Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Coachella has sold out, and we haven't heard any news about a tour. I was wondering if it was still logistically possible for them to tour this year? Obviously a big tour takes a large amount of planning, and a full crew of experts. I would imagine that most good crews will already be hired for the various big tours that are occurring throughout the summer and the rest of the year.

Is it possible for all this to be planned and worked out still? Obviously plans could be well underway and we haven't heard anything, but we've heard nothing solid in terms of dates or venues- and if crews were being lined up, venues penciled in, usually some of that leaks out.

If they're waiting to see how Coachella goes, I'd suggest any possible touring would have to be in 2017. What do others think?

They will Tour! On the flip side it takes so much work to bring everything together for just 2 shows.

The tweets etc have all been along the lines of "2016 is gonna be a great year".

The Rumours have been spot on so far. Soon is the word...

I think that is the game plan...

Quite simply, yes.  Likely because, if there's a tour coming, the planning stuff is already mostly complete.

They could easily announce in the next 30 days or so, and be on the road by June or July.

Not to mention, if Billboards sources are to be trusted, an announcement for that summer stadium tour should be fairly soon. Obviously, nothing is real until it's real, but there's good reason to be hopeful for a tour.

I agree with pilferk and sofine11.

If their intention was to tour this summer, they didn't start thinking about it yesterday. 

And its not even something you can say there is no proof of, because its not something that would happen out in the open.  If they are contacting venues to hold dates for them as they put together a full schedule, its not like that venue then blabs that all over.

Having said that, I would not be totally shocked if all parties were waiting to see how Coachella goes.  If that were the case, it might knock out a summer stadium tour, but perhaps a fall/winter arena tour would then be the plan.

Would they really go thru all of this trouble to then go their separate ways after one festival?

Axl has to know there's no going back to guitar player X after this...

It would be stunning to me if they don't tour this summer... with that said.. I will sleep a little easier once I have my tickets in hand.  :)

There is also too much cash out there to be made to not do it big.

I would imagine that negotiations are in place.  Bands tend to use events like Coachella as a launch point for records and tours.  It creates massive social media as well as mainstream media buzz.  I would think second only to the super bowl halftime show (in the u.s anyway).  I would think that a tour would go onsale right after coachella.  Minimum runup time for a big stadium show is around 6- 8 weeks.  So that would make sense as far as timing is concerned.  Public onsale 4/29/2016 would be fine for shows going late june thru september.  

This is nothing more than speculation!  Just how it might play out.

But its not just the band that would want to wait and see.  So might promoters with a few questions about the elephant in the room, Axl's behavior.

Let's make you prospective promoter for a summer tour.  A big ticket, high profile summer tour.  The first night of Coachella, people start tweeting out that a half hour before they are scheduled to go on, Axl is not even at the venue yet because he insisted on being choppered in or some shit.

That wouldn't make you a bit wary?  

Everything is pointing in the direction of a pretty big tour starting this year and possibly going for a long time..  Different legs, etc...

I honestly do not think anyone Is waiting to see how the festival goes....   Axls track record for the past few years has been great.  The guy has done close to 300 shows in the past 10 years.   Some in some very crapy conditions.  Both health and weather.   What that tells me, is that if he signs up for a show, he does the show.

Yep. There could very well be tentative plans in place for this summer, but it all could be on a "wait and see" basis. I will say that Coachella selling out as fast as it did and the media craze all bode very well for a full tour.

From a PR perspective yeah, for sure, from a financial perspective not really.  The contracts would be written that if the show gets cancelled they wouldn't pay.  So the only thing the venues would have to lose would be the value of the building for that day.  These venues arent booked all that much for summertime so i don't see it being a huge risk to the ownership groups.  If i was the promoter I'd be worried about laying out the money up front for advertising sponsorships and what not but the upside is huge and there are not that many opportunities to make that kind of money in the concert biz so I'd imagine someone would step up and take the shot.

I just really don't know about football stadiums in the US. This isn't 1991.  I don't know if rock is dead but it's not nearly as dominant as is as then. Country is what's selling out football stadiums. I could maybe see baseball stadiums but again if it's in summer that won't work.

No...

and I think you're really reaching on this one...

What has there been to wary about in regards to Axl's behavior over the past few years? 

If I am a promoter... I'm trying to push this as much as possible....I'm willing to spend big bucks to see this.. and I'm quite sure some others are too...

Yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this "bad behavior" is basically a rock urban legend at this point. This isn't 1992, or hell 2002.  Really, since 2006 Axl's had his shit together in a big way and almost always delivers a dynamite performance. I think promoters are keen to this, and it's mainly talk-backers who don't really know what they're talking about who keep fanning those flames.

And putting things in perspective, does Axl do something that he swore up and down he'd never do, and mend those fences against all odds and risks....Just to do one festival?  Hell to the no he wouldn't. This is going to be BIG.  It's just a question of when things fall into place and get announced.

I actually think Axl is going to do the right thing by everybody as to not fuck this up.

In fact, given the statements by Slash in the past about why he stopped performing with Axl, I imagine there is something in writing that will stipulate penalties for Axl if he does any of that stuff, so I don't think he will.

Been curious about this as well, if Axl accepted certain conditions from Slash.  Listen, Axl has been pretty good with getting on stage on time so I don't see why there would be a problem.  I'm sure Slash also looked at his more recent track history and was satisfied. 

There's got to be a certain amount of apprehension about Axl's behaviour (late starts, walk-offs etc) but I don't think that would stop promoters making offers. It's not that bad really.

If a crew is in place for a tour, that runs to hundreds and hundreds of people. I'm surprised we haven't had a solid leak on dates/venues. I'd go for any tour being winter or 2017, personally.

All well and good, but I'd still want it in writing, if I am them.

If Axl truly feels he will not have a problem meeting those requirements, signing his name on the dotted line should not be an undue hardship. 

And I think it best for the piece of mind of all involved.

There has been absolutley no problem with Axl's bevaviour at all . Sheesh. He doesn't have to sign anything about conditions.
Really happy to be a Night train member cuz I am sure they will do some VIP packaages for Chicago.

I don't know.  Maybe they talked about it, but I don't see Slash having it put in writing.  I know he's not wrong in his feelings, but it still seems kind of insulting giving Axl a claus to sign regarding his tardiness. I have a feeling once Axl & Slash were on speaking terms, it was just one of those things where Slash said "fuck it" and signed on regardless of his concerns.

I got to believe they didn't go through all this just to do one festival.  Maybe they're waiting (contractually or otherwise) for a sufficient amount of time after the Coachella announcement to give the details on the rest of the tour, so that Coachella can bask in the light for a bit as the exclusive venue of Guns n Roses. 

2016 is shaping up to be a good year.  My New Year's resolution is to hit multiple shows!  :beer:

I hope there is a tour, maybe this time in Hell & Heaven Metal Fest 2016 (july) on Mexico City, why not ?  :love:

Rammstein on Hell Stage and still no headliner for Heaven Stage  ;D

 :peace:

They aren't a metal band, but if that gets them to Mexico so you and other fans of that country can see them, why not.

Well in South europe we have promoter for (Serbia,Croatia,Slovenia,Makedonia,Hungary,Greeece) and yasterday thay put Guns n Roses tour on list....Here is the link https://m.facebook.com/svikoncerti.eu/

I'm sute they will touring...They didn't wait 23 yeaes for two shows...And I'm apsolutelly sure they can fill stadiums in USA

I honestly think its only going to be a small tour of about 20 25 shows and that will be it...why do people saw Axl can never go back to the other players. Why not...Slash has time booked in the studio later this year so his conspirator bandmate said, yes plans can change but keep an open mind people and be Happy your seeing Axl and Slash on the same stage again :beer:   Something I thought id never see again  :peace:

Nope.  Or, rather, not until up to that very point.

In other words, I'd sign the contracts, dot the i's and cross the t's on the tour, as a promoter, long before Coachella.

Because for at least the past 5 years or so, and maybe even longer than that....Axl's been pretty dependable.  And unlike "fans", who might not really be paying attention to what's actually happened recently (or don't really care and keep perpetuating the "Axl's late/no shows/is not a good risk" anyway), promoters absolutely will. ESPECIALLY if there's the potential for a pretty big pay day.

Now, if that first performance gets sidetracked somehow...THEN, maybe, you're concerned.  But you're not waiting UNITL then, just to get "more" assurances, IMHO.  Those assurances were made by observing the past 5+ years or so....one more show isn't going to be any more compelling.

It would be hard.  It would be a huge, huge comedown.

People put up with the randos when it seemed the originals were out of the question.  I'm not sure how you could go back to that once you see that that you can work with the originals.

Can it be done?  I suppose.  But only in the "up close and personal" context.

It would be a nightmare to try to enforce, if it was enforceable at all.  Trust me when I tell you, the venues have a hard enough time trying to enforce curfew fines....it's almost impossible to do.

All Axl would have to do would be to "prove" it wasn't his intention to go on late, and there were some circumstances beyond his control that caused it....or to prove that doing so would have effected his personal health and safety....or to prove that doing so would have caused some sort of significant hardship/financial penalty/legal penalty.

There's so much wiggle room, it would be almost worthless.

Topic: Is it still possible for the band to tour this year?

Now why is this suddenly about Axl's so called behavior?
Same as the thread about whether or not the band can tour stadiums. Suddenly every thread about a possible future tour is turned into the same "Axl's reputation/behavior" thread by a certain group of fans. Wonder why?

Next thread that they try to ruin it, I'll just simply delete their posts. I'm not interested in having the same discssion with the same person over and over again just because he finds it so interesting.
Move on, or get out.

Don't say you weren't warned. Yes, your positivity is astounding.
It's obvious you're very excited about this regrouping. Not!*


* Spoken as Borat.


So I hope you're done with that particular discussion.  : ok:




/jarmo

I don't even get the point of the original subject. It's bloody January! Of course it's still possible.

I would think it more for the other guys.

They all said they wound up costing themselves money with fines and crew OT and whatnot on the UYI tour.

If I were them, I would want some sort of understanding that if those things are incurred because of his nonsense, he pays.

Of course, knowing him, he might just say fine, no problem.  I remember when Derrick Coleman was on the Nets and they talked of enforcing a dress code, punishable by fine if not followed.  He gave the front office a blank check and told them to just fill it in at season's end.  I don't even know if that story is true, but its awesome.

Well, they sell tickets a few months ahead of time, usually.

I think this becomes more of a thing if we still don't have word by spring.  At least rumors, anyway.

Do whatever you want.  Its your show.

Yes, sometimes 6-12 months in advance from some tours.

But a tour can also be announced and with short notice be on sale. Meaning, there might not always be a lot of advance warning.





/jarmo

The more advance you can get away with, the better, because you can make money on the money.

There seems to be quite a lot of rumblings in the European festival market- which is a big business. But I guess that would mean a US tour in the summer would not be likely.

I wouldn't read too much into that part. Everyone says that. Every year. "2014's gonna be great", "2015 will be the best year ever" and so on. From musicians, to athletes to your facebook freinds. A year can be great in many ways and everything in these guys lives doesnt revolve around GNR.