Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited they are getting together. But I hate outdoor shows and hate stadium shows. I would've loved arena tours.

I'm not. I'm glad that it is a stadium show so that I can go. Due to my disability, I have to alternate between sitting and standing. The only thing I don't like is this pre-sale stuff.

Not me.  I want the spectacle and the whole nine.

Is it really any surprise at the venues being chosen all things considered?

What did you think would happen if Slash and Duff came back?

Been way to long, this band deserves all the bells whistles of stadiums in The US again. Seen then in every setting from the early days thru 2014, and I am very happy to be able to see them again on such a grand scale!

With the gap in time between shows, if they don't add second stadium dates maybe they will go from say Foxboro to a night at The Orpheum in Boston a day later... or MetLife to a Theater or Club in NYC?

I thought it was a little ambitious.

We will have any way to find out how they are selling?  Not now, but after the general sale?

This seems like something pilferk would know.

Going to a stadium show to watch on giant TVs and generally okay sound quality, how is that different than watching a Blu Ray? Not trying to be a smart ass. Kind of like how I would never go to coachella. Can't do hipster 19 year olds licking my face.

If this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for GNR fans who may not have had the chance to witness the heyday of the early 90s in their prime you could only do such a tour in a stadium setting there is no reason they shouldnt be able to sell out each date just think of how many fans never got to see this lineup perform live i was one of them.

Atmosphere.

I know that I personally enjoy interacting with fellow fans at shows.  Because so much of the time, if you are a real superfan of someone, odds are that a lot of your friends aren't as hardcore.  But at a show, you are all that hardcore. 

I stayed up all night to watch some dude's Periscope from across the street the other night.  That is totally insane behavior.  But to everyone in the building with me this July, it will have made total sense.

And you can't beat the sing along aspect.  Everyone is so jacked up and into it.

I agree on that. Maybe it's a little ambitious, since the promotion for this tour has been almost unexistent

Off course, I don't live in the US, so I could be wrong

But they should be doing interviews by now, along with live presentations on famous shows like Fallon, Kimmel, Conan, etc.

That would get people hyped up about this tour

If the public attendance on these shows is small, the press will discredit the whole thing. That's a risk they cannot afford to take

I have similar concerns.  I want this to be as successful as possible.

The Troubador show got a lot of press.  But them doing zero promotion is, to me, risky.  Risky if you are trying 40,000 to 50,000 seats in one city.

After being up close and personal for the last residencies and theater tours, hard to stomach seeing them from afar in stadiums. I thank my lucky stars I am seeing both Vegas shows!

Just the facts IMO.

Yeah, I remember back in 2002 or so... They did an arena tour in the US. It had almost ZERO promotion.

People were bragging that they sold out MSG in like 20 minutes. Ok, great, but there were some arenas that had like 4000 people in there.

Off course, you could argue with me that this time is different, since Slash and Duff are involved. I agree with that, but average people (not us, losers in a message board  :hihi:) have to know they are back ,touring with the almost original lineup, etc.

I can't believe even to this day GNR marketing is still so amateurish

That just felt so small time to me.

I know a lot of people thought they were doing smaller and smaller venues out of the goodness of their hearts, but I am not that person.

Things were going the wrong way.  If he stuck what that most recent line-up, I'm not sure they even tour this country.  If they did, it would be in smaller spots. 

A one off show like the Troubador thing is cool as a change of pace.  But this is a big time band.  They should do things in big time terms.

I posted this already in another thread...trying to pack those huge venues is a very ambitious move. GNR 2016 is not GNR 1992 ...rock in general is not the most popular genre nowadays...I know Canada, Latin America and South America will sell out, but USA I tend to think they wont...I cant feel all that hype from the music business regarding their comeback. Lets wait and hope it goes well...

And as I type that, I just saw a commercial for the tour during RAW.  Haha.

Yes, here in Brazil they can sell out pretty much any venue they want

I don't know in the US, but they could, with right promotion

Thing is, I don't think they'd have to go nuts.

If they did even one appearance, it would be picked up everywhere.

He should go back and do Kimmel now.  Show people that this is going to be fun and none of that old bullshit.

Spot on

Regular people think that Axl can't sing anymore, shows up late (he has improved on that) or doesn't show up at all.

Even my friends here in Brazil that like GNR think that he's done. His image is not the best right now.

Just play Jungle or SCOM on one of these TV shows, rock the shit out of them and his image immediately begins to be restored again.

I prefer arenas to stadiums in general, but I look at like this: if they can sell out the stadiums, they will make a colossal amount of money.  Assuming the same level of demand, to make the same amount of money in an arena tour they would have to play many more shows (because you can't sell as many tickets for each show).  Doing fewer shows per tour will be better for Axl's voice - enabling more touring around the world. 

I'd rather Axl doesn't shred his voice with 50 shows in North America and not be able to do/ not be in top form for Europe, Japan, South America, Australia etc.

Considering this is what people have been begging for years, I'm not bummed at all.

I think we'll see a couple interview appearances.

The tour will sell well regardless I think, but those are pretty big venues.

Come to realize, this is actually the first time GN'R has done a stadium tour in the US on their own. The other time they co-headlined with Metallica.

Exactly...and the two bands were on their prime...and rock n roll on its prime too with MTV and everything...thats why I think its a risky move. They are solely relying on the reunion (or regrouping) hype.

Well...these promoters they are not in this business to lose, they must have done their homework, some market research and all...

Stadiums are the way to go for the first tour in 23 years. U.S. arenas in 2017.

Most of the casual fans I've spoken to are unsure about buying tickets because they don't believe the band will be onstage before midnight. I believe tickets will sell quickly when/if the band cement their reliability this month in Vegas, Mexico, and Coachella.

Timing is important. With public onsales and Vegas shows coming this weekend, I expect promotion through word of mouth and radio/tv ads, etc. Interviews in May/June. A new song, if rumors are true.

Promotion has been huge here in Atlanta....just sayin.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W5vUg949gPw

Yeah, the promoters know what they're doing.

I don't think they would've just scheduled a stadium tour without proper analysis and a marketing plan in place. I mean, we've already seen the major promotion going on in the cities, I'm sure there's more to come now that we're approaching the general sale date.

I'm guessing the band will probably do their share of the marketing as well. Although.. I read somewhere that usually the musicians themselves aren't contractually obliged to do promotion for a tour.

They must do interviews...TV stuff.  People need to know theyre back....put a new song in fucking new Suicide Squad movie the one with J. Letto as Joker..., that kind of stuff.

Doesn't come out until August.

I was at first, scored a good ticket. Now can't wait!! Far cry from where I was at a CT show in I love in 2004, the Roseland Uo Close and Personal and he Brooklyn a bowl, but I will take it...

I'm so excited I don't care where it is, but I really hate stadium shows.  I'm not a fan of outside in the summer at all, and July on Ohio, which is where I am, can be pretty hot and humid, or rainy/stormy.  I think I got pretty good seats, according to Ticketmaster seating charts, (on slash's side, yay!) I'm field level and up close, and it will be a kickass show regardless of stadium vs arena.  I'm just glad this is finally happening!!!!

I hope you don't think that The TMobile Arena and The Joint at Hard Rock are going to be similar experiences... The Joint holds 4k... T-Mobile depending on configuration can hold 15k-20k people, it is 4-5x larger.

I'm looking forward to the stadiums .... I've seen them in arenas, seen them on the UCAP tour, and saw both residencies....doing the stadium will be a massive show.

I've seen them in arenas and small venues, up close and personal was my last super GnR experience , seen Slash and Duff with VR and actually met them backstage and had pit tickets, but never saw GnR or actually any show in a stadium, so Im kinda excited and curious even people say they aren't as good as arena shows, I just cross my fingers they sell well, The Citrus Bowl in Orlando have 77.000 capacity , so Im not sure about how they gonna sell there.

Paging Pilferk, Paging Pilferk

Everybody's talking about it without one single interview. Plus, there's promotion for the upcoming tour.

Surely you must've seen all those photos of the billboards and so on?  :)





Including people who would actually know. Not that it matters..... :hihi:





/jarmo

I think the stadiums were to be expected.

I miss the Hardrock personally.  Loved seeing them there....and will do so whenever they play there again in the distant future.

Haven't been able to get tickets to Vegas or Toronto, so that's the other ugly side of the stadiums.

There's no chance in hell they're going to sell out all those stadiums.

Even the GNR/Metallica/Faith No More stadium tour wasn't sold out.

I do believe they're going to do well though.

MSG 2002 sold out in under 15 minutes, but a good majority of the other venues on that ill-fated tour were half empty.  Completely different situation though!

I think it's cool to see them do stadiums in the US for a whole tour. I mean, the last time was in 1992 with Metallica. Stadiums add their own feeling to the shows, it's all about summer and good music and friends and so on. And when it's a stadium, it's about going big and all out.

But I do agree that arenas (usually) are more intimate and of course they have advantages. But you can do arenas in the winter ;)

After having seen for the last 15 years "they should be playing stadiums why aren't they playing stadiums?" posts.. no. I'm not bummed.

It's exciting! What better than seeing your favourite music with 40,000 other fans on a summer evening?

Nah, I'm glad they are doing stadiums. An arena tour would of made tickets pretty tough to come by.

Nu Gn'R were always doing 70-80% on most shows, and selling out some. I'm talking about the arenas that do 15,000+ people. I mean it wasn't that common they were selling out arenas too often. They would, but it was every one ya know.

If they did an arena tour with Duff and Slash back in the fold it would create a crush for tickets. They'd sell out every single arena easy, the stadium feel is bigger, more fun I think and fits them. They won't "sell out" some of the stadiums, but they are going to hit 40,000+ I think, which would bleed over the biggest arena... which is 21k (Montreal)

So in the end, it will be like them playing to 2 arenas at once basically every show in terms of attendance. Who knows, they might sell out all of the stadiums? Hard to say. I'm confident the Nashville date will sell out, mainly because there's no Indy date, or Louisville date or Memphis date. So people in these areas will come to Nashville. Which at longest is just 4 hours (Indy).

Toronto will sell out.....twice

Agreed.

Going to be a great big party ... we lucked out in NY/NJ that the show is on a Saturday too... can't wait!

It's just laughable that some people seem to think the marketing is amateurish. It's not but a well calculated thing.

There's still this mysterious athmosphere around Axl not giving too many interviews and all that. It'd be ruined if he went to many late night shows and stuff. Of course he won't.

As pointed out earlier, everyone is talking about this anyway. Think about like how many message boards there are around the world for any subjects. Most if not all will also have a section for other topics like we have here. This band will have an unimaginable number of threads where the band is discussed. If you are on a, say, rugby message board, there will be a thread. Even if you're not that much into music or the band you know about this already.

Stadium tour, of course, in this lifetime but it's true that if there's one in Europe there's a big problem. Some northern cities where they could go will have way, way too much sunlight in the summer evenings. Depending on the date, sometimes it can be like you're in a show and it feels like it started at midday.

I'm sure Jarmo has experienced that but it is what it is.

Yeah.
The sun sets and rises during November Rain.  ;) :hihi:

Or it just never sets...  8)



/jarmo

Currently I?m not bummed about anything regarding GN?R. What?s happening is absolutely fantastic, and the management team is doing a great job imo.

Yeah, I'm not saying there's not promotion at all...

I'm just sayin' that normal bands do interviews, TV shows and this sort of stuff before big tours.

The Stones do it, U2 does it, Springsteen does it. All much bigger acts than GNR nowadays.

But anyway, I hope this whole thing works, they're professionals. I'm just giving my 2 cents

I'm the same way.  I'm as excited about this band than I have been since I was in high school.

The closest thing was probably the return in 2006.  But this is better.

Yeah I do wish they'd go on TV or something and do a 15-20 minute general talk. Axl Duff and Slash anyways. It would be even more promotion, and fun for established fans.

Or just a in depth interview.

You have to think RollingStone is going to give them a cover right?

With a simple phone call.

I still hold out hope this might happen.  Like perhaps a big review of the Vegas shows, and then a sitdown.

I think the toughest thing is balancing rehashing all the past bullshit and talking about the here and now.  I am one of the people that can live the rest of my life not getting every detail about the falling out, but I tend to be in the minority there.  I just see all downside and no upside to rehashing all that bad blood now that things seem healed.

But if you are doing the interview, anyone at all competent has to at least ask the question.

Yeah I'm not really interested that much about the falling out. I am very interested in the how and when of the get back together stuff.

Axl and Slash. Like when and where and how did it break together. Break inwards. The moment of them being like, yeah lets do this. I honestly think they are past things, and this isn't a just for money grab.

The breakup has been well stated in Duff and Slash's books, and in general people kinda get it. Axl has talked sparsely about it. Would love a book from Axl one day.

It?s too soon. They?ve only started. Hey, what if there are ? and I?m positive there are ? various surprises coming? Like Izzy, Steven, new songs, whatever. If they did a huge interview now, they would obviously be asked all these questions and have to give it away. Or would you like every other reply to be "we can?t tell you that now"?
I bet the interviews are coming and will be amazing.
It?s all just about this goddamn patience thing...

Imagine going back in time and telling the 2006 fans ? wait for another 2 years and you got the album, wait for another 10 years and you got the reunion...

Meh, they?d kill me anyway.

 ;D

Aside from all the hoopla and awesomeness of everything going on...

I think the odds of a new GNR release since their return has gone up by about a billion percent.

Not at all. Stadium-level music with stadium-level stars (Axl-Slash-Duff).

Besides all that though- have seen GNR in arenas, ballrooms, clubs, etc. multiple times since 2002. Haven't seen them in a stadium since 1992 (GN'R/Metallica). Going to be very cool to see them in that kind of spectacle/environment again. Nice reminder to everyone in North America just how huge they were/are...  :peace:

Of course the up close and personal is a better quality experience--I saw Slash in Denver in October and there can't have been more than 1,000-2,000 people there--but I understand the argument about tickets being hard to get and so more people get to enjoy GNR. I thought the Joint in Vegas was a perfect venue. I guess as long as I don't have ridiculously bad seat in a stadium I don't mind, although I have questions about sound quality.
It will be interesting to see how they configure Jerry World in Arlington for GNR. It can hold over 100,000 at full capacity. Even if they rope off one end we are still talking about 80,000 plus I would guess. 

I just checked on Taylor Swift's show there. I believe she has a similar stage setup as GN'R. Attendance was 62,000, and it was sold-out.

Oh God yeah.  The record company must be drooling for it at this point....And if there's any sanity left in this world, there have been discussions.

1)
Thank Duff: no reunion without him
2)
I do not care - the band I LOVE will play: how much is it??
3)
No, I won't show my tits (I honestly never had stuff like that...😉😂😂💃)
4)
Be useful: get us 2 beers please...
😉😘💃

Everyone keeps mentioning The Joint. That place only seats 4K people, this is the pretty much the #1 rock band of their generation regrouping and playing together for the first time in 23 years... they aren't going to do an extended run of 4k seat clubs and theaters... but could mix them in. The Stones did something like that a few years back where they played like 2 or 3 different venues of differing sizes in each city. Call it a cash grab if you must, but this is how bands get paid these days, tours... not album sales. For them to make money on a 4K seat theater tour they would have to play 2-3x the dates at 300-1000 dollar ticket prices.

I think he is the real catalyst here, and the one we fans owe the biggest debt to making this all happen.

Yeah he is. I also think without him there's no chance this happens.

He was a stablized, bridge peace (yes mispelled on purpose) for Slash and Axl.

Very cool stuff.

He's a miracle worker and a godsend.

My question is how quickly he started thinking like this.  I mean, was it as far back as doing the show in London with Axl in 2010?

Once he saw they could be cool again, did he start to form a plan on how to bridge the ultimate divide between Axl and Slash?

Does it matter?

Matters more than "getting to the bottom" of what went on in 1996 and matters less than what is going on right now.

That's where I'd slot it, anyway.  Midpoint.

I guess  - only guessing - Duff's "How to be a Man"
COULD have something to do with it...
😉

I'm glad this is going to be a stadium tour. The more the merrier. Looking forward to seeing all the fans tailgating and hearding GNR tunes.

Totally with you on that.

I'm looking incredibly forward to a GNR concert getting mainstream media attention again, and then heading to a huge building filled with diehards like me.

It's going to be awesome.

I for one am excited cause this will be my first Guns Stadium show! And my first time going to Solider Field! In regards to selling out, obviously I hope they do. But even if they don't, I'm sure they will sell more then if they were at an arena. As far as promotion, I think they are doing it right. Word is out there, there's a lot of press on them, yet they're keeping quiet. They are doing little things on twitter and it's amazing! When they were showing the pictures of guitars, drumsticks, the whistle, then the packs with Axl, Duff, and Slash's names on them, holy hell, I had chills! Social media, everyone is spreading them around, sharing them all over. I know I am. Most of my friends and family aren't Guns fans so they could probably care less, but I wasn't sharing for those people! There are radio promotions already for tickets, it's a great time to be a fan.

Out of curiosity, who is going to what show? I've seen them four times since 2002 but never got the chance to meet up with any fans from this board. I'd like to change that this time. I'll be at the one in Chicago. Hopefully, as it gets closer (I already have the countdown on my phone, 87 days and 5 and a half hours!) we can plan somewhere to meet up. Looking forward to it!

Hahahaha

I found the females something of a mixed bag when I saw them last.

You guys give me a shit about Bon Jovi, but trust me, that ain't a bad looking crowd.

When I saw Motley Crue last year, I sensed some of those chicks were hot too.  In 1989.  But still dressed like they did in 1989.  That was a trainwreck.

Bon Jovi is cool. No big deal with them.

Still to hear Burning Bridges.

Yeah I'm happy that Gn'R is getting actual mainstream push.

That's what the old famous band will do for ya.

Bon Jovi, ain't bad! I got him on my ipod and to be honest, as I was getting ready for my work's "Winter" party, I was listening to him, then when I got there, after a few other Karaoke performances, as the guy saw me singing along while the DJ played the song, I was told to go back up on stage with the mic. Yeah, I have an awful voice and terrible stage presence, but it's all for fun.

Actually I found that Bon Jovi guys great.? 😂
Back on topic: finding yourself sourrounded by topless drunk guys - is kinda funny!
Shouting: Izzy!!! and getting:"who is Izzy?
is kinda funny..:😂
Just have fun - people usually don't read books - they go see a band...😂😉😉

I have no idea why we are talking about Bon Jovi :hihi:

But I did see them in a stadium in pouring rain. It was just cool, even though it wasn't November :peace:

Of course it matters! At least it does to me. If they're not confortable doing an interview, Duff could write an article to Rolling Stone, they could tell the story with their own words.
We've been hearing these guys say the most horrendous stuff in the media about each other. I really thought that this would never happen, but then last friday happened...so I think now we're all entitled to have our happy ending!

You know what, that's not bad idea.  Having Duff doing something.

I was browsing the first pages of the forum..dates back from 2004...people were discussing whether NU GNR would release CD after Rock in Rio Lisbon and some said the band would reclaim its place as the biggest band etc...Lisbon never happened  ;D  Who could have imagined that 12 years later here we are discussing their reunion tour!!

These tours are going to hopefully lead to a couple of great blue Rays

For me I really thought late 2002, 2003 was the year.

Then I was so so so certain that 2006 was the year.

We've come a long way.

After being spoiled for the last few years with the smaller venues, I really don't mind seeing the band in a huge venue again--as long as they sell well. I got to see them back in the day in stadiums and, while you're pretty far away (most likely, unless you pay the big bucks) it's just cool to me to be at a huge outdoor concert with that many people. I've been right at the foot of the stage, and I've been up in the rafters. Each experience is different. I'm just glad I have the opportunity to actually go see them!

One way to thank duff might be to show him your tits.

This, please. Hopefully stuff is easier to get out now that the legal side of things is maybe less complicated.