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We've heard rumors about a possible remix album of CD.  There is another thread on here talking about Slash possibly playing CD songs on tour.  Ron made comments before the end of last tour suggesting that version of the band was over.  Then Ron and DJ left.  This all made me think about the below scenario.

Maybe Slash and Duff have been involved longer than we all know.  Maybe these current plans started at the end of last tour or even before.  Maybe Slash and Duff have been putting their own spin on that possible CD remix.  If so, I think it would be pretty cool to hear how they could make the songs sound different....to go along with Axl possibly putting down different vocal styles. 

I think it would be pretty damn cool if a remixed CD came out, along side a brand new album. 

dude, thank you so much for making this topic. i want to see the remix get released so bad. its right up there with a new album on my wish list.

i think you could be onto something, and ive thought similar things. they wouldnt even have to play on every song to garner some major attention and good will for this thing. cd could finally get the chance it deserved. anything but refusing to release it at all, please please please please!

was last year really a hiatus? or was there a lot going on behind the scenes? very interesting. the mystery deepens...

so what's the deal with "Brain's remix album" and "ChiDem remix album"? is that the same thing or different? some remix samples leaked out and honestly I can't imagine the "classic lineup" putting their hands on that, it's much too... remix-ish, if you know what I mean :)

I get exactly what the OP meant. Remix often end up being techno/dance/whatever. But it also can mean just another mixing, with another arrangement.

Think about it: if DJ and Bumble got to rework Better in their own style, maybe Slash and Duff could have worked in their take on some songs too. I don't think they would work on all the songs, and they def weren't involved that long - I picture they were already in serious talk for a year, at least. Not much longer than that. And I'm talking about they as a band, not just as a friends getting in touch again, that first step must have been earlier.

I think those were just Brain toying with some ideas. I'd bet those were not the only version of each song remixed.

correct. and actually a cute idea - if DJ and Bumble could do a creepier/heavier and acoustic/intimate remix respectively, there could be another ones - bluesy and punkish. altough it would make ChiDem era even more bizzarre, as if it already wasn't bizzarre enough :hihi:

Hahahaha I know, right?

And Axl was still talking about the CD remix as far as 2014 (I think in that Kimmel interview or maybe in That Metal Show). Maybe the idea evolved to bring Slash and Duff and try to get another shot at it? Dunno. Of course Id rather hear new songs for real, but I'd take whatever they come up with.

yup, a remix is not a real deal, just a cool bonus :)

not a fan of remixes....8 years later, we need new music and I don't give a fuck who plays on it.  :-\

I believe it's lost its timing... doesn't sound interesting to the market or even to the "new" members (or whoeverelse). I look forward to a fresh new album.

I assume that they have not yet released the remix album because there also songs from the second half of Chinese Democracy on it.

It was the Revolver Magazine interview:

"We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,? Rose says. ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That?s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That?s been done for a while, too."

Thanks. From when that was?

But he also said something in a TV interview, I guess.

You wouldn't be interested in what it sounded like?  You wouldn't take it with a new album?

That was from the Revolver Magazine interview in 2014, don't remember him talking about it on TV- do you have a source, or link?

Not right now, but I'll look for that later. I think I saw on YouTube

Yes the Bumblefoot and DJ Ashba remixes happened to have got their way out  on the internet.

would be best if a remix had new vocaltracks. i don't like the vocals on madagascar studioversion

you could be onto something with that! if that were the case, i wonder how and when it would be released? If CD 2 is indeed the second half of CD, maybe someday well see both halves sold together as a set. That sounds like a good time to include the remix as part of the set.

that would hands down be the best case scenario. theyd basically be new songs at that point.

i like the idea of duff and slash putting their spin on some songs. people could get the more traditional gnr sounding CD they always wanted, at least on some songs.

We always wanted?  Speak for yourself.  Were the Illusions traditional sounding compared to Appetite?  No, it was different.  Just like Chinese was different from Illusions.  Even with Slash and Duff back in the fold....if your expecting something to sound like it did 25 years ago, you may be dissapointed.  Maybe they WILL create something that sounds like something 25 years ago, but I would expect something different, like GNR has always done.  GNR isn't ACDC, and never was. 

Well said! I enjoy AC/DC but there is no denying they are the very definition of formulated Rock.

I remember when the Illusions were released some people were even complaining then that it didn't sound like Appetite- and that was before the internet was popular!  :o

It's just a guess, but I think the remix album is Part 3 of the trilogy. With remixes from the first and second half of CD.

i can see how my post might have given off an unintended sentiment.

i love cd how it is and was never one of those people complaining it didnt sound like old guns. id love to see slash and duffs spin on things though (or honestly, anyones spin on things for that matter. huge evader fan). if some of it happens to sound more like classic guns (which is what most people seemed to want, and who i was referring to by "they"), that wouldnt be a dealbreaker for me, and id be happy for the people that could find a new enjoyment out of it.

in case my opinion of cd isnt obvious based off of everything ive ever said about it, its my favorite album. and by a large margin.

Sooo......... the previous posts were deleted because when Axl decides in 100 years to issue ChD remix, the sales will be affected because somebody on a fan internet forum mentioned a remixed twenty-second snippet of an already known and heard song? Ridiculous.

Yeah, I didn't find it. I think I'm getting old and mistook it for something else, sorry.  :-\

Yes you are.



/jarmo

Care to elaborate? I don?t see any harm in talking about stuff on a forum, whether it?s an old short remix teaser or anything else.

I do.
As far as I know, those tracks don't belong to you or me. So it's not up to us to decide when they should be released and how.

That kind of discussions only lead to you and your friends requesting info on how to obtain whatever it is you're trying to discuss.
It quickly becomes stupid and therefore it's better to just say "no".  : ok:

Anyway, maybe that makes no sense to you, but I believe those tracks belong to somebody else and I have very little interest in spreading copyrighted material, that's possibly intended for future release.



/jarmo

Fair enough.

2 disc set.

Disc 1, the rerecorded Appetite that Axl did with Bucket and Co.
Disc 2. Chinese remixed with contributions from Slash and Duff.

A weird but oddly fitting way to bring the two eras together.

Not something that would happen in a million years, but still.

very cool idea!

disc 3, live tracks done in the same way (chinese stuff with duff and slash and appetite stuff with bucket and co.)

Anyone hear think that CD remix would include the '2nd half of chinese'?

I kinda like the idea of a remix of CD, but only if Slash and Duff are involved in it.  I'd be very interested to hear the differences they'd bring to the record.

However, despite liking the idea a little, I'd much rather hear a new record from the band.  I have no doubt that there is a ton of material they could record to make many records, not just one.

I'll be keeping everything crossed for some sort of official release in the not too distant future.

Leave CD as is... A great fuckin? album.

Now, lets move on.

ChinDem Remix Lost

 :-X

I agree with this.
I actually believe there must have been a version of the recorded song with clean vocals instead of the raspy one.

Something tells me that Axl read online comments online like ''Axl give me some rasp!" and changed the vocals on Madagascar.
BIG MISTAKE.

Still have very little interest in remixes of an 8 year old album.

Slash and Duff on the tracks adds at least something of an interesting angle.  But I still think their time and effort could be put to better use.

Such as, for example, if you wanted to put Slash and Duff on the as yet unheard CD II.  That makes more sense to me than yet another version of 'This I Love'.

No way, Slash and Duff should create new music with the rest of the band. ChinDem is a different approach, different era, different band? If Izzy?s in, I think we?re about to hear some great new piece of art!

I'm down for a remix, but I don't think the timing is exactly right just now. 

Sure, ideally. 

But we know Axl's pace.  If they are starting fresh, when does that come out?  2025?

You like his higher voice better than his rasp?  His rasp is my favorite, just ahead of his deeper (talking voice).  I'm not a big fan of that higher voice used in If The World.  So BIG MISTAKE for you, not for all.  Can't please everyone

True. Then again, Slash, Duff, and Izzy could be the fresh new air Axl needs. I don?t think they?d invest their time and everything into this and then just put up with Axl?s it?s-gonna-take-kazillion-years-to-release-this-shit attitude. Well, hopefully.

so true guys! :) but maybe they've just been offered millions of dollars, so they can stick around for a few years or so...

maybe Axl got tired of being a perfectionist.
Maybe he'll play along

that's not exactly what I said.

What I mean is : the rasp doesn't work on Madagascar.

Like yourself, the rasp is also my favorite? when it works.. but in Madagascar (the album version), he just sounds constipated.
When he sang Madagascar live the first couple of times, especially Rock in rio 2001, the clean vocals fit the song better, they worked.

Sometimes he sang AFD songs with clean vocals, and I believe it didnt work either.

This is something strange.
I believe the new songs made this happen. Before CD era songs, Axl never used the high pitched clean vocals. They always had rasp. Maybe with different players and different song structures, the clean vocals came out naturally, maybe he didnt want to hurt his voice with the rasp, I don't know.

I just know that I don't like the rasp on madagascar just like I don't like the clean vocals on sweet child o mine, it just doesn't work.

Maybe its a matter of taste, maybe its a mistake, but quite a few people agree with me on madagascar.

Honestly, I think all involved looked at their current situations and decided it was time to bite the bullet.

Divorces are a bitch, and playing "up close and personal" shows aren't great for the ego.

I think both men decided it was time to use their best remaining lifeline :  a call to each other.

It depends on what the approach will be.
Industrial music takes longer, because loops and computer effects take forever to find and tinker with. The mixing can be a bitch.

But with the basic rock n roll approach, which is basically just a guitar and vocals. Bass, drums and solos come rather quickly.

One track for each instrument and wrap it up !

Agree that very few fans will want or care about a "CD remix" in 2016. It's about 4-5 years too late.

I honestly believe the only way we'll ever hear most of the unreleased material from the past 15-20 years is through some sort of boxset release
after the new/current/reunited incarnation of GnR is on hiatus or takes a long break after the tour and any possible newly written and recorded music.

Don't bother unless Silkworms and Oh My God is included. High quality versions of those two songs.  :drool: :headbanger:


Absolutely the wrong timing for this though.

Depends if you booked them for fun, weeks after completing a headlining arena tour.

Not that it would matter to you.



/jarmo

oh, it matters to him...he somehow thinks that Slash being back justifies his POINTLESS negativity over the last 17 years....Slash is an employee of Axl now D-Gen, what do you think of that?  ;)

just busting balls....

oh, on topic, remix album would be INSANE at this point....I think we get some new Gnr music prior to Vegas. Just a guess obviously but the timing is right for at least a single.  :drool:

I do wonder what the financial arrangement is.

I can't imagine Slash and Duff are being paid at the same rate of the revolving door brigade, but I can't imagine they are full partners again either.

Even one song would be the best thing to happen in 20 years.  It would be tremendous.

The war is over, sport. 

You're starting to sound like those Japanese soldiers they found on that island, years after WWII.  The only guys that didn't know the score.

that was funny....if Slash and Duff are temporarily contracted, it is WAY more than all the prior members/employees.

I assume they are getting good coin.  And probably at least something of a say on how things will be done.

I'm sure its fair and amicable to all involved.

If they're using classic logos owned by the old Axl/Slash/Duff partnership, then my guess is that everything is being done through the old partnership. 

Hmm, that's a good point.

The classic logo is owned by Black Frog Music I believe.

Funny coming from you.
Look in the mirror and say hello to Mr "Not knowing the score". Year after year you win that title!

Just because you pretend something to be true, doesn't mean it's a fact.
No matter how much you pretend to know everything about GN'R, you just don't. :)




/jarmo

Bro, read the room.

This is the best time in the GNRverse in forever.  Your perceived slights from 4 years ago...not exactly tip top of the priority list.

Might I direct you to the Dead Horse forum?

You brought it up!

You went from remixes to posting your usual digs at anything pre-Slash rejoining.

When will you stop? We know you never really liked the band while he was away. We get it.
No need to be hating on the old band anymore, be happy. Happy thoughts!

Of all the people, I never thought you'd be hating on the old band so much....
What's the world coming to?  :rofl:




/jarmo

Could be, not sure exactly, though I thought that Black Frog was just for publishing rights.  I was going by the US trademark database which shows the owner of the classic logo as "GUNS N' ROSES composed of W. Axl Rose, Michael McKagan and Saul Hudson".  But that's not always up to date as far as ownership goes. 

And did he ever use it for any post 2001 things?  An ad, a poster, something?  I don't think he did.

I had a GNR beach towel with the circle logo.  Definitely bought since 2001.

Does that count?  I have no clue.  Like, as long as Slash and Duff get their cut?  If that is the arrangement, I could see Axl limiting its use over the past 15 years.  Just smart business.

Like the cover of Greatest Hits?

I also believe it was used on some merchandise over the years.
I remember seeing a Sweet Child onesie with the logo.
Edit: Here http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Roses-Sweet-Child-Bodysuit/dp/B00EIIUM1M
Says it's from 2013


But the old logo wasn't used on merch sold at shows as far as I remember.



/jarmo

I actually liked the recent concert merch. 

Wish I'd have bought one of those jerseys in 2002, I know that.  I liked those.

I wasn't quite accurate.

The logo is copyrighted to Black Frog Entities. Black Frog Music is as you say the publishing company.

https://static.musictoday.com/store/bands/1226/images/background_bullet.jpg

If you zoom in under the pistols, you'll see "Copyright 2009, Black Frog Entities, Inc"





Not much, but I personally believe it had more to do with making a distinction from the old band. The logo they've used up until now also have the Chinese elements to it, so I think that was made especially for the purpose of that album.

The 2006 logo had the guns and the roses in it, combined with the new font "G & R".


The bullet logo was used for the belt buckle a few years back.

https://sarmadsmediaa2.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/tumblr_static_ls190.jpg

Thanks for the additional info, Spirit!  But I am a bit confused now.  I didn't know that copyrights applied to design logos, I had thought logos were protected by trademarks, while copyrights were for books, music, etc. (e.g., published works that would come under Black Frog).  So I would expect there to be a circled 'TM' instead of the circled 'C'.  Maybe there's overlap between the two in that a trademark and copyright can protect the same item, not sure, will have to look into that.  But I am pretty sure that to keep a trademark for a logo, you have to keep using that logo.  Maybe they lost the trademark for that logo for use with music performances since it hadn't been used in that capacity for so long.