Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Why would Matt Sorum be so tight lipped if he wasn't involved?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ09UaiDas0

Maybe because he is depressed about it?

LOL That doesn't make any sense..

Ferrer will be the drummer for Coachella. Deal with it.

I've neither confirmed or denied my involvement. That means I'll be singing. Sorry guys. I might let Axl up to do a verse or two though.

No need for speculation anymore.  its a done deal, :peace:

He was coming back to LA to say goodbye to a friend.  Lemmy.

Nah, I doubt Matt would be too broken up about it if he were left out of this.  He has done  a lot of other stuff besides GNR in his career and has been realistic about his place in the bands history.  He's not like Steven Adler who comes across as if he has been waiting by the phone for the last 25 years.  Matt already said he wouldn't take part in a reunion without Steven being involved, that goes to show how important it is to him.

Could be because the full lineup hasn't been announced yet, so he'd be stealing thunder away from Slash and Duff just by denying his involvement.

IDK man...this thing goes down without Sorum and Sorum is a forgotten man again...I think it'd kill him to be not even a small part of this

I would love to see Matt play

I could see Frank and Dizzy on bongos

Hahahahaha

Really wish Brain was playing!!!!

Out of respect? I don't think he'd want to be the bitter guy who tries to get the attention at this point. He's a smart guy.

Maybe they want to maintain certain surprise element as to what line-up/setlist alternations might be used at the shows.

I think the three big guys are still closing some details on who will be performing with them and when. Maybe Matt still thinks he has a chance, maybe he's in talks.

But if Eddie Trunk is to be believed, Sorum would be totally out of the game. I don't know.

I'd think that any potential player has been embargo'd speech wise, and the penalty for failing to adhere to this would be to be written out of any chance of appearing.  My guess is that there will be a core band with invitations to other for certain shows, mixing it up a bit, with say Matt at one, Steven at another both at another. Just to give the audience a bit of a surprise.

Happy days.... : ok:

Personally i think Matt and Frank will combine forces with a duel kit attack, catapulting them into a far superior rhythmic realm only attained by a select few Rock legends in the past. Adler will be on the bongo's cause he has the best smile.

This has got to be the first reunion ever where people don't know who is exactly reuniting. Guns just do things their way  :rofl:

copy from my other post:


whats with all the posts about matt /axl tensions?
He gave few interviews where he said he wouldnt mind performing with then "Nu GNR"... and he also ran into Axl at some bar in 06 where they were cool
http://metalsludge.tv/classic/?p=31324
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/matt-sorum-says-he-would-have-no-problems-with-playing-with-current-version-of-guns-n-roses/

do not invent feuds where there are none.

Maybe he was in good terms with Matt, but not enough to work with him?

It seems pretty obvious to me Frank is behind the kit. He said so in 2015 & did a Q&A on the Nightrain. Richard has SAID he's still in the band as well.

It's clear from his Twitter feed that Matt was in NYC with his wife. He hasn't flown back on GN'R business.

If Matt or Izzy were the people on stage that would have been on the press release. If there is a deal being done about Steven making guest appearances which would be cool that makes sense.

Haha! Brilliant!

Any other band would really capitalize on the 'reunion' aspect- press photos, press conference, pictures altogether etc. Only GNR leave us all as baffled as we ever were, scratching around social media posts to try and work out who is even playing!

Which is what makes them infinitely more interesting than most other bands!

Yes! i was also asking a week ago where these Axl hates Matt comments come from.
I have never heard Matt badmouthing Axl or GNR, Unlike Adler who for the last few years has made some pretty nasty comments about GNR (its a fraud, nobody knows Frank ect.)

This.  I think he spoke at the funeral.  I doubt he has anything to do with Coachella.

Maybe later on down the road....

Did you see what happened between him and Weiland in VR?

I doubt Axl would refer to him this way if he was the nicest guy ever to be in GN'R: For me Matt doesn't figure into the equation and for as much as I was a friend to him he was incapable of reciprocating and life is much better without such an obvious albatross. Axl, August 2002

So yeah, I doubt the posts about tensions between them are just made up.
But I don't know what it's like today.



/jarmo

At least he wasn't a cancer that lived in his ass...  So he has that leg up on Slash ;)

One would think that it's just that the drummer spot was already filled...

If he can mend fences with Slash... then... being mad at Matt for being a "slash guy" doesn't make much sense...

Frank is the drummer... he didn't quit...so Axl isn't going to kick him in the curb.

well, he was just a "former employee" ;)

Never been a huge fan of Matt, so not eager to see him involved.   That said, if he is, then so be it.

I really like Frank, and think he is probably the best choice.   It takes away the Steven vs. Matt thing.

I don't know if Matt vs Frank is much of a difference as far as selling tickets. I do believe Steven is for sure a difference. Remember 95-99% of the fans have never heard of Frank or seen him play. It's just the hard core like us.  If they're really going for stadiums in the U.S. they'd want to go for as many of the Appetite and/or Illusions lineup on stage as possible.

I liked Sorum a lot on the monster 91-92-93 TOUR!

Ill love to see him again.

 :peace:

I think Frank as the main drummer, and a section of the show with Adler, and a encore with both would make a lot of people happy.   :beer:

Mark my words, Frank and Adler will switch places during the Coachella shows..,.Adler doing around 3 songs.  Same for Izzy.
Then the tour will come and Adler will say goodbye.

Matt's out.

I think Axl has never cared about drums and drummers in general. He's always been the piano/orchestra guy, so he doesn't give a fuck about it. Looks like everybody can play drums in gnr.

Frank is a good drummer as many others. Matt was like a drum machine. Brain was the greatest one (even if in gnr didn't do a good job imho) but i think he was more a "trojan horse" to get buckethead in.  Adler was for sure one of a kind and imho the best choice for a "classic gnr sound" but really too weak to play something heavier and for a long time.

That being said, probably frank is the best choice cause in Axl's mind he's just the bum bum cha guy and he doesn't need /want to have any additional problem

You're probably right... Frank is the only one who does not have space for a solo. Back in UYI Matt had. I find drum solos quite unnecessary by the way...

Josh Freese is criminally forgotten in the GNR world.
He is one of if not best modern rock drummer of the world. The hardest GNR song to play on drums is Oh My God, imo.

I mean you have to be pretty hardcore when Sting wants you to be his drummer.

Totally agree

I think it's pretty cool. He also did Riad and TWAT's drum arrangement - both really, really cool drums.

I don't think Axl ever considered Josh Freese a real band member, he was probably more like a studio recording musician - of course, an extremely skillful one.

but matt was the last one to leave GNR. He basically suggested Finck to Axl in the first place.
And there's that 2006 encounter where they were cool to each other. And 0 negative comments from Matt since then, including him saying that he wouldnt mind sharing a stage with Axl.


btw... I dont know how many of you people have read Ayn Rands "Atlas Shrugged"... but if Axl took the book as nearly as serious as I did... would explain a lot about his stance to life and people in particular.

his rethorics are often similar to that of Rand.

nope, actually Sorum rage-quit in 1997 and Duff later, probably amicably, in 1998. just sayin'.

The one drummer that casual fans associate with GNR is Adler, so if he won't be the drummer Frank is the obvious choice. Matt would bring too much baggage and it wouldn't be that much of an improvement on Frank, probably would be more expensive also.

Absolutely brilliant drum tracks. Theres Street Of Dreams and Prostitute as well.

According to Matt he was fired after a argument with Axl.

WTF are you talking about. That's ridiculous.
Millions of FANS did see GN'R on tour 2006-2014. Frank has been in the band over 10 years.

First option STEVEN ADLER,i cant imagine the original guys leaving him behaind,he deserves to be there,he was one of the creators of tha AFD sound,and he has beg all his life for this,let him play maybe 5 or 6 song per show.And the rest of the show Ferrer if he is still there or Sorum,but for sure Adler has to be there.He can play,we have seen many videos so.....let him play.

Respect? Professionalism? Because some of his friends asked him to answer "no comment" til those actually involved decide to make an announcement (or play their first gig)?

Personally, I think only the more serious fans have a drummer preference.  Most casual fans don't know who the drummer is.  I'm a casual fan of Green Day, for example, I couldn't name their drummer(s?) without looking it up. 

For God's sake, Frank is drumming. Source: Frank. Frank telling people at other gigs he's doing it. Frank heading to L.A. for rehearsals. Frank.

 :drool:

My theory is there will be two bands... The "touring band" and the Coachella lineup.  Since Coachella is such a HUGE event and close to LA, this is where you will get the AFD 5 and some UYI lineups to make everyone happy... Then, when the stadium tour starts, you get the Franks, Richards, Pittman's plus Slash, Duff, Axl etc... 

Maybe... It seems very stange to me after knowing how outspoken he's been in the past.  It just seems clear to me that we'll see him guest on some songs maybe not at coachella but after

The only issue I see with the "AFD 5" playing Coachella is that this will be the first time in a long time a shitload of people will be paying attention to GNR in 20 years.

And are you ready to count on Adler in such a big spot?  Would concern me.

Or that no-one is obliged to answer questions posed out in public by someone with a camera and a contact at TMZ?

If they did that, which I doubt... Frank is going to be there in some roll, sort of the how Sorum was on stage during the RRHOF (Sorum could have swapped in for Paradise City if SCOM went poorly). Frank could do the same at any point if they gave Steven a go... I just don't see it other than a one song guest spot and I wouldn't do this at the biggest show the band has played in 20+ years.

Maybe because ambushing someone at an airport is really rude, and the less Matt says, the less chance there is anyone will bug him again?

Also if he says "Mickey Mouse is on drums" it'll be all over the internet in 0.5 seconds.

I?m afraid you?re completely wrong here. Just off the top of my head I can remember two interviews with two different GN?R drummers. One of them with Matt explaining why he played certain parts in the DC-NR-EST trio the way he played them and how they figured this with Axl. The more recent interview was with Brain (in 2015 or 14), and he talked about the Bucket era; he?d played some drum parts to Axl, with one little piece where he omitted a single kick-drum note ? and Axl noticed that immediately. Brain said something like "that man knows his shit". Not to mention what he said in general about recording of his parts for ChD.

So apparently, Axl cares about the music as a whole (and mainly his parts, of course) but also about individual instruments and musicians and their contribution.
In fact, saying that Axl didn?t care about something that concerned recording ChinDem is utter nonsense, imo.

Because this is a "come back" per se, this is really this biggest concert in the history of Guns when you look at the whole situation.

I don't think that statement could be further from the truth... While some of it isn't my favorite drumming style he had to of the most respected drummers in the industry in Josh Freese and Brain back to back, and that was calculated... as was stated above, he listened to and nitpicked over ever percussive 'note' on the album.


I am a huge proponent of the 'classic era' of GnR but of the drummers that have taken a stage with GnR I think top to bottom Frank is the best drummer they have had.

 

If anyone sounds like a drum machine it's Brain... there are times when they played live that I actually wondered if his drums were actively mic'd up because it sounded like the backing drum track of a hip hop album... and honestly that isn't even meant as a slight, it shows how good he is, but my opinion (based on my musical interests) is that he wasn't a great fit, specifically for the classic lineup material.

I?d rather take my chances with the guys responsible for AFD-UYI?s existence than have safe, reliable, session artists(regardless of how talented they may be) in their place just to keep the gravy train rolling. Would actually be surprised if Slash and Duff really agreed to an Izzy, Steven, Matt-less GN?R.

If it?s a comeback, or a reunion of GN?R, then put GN?R up there on stage and live with the results.

Fortus, Pitman and Frank may be popular choices on this board, but you?d be hard pressed to find someone on the street who knows these people exist, never mind take them over the classic lineup.

They played for 3 years without Steven and nearly 2.5 without Izzy.

Izzy made a decision, they understand it, and moved on. I'm sure they'd happily play with him , but they will also play without him.
As far as Steven is concerned, if they were all comfortable with him he would have played a role in one of the many projects they worked on in the past, but he didn't... Snake Pit, VR, Loaded, the list goes on and on... no one has worked with him since he was bounced in 1990 (few random one off's excluded)... but none of them were the biggest concert the band has played in decades.

Agree with all of this, big time.

That bit in bold is always my answer to people telling me that Steven was so awesome.  Really?  Then how come he's done fuck all in 25 years?  And I don't just mean in general, which is true enough.  Even his own boys don't ring him up.  That's not telling?

I'm not willing to live with the results of having Adler up there for a full show.  :no:

While I agree with you to an extent.... Axl doesn't...

He's not going to can guys who have been with him for all this time who didn't quit on him...especially when you consider the baggage Steven brings and Izzy just simply doesn't want to fully commit to it.


I think there's at least a chance the 5 play coachella together... which would be really cool....and izzy can help out int he studio and show up from time to time.

Then the other guys slide back in.

I hear as many Chinese Democracy songs on the radio as I do Adler songs, so I guess you could say the same about Axl.

It?s not what they?ve done since, but what they accomplished together way back when.
Would be cool to see the classic lineup back on stage again, when it seemed forever unlikely.

Close to no one aside from maybe their mothers and a few people on this board will be paying any attention to Frank, Richard, and Pitman.

Sure GN?R went on after Izzy left, but you could have fooled the majority of the fan base from a creative standpoint.

Could have Adler/Sorum.
If those two can't get you through a tour, it's probably not meant to be.

Sure, put the training wheels on Adler and we'll be fine  :P

I really don't understand the love for Adler. I really don't. If the band lets him play a few songs then good for them for throwing him a bone. I think he will just end up biting everybody in the ass no matter how small or large his involvement.
He will gravel for a small bit and then just want more and more. nothing the band does for him will be good enough.
Frank is a GREAT drummer and a great person.

Adler can still play and play well. I love his style much more than Sorum's style.

Just give him a deal. When he fucks up hes gone. And will be banished forever. He does deserve a chance at this though.

WHY? I don't think he deserves a chance at all. It's the band's decision and if they want to do it I will support their decision. But I really hope he's not at a show that I attend.

It is the band?s decision if they want him or not. But Adler was there in the early days because he wanted to give the band a chance. He believed in the band and his then bandmates He helped the band to build something big out of nothing. He is the one playing drums in the band?s most popular album.

Adler and Sorum always acted like backstabbing pricks, since they got kicked out of GNR. maybe that's why they seem to be out of favour.

And you want to risk that?

These Coachella shows are basically make or break for the future of this band.  How can you introduce any sort of variable to the mix that might sink you?

Axl is a risk as well. We know how they may react. Even the smallest thing could pissed him off. We still don?t know how the state of his voice is at the moment. We don?t know if he might messed up NR lyrics

The Adler thing: At best he's negotiating for 2-3 song guest sopt.  It's a non-risk for the band, and makes them all look great by including him. And if he goes off the rails? Frank can play literally everything.

As far as having him back full time? Give me a break. They guy can play 1 out of 4 albums worth of music. There's literally no way he's THE drummer, under any circumstances. End of story.

Would be noble if GNR offered him some guest appearances but I think he would find a way to fuck them up.

He is a walking liability.

There is NO comparing Axl to Adler- that is laughable and a grasping maneuver on your part.

I can't even rule out he might show up under the influence.

Which he could blame on nerves, or what have you.  Hardcore addicts rarely struggle for excuses.

Then where are you?

He played on AFD, Lies, and demoed the majority of, if not all of UYI.
So he can play the 4 albums that 99.9% of GN'R's fanbase gives a shit about.

Very different kind of risks.  I have zero belief Axl would show up blasted out of his mind, in no condition to perform.

"if not all of UYI"??

Better double check those liner notes.

Lol. Yeah, dude. And I'm sure he remembers ALL OF IT.  :hihi:

It's not ridiculous.

The sheer number of people paying attention to GNR again after 20 years is absurdly high.

These people could not tell you one thing about recent line-ups, save who WASN'T in them.

Agreed, although I wouldn't be surprised at some guest appearances from Adler.

No need. I said he demoed the majority, if not all of UYI.
He was there for the creation of the songs. Sorum came in later and did his thing.
Never said Adler ended up on the final tracks.
But he was involved in the creation of GN'R's 4 most popular albums.

Yeah, that's hilarious.  I would love to see even as a prank to have management approach the Coachella promoters saying, "Look, I know you're nervous about about Axl, him being a wildcard and all, so he's out, we're getting someone else to sing, maybe Adam Lambert."

I agree, he is not reliable and a giant hazard on several fronts-
Not only for the addiction/relapse issues, but because he is prone to media manipulation and says the most regrettable things. And he did sue the band- not once, but twice.

I can't see where anything except a few well-monitored  guest appearances make any business sense at all.

Haha- sure, nobody would mind if he was replaced with someone like- Myles Kennedy  :hihi:

Axl is irreplaceable in GNR.

The classic lineup all has a history of drug/alcohol dependency, so they are all at risk of relapsing.
I think it would best best if they commissioned the members of Fugazi to play as Guns N? Roses to help minimize this risk.
Plus it would save promoters a ton of money, so hopefully they could pass those savings down to us.

Brendan Canty is the best drummer of the lot, anyway.

As I stated previously, it is not only the risk of Adler relapsing, it is him running his mouth or hitting them with yet another Lawsuit- he has done that twice already.

An unnecessary risk that doesn't have to be taken.

Can anyone here really say with any certainty he would not run to the press complaining about even a reduced role?

I know some of you think he would just be happy with anything, but I'm not sure I see it that way.  He often waxes poetic about the "magic" the 5 of them made.

Can you tell me he would not be on Twitter saying how awesome it was to play on 3 songs...then 30 seconds later another tweet about how he knows "the real fans" would rather he be up there the whole time.   

Followed by another tweet 20 minutes later saying he didn't mean anything buy it, how he loves Frank, etc.

That's who this guy is, people.

He was already running his mouth a few months back during that Eddie Trunk interview, where he scoffed at the idea of Dizzy joining the original five, and referred to Frank as "their nameless drummer". Not to mention, villainizing Slash & Duff. He's just...such an idiot. Here he was, trying to sell himself, while bashing two members that Axl obviously cares about, and making Slash & Duff sound like a couple of dicks.

A walking disaster and liability if there ever was one. He will be beyond LUCKY if they let him play a couple songs with them.

Well my plan kills two birds with one stone.
Hiring Fugazi to play as Guns N? Roses not only absolves them of the risk of relapse, it also shields them from any legal action Steven chooses to take, because he?d actually be suing Fugazi.

They could mix in some Fugazi songs, I guess they?d actually be covers, and also have Ted Nugent make a guest appearance, because he?s never indulged in drugs or alcohol.

Exactly right.

Exactly. Any kindness that is shown to Adler by GNR will come back and bite them in the ass. he has never let go of the past and is willing to sell his soul for ANY attention. In the long run whatever they do for him WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH!

I also agree with George.

Another point: When it comes to old-school fans returning now, Izzy seems to be important to many. I've seen a few articles and many raises a question if Izzy is involved, very few has Adler as a deal breaker if not included.

But: Slash is (bar Axl) the biggest draw anyways, so I think we're talking about 10-20% of the fanbase who is concerned about anyone else outside of those two.

I?ve seen the light.
Adler shouldn?t be involved because Adler says mean things, and mean things make me very sad.
Welcome to the reunion, Frank. And Rich. And Pitman.
Allow me to introduce you to Slash, the person whom you are reuniting with after all these years.
Oh, how the fans have longed for this day.

So, like, when someone gives you an awesome gift, are you one of those spoiled kids who goes "Aww man, a really wanted a....."? Cuz that's how you sound here.  Like a kid who needs everything exactly the way you want it for it to have any merit.

no, I think that pretty much sums up Steven Adler.
 He will NEVER be truly pacified with a few guest spots. NEVER!
 I can understand the band wanting to be generous and noble. there is a lot of nostalgia for some folks.
But it will end up biting GNR in the ass.
 Word to the motherf**er, straight outta the CTA!

Why have the real thing, when you can have this cheap imitation, at an over inflated cost?

I?m just having a little fun here, boss.

Is it exciting news that Slash is going to be on stage with Axl again?
Absolutely.

Do I see it as a true GN?R reunion?
No, because it simply is not a true GN?R reunion.

If it were, I would be there.
And I may be there even with this half assed version they?re slinging.
Because not unlike yourself, I am a sucker.

It's your super hardcore inside baseball type fan who is THAT concerned with Adler.

To the masses, Slash coming back is miracle enough.  Duff is an added bonus.

That is true. I read on another site that promoters are mainly focused on the reunion of Axl and Slash and to a lesser extent, Duff.

I wonder.  Steven might be happy enough with two/three song guest slots if they were a) regular enough and b) lucrative enough.  This is a guy whose entire income is based on one album, released almost thirty years ago - decent money from a tour's-worth of guest appearances might come in handy.  If it's made clear to him that it's that or nothing, he may well be able to handle it (and himself) for a few months.

All true, but this is a better line-up than we have had in 20 years.  Feels a hell of a lot more like Guns N' Roses than anything I've seen in decades.

NO he will not. In his mind he will always resent Frank for" stealing" his rightful spot. Think of Viserys on Game of Thrones. When I was dragged to an Adler's appetite show in Washington state I could see that HE LIVES to be on stage reliving his glory days. Rick Stitch was a great front man, made the performance bearable. This is not about money for Steven. It is about wanting to be adulated.

matt is kinda like a machine. tight, but without any earthy n' funky feel (just listen to the "paradise city"-performance at the fm-tribute). afd has a lot of funky vibes to it & steven made that work when he was in gnr. i think brain added that - at least rudimentarily - to the mix as well. frank has a cool laid-back-feel and is pretty bonham-badass. i think he will fit perfectly (again). at the same time: adler doin 2, 3 tracks is just fine with me.

I also think those shows set expectations for the shows that follow.  So what you put on stage, there, is very close to what you want to have on tour.  You can sneak in "special guests" for Coachella, and call them that...but if you play the AFD 5 start to finish in both those shows.....that better be what you plan to put on stage in stadiums/arenas/whatever across North America this summer. Because if it's not, THEN you'll get grumbling.

Well, that's absolutely true.

But if there is some other internal motivation for doing that....other than just pure paparazzi type hatred....see my post above.

Matt's not been shy about talking to people who shove a mic in his face, before...though I agree, this situation might have been slightly different.  I think the initial question implied "Why should this be different than before".

You guys are all confused.

LongGone IS Adler.  That's his HTGTH account.

FYI...as if I need to caveat: I'm joking, here...

I THINK his point is that he doesn't care that Steven Adler has had a never ending drug problem or sued the band 25 years ago....

Some posters hold that stuff agaisnt him like hes the devil reincarnated...

I'd like to see him get his wish... would be fun for a few songs. He is certainly a capable drummer.

And the news that Izzy might be working with them on new material I think greases even more wheels.

Because it shows he was likely offered a role, but would much rather be a creative contributor vs a full touring member.  

And, as an aside, I would be completely awesomely cool with that setup.

His wish being granted would open up an even bigger addiction problem. The high he would feel from being on stage with GNR would be stronger than crack cocaine. He will want more and more, a guest spot will never truly appease him.

So, even though Steven doped himself retarded over the past 25 years and can only play 50% of the tunes people want to hear, because his photo is on the back of Appetite, some simply will not be satisfied until he is full time behind the kit. Yes?

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

And he is one of those people. :hihi:

Honestly, one of my biggest concerns is Adlers health in all this.  I'm not convinced the guy could do, even if he stayed sober, a full set for a full North American tour...and (you'd think) a world tour following, and stay upright.

They guy had a stroke.  He has other ongoing health issues, which he's talked about, himself, related to his previous addiction/drug use.

Putting the guy on stage for 2 hours+ a night, over and over and over and over again? Yeah, I'm worried.

AND, on a similar note...I wonder if his health issues would cause issues getting the tour insured.

Look..every time his name comes up... you go bonkers on him... we all understand you despise the guy.

A lot of GNR fans would like to see him play GNR songs with Axl Slash and Duff... that's not a bad thing. His personal issues are his personal issues.

I want Adler involved but this is a huge undertaking and if these guys want to do it right and make sure it goes off smooth...obviously they may have concerns that Adler would implode in one way or another either himself or the tour.
I'm trying to picture having a family member who had a drug problem... you want to help them when able, but you don't necessarily want them standing on stage with your kid when he graduates.
And Adler is a family member who bottomed out and sued these guys for a million already

We'll see..but I for one couldn't blame them for excluding him

I agree with all of this. Matt would be my guy... but I understand that Axl is loyal to the guys who haven't jumped ship... that spot is full.

Sprinkle in Steven for some Appetite songs once in a while... I think that would be ideal.

I will neither confirm nor deny that I am/not Steven Adler.
I do however vote for me/him.

Slash and Duff have also been involved in lawsuit against Axl. Look I?m not saying Adler is risk free nor that the guy should perform in every show. But I think it would be cool to see the guy as a guest from time to time on a few AFD songs

Then will you admit that you will never be truly happy with just a few guest spots?

You would have to shout it from the Toppest Mountain to convince me :D

You have had far too many good posts with rational thoughts over the years to have been Steven Adler this whole time.  However, it is possible that Steven hacked this account a few weeks back when the Coachella news broke , that's when things started to get weird.   :hihi:

"I bet you ::inaudible:: twenty five fuckin ::inaudible:: it'll be that PIECE OF SHIT Matt Sorum..."

All eyes on Axl and Slash either way....the rest is a sideshow for the masses. Tis true....that Coachella crowd won't give two shits about who the entire rhythm section is.

Yep.  One of my goto thoughts about that guy.

And that's talking about "his brother" Slash.

Why is this thread some in depth about this?

He's the original drummer, and had some major issues. I'm just saying that at least let the dude plays some full shows or songs at every show. It's not like hes a bad drummer and couldn't do it.

He wants this more than any of them for sure. If he's not involved in a part time way at least, then that's seriously fucked up.

I'm cool with Frank Ferrer doing drums. Or even Matt Sorum I guess, but Steven Adler is a good dude that just got so fucked up in it all man. He had some alchohol issues as recent as 2 years ago or so. Since then... for all we know he's doing well.

I would feel fairly uneasy about him getting the full time drummer gig for a tour yes. I'm saying maybe give him a shot at it, and have Ferrer or Sorum on standby. What is more likely is that Ferrer is the drummer, and that's fine, then Adler/Sorum get to play a couple shows or something. People tend to discount Adler and his contributions.

Some of us just feel that his contributions were overrated. It is totally up to the band to decide if they want him involved. I just think it will cause them headaches no matter what they do.

I don't think they are overrated at all, he was a big piece of that first album. Most drummers would agree the groove of the backbone of that album is magical... My issue is essentially every day since he was removed from the band. It's similar in sports to Pete Rose... he has been given the chance to prove himself over time and he continues to fall on his face. Pete gambles to this day and while we haven't heard anything recently Steven has proven (even on an addiction reality show) that he really struggles with his demons. Also he can't keep his mouth shut...

With that said, from 1985-1988/89 he was great.

I'd just want to see the AFD band play together one more time.  I'd like some closure.  I wish it could have been done at the HOF.
If this band is just getting back together, doing a cash grab of the old hits on a world tour, and not making new music then no Adler, or Izzy is a bit of a let down. 
If its just another jaunt around the world playing the same songs then why not make it a full reunion?

If this new version of the band Some new/Some old make an album together then it's another story. 

That would be a huge let down anyways.

The issue here is that the last major public appearance from Adler was on the HOF gig, and he was absolutely perfect there. But that was a fluke, that's not representative of what he is. That is why he doing the encores would be great, if we could have that Steven for 20 minutes every night.

My issue with Steven is that as well as being mouthy his addictive personality is a huge risk.  Mr Brownstone sums it up perfectly

I used ta do a little
but a little wouldn't do
So the little got more and more
I just keep tryin'
ta get a little better
Said a little better than before
I used ta do a little
but a little wouldn't do
So the little got more and more
I just keep tryin'
ta get a little better
Said a little better than before

\so you can see that if he did 1 song per show he'd want to do 2 and so on, then if he did a whole show he'd be bummed at not do this song or that song. I'm fearful of not being able to contain the Genie once its out of the lamp.

Steven doing Izzy-type appearances seems like the way to go if he's included.

Axl said so himself a couple years back, for a full, committed tour he only though Slash and Duff would be reliable enough.

Exactly.  Stevie is addicted to attention even more than drugs and alcohol.  Why else would he go on a celebrity rehab show.  He is only keeping quiet right now cuz he is so desperate to be included.  If he is not included he will bitch.  If he is included he will want more and more for the spotlight to be on him.  The band is in a no win situation with a narcissist like him.

I saw and met Steven (well to say I met Steven is a stretch. I met a bunch of cocaine wrapped in flesh that vaguely resembled him) on the UK Adler's Appetite tour a few years back where he'd failed to pay his band, was drugged up and in the end hired a Guns tribute band to be his group when everyone else understandably bailed. And I'm pretty sure they didn't end up getting paid either.

Is that the element you want to bring into your multimillion dollar shows on which everything hinges?

Though on the other hand, just for balance, I'll present to you a comprehensive list of all the onstage and offstage fuck ups Frank Ferrer has been responsible for during his tenure with the band :














That was easy. Who would you go with?

Was that your opinion on the past few years?  Which has been the exact same thing?

At least now we have a few more people that actually made the music.

Seems to me that so long as you were OK with the last 3 or so tours, you should be OK with this.

Cash grab.  :hihi:

Why are bands touring? To lose money?




/jarmo

Gee, if only this band had an opinionated frontman that owned the name of the band and could put his foot down and require a take it or leave it deal for Steven (e.g., you play X amount of shows and/or X amount of songs).  And if only there were other drummers out there that could step in at a moment?s notice.  Then, all of this could be controlled for. 

We get it.  You don?t like Steven.  Doesn?t mean he shouldn?t get the chance to play, the extent to which could pretty easily be defined by Axl.

Hahahaha

Yeah, that taunt never made any sense to me. 

Bands tour to make money.  That's pretty much the job.

People download the music for free. Or listen on Spotify (often the best case scenario).
Then complain that the bands tour to make money.... 

 :-\


/jarmo

Nothing Axl did for Steven in the past was good enough.  Nothing he and the band will do now or in the future will be good enough.  Just my .02. If there is any weak link in this reunion it will be his involvement.   
He is a bottomless pit . Think of Frank Gallagher in SHAMELESS

I think a lot of people saying ''Cash Grab'' mostly mean "I hope they don't do it JUST for the money''.

I think Slash and Axl live is cool and all, but Im hoping this means new music.

Its not I don't like Steven, its just I like GnfR's a lot more. TBH if Adler gets to play AFD material then I trust that the band have done their due diligence on him and there will be something kind of magic there, but it won't make me any less  nervous for the future of GnR. I'd take a safe punt over a romantic notion any day though...

Before I say anything else, it's obviously nice that there's interest in new music from GN'R.

But this regrouping, it's something some hoped for, for years and years. Now that it's happened, that alone isn't enough anymore? I mean, we don't know what their plans are, will they record anything together? Who knows. All we do know is that they have shows scheduled. Why not just enjoy that for a moment instead of starting this talking about how great it would be if they did other things as well....

Sorry if that offends anyone.
But if you win the jackpot on the lottery, do you start imagining how great it would've been to win even more?




/jarmo

Exactly.  I get the nostalgia.  I really do.  I just think based on history any kindness that the band showed to Stevie only bit them in the ass.  If they want to include him for a few songs that is their choice and I will respect it.  But I will probably take a bathroom break during his performance. 

Im sure Matt is out,thats what he cant speak,because the others ( duff & slash) have told him to not say anything that could be dangerous for the reunion.And he is out because Axl wants one drummer Frank Ferrer and he is studying to get Adler,becuase he deserves it at least for a few songs.

Hey Jarmo i couldn't agree with you more its like an addict, you feed them a little of their addiction and then they want more.

Couldn't agree more. I am just so ecstatic this is happening...whatever happens in the future between this renewed partnership...all gravy.

Well, Im just speaking for myself, but Ive been waiting for new music, long before Slash rejoined  :hihi:
Im not one of those reunionists  who have been waiting for 20 years for Slash to come back.
So he came back?.. woohoo !, can I Have new music pleasE?  :hihi:
Other people fear this ''cash grab'' not because they would be doing it for the money, but rather because if they do it for the money, it means they are not doing it for the music, because
"for the money", probably means fake, or short-lived. And that is not what we want.

But I do see what you mean, lets enjoy what we have and hope for the best.

I think people are just expressing what they hope will happen?because right now it?s unknown.  If Axl and Slash came out and said, ?we?re reuniting to tour and have no plans or intentions on creating or releasing new music? AND then people complained, I get your point.

But right now, everything is unknown.  Christ, we don?t even have official confirmation on the rest of the makeup of the band!  :hihi: While it?s unknown, where?s the harm in saying what you hope will happen?  It?s the same as saying you hope they tour more than Coachella, right?  Or should we all (for now) just be happy that we?re getting Coachella?

I think that is what we says we should do. Live in the moment !  ;D Buddha stylee !

I think there's a difference between hoping for more shows after a band has announced shows, compared to hoping for new songs....
In my opinion, those two aren't the same.

Now, if it was the other way around. That the news were about them recording together with no shows announced. Then the same would be true for hoping for shows.  : ok:




/jarmo

All of the drummers bring a certain style that I enjoy. I've enjoyed Frank's drumming when I've seen him live on recent tours. Can I vote someone else in? How about Orestes Morfin? ha!

x

 :confused:  Now Im confused. hahha
So in your eyes. IF you're told music is being recording and you hope more songs are being recorded, that is ok. But hoping for shows as well is not ok ?
ANd the other way around, if shows are being announced and you hope more shows will be announced that is ok. But hoping for recordings isnt ?

I don't see the logic in that, its still wanting more than you're being told.

I'd be ok if you told me to just be content with what we are given and not get your hopes up about anything in order to remain positive. For example, We have coachella. Don't hope for anything else, just enjoy it ! because if we don't have anything else you'll complain !
That would be ok.. in an ideal world?.

 in the contrary Im also ok with  people having all kinds of wishes for the band, from setlists, to hair/beard styles to songs and wardrobe. 

Shows announced: Wishing more shows makes more sense than to wish for something that isn't related to shows.
It's all about shows. It makes sense in a way.

It's like you're invited to a barbecue, and you expect soup. You don't necessarily think soup will be served because it's a barbecue!  :hihi:


What I meant was that if they had announced that this regrouping is for studio work only, then I'd say the same thing.



/jarmo

I think it's okay to be cautiously optimistic about the Axl/Slash/Duff trio making new music together soon.  Especially when you consider that Axl has an album that's more or less ready to go.  Why not let them make there mark on some of the tracks, especially when you consider the fact that it would likely increase sales of the album tenfold. Axl's no dummy. He knows that, especially after Coachella sold out in an hour.

No problem with being optimistic. Just saying that we know what we got, and we don't know what else we might get.




/jarmo

I don't think anyone takes offense at that mindset.

But a number of us do express puzzlement over your apparent fear and distrust over simple conversation.  You are always in such a hurry to shut shit down, tell people that certain conversations should not be had.  It's odd.

The reality is that these shows aren't for 90 days.  What the hell are we supposed to in the meantime?  Sit on our hands?

People are just throwing out theories and discussing what is an exciting time for the fanbase, the most exciting time in some time, frankly.  No harm is meant by any of it.

I agree that people hinging their satisfaction or happiness as a fan on new music are almost as bad as the "Adler on drums or it's all bullshit" people.  The Axl/Slash reunion no one thought would happen is happening....That's enough for now.  Anything more is just a massive bonus.

Yeah, I do love a good "what if" scenario.  I'll tell ya, if GNR drops a new album with Slash and Duff on it AND tours, how is this not the best year for GNR fans since 1991?  It'd almost be too much...Almost.  :hihi:

Uhm, I think that depends on the person you ask. New music isnt related to new shows in your opinion. For me it makes perfect sense.

Also in latinamerica, A barbecue very often has tortillas and bean dip and tomato salad. Maybe a GNR fan in Kathmandu like their Yak barbecue with a soup !
 :hihi:

Also, the Black Sabbath "reunion" had a new album 13 along with reunion concerts.

The guessing game to me is part of the fun. They keep me on my toes. I like that.  :rofl:

My guess... Steven is not part of it. Why? Loose cannon. No way he will keep sober. Not gonna happen.

He says: I've been sober 20 months or whatever. That's not fucking sober. That's step 1. Duff's been sober over 20 years. That's fucking sober. You can't count on a junkie. This reunion basically needs to go off without a hitch. The piranhas are chomping and just waiting.

Oh yeah and cash grab? Of course it's a cash grab. Just like anything it's a BUSINESS. They aren't giving away tickets and albums. It's not volunteer work.

Whatever the reason is, it's their choice to make. I don't think it's important to know what the reason is. I don't think the band is going to have sleepovers and talk about video games or play with GI Joes. They grown men with responsibilities. Do you have a favorite TV Show/sitcom? I guarantee the majority of the actors and producers hate each other or hate certain cast members. Who the hell cares if it's a cash grab.

Yeah, that's all they are.  Just theories and "what if" scenarios.  Throwing out possibilities and possible pros and cons.

And yeah, if that were to somehow happen, its absolutely the best time to be a GNR fan since 1991/92.

Its sad to see people say Steven would screw it all up.  He would put the tour in jeopardy!  Gasp!

It's so safe these days.  Damn. Remember when this used to be the most dangerous band in rock n roll?
That's half the fun!  Sure Steven could mess up.  So could Axl and Slash.  They could piss each other off.  
There are always other drummers.  Steven wouldnt be alone anyways.  Will he pop up?  Will Izzy?

Let's have a little fun!  

Those days are gone. It was fun before they started selling GNR christmas sweaters and video game likenesses of themselves. Not judging, but they are also not 20 anymore. They are in their 50s and are in the R&R Hall of Fame. Just saying they're not the street urchins living in a one bedroom apartment anymore.

If that's the case, seems like a number of you aren't exactly experts on what I think.
Ironic that you'd object. I'm just pointing out what's reality versus fantasy (as it is at this moment).

Besides, haven't you managed to fill the time between June 2014 and last week quite well.... Without shows to look forward to.
I assumed with shows to look forward to, some things might've changed. :)



/jarmo

At this level, music is a business.  A band like this, is big business.

And this particular tour is probably a hell of a lot more about dollars and cents than any tour before it.

Approached from a business angle, Steven is simply a bad bet.  That's also on Steven.  His baggage is not some urban legend.  It's real world.

It might not be how you think, but its how your actions come across.  That's all.

Totally get you wanting to control certain content.  Like keeping out "fat Axl" memes or a bunch of threads about how the past 15 years were "fake GNR".

But have you ever really contemplated what percentage of your posts are of the "tsk, tsk" variety?  (SPOILER ALERT : I have...it's high)

What's it really getting you?

Steven WILL screw things up. It's not a matter of being dangerous.  He has always been a selfish person who craves attention and has never seriously taken any accountability for any of his actions.  He will not let go of his glory days.  He is nowhere near Axl in terms of star power or charisma.

For me personally it's not an expectation, it's a nice to have. All things considered when GnR started playing shows in 2001 I don't think anyone 'expected' to get the volume of new songs that we got from the outset.  So while I'm not holding my breath, it would be interesting to see if the studio and rehearsal time leads to a new track that gets debuted... after all 7 years went by after the introduction of CD, SOD, Maddy, and Riad before were heard them on an official release... and Silkworms still hasn't seen the light of day. so they were pretty raw and sort of worked out in front of us.

At the end of the day I am just happy to see (hopefully in person) Axl, Slash, and Duff together on stage. They could play 4 songs from Lies and walk off and I'd be grinning from ear to ear for a week... Whatever we get is great, and any surprises are just gravy.

just get the original lineup together, give em a load of coke & heroin & let em PARTY! Thats how GnR started, & continued for many years & thats what I wanna see now.

I dont wanna see a bunch of studio/session musicians who play perfectly & kiss Axl's arse. Punk spirit is what GnR was built on....BRING IT BACK! ;)

Not really about control.
If it was about control, I could always just remove the posts. : ok:

At the end of the day, people will always want something else. Not meany as an insult or anything, just an observation. You say you want an album, the album comes out, so you want a tour, tour starts, so you want a new album.... And now we got shows to look forward to, and we're talking about songs/an album. I know, we were talking about the album before there were shows.... :)





But have you ever really contemplated what percentage of your posts are about me?  (SPOILER ALERT : It's high)



Let me ask you this, how old are you?





/jarmo

  Good to see this is on topic  ;) Not a  fan of Steven then.... :-*

Great drumming on the first two GN'R albums.  : ok:




/jarmo

Most dangerous band in the world, eh?  It's all fun and games until somebody loses a pancreas.

Old enough Jarmo!  : ok:

Obviously suggesting drugs as some kind of sick joke to people who've almost killed themselves due to addiction problems doesn't seem like the smartest thing to post.

Especially when it's been a little over a month since a few of those people lost a former band mate.



/jarmo

What a fucking idiotic thing to say. It's not often I get annoyed with forum posts- but this goon (if he isn't trolling) deserves it. You WANT to see people taking coke and heroin?! I assume you've not read duff or slash's books,  (I assume you've probably never read a book actually) because if you had you might realise how stupid that comment is.
I also assume you've never had contact with anyone in the real world who has let their life slide into hell through contact with these things- if you did you wouldn't be posting such things on a forum.
I'm sure you'll hide behind a computer screen and anonymity, making ignorant comments like this. Do us all a favour and grow up, get some experience of the real world, and keep your ignorance to yourself.

Yeah I agree. We are actually pretty lucky that Steven/Duff/Slash are still alive as they all had some pretty serious close calls with death.

Drugs in this band isn't something of the current. It's long ago.

It was a joke, I dont wanna see them fukked up on anything! Take it easy....

not only have I read Slash's book, I've also read many other books  :P & I've also seen alot of shit that you prob wouldn't believe.

All i wanna see is the guys playing together again...nice  :hihi:

Exactly.  Well said.

And in the context of Steven... did his drug problems not trigger a stroke some years back, leaving him permanently unable to speak properly?  Some people need to get a grip.

Not funny- really bad decision on your part to make such a statement.

Yes, he had a stroke and it affects his speech- he is lucky to be alive IMO. Hope he is past all that now.

In The Case I Prefer STEVEN

interesting. i was anticipating new music above all, and to see the prospect "seemingly" cast aside in favor of the shows is a little disheartening to me, but at the same time, who knows what will happen. ive kind of decided to stay out of the way a bit and let people enjoy their time in the sun. and the shows will be fun to watch on youtube when they come around, or if they come to japan while im here, im there! so its all good. i think there will be a time for new music too, eventually.