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Adler had a show booked at the whiskey..their Facebook says show cancelled stay time for big announcement @gnr

Show was scheduled for 4/1

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154185832709994&substory_index=0&id=255993174993

Stay tuned for a big announcement! #GunsnRoses

Hmm..


I don't think it confirms Adler is in though. The hashtag on the end there is strange though, especially if the announcement has got nothing to do with GNR.

On the other hand, they're saying stay tuned, while at the same time giving away that it's GNR? That's sort of strange too.  :hihi:

This is good, I was sure he was going to make an appearance anyway. I guess we might get the fairytale ending after all.

OR... in the ultimate slap in the face, his show was cancelled in favor of Guns N' Roses (Axl, Slash, Duff, Richard, and Frank) playing a warmup show for Vegas.

There are a lot of things that are unclear here. If Adler's in, what about Frank pretty much confirmed to be in (leaving for LA early in the year and the drum skin auction)?

If Adler's in, is it for a one-off, permanently or guesting for a couple songs each night?

Or is Adler not in at all?

That.... would be borderline comical.

Man, people, including me, are flying from all over the world to be there at the first show with axl and slash. I have to say it would suck if they played a show before that.

I agree

I guess thats already happened in a way to people though? Some GNR fans bought tickets to Coachella thinking they were the first dates, then a week or 2 or whatever it was later the vegas shows got announced...

i guess you just never know wtf is going to happen next with GNR.  ;)

It was so obvious.. : ok:

The shows will be great one way or the other.

Well, the press release for vegas specifically said, it will be the first time the world will see axl and slash together

Whatever ::) be lucky that they play live again... everything else is secondary

I would say it's for a guest appearance. Adler will play a bunch of AFD tracks. Be cool if he took on Civil War or some other Illusions track that he would've been playing had he not got so fucked up and got fired. Good for Steven and good for the fans. It's a nice gesture

Or he's probably prepping for some guest drum spots in vegas

Sounds like a game of wait and see

Great just what we need another post about Steven being in or out whats the over under on the # of pages this one will be.

You know what?  Good.

I'm tired of hearing about the guy, honestly.  And listening to how his exclusion is the biggest miscarriage of justice since the O.J. verdict.  It's enough already.

Now we can pivot to how he wasn't allowed to play on enough songs.  Or not on the songs you wanted.  We'll find some other cause.

I don't really care about Steven. Izzy would have been more important for me.

If Adler is in, Izzy is out by choice.

thinking Popcorn will be a guest....

Or disrespected because of low ball offer.  Adler has already said he doesn't care about the money.

I was originally concerned that the Adler gig was pulled due to other 'issues'... thank goodness it sounds like he is safe and well.

If Steve's in then that's amazing news!  The return of the worlds greatest hard rock band... :smoking:

Even if Steve's sharing the set with Frank I think that's great news too.   :beer:

Or a million other reasons.

the most obvious is Izzy is out by choice however going on history.

I think this means surprise gig at Whiskey...as warmup before Vegas.

That's my thought too. It all seems too coincidental for it not to be related to this. Is there any mentions of refunds for adlers appetite? If not, that could be a big clue.

The only weird thing about it is Whisky's tweet.

They first say we're to stay tuned for a big announcement, then proceeds to give it all away by hash tagging GNR?

If it is that Adler needs to be in Vegas, then I'd say that development has only just happened, due to this Adler's appetite gig having support acts announced and booked. Which gives us the frank issue- we're pretty sure he's in.

If it is a secret return gig, the whiskey saying that is likely to get it pulled-as we saw with rumored low key shows in London a few years ago.....

April?s fool?

be cool with the guy, after all he's the one who had the idea  :hihi:

Yeah it was presented that way, selfishly speaking I was hoping that Vegas was the first show as well.  Either way, the potential of a warm up show at a club has always been a possibility, so we'll just have to see what happens.   I knew the potential of that when I bought the tickets, but I know what you mean about it being a bummer.    The bright side for some fans is the prices on the Vegas shows might go down a little since its not technically the first time they will share the stage together in 23 years. 

Also Coachella was never marketed as the first shows back for the band,  Vegas was.  Either way, playing at a place like the Whisky is more of a rehearsal in front of a few people than it is a show.  So I don't think any fans should get to down about it if in fact they do play there first.

There is also the potential that the Whisky thing is a press conference or some other type of event.

Adler has pulled many shows in the past. Hope not,but it nearly had always been to rehab,

People haven't realized that the so called announcement ::) will probably done on April Fools day... ::)

But I'm guessing a 3 song special appearance (Sweet Child, Rocket Queen & My Michelle). Print this!

You mean Whisky canceled Adler's gig because they wanted to pull a prank?

If this is some sort of elaborate April's fool prank, they haven't thought this one through. People will hate them.  :hihi:

Maybe Adler concert was cancelled due to health issues or maybe poor ticket sales...and the big announcement thing is just to cause an impact . Why would he cancel his show only to be a special guest? I dont think this cancelation has nothing to do with Adler in GNR.

So, Adler cancels and the Whisky sees an opportunity to pull a mean prank on the GNR fans?

It's a bad idea...

Perhaps it's a GNR press conference announcing tour details...

Could be. Black Sabbath did that at the Whisky.

It's not for bad concert sales.  The Whiskey doesn't do that as its so small.  Walk ups will make that place look decent

So did Motley Crue if I remember correctly

The hashtag just means they wanted more people to see it. If I tweeted that I just ate a Big Mac, not many will see it. If I hashtag #GunsNRoses when making that Big Mac announcement, a lot of GNR fans will know I just ate a Big Mac.

The world revolves around hashtags.


Big announcement #GunsNRoses A guy known for canceling shows has just canceled a show. Stay tuned!

GNR fans: Adler is in! AFD 5 shindig in Vegas! Book it!  :P

This is pretty much how I see it. It's like sticking those "ex-member of -insert band here-" stickers on solo records back in the old days. Just a way to get noticed.

Adler in... in rehab, I guess :hihi:

I already changed my flights from Australia to be at the Vegas shows after I'd booked everything for Coachella, so this would kind of piss me off if it happens.


 :peace:

Very interesting tweet...

They are not being very vague.

Can't wait to hear the official news.

I like others am hoping April 8th is the very first show so I can say i saw the VERY first show...but at the same time... a show/press conference at the Whisky with Steven and maybe izzy... even if it's impossible to see live... would be amazing no?

He's coming to play the AFD songs. I like that.

Who said that?

You do realize that the Whisky holds 500 people and that any sort of G N R releated event there would most likely be a private/invite only for family, friends and maybe some press....meaning that unless you are in G N ' R's inner circle, there is a 99.9% chance you wouldn't be able to get in regardless.

I would stand outside and listen. Hang out in the grimy back alley if I had to.

Yes been there it's very small. Would expect just industry and family and friends

Nobody. Just a wishful deduction.

Ah right. Thought some info might have come out I'd missed.

These shows can't come soon enough so this whole whos in whos out stuff can finally stop. At this point i could care less who is in and who isn't I just want to be able to see Axl, Slash n Duff. Im a big fan of Richard so im more then happy if he is in. If izzy or Steven show up thats fine wouldn't effect my feelings on the show one way or another

It is simply a matter of him being including in a full show, or consistent appearances of like encores or something. No one has really stated they thought he'd be the full time drummer. I love Adler, and I think him being the full-time drummer wouldn't be the best thing. For anyone involved.

I do hope they play a 1 hour warm up gig of something low key. Would be cool to know setlist and stuff like that.

For Adler, AFD songs obviously, Civil War are what I'm okay with him playing. Anything else would be a treat. Would love to hear him do Dust N Bones or Locomotive.

If the alleged Adler inclusion is a recent development, I wonder about Izzy...

Yeah I mean why not just do an original small show at a place where they started? Would be kinda fitting. I like the idea. Plus its like a week sooner right?

Acoustic GNR show + announcement at the Whiskey according to someone over at My GNR forum...

If there was ever an absolute NEED for a live feed in the history of the world...it would be for this.

If true, than Axl has no qualms about his voice.  Cause there ain't nowhere to hide in an acoustic set.

So, if true, this is encouraging news.

If it's a public performance ...

Rather doubt they are playing to an empty room.

Even if its not broadcast, word will get out how it sounded.

It would obviously not be an empty room, but it wouldn't be the first show where nothing surfaces, audio and/or video.

It would probably be all invites and industry type people, not the kind of people I would trust with opinions like 'Axl sounded great man!'

Van Halen played that private gig when they reunited with Dave at that bar in NYC, and crude audio and video surfaced from that. Axl also played some intimate acoustic gigs in the past that were caught by audience members, and he sounded pretty good from what I recall. Unless there's an ultra strict no cameras, no phones policy it'd be hard to keep it completely private.

Axl has done a number of private shows where nothing surfaced.  He even did 2 public shows in Vegas where nothing surfaced.  I'm just saying ...

It's entirely possible. It could be a friends, family, and selected media crowd and they'll all rave about it regardless just for the simple fact that they were included on the exclusive guest list. But who knows if this rumored fantasy show will actually take place.

Needs and wants are very different things, you may WANT this, but it absolutely  does not qualify as a NEED.

Hope if it happens I'm there, fingers crossed ;)

Even just reports on how they all interacted on stage would be welcome, I think.

You are fantastic.

Always glad to be of help in your linguistic issues   : ok:

Whiskey is selling tickets for April 1st night for around $185??

Where?

Well...haha, that's a tell.

There's no listing for April 1st either on Whisky's website or their ticket site...

Link for that?

 ::)

And who is this someone? Just a regular user?

Box office ticket sales for whiskey

http://www.boxofficeticketsales.com/venue/whisky-a-go-go-tickets-for-sale.aspx?gclid=Cj0KEQjw2sO3BRD49-zdzfb8iLwBEiQAFZgZfG8DoO54XjZSUJ87x01DNQrqUjyFu9xzCuS-ROHnA7gaAvCu8P8HAQ

That's a re-selling website.

The Adler show was canceled.

Yeah I know they cancelled it. But 1) They could still have an event that night.  and 2) If there wasn't an event, why are you allowed to purchase these tickets? 

They aren't directly connected to the venue or promoter. It would probably take longer before they realize the show is canceled and take it down.

If GN'R are playing there they won't sell the tickets as an Adler show, it will say Guns N Roses.



EDIT: Both www.whiskyagogo.com and www.ticketweb.com (Whisky's official ticket outlet) have taken down the Adler April 1 show.

Ok, but why would the previously scheduled Adler show be selling for that much?

I don't know. The ticket sellers on that site make up their own prices.

Look, I'm not saying GN'R aren't playing or appearing at the Whisky, but the site you linked to is merely just tickets left from the original Adler show.

People who were attending that show have already gotten e-mails saying their tickets for that show will be refunded.


If GN'R are playing (or appearing for something) there, it will be announced, then new tickets will be released for sale.

I get what your saying and not all that hung up on GNR playing that night or not.  Rather, I've moved onto just how much people can try to scam others   :no:

That's the way of the scalper business I guess.

Unfortunately.

 http://twitter.com/TheWhiskyAGoGo/status/712400494589685761/photo/1

Hmmmm......

A fucking tribute band?

That's it for that rumor then...

Or maybe the joke is on us?  Ya never know

The rumor stated its not neccessarily going to be on april1st

April 5 is open I guess.

Hollywood Roses is a real band... If it was GN'R undercover I think they would've used a fictional name.

I am sure that Vicki Hamilton will get an invite for sure.
Wait for it.
April Fool!  :beer:

Right, anyway spoke to the Whiskey take it for what it is worth but they say guns aint playing...  Great promo for the tribute band though, instant sell out!

This was hardly a "big announcement"...

Just a way to create buzz I guess.

Do you trust them that it's REALLY not a cover up for GNR? I don't understand why they would cancel Adler + several other acts in favor of a GNR tribute band.  It seems like an awful idea.  I bought a ticket just incase, now I am debating if I should travel from Indiana to LA for one day just on the off chance it's really GNR in disguise. What would you do?

The Whiskey has been around for decades and is one of the most legendary and respected venues in the world for the type of music we're talking about.  I just don't see them f-ing with fans and putting them through the wringer if something significant isn't happening. What do they have to gain by it?

I seriously can see they are testing the true fans to see who is loyal and clever enough to figure it out. Those who do will be rewarded handsomely with the real GnR!!!

If it was me, I'd go for sure. Worst case scenario, you have a few beers and a laugh at some clown pretending to be Axl Rose!

We really don't know anything at this point.

Steven no-showed at that charity show he was supposed to be at with Slash as well. Could be some reason other than a GN'R-related one that he canceled this show too.

Yeah, I tend to agree.

Even though the Whisky is a small club, it's world famous. A show by Hollywood Roses is hardly a "big announcement" for them.

Well that was hilarious !!

Haha, sure was!

Good thing the confirmed shows aren't a long ways away.

So, just to pour a little more fuel on our big bonfire. Someone at mygnr pointed out the April 5 date.


On April 5, 1986 GN'R played Whisky A Go-Go for the first time ? 30 years ago.

(http://www.gnrontour.com/sets1986/19860405flyer1.jpg)

The plot thickens.

I love it.

Someone should write GN'R and find out what's up. The address is on the bottom right of the poster.

100% this.

I went to a GNR tribute band in aus last year, and i had a great laugh, it was done really well.... and it just got me in the mood for the real thing. Dont take it too seriously.. and u can still have a great time. I'd go for sure.. and..... lets say it was the real GNR... then you just got urself a golden ticket. 

Ha!  Well with everything happening, if I lived in Los Angeles I would buy a ticket to that Hollywood Roses show and see what happens.  It is a small gamble for what could be a giant pay off.  

OK.... so im starting to believe..... ever so sligthly.... no.... surely not? really? maybe....  :yes:

People are speculating on dates, whether April 1st, 5th or some other date...based on the Whiskey's calendar of events.  What a lot of people are forgetting is that we are talking about Gn'R here. Do you expect them to take the stage at 9pm? 

Chances are, if anything is happening, it could start at 2AM or later!  In other words, just because there is already an act booked for a particular night, doesn't mean GnR won't roll in way after!  How poetic if they came on after the tribute band on the 1st?

A heads up for the April 1 show.

On the ticket site they've added a disclaimer:


This is a Guns N' Roses tribute band.

Guns N' Roses will not be playing this show.

NO REFUNDS

Or is THAT the April Fool's? They have us hooked now and there's no turning back. With that being said, I believe them.

So.... Whisky is thinking: Do they know that we know that they know that we know?

I just got an email from the Whisky:

"If you are receiving this email it is because you purchased tickets to the Hollywood Roses Guns N' Roses tribute band at the Whisky a go go on April 1st. Just to clear up any speculation Guns N' Roses WILL NOT BE PLAYING THIS SHOW despite all the rumors going around. This is exactly what we are saying it is a tribute band and they will be playing all the classic GNR hits!

Hope to see you all rocking out at the show!!

Whisky a go go"

Man, if you lived close by...would you take a flyer on this?

Reply them and ask for them to justify Hollywood Roses as a big announcement.

Hahahahaha

Fair question.

Here is my reply to them:

"Thanks for the information. I live in Indianapolis, Indiana and was planning to fly out for the show only for the chance that it was GNR. I'm going to trust your honesty in how you are representing this act as the Hollywood Roses tribute band and not Guns N' Roses, which means I will not plan on traveling to the show and will eat the $23 for the ticket. I'm disappointed, but certainly OK with it as long as it's true.

That said, I would recommend a very specific press release to clarify a) to your knowledge, why Adler was canceled, b) why the cancelation announcement included a somewhat derogatory cross-out of Adlers skull, c) why Hollywood Roses was branded as a BIG ANNOUNCEMENT, and d) that GNR or members associated with GNR will not be playing at the Whisky on April 1.

Thanks again. I don't expect a reply but would greatly appreciate one. "

That's fair.

I read a post that the show was already sold out. There's no way Hollywood Roses sells out within hours without the shady marketing that Whisky just did.

It's not sold out, tickets are available.

Marketing is questionable for sure though.

Oh well. I'd rather be out $23 than an extra $700 in airfare  :beer:

I would so go to this show just because of all this. $23 is worth it. I feel bad for the tribute band though. Imagine being them right now and hearing about this knowing the entire crowd will be expecting some level of surprise and/or be laughing at them onstage. I personally never understood tribute bands, but hey each to their own.

Any chance Adler isn't in and he is just stirring shit up because he is pissed?

i think everythin.... almost everything is possible here.....

If i have to say somethin,.... im just dont fkn know.

maaaaayyyybe

And guesting for Hollywood Roses (they don't trust him to do a whole show)... :rofl:

In all fairness to the Whiskey, they never said Hollywood Roses is their big announcement. People are just making that connection and jumping to conclusions. The "big announcement" could come 5 minutes from now or 10 days from now or any other given time. 

That hashtag gunsnroses was low. Especially in combination with a "big announcement" and what's been going on in the Guns camp lately.

What's  going on in the Guns camp lately?? :D

I am so torn on this I live in Vegas so I m only 4 hours away thinking about talking Friday off and driving down. I d really kick myself if I missed a chance to see them in a venue like that.

Well the "reunion" and all the secrecy around it. Everybody catches on to any GNR-related rumour/possiblity ...and these guys kinda used that, didn't they.

Exactly.  That was some accident?

Get real.

Refunds being dished out for the Hollywood Roses show! What the hell is going on now?!

Due to an extreme amount of confusion regarding the April 1st Hollywood Roses show at the Whisky a Go Go we have decided it's best to refund all ticket buyers. Hollywood Roses will still be playing the Whisky on April 1st and tickets will be available at the door on the night of the show for $20. If you still wish to attend simply shoot us an email at mproductionsrocks@gmail.com or call (310) 652-4202 and we will reserve your tickets for you to be purchased at the door.

To be 100% clear HOLLYWOOD ROSES is a Guns N' Roses tribute band. Guns N' Roses are not playing The Whisky. We are sorry if anyone feels they were misled in anyway to believe otherwise as that was the furthest from our intention.
 
The tickets you purchased will be automatically refunded to the credit card used to make the purchase. Please allow up to five business days for the refund to post to your account.
 
 
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I just don't think Whisky A Go-Go will risk having people coming to the show on April 1 thinking it'll be a surprise GN'R performance. They will probably have someone at the door on the night emphasizing further that this is a tribute band... lol.

They probably became a bit worried when the show became an instant sell-out, fastest sold-out show in 20 years at the Whisky.

I'd have thought this will do the opposite though- before they knew roughly how many will turn up (people without tickets knew they weren't getting in)- now everyone is going to go down just in case something is happening! They'll have crowds turning up I reckon. No one is going to believe it isn't GNR until the night now, no matter how many times the Whiskey say it isn't.

If it isn't GNR they've REALLY messed up.

I can't imagine it being GN'R with the recent developments.

They're basically saying: "You who wanted to see the real GN'R, stay home.. this is a tribute band".

Now, if it's then actually GN'R on the night, the people who stayed home will not be pleased ? put gently.

Yep. And if you lived in LA or nearby there's no way you'd risk it for a night sat in watching TV! You're going to be down there, whatever!

If it was GN'R, they wouldn't have announced it as Hollywood Roses - a real band.

They would either have used a fictional band name, called it a "surprise performer" or just plainly said it'll be GN'R.

Not necessarily so...don't know why people aren't considering the possibility that Hollywood Roses ARE going to play...but why can't the real GnR come on late into the night?  Maybe they come on at 1am and technically when the Whisky reiterated several times that Gn'R isn't playing on April 1st, they're technically being honest.

So, if their plan works and they get everybody to believe that GN'R won't be there, they end up selling a couple hundred tickets for the event.

GN'R then comes on to play for a half-capacity Whisky A Go-Go?

They are confusing the hell out of everyone, so I'm not even sure if they really want people to believe Gn'R won't be there. I think they know they need to keep a balance or things could get way out of hand. Of course, we are talking as of right now (today) no announcement has been made. They probably also realize on gig day, people will start to figure it out (example, the Gn'R equipment truck may be parked in the back parking lot or something).  They also realize fans are die-hard, so there will be plenty of people sticking around. Words spread fast.  This reminds of what Prince has been doing; announce on night of the show recently and come on stage at like 2AM.

That a strange game for them to play though. Using every opportunity they got to emphasize that GN'R won't be there, while still being very sure of themselves that people won't buy what they are saying.

I have more faith in them playing The Troubadour on the 30th.

If I had to bet money, I'd say Gn'R won't be there. Then again, I also question why the Whisky would go through all this if NOTHING is in the works? I think they got excited, overstepped their bounce and gave out too many hints and have had to serious backtrack to appease someone (the band, management, AEG, who knows?). I also give credence to what Eddie Trunk had previously posted.... 

This is what I think happened:

- Adler canceled for whatever reason (that might still be GN'R related).

- The Whisky didn't think it through when they teased a "big announcement" with the GNR hashtag. This was their first and biggest mistake.

- Hollywood Roses gets booked, and the Whisky tries to save themselves by saying "Come hear all the #GunsnRoses hits!!" in the announcement. Sort of justifying the hashtag they used in the teaser tweet from before.

- The gig gets sold out in record time, and the alarm goes off at the Whisky. Hollywood Roses is not expected to sell this well...

- They see they crazy social media activity about this being a secret GNR show. They panic.

- They start writing disclaimers everywhere, including mailing the ticket buyers informing them that this is NOT GNR.

- People still don't believe them, so they refund all the tickets and once again say that GNR won't be there, but Hollywood Roses will be and tickets can be bought at the door. I'm sure the people showing up on the night will once again be warned that this gig is not GNR before they buy the tickets.

Agree with much of what you just said, but 2 other things happened and that was about a week prior, the Whisky had already posted a Gn'R hastag and a picture of Axl.  Furthermore, Eddie Trunk essentially corroborated what the Whisky posted at that time, then again saying he was happy for Steven Adler's good news despite Adler cancelling (and that he was giving out an obvious hint). 

I think Eddie Trunk just read Whisky's Adler cancelation tweet the same way we all did. They made it sound like Steven canceled and there would be a big Guns N Roses announcement coming.

That announcement haven't come yet.


EDIT: If you read Eddie's next tweet he says: "I don't know anything about warm up shows? As far as I know the Vegas shows are the debuts which are public"

Your first point: I think Eddie Trunk is well respected and definitely knows what's going on...beside the fact that he's friends with the band.
2nd point: The way I read ET's quote is that someone was questioning his insider knowledge and he's replaying, you think "I don't know anything about warm up shows"?  Notice the question mark?  Then he says the Vegas shows are the debuts which are public, implying there is a private show that he IS aware of....

It couldn't be this Whisky show then, because it's public.

I think you are taking things a bit too literally.

What do you mean?

This is why it would be nice if the GN'R camp made some sort of official announcement. They must love watching all this go down. Never has one band been so secretive. Or, it's us.... ;)

Meaning Trunk implied there is a PRIVATE show in the works, but if "Hollywood Roses" is suppose to be Gn'R and people are buying tickets, then it's really not a "private" show.

I don't think Trunk implied that.

He simply said as far as he knew the debut shows of GN'R are the Vegas ones, and they are public.

When he says debut shows, he means the very first shows.


This doesn't mean GN'R might play a club in LA before Vegas, just that Trunk didn't know of such shows.

It would be SO GnR if they showed up...great in the best way imaginable 😂👍
If I lived in LA - I would definitely go. If it's "only"
the Coverband - would still be fun! 💃

Don't know if this is relevant or garbage:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/report_steven_adler_is_definitely_joining_guns_n_roses_this_is_what_he_looks_like_these_days.html?no_takeover

If he is "back in the band" i would imagine it is in a guest spot capacity, since the only semi confirmation we have a line up clearly shows Franks signature on the drum head.

Very well could be Adler doing the Appetite songs and Frank doing Illusion and CD songs. Or Adler just doing 3 or 4 Appetite songs

It would mess up the flow of the show switching drummers back and forth.

I could maybe see him coming out and doing the encore, but only if it were something like 'Mama Kin' and then 'Paradise City'.

Yeah- not sure you can trade Steven/Frank in and out w/o irritating the audience- and quite possibly disrupting the band. Seems to me it's Frank's gig- but maybe you could structure in a "SCOM", "Patience" and "PC" encore or something with Steven on drums (and Izzy if ever available/willing). I think an Appetite-era section like that would probably need to be the "cherry on top" and pushed to the rear of the show though- or else your risk a "buzz kill" effect (and Frank's my favorite GNR drummer so no disrespect intended).

Could be.

Or it could be that it was finalized sometime after the drum head was signed.

I don't doubt the report, but I doubt this is a long term thing. They could use Vegas to highlight Stephen and Izzy potentially to get the AFD 5 onstage together for the first time since Farm Aid then roll right into the lineup from the drum head long term. I don't think you will see Stephen at every show of the Summer Tour.

See my thinking is the opposite almost.  I can't see Steven guesting on any songs until the machine is rolling so to speak. This lineup hasn't played together yet, I could see him guesting on a song or two down the line, I'd be surprised to see him at the Vegas shows or at Coachella.

And Well...

WELCOME STEVEN

 :smoking:

I see your logic... I think we are of the same mind that this could be a one off, and Steven isn't going to be traveling from city to city with them our only difference of opinion is when.

Yeah totally agree. It will be interesting to see when he turns up.   It does seem that he is somewhat involved at this point.  Like I've said in other threads if he was definitely being left out completely I could not imagine him being quiet about it this long.

Also if he were not involved in some capacity i don't think he would be being so supportive. He's retweeting, resharing on instagram and facebook etc. If he wasn't involved in some capacity why would he bother or care?