Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Is anyone else extremely excited about this combination? I think it's going to be incredible.

maybe, but GNR still lacks a solo guitar virtuoso, so we can possibly say goodbye to ChiDem songs in their full shape.

They've sought of played together with the Dead Daiseys...But from what I recall Richard Fortus, out of respect for Axl, was not in the studio when a slash played his parts..Not trying to stir anything up, just thought this was the ultimate sign of respect n' loyalty...

They didn't. Richard had nothing to do with Dead Dasies at that point. He's not on the first album.

The quote your referring to is when Slash was going to guest on stage with Thin Lizzy.

Slash could easily play all those solos.

Shacklers?  That is NOT his style.

and don't get me wrong.....I love Slash, but different player play different things

Well, just like Bumble, Bucket and Finck put their marks on old Guns songs, I guess Slash can do the same with Chinese songs. Although I do doubt songs like Shackler's Revenge will be played. Better, There Was A Time and Catcher In The Rye are songs I am curious to hear Slash's take on. Richard is also a very talented musician,  and I'm sure the chemistry between them will be good.

Whos gives a damn? I DON'T want to hear Shackler's Revenge on this tour/Coachella

omg who gives a fuck

I have to admit surprise at how many people are ready to go to the mat for the CD songs inclusion.

I would have assumed if Slash and Duff came back, but the price was no more CD tunes being played, 95% of fans would have said...sure, where do I sign?

I'd also love to hear Slash play This I Love. And yes, I'm very excited that Fortus is staying in the band. Ever since I saw him live... that dude is an amazing guitarist and has such passion and presence!

And to answer the question "Who gives a fuck about Shackler's", I do! I've been a fan since 1988 when I was 7 years old. Saw the video for Sweet Child and that nite made my dad take me to Sears to buy Appetite. They've been my favorite band ever since, and that includes the quiet era, Chi Dem, and all the incarnations. There are amazing songs on Chi Dem and just because Slash and Duff are back, does not mean to ignore those songs.

Hahahahahaha!

I guess it depends on style and what you are into.  I think there are some great songs on CD I just don't think Shacklers is one of them...  I would drop all of the songs starting with 's'  (exception being street of dreams,  of course I can't help but call it 'the blues')

I can see Slash playing a fair amount of CD if he agrees,  but Shacklers,  Sorry,  and Scrapped I just can't picture him playing at all. Partially that is me being a little selfish because they are my 3 least favorite songs on the album and I wouldn't mind to never hear them again... But again that's just my opinion.

Slash should have played on three songs from Chinese Democracy. So why not playing some of the songs live?

I love the CD's song, so I hope they will play live a few of them. It would be intresting with Slash.
But my question would be who will play the solos of the old song that was played by Fortus? I would really miss his beautiful work for example in KOHD.

How in the hell does ANYBODY think that Better sounds like an old Gnr song.  ???

It sounds absolutely NOTHING like 87-91 Gnr.

pretty sure Slash will handle almost all of the leads unless it is a CD era song.

I hope that CD songs aren't dropped.  Seriously some people are treating this reunion as if it were a time machine.....zip back to 1998 or whenever and forget the last 15 years have happened.

I hope that this new GNR keeps everything and moves forward.

Imagine that....this is "a new GNR".....not the old GNR.

The argument you get it that it's 'guitar heavy'...  Which it is,  but style and tone apparently to some people are not that important. I agree with you it sounds nothing like classic GnR,  but that doesn't mean it's bad,  just different. Some people think that the only way to validate their opinion of the CD tracks is to compare them and grade them against the classic GnR curve.  

2 guitarists and limited effects vs. 3 guitarists (in some cases in the album 5) and a fair amount of effects...  They produce totally different sounds,  and that sound is totally outside of Slash's tone which is why I don't think he is going to be too fired up to play CD...  And if he does,  it is not going to sound like what the CD Era fans are used to and we are going to hear complaints.

I am also excited about the potential jams between the 2....2 great lead guitar players is bad ass when they go toe to toe....think Allman Brothers with Duane Allman and Dickey Betts. Wouldn't Rocket Queen sound killer with a 5 minute guitar duel between Fortus and Slash?  :drool:

Slash is not giving up any of his solos...  Richard will play the solos that Izzy and Gilby handled live.  The trading off that was done by DJ and Ron during SCOM is not going to happen.

Slash's tone is way different and I personally would love to hear what he could do with a handful of songs on Cd. I think he could improve them.

I'm sure this will be different,  but Slash really wasn't a fan of that on Sympathy... Just saying.

I would too...  But just as I did years ago the CD fans will complain when Slash takes liberties with songs like I and others did early on with the new lineups. I just don't see them playing more than 2 or 3 live and I think that would be alot.

I believe those solos are no big deal to Richard, he's pretty virtuoso as well.

Also add to the fact that CD came out in 2008, and granted many if not all the songs were written before then, why would you want those songs to sound like 1988-1991? Another band that I love is Queen and how diverse they are. Hell, just look at A Night at the Opera compared to A Day at the Races and those two were recorded within a year or so of each other. And Axl has stated in many interviews that Queen was his favorite band growing up (with Elton John/Bernie Taupin his favorite singer/songwriter). I don't think Axl wants to have one sound and that's it. I think he has a lot of musical knowledge, skill, ability and all that jazz and he wants to let it all out. Not just stick to one sound. And if the new album sounds nothing like AFD, Lies, UYIs, or CD, I'd be very happy with that as well.

But again, it's just my opinion and I could have taken your statement wrong. Maybe you meant, instead of GnR pulling an AC/DC, no matter how different they are, there's still that GnR feel to them that CD was lacking. I personally disagree with that. But I can see your point since almost all of the song writers on AFD and UYIs were not involved on CD. I dunno. I just know that as long as Guns are doing stuff and gearing up for shows, that makes me a very excited fan and as long as this doesn't implode (I still think it may follow the KISS Reunion model), I'm glad I get to experience watching it all happen.

Not a negative response but real hard to have solid opinion musically on this question
Richard - I'm a big fan of his style and his live sound, but we have nothing to go by except him playing someone else's Gn'r songs

I think it will work well because he's a professional musician but with the cluster-f*ck of guitar sounds live the past several years, I'm just not able to determine if he'll sound any better than Izzy or even Dave Kuschner did with Slash

Hopeful, but hard to say

nah, Richard is a very decent rhytm guitarist, can shred and play solos too, but he's just no match for beasts like Buckethead or Bumblefoot.

I get what you're saying, but wasn't the live renditions of CD songs already less "industrial" (not a fan of this defnition, but I'm talking about tone and FX)? I wouldn't mind to hear Slash's own take on CD songs anyways.

Well, slash could approach some CD songs, but not all... Better, for example, is a total different style...

 :rofl:


I do give, and you can find lot's of other GNR fans that do give too.

You need to understand that ChiDem is a GNR album just as AFD is. And that it's as good as any other GNR album. Time to act like a grown up and accept it.

Having been to the May 31st show of the 2014 Vegas residency where Duff played bass, I can say that the way that he attacked the CD songs was awesome.  Just the way he came out for Chinese Democracy and the way he jumped around during Better was cool to see.  Who is to say that Slash couldn't/wouldn't find a similar enthusiasm?  Better, TWAT, Madagascar, IRS, Street of Dreams, Prostitute could all work.  Would be interesting to see Slash take on This I Love as well.

seriously, how the hell would a blues-rock guitarist as Slash is, play this? https://youtu.be/xzvV4x5nIgE?t=3m30s not talking about this https://youtu.be/nieYFl-N9xI?t=4m20s or like this (for example) https://youtu.be/QWK99RS18JQ?t=3m20s
these guys are a different league. with all respect to Slash.

There is nothing stopping Slash from playing his own versions of the CD songs. No one is going to give a shit ,if someone wanking a guitar trying to put 1000 notes in 10 seconds isnt there.
I doubt CD songs will be played, if they are great, if not so be it. But regardless they will sound more like Guns N' Roses with Slash playing with an updated solo, then BBF and Buckethead in a shred fest.

Beyond stoked to hear them play together.  Man oh man, is Richard probably happy as a clam that he stuck it out for 14 years.

2016... :drool:

well, after all, it doesn't matter too much who's the guitarist. in the end, everything depends on Axl's shape anyway :) because any of the past, current or possible future GNR guitarists are extremely good players.

I hope Slash do whatever he fkn wants on stage. All the gigs plays different!! That rocks.

4tus n Slash can be a good mixture. Waitin to see that!

Here's why I think there will be some Chinese Democracy stuff in there:

1. Slash and Duff are back in Guns N' Roses. Regardless of how you feel, Axl owns GNR. They are joining his band. What that means is that they are playing Guns N' Roses songs. If they flat out refuse because "it's not GNR", that means they don't respect what Axl went through putting it out.

2. Axl not only fought way more than any of us could ever imagine to put out Chinese. Think he's just gonna say: "screw it, let's just play the old hits." Not gonna happen. I don't see that being possible.

Oh and to chime in, can't see Slash doing the solos of CD or Shackler's, etc. Not even close to his style. So maybe Fortus takes it. Now I know people don't consider Fortus a "virtuoso" but the man can fucking play.

Well to play Shacklers solo you need a fretless guitar, i dont know if anyone in the band can play fretless guitar.

Lol at comment 1. C'mon man. Really?! Give me a freaking break. You guys have to stop this crap. Axl, Slash, and Duff most likely have an equal partnership.  Why can't some of just just realize that and move on? We have better things to talk about.

Would you be surprised if Slash put a KFC Bucket on, and started shredding... We know that he is capable.  But I don't know if he can play a fretless...

Better things like what? What I said is true. Axl owns 100% of GN'R. You think he's just gonna split it now? You should laught at that. Move on? Like the last 16 years didn't happen?

How does it affect anyone's enjoyment of the music - no matter what the legal agreement among them is?

Mb he could play the original solos that buckethead wrote for the song.   The song that he actually wrote. Then Ron got a chance to play a solo

He Ron.   Here's this great song that Simone else wrote.  Put a solo on it k.   We will pull the other one.   

I am sure slash will do just fine

Who's Simone? :hihi:

You think after all these years, Slash and Duff are just going to walk back in and have EQUAL partnership?  What drug are you on?

Your mom

Calm down, it was just a joke. No need for acting like an prick.

Haha as was mine.   

No harm meant to your real mom

I am sure her name is Simone else

Potassium?  :hihi:

Baconman strikes again!  :hihi:

Izzy's in man.

At least for all of AFD and Patience.

He's not going to sit home on his couch jacking his pud while the other four play.

That being said I'm more excited for Izzy playing Izzy's parts and Fortus standing on the sideline beating his own meat.

I wonder about what you are on as well. If you think that Slash and Duff would have come back under AXl then you are not facing reality. Most likely, this is under the old partnership that Axl left. So I would say give it up already. There is much better things to talk about than rehashing who owns the band.  That's  all I'm saying.

umm... maybe a stupid idea, but - what if this thing will get bigger and more ex-members will make a guest appearance? maybe Robin Finck, Izzy, DJ Ashba or even Adler?

Because it wouldnt be bigger in the eyes of the public.

I would think things are the same as they have been... the three of them have been business partners all along no? With Axl owning the name Guns n Roses... I imagine that remains. Plus didn't they re do the merchandising making the three of them partners in that as well?

Does anybody really think Axl is getting all of the money for this and paying Slash and Duff a salary for each show? I find that hard to believe...

but like somebody said WHO CARES! I am just happy that we are going to see it ... probably.  :)

I really like CD... so who are you trying to kid? I just don't want to hear Shackley's Revenge man. Who gives a fuck about that?

I'm cool with like 4 CD songs. Lets be honest here though... Gn'R is 85-95 in reality. It always will be.

Ouch.  ;)

Wrong.

You may not like other lineups but that does not mean the band only existed in the years you mentioned.

The problem with not doing CD is that it becomes a nostalgia act, and the end of the road and to a lot of fans it will be meh! There's no coming back from that. To become the progressive act I believe they want to be, they need to embrace CD and produce new material.

as a popband yeah

If - and it's a big if, the Chinese Democracy songs are played, they might even sound better stripped down and re-orchestrated a bit - I'm of the opinion a bunch of them were too busy, and had too much going on. It's yet to be seen who's in the band, let alone what will be played.

No I like the other lineups. Aside from the lead guiar issues the bassists/rhythm sections were the same. Axl/Fortus/Stinson was a mainstay from like 2001 onward. Drummers changed like what once in 06? I'm cool with other people being in the band and them playing CD songs.

I just don't want a setlist with 10 CD songs. I mean it isn't what I would want to hear. And like it or not, Gn'R is what the older guys brought. That is what it is. that 10 yearish period from 85 to 95 or so. The whole 1 album in 16 years Gn'R (yes I'm being nice 98-14) doesn't cut it for me. That isn't a "band".

Aside from Axl/Fortus/Stinson and maybe Ferrer the rest can get bent and have no bearing on the Gn'R legacy to me.

I love CD, but I'd trade CD songs for new songs any day. It's been a while since we don't hear new music.

Anyways, I'm really interested in see the new dynamic of the guitar section with Slash's return. Before you had two leads and one rhtyhm with some leads. If its true that we'll have just 2 guitars and only Slash as a lead, does that means that Richard will not have as much solos as he did back in that era? If that's the case, and they still want to play CD tracks, that would mean the songs would sound totally different with no more virtuoso fills and/or weird sounds (Im talking about stuff like Madagascar solo and killswitches). I'm ok with that, but I think Fortus deserves to keep some of that spotlight.

Nope, Slash wrote/played a song, Lock and Load, for the Dead Daisies 2013 album.....

Setlist Is Simply:

- Jams
- New Songs
- Cover Songs
- Classics Songs
- ChineseDisc Songs

 8)

Who cares about the ChiDem songs ?

You've been hearing them for years now, played by people who weren't even (or hardly) on the album...

Right, because they certainly played so many Chinese songs on any of the recent tours.

YOU are now officially crazy ...  ;D

Says the nikki sixx fan  ;D

Chinese songs will be played just like Illusion or Spaghetti songs will be played. Illusion and Spaghetti lineup was different than Apppetite.  It's ALL GNR.

Very poor logic there. AFD to UYI simply changed the drummer and added a keyboardist. (Izzy was on the album and its conception, just left into the tour). The Spaghetti album is a little different but its just Gilby on guitar and not izzy. So even then it still was Axl/Slash/Duff/Sorum/Clarke/Reed which is pretty close to the original.

And you're acting like the 98+ lineups of Axl/Fortus/Stinson/Buckethead/Ashba/Reed/Mantia/Ferrer/Finck/Bumblefoot/Tobias      is just the same?

Check yourself. lmao

Nikki Sixx, Woody Woodpecker, whoever you want to drag into this ...

... won't make ChiDem as good as (or as 'GNR' as) anything from '85-93'.

 ;D

Guns N' Roses will forever be 85-95

That era is the band.

NU Gn'R is good but it isn't the same.

Guns N' Roses will forever be 99-15

That era is the band.

Glam-Gn'R is good but it isn't the same.

Once again, some of you decided this should be in the Dead Horse section.
Can't say I'm a surprised.



/jarmo

Which some...the some that think real GNR is '85-'95 or the some that think it's '98-'15?   ;D

All the ones who think the discussion about which era of the band is better, has a place in a thread about two guitar players who might be sharing a stage together in a few months.



/jarmo

I'd like to hear these two jam the Godfather Theme. Ha!

x

or messages after cw, extended intro


i trolled, my comment doesn't represent me.

I think it is great s and a sorted things out personally (my mom and my aunt hasn't) and look forward to see axl w slash and also 2 c slash in a modern rockband.

You trolled your own comment. Your comment doesn?t represent you.  Well that?s something I don?t see very often.

  :rofl:

Agreed, it's super lame. Can't wait until April when Slash & Fortus play together effectively merging the eras, and people can no longer pick their piddly sides.

What a stupid statement, of course it was a band- look up the definition if you have any doubts.  ::)

Also- you don't get to decide what comprises GNR, or what GNR is and isnt- that is misplaced entitlement nonsense. You can like it, and support it- or you can choose not to- but you don't get to decide what GNR is- look up legacy definition while you're at it.

Who wrote all the lyrics, melodies and determined, in every sense (musically and from a business perspective) what was to be? Who told the band what to play, and how to play it? Who determined what take would be the one that was used? Who determined if, when and where the band would take the stage?

Compare this to another group also named Guns N' Roses where the writing of lyrics and melodies as well as strategic direction and business decisions were shared and not simply made unilaterally.

Derp!

Has nothing to do with that poster I was responding to saying it wasn't a band.

Of course it is/was a band- that is not up for debate.

YOU don't get to decide what is and isn't GNR either, despite all your little list of descriptions.

It is and was GNR whether you like it or not :D

What separates a band, in the common sense of the word, from a solo project to you?
Is Nine Inch Nails a band?

Actually, that's a good idea. I mean, it could be another song for a duo, like Robin and Richard did with Beautiful.

You Imagine:

- Slash
- Robin Finck
- Richard Fortus

 :drool:

You don't have to name all the lineups for me bro.  and weather you like it or not, Chinese songs may very well be played, because Chinese is GNR.  By your logic, "pretty close" is ok....but once Slash and Duff left...than its not ok.  Get real

Nice attempt to deflect-.

GNR is/was  GNR whether they meet your little specifications or not.

Do not care about NIN.

Seems to be a lot of these people springing up that think they get to decide what GNR is and isn't, depending on what they like :D

You're the one deflecting. What's the difference between a solo project, and a band to you?
GN'R from 1997-2014 was GN'R....in a legal sense. In a business and artistic sense, it was a solo project.
I mean, if Axl sold the rights to the name Guns N' Roses to another artist, and they made records totally unaffiliated with Axl (or any past or current member) under the Guns N' Roses name...It'd be 100% Guns N' Roses in your book?

From 1987 To 1996 Also

 : ok:

This is unreal... way too many liberal thinking people out there.

Guns N' Roses is clear a band now and it always has been.

When you release 1 album in a period of 10 years as a band it doesn't go in the same level as actual Guns N' Roses. You have to admit this.

Guns N' Roses produced 4 studio albums (AFD, UYI 1 and 2, TSI?) in a period of 7 years or so. I'm not counting Lies... as it is hardly a LP.

When you look at it from a point of credibility... Nu GN'R seems very unofficial to me. Mostly because of the constant lead guitarist changes over the years. Plus it took 2 leads to make 1 Slash.

I do like the newer Guns N' Roses. I saw them live and they were just fantastic. I think too many people here just want Chinese Democracy II... and that isn't going to happen now.

Deal with it.

False

 :smoking:

And the legal entity and partnership which existed from 1985 to 1996 was a different legal entity than what existed after 1996. Even from a legal perspective, GN'R prior to 1996 and GN'R after 1996 were two different 'groups':

"This will serve as notice [that] effective Decemeber 30th 1995, I will withdraw from the partnership. I intend to use the name 'Guns N' Roses' in connection with a new group which I will form." - Axl's letter to Slash and Duff, 8/31/1995.

Yes, New Members For GNR

 :smoking:

I'm with you Cherry Garcia.

I don't even know how this thing got hijacked like this. It's a shame.

We all love Guns N' Roses, but it is pretty clear that some people aren't that excited about the old band reuniting and are wanting elements of post 1998 Gn'R to be included with this via music, and style.

If I could pick my way... I'd have the Original lineup back (Axl/Izzy/Slash/Duff/Adler) with Dizzy Reed (fuck chris pittman) and then have fortus/Ferrer on standby in case something stupid happens.

That probably won't happen and I"m very cool with Fortus and Ferrer being in, if that is what comes true.

Guns N' Roses has existed in 2 different entities. 85-98 and then everything after 98.

Slash was out in 96, Matt in 97 and then Duff in 98.

For a brief time in 1998 all you had was Axl Rose, Paul Tobias, and Dizzy Reed lmao....

Tommy Stinson to me is almost as important as Duff based on his long tenure in Gn'R, but with just 1 album its hard to make it equal. Other than Axl obviously... no one else in New Guns n' Roses is even close. Well maybe Fortus. That's it.

Duff left in '97 as well. Matt was fired in April or May 1997, and Duff left in the first two weeks of August 1997, just before his daughter was born.

Oh oops. Wasn't sure really.

Anyone knows when and under what circumstances Gilby left the band?

Yep.  Now that Slash and Duff are back, they think they know all the answers and how things are.  What they don't understand is that their opinion isn't the truth. 

I don't think Gilby left the band. My impression is he was offered a contract, he satisfied it, was paid, and it wasn't renewed.

I'm excited for this.  But when I go to a show, I would love to hear some Chinese.  Why, because it's GNR and I like some of it.  I'm not saying they will play 10 Chinese sings for crying out loud, but maybe 3-4.  Your telling us that we won't hear any Chinese and to deal with it.  Really?  Deal with it?  It's your opinion that they won't play Chinese, not a fact.  And you show no respect for some talented and creative people in GNR after your boys left, by saying you don't give a $&!?.  I don't care if it's 1 album or 10 albums...it's still in GNR's catalogue and good.  Why would Axl just shit on it?

Around June 1994 unofficially, and was out by the fall of 1994 definitely.
Circumstances were he had gotten into a fight with Slash, and then got into an argument with Axl, then aired GN'R's dirty laundry to the public in May 1994, and then Axl called him up saying he wanted to take the band in a different direction, but didn't tell Gilby he was fired. Gilby was never officially fired nor did he officially quit. The band went ahead and recorded Sympathy in the fall of 1994 without bothering to tell him. He launched a lawsuit against the band in 1996.

Why You Insults Members Of GNR ? Who's You ?

No- GNR was a band, and IS a band, has ALWAYS been a band regardless of your little personal stipulations.

IF frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their asses when they hopped- we aren't dealing with IFs here.

I don't think you have a good grasp on actual facts- you are very mistaken in your assumptions.  ::)

All these bandwagon fans popping up and thinking they know it all are laughable (and annoying)  : ok:

How do the band's legal issues affect your enjoyment of the music?

Some people need to stop thinking they know it all and just settle down and be fans (if they are fans at all).

Why are you insulting Chris Pitman? How old are you?  :rant:

I agree 100%. I don't think people are asking for more than 3 or 4 CD songs either, despite what Thorned Rose have been saying in some other thread.

Also, the "one album in X years" doesn't make sense at all. Like it or not, the band was active after 2000, with some quiet (long) periods in between, but still an entity. And they RELEASED one record, doesn't mean they stopped working on studio or whatever. 

Anyways, I think people are genuinely excited to see Slash and Duff back in the band. I really don't think there are people complaining about them that much, or wanting the CD era band back so much... It's just that fans - and I mean real fans, not fairweather fans who jump the wagon whenever they want to go to a concert and who don't even know who Izzy is - care about Chinese Democracy because it is a GNR album, like it or not. We just don't want to see it neglected just because Slash and Duff are back - on the opposite, we would love to see them playing it and put their own personal style on it. I can't see how is this a bad thing.

A bunch of post 98 NU Gn'R purists lol  :rofl:

No- have always been a GNR supporter and support all lineups.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about 99℅ of the time, and there is no such band as NUGNR..it is Guns N' Roses.

Just a friendly reminder to those who use the quote button to reply.

There really is little need to quote a number of posts if you're only responding to the last sentence of the latest one.
You can always use this button if editing the quotes is too difficult: (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/Themes/HTGTH_red/images/english/reply.gif)

Thank you.




/jarmo

How long you been preaching this?  Feel it's landing, do ya?  See a lot of progress on that front?

Its a semantic term.  You don't like it...oh well.  You have about as much chance of eradicating it as you do blocking out the sun.

Accept that people are going to use it and learn to live with it.

I don't stand much chance in eradicating blatant stupidity, ignorance and endless complaining either, but that doesn't mean I'll turn a blind eye to it.

There is no such thing as NUGNR.

Seems a strange hill to die on.  It's that big a deal?

Whenever that term comes up in any thread, you are there like someone just flashed the fucking bat signal, but I've not seen one shred of evidence you have shown anyone the supposed error of their ways.

Doesn't Axl himself call them "new Guns" in those chats?

No.
"In regard to nuGUNS, I get that sometimes it helps to be able to clarify. Personally I call this GUNS and the 'Illusions' or previous lineups 'old GUNS.'"
Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/axl-rose-why-i-am-continung-to-use-name-guns-n-roses/#vUMALWU8VMJHHFT0.99

The so called NuGN'R is now the old band. Stop hating the old band. :D

Edited to add: I suggest you stop that particular discussion. Axl seems to understand why some use the term, maybe the rest of us could do the same and move on....



/jarmo

All I've been doing Emily is support my claims with FACTS...

You clearly are a huge huge supporter of the New Guns N' Roses. I am too. Maybe not as huge as you though.

It is quite clear that Guns N' Roses exists in 2 separate things. The classic old band 85-96 and then the new band 98-2014. If anyone doesn't see it this way then I guess they just don't have any logic.

When you take out EVERY member of a very good band, and it is Axl, Paul Tobias and Dizzy Reed (some of 1998 was like this)

you don't have a band and what once was... isn't.

It is great that NU Gn'R  came about. I'm glad about that for sure. I'm just saying that they are 2 separate things. The band name is the same, but the band doesn't resemble anything from the first era. Rarely in rock does this happen like this. Actually maybe it has never happened now to think of it. Van Halen did it in reverse with the singer being gone and everyone else staying mostly.

Dare to dream.

Everythis stated above by me makes a lot of sense and are all facts. You're just romanticizing about a band you can't enjoy any longer.  :beer: (Nu gnr)

but...slash and duff is joining nugnr

I was really into talking about the dynamics of Slash and Fortus in this thread. Really.

In case some of you missed Jarmo's post here it is again.

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On topic:  I loved the way Izzy and Richard intertwined when performing together.  I see no reason why it would be any different when Slash and Richard take the stage together.

This is all so exciting I cant wait for April to see GNR 2016! I will be there 1st weekend !