use stuff that's already been written and add Slash and Duff to it. They should just put out what is already finished. Then start fresh.

It would be too tainted I think. That is the Nu Gn'R guys' music, let them have that day with it. If songs aren't completed and are still in the demo stage, then sure... rewrite some things I guess.

I'll take whatever I can get honestly. 1 album in 17 years has been rough.

For now, I'll enjoy the tour and wahtever I can get.

Awesome times.

whos writing it though? Axl on his own? Hmm.... Izzy helping? That seems a stretch....

No doubt slash can get the music written to anything Axl may come up with... but It would seem Axl doing it on his own at this point might be a stretch??? Thats not a shot at Axl... just my op.

But in general.. i agree... forget CD2... forget the vault..... get together with fresh ideas.... its the cleanest way possible IMO.

It doesn't matter when a song was written. Don't Cry, Back off Bitch and November Rain were written years before UYI was realeased for example.

I was ecstatic at this as well...

Im inclined to think this healing of the friendships was more than a year.... and that A LOT would have been conceded on boith sides of the fence. Lets be honest here.. we had drug addicts, alcoholics and god knows what else at play back during the UYI time.... there is none of that anymore... they are all a lot more professional than that period. I think they also realise what they have missed out on. I dont believe this line up is about to combust anytime soon as the media will have you believe.

 

fresh ideas may not happen....sorry...it may go back to the same place they left off. There are no guarantees there as evidenced by Stinson and Westerberg's attempt to write a new album. They had a fun tour, rekindled their friendship, then went in to the studio and the magic wasn't there. Playing songs you can play in your sleep doesn't mean you can write something new and fresh.

Axl has a ton of lyrics and melodies written that I am sure he doesn't want to scrap. Slash likely has tons of riffs and ideas as well.

I think our best bet for new music in the near future is taking Axl's melodies and lyrics, strip away the guitars and let Slash have a go. November Rain and Estranged worked out pretty well last time I checked. That's my story and I am sticking to it!  :hihi:

and, I am willing to bet, the next song released by Gnr will be a CD era song redone by the current band.

You are missing my point completely man. Those songs were written with other guitarists and Stinson. It was with other people. Little different.

Don't Cry, The Garden, YCBM, November Rain etc... were with the same people besides Adler when they did them finally.

This is different.

Yeah it will probably be, and that is cool. I just don't want a whole album rehashed with Duff and Slash... leave that album alone and put it out as it was left.

Like I've said. I'll take anything though I guess. Not going to be too picky when it comes down to it.

Exactly.... it would be a major mess trying to sift through that if they re-work CD2 songs...

Obviously this is a prefrerred option for CD fans, so they will push that agenda... and thats cool.

I'd just prefer something fresh, from scratch with the current line up putting their heads together.

Either way... i still dont see them heading back to the studio after this tour, i see them hitting europe... and possibly Australasia after this tour is done to capatalise on the current success. Then maybe if all goes well.. we might get something one way or the other.

Well....Axl DID patent or copyright the term 'Stay Of Execution' for a reason, so we'll see what happens. It's anyone's guess.

A Statement of Use was never filed for the term, so the application is classified as 'abandoned'.

Hopefully not Atlas Shrugged. That would make MSL too happy. :hihi:

Richard, Dizzy and Axl wrote songs and are still in the band. You're also missing the point.

Oh didn't know the status on it since hearing about it....sounds like it'd be a cool title for something though.

Wasn't the album from the 90s the one that Axl said sounded too old? And he said that way back then. Back when they just tried to do an old fashioned guns album again, I think it was. So I think the people wanting another uyi or afd are out of luck. I don't think he liked vr too much, something along the lines of "im with the public on that one.", although I've never been quite clear on what that comment meant. So I don't see something like that being released either.

I think Axl is still mostly in charge, percentage wise, over the creative direction (and other aspects) of the band. I know people don't like to see it this way, but I think he still holds most of the power and don't see him relinquishing it after working so hard without Slash and Duff's help to keep the band alive all those years. MSL, who may or may not know what he's talking about, said Slash now has worse terms as far as his contract goes than what Axl offered him (and he obviously turned down) back when the breakup was fresh. I have no way to know if that's true, but it's one possibility.

Wanting a new album to appear quickly is maybe a little unrealistic, as is the idea of ax scrapping the songs he worked his ass off and fought so hard to complete. On the other hand, I don't think CD2 can be released as it is now that the regrouping has occurred. I don't think it would make much sense commercially and see the record company fighting it tooth and nail.

So the most realistic option seems to be a reworking of CD2. Who knows, maybe that was even part of the deal for Ax to ok the regrouping, since as Richard said before, all he cares about is the music and he won't reunite just for money.

My bet is, setting aside a gh release which seems likely, we will end up with either a reworked CD2 within the next couple years, or a whole new album after a long time, at least 2 or 3 years. And I'm leaning towards a reworked CD2 being the most likely outcome. All just speculation from the mind of a nobody like me of course.

In terms of ownership stake in the band, that, I could see him not getting back.

But Slash and Duff have to be getting decent per night guarantees for each show.  You are only able to play these venues and charge these prices because of their inclusion.  They have to see some of that.  And Duff is no idiot when it comes to this stuff, not these days.

Yes, I agree.

Well Dizzy doesn't really write songs... so that's out.. and Axl is the only original member... Richard works...

But you're tlaking 2 songwriting players... compared to the 4 in old gnr.

still you missed

Well, there you go again showing your ignorance. Dizzy has 7 songwriting credits on the 15 songs that the modern lineup officially released. CITR, SOD, TWAT, CD, OMG, Riad, IRS.....as usual with you, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. >:(

It could be a mix of those two. And it's not unlikely that Slash and Duff already began to rework some of CD2 stuff back in 2015. I don't think Richard would be working and talking about the new albu, with both Axl and Pitman posting pictures of a soundboard in a studio, if it wasn't something already with Slash in mind or already in the camp.

Dizzy co-wrote songs like Street of Dreams, IRS, TWAT, Oh My God and Silkworms, and everything suggests that he wrote many more for the follow up. Richard is said to have write several songs for CD II too. Maybe even Frank did something. I'm not sure whats your point on them not being "original members", that's not relevant to the discussion about writing and rework in new material.

So yeah, half of the current band could have songwriting credits in some of those CD era songs. I don't see how it could be that far fetched to have Slash and Duff working on those in the same way they worked in Anything Goes, Shadow of your Love and Back off Bitch before.

Whoa whoa... everyone just chill out. I'm well aware of who wrote what songs. It's very easy to look up on the internet or in the booklets...

I'm just saying I wouldn't want Slash and Duff to mess with the CD era songs, in ALBUM form. That isn't their songs man, if they are complete as Axl has stated... then release it in it's completed state. Don't go back with Slash and Duff and fuck around with that album.

Start fresh.

The argument was that Garden, Rain, YCMB, DC etc were done way before then reworked...

That makes 0 sense as they were written and performed and "reworked" by the same people that wrote them. Slash and Duff had 0 to do with CD songs. Leave them be.

And as for Reed... he wrote lyrics for 3 songs... and was a collaborator. (With 2 others on each)

As far as music goes... he "helped" write the music direction for 6 songs. And was a part of 4 or more people in all of them. He wasn't a main person in the writing. He wrote some songs, and I love Dizzy. Just don't act like he wrote everything they did lol

When I was speaking or "writing" songs. I was talking about the lyrics. I should had specified. So he's got 3 songwriting credits on CD, and I don't think he wrote any lyrics for OMG.

He just doesn't really write any lyrics. That is kinda what I meant, musically yes he's very involved.

again...WRONG...according to ASCAP (which is where you get official legal credit, Dizzy co-wrote 7 of the 15 modern lineup songs. Nobody is going to chill out with you because your agenda is clear..... at least know what you are talking about. And how many Gnr songs has Slash written lyrics to?

https://www.ascap.com/Home/ace-title-search/index.aspx

LoL... I was going by what the inside booklet of Chinese Democracy says...

and that says 3 songs. So it is what it is. I love DIzzy Reed.

well, the booklet is filled with a ton of errors.  ;)

I personally don't give a shit who writes what. I just want a new Guns N' Roses song....that is my agenda.

Not a chance of a new album this is a smash and grab tour ,most reunions are a tour and greatest hits ,how long did it take Axl to release CD? 14 years and nothing in 8 years since, even though he had a band who went along with the party line "oh yeah we're recording new material ,it should be out soon" and everyone swallowed the bs.I can't see Slash and Duff wanting to play CD leftovers that weren't good enough for the album ,unless Izzy comes back in the chance of a new album are extremely remote,and how likely is it that the reunion is permanent.I'll give it 2 years max.

Yeah tryhard I don't care too much about it. I want new music too. And my fault for the CD booklet having so many errors I guess...  ::)

I don't prefer new music that has already been recorded by Nu Gn'R members. Why have Slash and Duff go over those parts? If the song is done, release it.

Start fresh. I'm cool with demos being redone, but that isn't the point. CD II is ready right? And has been? That is my agenda...  : ok:

Hope that's not true but odds are that's the case

This thing is amazing and must be kept going. We have to have a video ? even if from one of these first three shows ?, we need interviews, shows, and a promise of some new music, whether with Izzy or not. It all looks great so far.

They have an open canvas. They kept 2 members from Nu Gn'R, and added 2 members from Old Gn'R.

This is just awesome. They can do anything. Interviews... press release... Best Of (ppppp lease) new album etc

The sky is the limit, and the buzz is here. Great times.

I think there's some confusion in this thread as to "songwriting credits".

Reed didn't write any lyrics to any GN'R song, the songs he's credited on he has helped write the music.

In the CD booklet it says "Lyrics and melodies by Axl Rose". He wrote all the lyrics.

You get a songwriting credit for either writing the lyrics, melody or the basic structure chord progression. That's the normal way of doing it.

I think I see this differently than a lot of you.  I don't see it as much a case of who wrote what as I see vastly different styles being the issue.

Very little of CD sounds like true Guns N' Roses.  And Axl said the stuff that was left was even further off that path.  Right?

Isn't that a bigger problem than who actually wrote it back in 2001 or whenever?  Slash and Duff aren't going to be terribly interested in adding tweaks to songs done in a style completely incongruent with that they have been doing for years.

No?

Axl owns the name.  That's it.....  The name


There is a lot of pull when it comes to owning the name.

However...

I think a lot of this deal is the likes of there pre 1995 partnership.   Things like the classic logos being used for merch are sorta proof of this

I would also think

The big 3 are spitting the pay day pretty equally and all other players in the band are on some sorta pay per show deal...

When I stated that Reed hasn't wrote anything really this is what I was meaning... and I was jumped by it lol

Now would be the right time to produce the biopic movie. There is no better way to mythologize and memorialize an artist than a biopic movie. It cements and magnifies the legacy.

Right. That was my entire point, before someone hijacked it...

Slash and Duff probably aren't interested in adding to already completed songs or reworking them. They probably want to just write new stuff.

The point is moot of Don't Cry and YCBM being reworked. They were reworked by the same people that wrote them...

and songwriting to me is "lyrics" that is what I was referring to. Obviously everyone that plays in a song kinda has some sort of hand in it.

If you only count lyrics, it's not really songwriting, it's poetry.

I myself count it as that, but yeah technically it would be that maybe. It's quite subjective.

Writing music is usually a collective thing. Someone usally has a larger hand in a song or whatever, but no 1 person is ever telling someone to play this part this way the whole song.

It's mostly a collective thing, that is why I don't group it together in my head. 5 guys play a song, and 1 person wrote it? I don't buy that kinda thinking very much.

It might be 1 person's idea or structure, but they all play it, and not 100% of it is 1 person. Someone is bound to chime in with this progression, or drop here.. or this or that etc.

I like this.  A song without music is just poetry.  That's perfect

A song writer is someone who writes the lyrics or melody (music)

I am not to concered with random guitar solos in songs.   These can be usually interchanged.    Especially in Guns!   Just look recently.

One thing that usually never changes though is a songs lyrics or melody.   

And let's not forget at Rock In Rio III, Axl said Dizzy and Chris wrote SilkWorms. It's different, but I love that song. I'm still hoping for a finished, studio version of it.

As far as the "old" stuff, I guess the keyword is rework, not add too.  But I think we'll get a remastered copy of AFD first , since next year is 30 years. Would be cool if there is a new song or two on there as well, though I think traditionally, Remasters don't have new material, save for old demos.

What I would love to have is a studio version of the reworked CD songs. I loved the live intro to Scraped. Would be cool to have Better and This I Love with the new solos and intos as well. (Maybe save those for the 10 year remastered version of Chinese Democracy LOL).

Random, I love Slash's take on the Jungle Intro. Sounds so badass!

The final outcome for a song is certainly the effort of the whole band and the songwriter doesn't need to write the drum parts, bass line, guitar solos etc.

The band needs a starting point to work out a song, and that's where the songwriter(s) will have worked out the chord progression throughout the song, along with the lyrics and melody.

The rest of the band needs that starting point to work out how they will play their own parts in the song. They certainly wrote their own parts, but they didn't write the song.

Exactly!
I hope they do release new material, but to do so they must figure out their creative differences. As I said before, I think it's much more likely that Axl wants to "go back" to their roots, than Slash and Duff doing something like CD.
Both sides have to make concessions to make it happen, so yes, maybe, if they do release new material, we will get something from Axl's archive. But I don't think it would be as interesting as having them write new songs together, especially because Slash and Duff would probably have some trouble relating to that kind of material. So yes, it can happen as part of a gentlemans agreement, but I find it very hard to believe that reworking these songs from 15 years ago, that someone else wrote, is what artistically they want to do.

They are playing reworked versions of CD era songs now. They may be much more open to working with vault material than you think.

I'm not that surprised. I have expected it. The CD era is very important for Axl and I don't think that he would ignore the songs at a tour. Slash and Duff seem to enjoy playing these songs live.

Yeah, I think that alone says they'd be open to working on material that already exists. If they weren't I'd think they'd also have a problem playing CD songs live, which they obviously don't. CD is not THAT far removed from previous GNR albums, especially if Slash adds his input to the songs. I'd be very surprised if they had any issues working on any pre-existing material.

I think all it would take for unreleased CD era music to sound like classic Guns would be for Slash to add his contribution to them.  I mean, when it's said that CD doesn't sound like Guns, is it anything more than saying that the guitars don't sound like Slash?  So have Slash re-work the guitar parts on the songs that are otherwise ready to be released, then boom, done, new album.  

Exactly. I've seen so many people comment on how much more they like CD, Better, and TIL because of Slash's contributions live. Granted a fair number of people do prefer the album versions. But all of a sudden, those songs are more acceptable and more mainstream because of one man. If they reworked the CD leftovers, it would be viewed by most as a new album by Axl, Slash, Duff, etc. not as an album of old material that they just reworked. It's even easier to view it that way because we haven't heard any versions of the songs. So if the first version we hear has an epic solo by Slash, are we really going to care that the song was worked on for the last decade or so? I'd hope not.

There is a huge difference between playing songs live that have been written by other people.  And releasing an album, that is largely written by other musicians   

I can not see Duff or Slash committing to release a full album of CD era songs, with just them playing some solos or something else over top.

There is way to much money to be made off an official guns album featuring Slash Duff and Axl

I do see however a compromise   

Where possibly half an album is vault stuff with Duff and Slash playing over top of it.  Then the second half of the album fresh songs all written by the current band members

I'm not really talking about Slash replicating what Robin or Buckethead did. More along the lines where Axl goes to Slash with a song and sees what he can come up with. He'd be writing his own parts. To think these guys are going to live together in an LA apartment and write an album from scratch, well that ain't happening. Slash probably has song ideas himself, so it certainly could work both ways. I'm not necessarily saying that Axl had a complete CD ready to release and Slash will simply put the finishing touches on them. I'm saying, I don't see why Slash and Duff would be opposed to hearing what Axl has and if they can do something with it.

Slash playing CD songs live is completely different than him recording songs that he probably doesn't relate to. Let's not forget that one of the reasons they went separate ways was their different visions for GNR. CD is completely different from the previous albums, but I know I'm probably the minority here.
Playing CD was part of their agreement to do this tour. If they did not play it live, Axl would be disregarding everything he's done for the last decades. He would never do that.
And again I never said Slash and Duff won't do it, I just don't believe they're willing to rework this songs instesd of writing new ones. But someone has to make concessions.

I am just thinking all the songs in this CD era vault are already written.   If Axl came to Slash and said, can you put a solo on this song.   There is no real money in it for Slash, as there would be in co-writing a song

Big difference in writing a song and writing a part in a song

I think this is the most probable scenario right now if they do have concrete plans. I think a lot of people here are taking the black or white approach to those things. To me it's clearly not the case because we already see Slash and Duff willing to contribute to a reworked version of CD songs. This is a pretty big deal and should not be taken for granted.

Also, keep in mind that they still could release an EP anytime with two new new songs written by Axl, Slash, Duff and the other guys, and more two or three songs written by CD era guys. This is interesting because they can chose to:

- Work on songs written by former members, like Paul Tobias, Robin, Bucket, Pitman and Tommy. They could add just their layers (and Slash the solos), but essentially the arrangement would still follow the same backbone, like what Bumblefoot did with Catcher in the Rye;

- Work on songs written by current members like Axl, Richard and Frank. Those songs could be taken with a different approach, maybe more freedom to rearrange it? I don't know, I just think they would be more comfortable with it.

There is also the possibility to get old demos from early 90s and work on it again. It would still be Axl, Slash, Duff and Dizzy effort, just in a finished version with Richard and Frank on it. Like Richard already said, there were songs being worked as late as 2015 that dated from early 90s when Slash was still in the band. So it's really likely that, much like This I Love, some of the oldest tracks dated before the CD. Which means, Slash and Duff could just finish what they started 20 years ago.

I just don't think it's the moment to release anything with the GNR brand on it that doesn't represent the current formation. Not because I wouldn't like it, but because it would make more sense to get on the "regrouping" hype and overall positive response from a business point of view.

I can totaly see them bringing their ideas and doing something new with what they already have (that's what I think it's gonna happen if they decide to release a new album), but I don't see it, as some people suggested, if the CD2 songs are finished, that they would just add some parts, play a few solos and that's it.
But still I would much prefer if they started from scratch.

What "regrouping" are we on now?

Too funny...until proven differently, I see no reason to think this "regrouping" is any different than any other "regrouping" since Izzy left in November 1991. The chances of us getting new music "soon" are dicey at best. Of course, I hope I am wrong.

I would love to hear both: new stuff with Slash and Duff and old recordings with Robin and Bucket. I'd really love to get as much new stuff as possible, in fact. I was just talking about what could happen if they have a solid plan to release anything in a short term. And that's seems like an unfortunately big IF.

I would assume that Axl holds control and everyone else has a contract, given whats gone before, I cannot see him handing out part ownership of the band/brand to Slash or Duff;  They would be akin to paid employees, just like Richard, Frank, Dizzy and Melissa.

As for new music, depends on the appetite (no pun intended) that they have after touring together for a while.  Age mellows you yet there was a lot of turds thrown at one another and however forgiving a person you are, in any situation where frustrations and tempers flare, even momentarily, one wrong word could see this reunion come screeching to a halt.

If after the US Tour, a South American and Asian Tour is announced and tentative plans for a Major European Tour in 2017 are rumoured, unless they get some time in between shows, I wouldn't hold my breath for new music until 2018/19 at the earliest and by new music, I mean fresh, new stuff.

There's no reason that they cannot revisit older stuff.  For example, I'm sure that Duff has some riffs and lyrics from his solo/Wanted days, same goes for Slash with VR/Snakepit/Solo stuff and we know Axl likely has a treasure chest of songs and lyrics, from some likely fully mastered to sentences and riffs and a plethora in between.

I'm not saying that suddenly Slash and Duff will want to record or rerecord any of the stuff that Axl has, such as Zodiac, The General or any of the other confirmed titles nor revisit anything from the Illusion days but its not out of the realm of possibility that Slash/Duff take a listen, like one or 2 of them and give them their own spin on it which is liked by Axl and they decide to record it. Similarly, there may be a riff that Slash is playing with that Axl nails down some lyrics for it.

The kicker for me in all this is whether the band, through their US tour actually end up playing all of the CD songs, it'll be telling if there's some they don't IMHO along with if Axl actually lets the band perform any of Duffs songs or even any of Snakepit/VR stuff especially.  If that happens at all, I think its safe to say that the hatchet has truly been buried (and who hasn't wondered what certain VR songs would have sounded like with Axl on them!)

Here's hoping to new music but meanwhile, lets just enjoy the fact that we have "our old band" back together and its gonna be one hell of a ride regardless!

True...

and whos to say it wouldnt be a mishmash of both vault.. cd2 and a couple of completely new songs written today?

Nothing has ever been straight forward with this band and i dont see that ever changing.. i guess its whats kept us all interested this long.

I think if everything goes smoothly, which is a huge if, it goes down like this:

1. Complete US summer tour;

2. Take a few months off in late 2016/early 2017. It is at this point that they start looking at what to do about a new album.

3. Spring/summer 2017, European/Asian/South American tours. Work on new music during tour and on small breaks during tour. Small chance of a new song or two played during tour.

4. Late 2017/early 2018, work on new music.

5. At some point in 2018, release new album.

6. Leading up to release/following release of new album, full world tour.

That is somewhat my dream, but also realistic timeline wise scenario. Since touring is where you make your money, it is also realistic to think that they will do a full world tour before releasing anything so that they can do another full world tour after they release new material.

With all of that said, i could also see the US tour being the end of it, and after that Axl just releases what was recorded for CDII and calling it a career without bothering to tour under the album and just rely on the left over buzz from the summer tour to sell the album.

before the last 3 shows... id have agreed with you.

After what i have seen since.... Axl has so much left in the tank, and i dont see this ending at the end of August.

You guys think Axl would call it quits?  He loves touring!  If Duff and Slash are digging it too and theres no drama, why knock it on the head?  they will make some serious bank on this reunion for a good 18-24 months.

Also, I cant see much of a hiatus between the end of the US run either.  I think they will try and do Oz, NZ, Japan and some S. American dates between September and March 2017, then head to Europe for April/May, tour with some festivals thrown in. 

I can see this, barring a couple of weeks here and there, being a full on tour until September 2017 at the earliest and then I wouldnt rule out going back through the US on the "way home" either

In all honesty?

I wouldn't be surprised if this was the band's last big run.

I could see another album, or a box set, after all is said and done. Maybe another live album, and a greatest hits actually endorsed by the band. I could even see a double album - half CD II and half newer stuff. I think Slash has less of a problem playing on material written by others than most think. It's more a business decision at this point.

However, the reality is that this band has always taken it's precious time when it comes to songwriting, and they're not getting any younger. I see this as a last hurrah, but I hope I'm wrong.

He should like touring. He didn't play 1 single show from August of 1994 - December 30th 2000. Which is a solid 6 years and change from touring. Then 0 shows from December 6th 2002 - May 11th 2006, which is another 3.5 years off. Then July 22nd 2007 - December 10th 2009, which is an additional 2 years and 4 months.

So to add it all up, since the end of the UYI tour (and they did deserve a lengthy break for sure) Axl Rose and Guns N' Roses have been inactice from touring in long chunks a grand total of....

12 years and a couple months I think. That's a lot of inactivity in a span of 21 years (1993-2014...) I don't count 2015 as it was a major transitional year with the regrouping.

So when you think about it in this way, and I'm not trying to bash Axl or bitch... I'm just saying I'm really enjoying this tour coming up...

So when you think about it 12 years and 2 months out of 21 years of zilch (those are long stretches of nothing) that's a lot. So this is such a great thing with him touring.

I hope he likes touring, there's been enough inactivity for him to love it. Just saying.

A GN'R rep was quoted saying "This is not the end, this is just the beginning".

Axl is only 54-- some of Ozzy's, Lemmy's, Mick Jagger's best work was produced after their mid-fifties. Good rockers can go strong and be relevant until their early 70s-- that means Axl and GNR have another good 20 years left in them! That's another 20 years of releasing rock gems and filling up stadiums.
I have a feeling that they are all still "hungry" artist who want to produce music AND sell out stadiums and bring in a shit load of cash. I feel that they are looking for vindication and want to "make up" for all the "lost years."

I think we are in for some big surprises . . . . get ready mother fuckers!!! GNR are the greatest fucking rock band to ever walk this earth and they are going to kick the shit out of modern rock radio!
Not a nostalgia act. These mother fuckers are hungry again. Look at Axl chained down to Grohl's chair. He could barely be contained. This crazy mother fucker is ready to conquer the world!

I agree. I think they will take this tour as far it can go, and Fall 2017 would be an ideal North American arena tour time.

I think the biggest question is how long can they keep touring without new material. Of course there is a lot of buzz at the moment, but it won't last forever.

Nothin' lasts forever... Even that rain there. I think this can go on without a new song but it doesn't mean we don't want one.

Some of non-fan friends are already asking how is it but nobody's really asking about new songs.

fair is fair....I just want some new Gnr music and would love to hear Slash and Axl killing it again on tape by any means necessary.  :beer:

Amen.

They bring out the best in each other... musically.

I Wonder what will happen in May?.. Im sure this is just the beginning... like "someone" said. Will they be planning the release of New material in May?
Didnt Richard talk about a 2016 release last year? There could have been lots of work on a New album the last year.. even With Slash and Duff... who knows....

I am thinking May is big time prep for the stadium run....

Definitely... plus I am sure Axl will be doing whatever he needs to do to get his foot 100 percent healed, so that once they hit Detroit... he is ready to run around.

Yeah.. agree...

Really?  This was crucial, as you see it??

It wasn't November, but it was...the end of August!! <dun, dun, duuuuuunnnnnnnnnnn>

GAME : CHANGED

quite frankly, he sounds much better seated!

I like that. :D

Well yeah... thats what I was telling friends of mine... he was crystal clear over the weekend... and I am sure that helped...

I would still prefer him running around ... brings a certain energy to the performance.

I think that exact quote was said in the bigger sense of things, it came from the St. Louis article.

It was sort of said as a comfort to the people in St. Louis, like "don't worry, we will get to St. Louis the next time around", suggesting that this summer stadium tour certainly isn't the start of some "goodbye tour".

Crucial ?  No.  Hence 'quick remark'.

Calm down.